Explosive Rat Technology (Hunt: Showdown)

[@davidlindsay6450]

This is honestly the most shameful thing I have ever seen and I love it

[@diacanthusreef3609]

This is what I imagine Hunt with prone would be like all the time

[@6ch6ris6]

yup. there is a reason the devs never implemented proning. they mostly make the right choices. except for dual weilding and self revive. those two things should have never come to Hunt.

[@thedrunkzaku]

​@@6ch6ris6 why cause you die to it?

[@justabasicsage]

@@6ch6ris6 And Avtomat

[@HelllNawh]

​@@thedrunkzaku because this isn't how the devs intended on people using this. There should be a timer and if you don't revive yourself in 3-5mins then you die. It wouldn't give you the opportunity just wait forever until the people who killed you leave and it wouldn't give the opportunity to sit around till the end of the match not playing the game.

[@andrewjustice4810]

@@HelllNawhimagine being pissy one guy can kill 3 in hunt

[@curiaregis9479]

As a fellow rat I applaud your ingenuity.

[@vanakis]

This is despicable, I love it But in case I get destroyed by this strategy one day, I hate it

[@maxaazerty]

That's another level of gameplay, you should be 7 stars for this 😂

[@TomaNeagu]

10 stars queue

[@korniliansalt8578]

I genualy started checking boss houses for dead hunters after your previous one.. Now its skarier... Nice vid)

[@xXMILOXx1192]

Once I went inside a Boss House filled with traps and placed stuff, but It was empty. That was strange, but my friend asumed that was because the other boss was started to vanished close enough to made the unknown rush & fight the other one. I was crazy checking for a fake-corpse self killed at some random wall all time. Thanks this guy.

[@NotSimo]

This is the best thing I've ever seen Oh man that guy who lost a Mosin and a Dolch to this, jeeeeeez

[@danedewberry]

There is literally no difficulty to counterplaying this once you know about it. Just begin the group extract and have everyone split off with only one person actually staying on it. If you're any sort of group, you're guaranteed a fight even if they successfully bomb the person on the cart. Even if you're solo and get completely caught off guard on extract, you can hear the person get up and cook the fuse super clearly since you won't confuse it for the sounds of your teammates. No need to remove or nerf it at all IMO.

[@BosSoxFan15]

Or just don’t go to the obvious extract

[@Semmelein]

Agreed. Doesn't need a change.

[@EpicBigWhale]

No this is a valid strat!! But a fair counter would be make necro bodies have a faint glow in dark sight with the trophy. So when they scan they can see a faint glow thus they can light you up with a fire bomb or something. also they always huddle together, they need to not do that.

[@sayler1]

This is a much better idea than what I suggested! Good thinking

[@pomixamona]

I agree to a degree with this fix, but then knowing someone has necro kills a.lot of the suspense during fighting or after of 'were they solo? A duo? A trio? Maybe theres someone still.sneaking around...' that suspense is a core thing of the fights. So me and a friend also came up with something similar, but for dead player bodies. That way we dont know which one does have necro and keeps a suspense. And also further rewards frugal, skillful use of dark sight with bounties.

[@ace_falken5362]

Interesting idea, although this might hinder solo players by outing them if they die normally in a fight. But it would only be against hunters with the bounty token. My only idea right now would to be to add some sort of time limit to self revive,for example: after 15-30 seconds you start to lose hearing range, eventually reducing down to something like 3 meters. You know if someone is literally on top of you but can't reliably camp for long periods of time while downed. Maybe a time aspect could be added to your idea, as well, so you can detect players that downed themselves where the glow those players would have gets fainter or has a shorter detection range over time.

[@coen1014]

What about a trait that reveals corpses in dark sight

[@UwUOnDatBeat1101]

I think a trait that reveals dead bodies in dark sight would be interesting for this and other uses.

[@TomBomba]

This is completely fair, you only need one person on the extract, that is the counterplay.

[@AMOX5150]

You have changed my play style completely and reinvigorated my love this game. Thank you.

[@Ramiroocampo]

Am I the only one wondering what would have happened in the last clip if you had wiped the trio and then just gone back to your bear trap, waiting for the other trio to come and loot the bodies?

[@sepronlayden5189]

the bounty token would have given him away because it'd be right on his dead body

[@Ramiroocampo]

@@sepronlayden5189 lol, obviously NOT taking that

[@Corax-Rabe]

Exactly what I expeted to happen. ^^

[@friendlyplayer92]

Haha that wouldve been epicc. He even had another dynamite

[@Altis_play]

it is possible to smoke the area and split i'll do that now !

