EXPOSED: What The Mormon Church Is Doing To Kids

Nemo the Mormon is a current Mormon who is fighting to expose financial and sexual horrors in the church. Unlike many defectors I speak to, Nemo still considers himself a part of the religion, and is a rare (or so I thought) example of a British Mormon. This is something that happens at the extreme end of most tight-knit communities, and the Mormon version is also exposed by South Park and LadBible's No Filter video of McKay 'Spartacus' Johnson, who grew up in a Mormon family.
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[@AndrewGold1]

Will you be tuning in? Are you surprised to hear of this kind of abuse?

[@hsk2909]

No, not surprised in the slightest. All extremists are at it. And thank you for keeping up the good work of exposing them.

[@erciliaflores]

It's unbelievable how much is going daily that is harmful and wrong. My life has been so good

[@karinkrog369]

Not surprise. Abuse comes in any form . As a therapist i ahve hears so many heartbreaking stoties.. Curiuous to see what you have uncovered this time Andrew!!!!!

[@reidunengh483]

@@erciliaflores So good to hear!!!!!!

[@aprilsunnyday]

Sadly nothing surprises me

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

It was an absolute pleasure to be interviewed by Andrew, looking forward to working together again soon!

[@AndrewGold1]

I loved it!

[@MartySeeks]

You were enthralling and I look forward to the inner secrets and Masonic early ties that the Mormons had and possibly still do.

[@michellemooresings]

Hey Nemo. I didn't catch the live until the end, sorry. I'm rewatching from the beginning. I wanted to tell you that "change" within something like Mormonism is like trying to move a huge ship! Very very slow. I remained involved in a group trying to be the change. As far a Mormonism I remember studying it and I felt like the added scripture completely conflicted with the Bible. It seemed to be about good works. But this is separate from everything in this vid. Thank you for coming on. I wish you the best, you seem like a neat person.

[@maxinekennedy5888]

You never disappoint Nemo. So thoughtful and eloquent. One of your UK NeverMo admirers 🤩

[@belalima5779]

You're awesome Nemo! I could never do what you do.... I ran away from the church after 35 + years living it and being the best mormon I could be. I admire your strength and respect your point of view.

[@Cai_saN]

Thanks for a great interview/talk! I was a mormon in Sweden from age 21-27, basically married into it, in a very strict family. While I was in it I said it is NOT a cult, but it totally is.

[@marjoriegarner5369]

Cajsa, yes, it is a cult. I know, I lived in it from birth, and left at 30, after life numbing trauma. I'm 81 now and glad I escaped.

[@t-pain3343]

Wow. Is your spouse still mormon? I suppose there’s few Mormons in Sweden that actively attend church

[@Cai_saN]

@@t-pain3343 Yes he is, true believer waiting for the second coming. I think the numbers have gone down a lot over the last ten years of so, but there stil are a lot more than you would think.

[@t-pain3343]

@@Cai_saN interesting. Yea Mormonism is taking a massive hit right now. Lots of people are leaving

[@readyforclarity]

I marched in Utah for the change for the children interviews. My dad had the nerve to try to brag that the church has changed that, while he never thought to protect me from it as a kid

[@maametweneboah8143]

That's the lie they tell knowing very well of the truth. They are more about pleasing their doctrine than pleasing Jesus Christ and that's why they are always assuring themselves that the church is true.

[@amygladdingthomas5431]

Being married or having an active sex life has NOTHING TO DO WITH SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN. The abusers WILL abuse children regardless.

[@quaver1239]

Hello Andrew Gold. No, I am unsurprised (but still always horrified) to hear of such abuse. Will soon be 81 years old, and very little surprises me. But am almost permanently sad about what I see, learn, know and hear. Proud of you, because you feel like family; we are Jewish and you resemble my male cousins and friends when all of us were young. Keep up the excellent work!