[@leeham6230]

The devs should do NOTHING to stop creative, fun gameplay like this. This is what makes videogames great.

[@lexbotkin3100]

You say that now, but ppl might seriously abuse this eventually. We'll see.

[@Bayseek]

It's only fun for 1 person. They should definetly do something about that.

[@NekoColaQ]

@@Bayseek Dying to a rat of this caliber is frustrating, but ultimately admirable. Don't lie to yourself

[@bobsaget8791]

honestly

[@pyrotechnika308]

I did this 5x just now and trio wiped them 5 out of 5 times. Its actually busted and I want it fixed. Easiest 10k hunt dollars I've ever made. I did the same thing just with a spectre compact and once with explo crossbow. You can also set up traps in places around extract too since you have tons of time.

[@treschlet]

I feel like the counter to this is to just be vigilant, and never group up too tight. there's plenty of room around an extract to avoid death by a big bundle

[@pacifist3651]

nerf it by giving vulture the ability to see corpses in darksight. problem solved.

[@EpicBigWhale]

I like this idea.

[@4nlimited3dition_4n3d]

Yes. This has been on the wishlist for a long time. Even before self revive. Seems like a perfect addition to the trait.

[@charliemitchell7476]

better yet, have only people with necro able to see corpses in dark sight that also have necro, and everyone else can just simply see corpses.

[@Semmelein]

Horrible idea. Think about how it completely shifts the dynamic of team fight is you know that everybody else is dead. Nah. You guys underestimate how much this would shift balance in the game - and not to the better. Think about what it breaks, not only what it fixes.

[@pacifist3651]

​@@Semmelein Witness does exactly this and has been an under-picked perk for 3 events now; its use is limited to exactly the scenario u suggest and it isn't that powerful. You can achieve this same result by scanning with bounty after having a server fight. The impact on high and low mmr lobbies would be very tiny. Witness's strongest aspect is the regeneration corpses offer; the finding of corpses is just a boon. that alters gameplay very minimally.

[@animeSairon]

was waiting for this!! absolutly discusting! love it!! its good that you push the system if this will be played by many players then there will be changes to necromancer for sure and your sugestion are prety good too!

[@SirSlikVic]

This is too scary, nightmare fuel

[@Quake1402]

"congratulations, you are now a despicable rat" hahahaha I love it!! What I saw in the minute 6:28 was extremely satisfactory and also felt some shame for them.

[@owenx380]

I tried this today... was a tough extract location - the one near the lighthouse, in the water, on one of the old maps. Maybe I also misjudged where to die and self rez, but anyway: I ended up killing one guy with my weapons, and died to another. Watched their TTV, and they were SO mad about it. Apparently they reported me for "toxic behavior", and insinuated I am a "hacker", lol

[@sayler1]

Lol that's awesome. I have also gotten some very strong reactions like that. Tryhard players really hate us rats

[@flumse9218]

If you enter the extraction point only one team member needs to stay. the other two can leave, do as they please and still extract as long as the one remains. no need to change anything, just an extra thing to remember.

[@CyberGenesis1]

Been doing this for years as a team. Only takes getting caught at extract and blown up once to stop hugging each other at extract

[@dealvidit]

Dude, I hate your strats but love your videos, both with a passion lmfao!

[@davidexpertat6024]

Glad that I found your channel, I love your meme loudouts the most

[@erikderfreak]

4:20 I never thought about that you could swing with a bear trap! I mean, yeah you can swing everything, but never would that came to my mind. haha Edit: Completely deaf seems not a good Idea, since I do want to know when to revive. But the trait not working when killing yourself makes perfect sense to me.

[@ralphmalph5191]

It's absolutely fair. Never celebrate early.

[@AniNeurax]

New phobia unlocked No funny chit-chat while escaping now

[@Bash_Minimal]

I haven’t played in awhile, but does burning prevent self revive? If not it totally should

[@synkril]

It does

[@olivermichael133]

You mad mad psychopath! This is brilliant!

[@scottsille]

This man must have one of the most interesting steam comments pages 😂. As someone who hates rat strats, this is so evil it's hat tipping genius!

[@Strunzi219]

I LOVE this series, keep it coming!

[@Brooksie997]

Taking a martini henry would be even better as long ammo has a larger splash radius for explosive. Edit: I don't agree with suggesting that the devs should change a strat like this, as the player should be allowed to do what they want. And if crytek takes a stand on this playstyle (while it is very ratty/awful) they are likely to take a stand on more playstyles later down the line.

[@UrbanDefenseSystems]

Game devs have no balls or integrity and they will listen to a loud minority. You betcha they will make Hunt Showdown more and more mainstream in the hopes of attracting new players. Only for new players to find out they still rather play Call of Duty, and the devs alienating their original fanbase. Leaving a dead game. Hope I'm wrong though. I like Hunt Showdown despite the normiefication it's seen over the years.

[@jon2153]

Yeah just cheat and abuse broken mechanics. Great idea guy. They should encourage it. Like the other dork said. Keep the game old and unpolished to keep the original 1000 players and don't refine the game so it never gets me players and "never dies" 🤣 The original players seem to be trash at their own game. They have to abuse this perk and rat to get a win lol. No wonder you don't want new players loosers

[@TheCav3]

you can avoid it a kind of, if only one hunter is in the extract and the other are split up in the distance, that it will be a 2 vs 1

[@UrbanDefenseSystems]

@@OriginalSentiment Exactly my thoughts. At 5 and 6 star, we just split up into the reeds/bushes, only one person stays with the horses.

[@Meraxaform]

You really only need 1 teammate to stay in the extraction point in order to extract as a team, once you've touched base with the extraction zone, you can roam around anywhere for as long as there's 1 teammate in the zone. It's better to only have 1 or 2 people in the extraction zone anyways regardless if they're being chased, in which case there's room to flank and intercept the pursuers or if there are no more players(supposedly), you can roam around to kill ai for more xp. No reason to stay in the extract zone. In conclusion, I wouldn't say it's too unfair.

[@f.calamo6658]

I always leave the Extraction point, is much safer having only 1 there to act as bait.

[@druidjuicer636]

All cool... unless you're a player extracting with Bounty as solo, right?

[@Corax-Rabe]

If you leave the zone and die, your mates will extract without you - risky strategy.

[@Corax-Rabe]

@@dibs4943 If a teammate dets killed inside the zone, the timer stops. If he gets killed outside the zone, the timer will not stop. So if you are roaming around outside the zone and get killed a second before extraction, your teammates will extract without you (and your bounty, if you got one). You can do it (and I do it sometimes) but it might be a failure.

[@BAYqg]

You’re an artist!

[@Obstructor7]

Yea brilliant idea.

[@antarcticSnowflake]

This is pure evil. I like it

[@renplays2776]

I’ll begin spreading word to our rat kin m’lord🐀 *skitters away*

[@SlickOils]

Fiendish! 😂

[@MrReaxxionAction]

You are true genius. But from my experience team members not always stick together, sometimes someone is too far behind his team. But I guess this tactics will work in 80% of the time

[@sethIguess2002]

This is the best kind of Hunt Showdown content

[@jdigi78]

Easiest fix is just have solo necros glow in darksight regardless of whether or not they're "dead"

[@dragonmscave1598]

I like your solutions of this problem in the end, they also can add ability to see "dead" solos with bounty token in the dark sight, usually people check extraction point with it anyway.

[@reebio1151]

Someone tried this with me today. So i guess i have to be on the lookout with your videos from now on

[@A_P___]

I think there is nothing to change. When u play hunt - u have to be concentrated all the time)

[@jerlstrom]

you just need to space out when extracting a bow with frags can do the same in theory

[@AFrikaHUN]

Or another alternative for the fix is that if you are a solo, and die near the extraction, the horses and the boat should still make the sounds indicating enemies are around, until the solo clicks the return to menu button and leave the game completely. I think they can do it, since they've added a similar thing when there were pacts in the game and when death cheat was used by a lot of people, so you would know when they left the match completely, beacause their bodies would emit light and played a sound for a second when they clicked that button.

[@DarthZombie510]

Absolutely disgusting and I love it! I don't think it needs a nerf, because I think there are things your opponents could've done to prevent your strategy from working. First thing first, they were all bunched around extract. Sure, in some cases there's not much to choose from for protection, but some of them have a bunch of places where you wait for extraction, and it's wise to do regardless if you're worried about this strategy or not. In my experience, teams that cover the most ground tend to have the advantage, staying right next to your teammates doesn't bring many advantages. Second of all, they all had slow reactions despite seeing you on your feet. This is a big deal because you're missing at least a bar if not also all your health when reviving, so almost any shot would kill you and completely kill your attempts. You can make the argument that many would be shocked to see nobody on scan and suddenly hear the horses/boat blasting, but Hunt is not a game that is kind to you if you let your guard down. Third of all, they should've heard your revival. I'm not sure how well they can hear with all the noise from boat/horses + the timer switching to "blocked extraction", but I expect you can hear it if you pay attention. And last but not least, the strat relies on you keeping your nerves and not fucking up your shot. Easier said than done for most players.

[@jon2153]

To write all of that but not think of it makes any sense 🤦‍♂️ never talk out of your butt

[@TheGreatBoomy25]

Small improvements, get your first bar to ideally be a small bar if possible. Quartermaster and Packmule for the ability to not miss out out the max loot. Maybe bring some poison or concertina traps to put around the extract as well to cause further chaos.

[@王俊澤-v5d]

你真的是天才，現在我撤離前都把沒用完的窒息炸彈丟在附近草叢，讓老鼠咳嗽

[@VB-92]

Everyone else fighting to the death over a bounty, some guy on the other side of the map next to the closest exit "Time for a nap."

[@Smellslikegelfling]

I think players who are dead but haven't left the match completely should still trigger things like extract alarms, boss whispers, and clues. That way you never get a false sense of security after killing a solo with Necro. Also, solos with Necro should show up in dark sight until they completely leave the match. This is a fair tradeoff for being able to resurrect yourself at any moment and catch people by surprise after they win a gunfight.

[@highlion8998]

i dont think this is unfair tbh, over the past 3 months most of my game are just filled with rats regardless of what strat they use, most of my game there is a rat hiding 200 meters away from the extraction with a mosin spitzer. its also really unfair that this game only rewards getting the bounty and nothing else. what is fair about spending 20 minutes finding clues, killing annoying ai and running through the loud soundtraps of every compound, finding the boss, killing the boss, killing 6 players that come for your bounty, just for a team of sniping rats, that did nothing all game, to snipe you down with a hitscan weapon and they get 2000$ and you get 200$. the reward system is whats unfair about the game, if they want to avoid rats than they need to make playing the game rewarding not just extracting with a bounty. maybe if they gave you 100$ per kill and 100$ if you loot someone when you have the bounty. maybe that would make the game fair. so that you dont feel like shit for spending 1000$ on a loadout and do everything the game asks you to do just for some rat to sniper you when you are missing a bar after all these fight and get 2000$. you want to make people stop rating, than reward the people that dont instead of adding useless shit like the beetle to stop rating. reward me for getting 10 kills then dying to a rat, i woudl lose my hunter and weapons but i at least got 1000$ off of it and didnt get completely shafted. i have being a rat but when i lose all my money playing the game how it was intended, i just resort to camping extractions for easy money. even the new revive feature is useless if you dont rat/snipe because it take 10 seconds instead of 3 like in the event. which means that if you die close range they can trap you and burn you before you can even revive. but in the old event you could play aggressive and still revive before they put all their traps on you. but now this revive only benefits snipers and ratsXD. everything about this game wants you to rat and not take any risks. the only reason people take risks is because its fun. wanna stop ratting? reward people that are aggressive. its as simple as that

[@JNellyBoi]

If you throw your explosive in the water it will float then can shoot where u last left it, so u can load 4 sticky bombs around an extract and wipe it with one shot

[@sayler1]

That was changed a long time ago. They despawn now unfortunately.

[@PunisherX29]

If that happened to me i would have probably quit playing hunt for a few days, would this strat be more reliable with crossbow/explosive ammo?

[@cellofellow4101]

dead bodies could highlight purple in darksight.

[@Jawnve]

Honestly it’s not as op as it seems cause they don’t have to be bundled up like that unless there’s a another team closing in. They could’ve been super spread out once timer starts only one person has to stay close as long as everyone got the time

[@Chrassi]

I bet they see your name in the death screen and are like GOD DAMN YOU SAYLER

[@MrAlexReady]

i guess the one more way to fix it is to add darksite boosted vision marker on the dead bodies under necromancer

[@rhg1654]

I have been waiting to see someone actually doing it

[@sardinhunt]

This is why 99.9% of players in hunt call themselves aggressive with a 25+ minutes time commitment per game

[@fishy9447]

This is sadistic, but great!

[@amor_swe7608]

Agreed, Pretty darn cool but need fix. We actually encountered 3 solo dudes teaming with this strat ones. Imagine 3 zombie Hunters standing up next to you when you are at extract... What do you think about a fix like boat making sound (not block, but sound) if there is dead, revivable, solo nearby? Same for clue and boss? Great vid.

[@UrbanDefenseSystems]

You want to change a fundamental aspect of hunt showdown because of one extremely unlikely and unlucky improbable situation?

[@tobiasmattsson9285]

You sir, are the one true rat king. All hail

[@andrewvoigtdesign5536]

That last one was BRUTAL!

[@LouCooper]

This is dispicable… and f*cking hilarious. Well done.

[@omargolam2692]

there is kind of a counterplay lol normally i like to hit extraction n just go for a long jog while my teamates still hold down the timer lol but what would really be nice i think is that if a body is downed for a good minute maybe fly sounds should be surrounding the corpse or bubbles in the water, this was a thought awhile ago to make it easier to find dead bodies including in the water to loot but this could be a support for that

[@jakeboston1]

Biggest question i have, what is your success rate?

[@alzhighmr5406]

Actually a very interesting rat fantasy strategy :D

[@Craigo177]

Though they didn't know it at the time, surrounding the extract with choke bombs would put out the thrown bundle

[@sayler1]

Well, not necessarily, because the team at 3:25 did that. They threw about 3 - 4 chokes and still died because the dynamite I threw didn't land in the choke. The big dynamite bundle has an 11m radius where the choke only has 5m.

[@friendlyplayer92]

Honestly they should make a Rat king skin just for you or something 😂❤ 1000iq stuff

[@sayler1]

That's the dream

[@MagnusOlsen03]

Mosin delivery service

[@aaronwilliams9576]

You deserve more views, but for my own peace of mind at extract, I’m glad you don’t 😂 Great video

[@Keatosis_Quohotos]

My suggestion to balance this would be for Necromancer solos to be revealed in darksight when they are downed. They wouldn't look the same as an alive player, but it would let the other people know to check that body.

[@Tu-py6nn]

Bruh you need to start streaming! This is content right here lol

[@pierre6739]

How many rage messages you got for it?

[@owenx380]

Any idea if this generally still works?

[@habjammer]

Personally I don’t think a change needs to be made. But if they did want to make a change maybe have a trait that gives bodies in dark sight a faint glow to prevent extraction death rats

[@strawmanphallacy1367]

Im curious how much time it takes for this compared to success rate. But it looks like fun if this is how you enjoy playing.

[@dondewaay]

Fantastic, I’ll always be weary now lmao

[@Rene_Berlin]

6:23 so evil.. and so satisfying

[@bubbly_ghost]

New fear unlocked

[@serberian]

Well, if they put in the "see dead bodies" trait in the game after current event (which was what I wanted to have anyway before we even had it), this can then be countered

[@reeeeeeeeeeeeepr2362]

I subscribed after the very first clip. fucking hilarious

[@Lubenstein1]

dude that is some insane technology!

[@unusualbydefault]

mother of all rat strats, love it!

[@DevykDMC]

Last bounty was scared of you lol 6:52

[@00100000station]

OK: Now we really need the Coroner perk.

[@00100000station]

Great video but I do not like your suggestions to fix. Dead hearing has always been a thing and makes it fun to try and bait solos into reviving. Solo self death may happen accidently and you can just lure a grunt over. I suggest dead hunters with necro appear in darksight when within X range of extract. Like a small orange flame

[@sayler1]

I agree that is a much better idea.

[@bogdan9665]

Wow, that's a brilliant strategy

[@KekelMyShekel]

10/10 would rat again

[@LadosikGaming]

You could combine in with floating sticky bombs that get triggered by explosive ammo.... if they didnt patch those. Just throw a sticky into water and it stays there, until something explodes near. should bring even more salt to the wound

[@sayler1]

I would love that but unfortunately they did patch that out.

[@rambo-cambo3581]

I barely even have a problem with this, its the big dynamite bundles I fucking hate The amount of times I've been killed through solid walls in this game is borderline ridiculous

[@pursuitofcode8287]

This is about the rattiest hunt showdown gameplay I've ever seen. You can't help but love and hate it.

[@paullucido27]

This one of those things were if I do it to someone it’s funny, but if it happened to me I would be HEATED 💀

[@r4tte]

My solution would be to allow dead bodys to be seen in darksight when carrying a bounty while still have seconds left. This way they would also implement the 'seeing dead bodys' feature many players are having on their wishlist without adding a new trait for it

[@muradi9058]

Maybe Necro should have a radius around extraction points where it doesn't work for solo's.

[@Echolaliaxu]

This is such a Fremen play, rising from the terrain.

[@KingTiger10588]

omg this is beautiful the only way to counter this is choke bomb to deny the fuse lol

[@VitaFireLL]

Dauntless is the counterplay, i think. But this was way to funny.

[@Jibbzz]

Pure evil. This is demonic behavior. Pure malevolence. I love it.

[@AmiciCherno]

Both of those changes would change the way that the game is played entirely. Instead, dark sight boost should also show a red pool glow where dead bodies within 100m lay.

[@AB-vp9mi]

I have a third suggestion: make a sound when the guy resurrects. Like a loud shout or something remembering the time they died.