[@h0rriphic]

81 huh. The things you’ve seen and lived through…wow. If you’re 81 you must’ve been born sometime in the 40s?. (I’m embarrassingly bad at maths) You’ve endured the Cold War, other military operations/wars, the entire 60s, moon landing, the advent of tv- then color tv-then 24 hour cable. The energy crisis,the advent of the internet, and terrorist attacks. You must be extremely interesting to know. Please take care of yourself. People like you are literally worth their weight in gold. 💙

[@marjoriegarner5369]

@@h0rriphic I read your comment on this podcast where you kindly wrote to an almost 81 year old person. It warmed my heart in how you acknowledged them. I, too, will be 81 soon. Born in December, 1942. I felt like you were talking to me personally, since I'm the same age as the person you were commenting to. Thank you for what you said. You cheered me up a bit. I found this site while scrolling through KZbin sites that interested me. I was born and raised Mormon, and left the church at age 30, because I felt there was something terribly harmful with the church. And there certainly is. The trauma of going through the Mormon temple on my wedding day in 1963 was enough to traumatize me for the rest of my life. I also was horrified about polygamy and prejudice against Blacks by the church. After studying church history and having hurtful and harmful personal experiences, I had to walk away from it. Thank you for your comment on this site. Greetings from a great grandmother, in beautiful Montana.

[@lilasfaves7846]

@@marjoriegarner5369 greetings from one beautiful grandmother to another!! 💞

[@marjoriegarner5369]

@@lilasfaves7846 Thank you. Lilas.

[@michelehardebeck4141]

Actually started attending a Mormon church for a very short period of time until one day, one of the other women that was attending showed up at my house with a couple of very large grocery bags full of clothing. The lady said that the way I dressed was inappropriate, and she gave me these two bags of clothing, which I probably dumped out and was horrified and humiliated. Needless to say I didn’t go back.

[@maametweneboah8143]

Their hypocrisy is what kills me though.

[@marjoriegarner5369]

You dodged a big bullet when you stopped going to the Mormon church. Don't allow them to stalk you or convince you to come back. Greetings from an 82 year old grandmother in beautiful Montana.

[@exmohobobonobo]

OMG. The gall of her!

[@ashsun144]

Doesn’t surprise me at all, but regardless, that is SO insanely rude.

[@countcoupblessings979]

As a young adolescent , I attended Mormon functions with a friend & her family . A "missionary /elder" behaved very overly friendly . Young, tall, strikingly handsome he behaved like all my likes were the best thing since sliced bread . As an adult I know he was love bombing & grooming . He got me alone & got my number. (Pre cell phone) . He called my home , Mom & older brother smelt a rat . I had no idea why they were unkind to such a friendly guy. He'd asked me to meet him , thank God I spilled the beans & the kibosh was put on that too. Then, not but a few months later a young girl my age , dear to my Mormon friend, was hauled into an Inquisition for being pregnant by that louse. IDK what they call it, I say Inquisition. My friend was heartbroken & grieved by how this girl was blamed & treated . She saw how I too was duped & as they say there but by the grace of God , right ? We were kids , that guy was to blame, yet she bore the brunt. That girl was not allowed to attend anything for a long time, kept from her friends & treated as wanton homewrecker , a witch & a degenerate. They made her give the baby to couple far away . She was never allowed to be in her age classes with church , because she was no longer a kid -WTF . She was too young to be in adult classes too . Though soon they forced her into adult womens group. So not until she was years passed this, was she ever in sync with her peers . She was never supposed to talk about her child , even when she got married later . It was bizarre .Think what this did to her . Mind you , this girl at the time, was reeling with heartbreak , as he'd convinced her she was the sun & moon to him . She was tricked, abandoned , left holding the babe & the bag as it were . She was then double & triple abandoned , victimized & demonized by " her own" . I look back & I shudder. And I can't help but think , how cell phones are a groomers Boone these days.

[@w.larson34]

Thank you for sharing this. It is helpful information for others.

[@ashsun144]

Wow. This is so incredibly heartbreaking.

[@MatrixTechSolutions]

Thanks Andrew!! Fantastic interview, one of your best imo. As an inactive Mormon and growing up in Mormonism his views I respect very much.

[@waterfall_brook]

Nemo is awesome. Thanks, Andrew, for shining light on the problems in the LDS.

[@maryannlockwood7806]

I am not surprised to hear of this. I’m glad he’s working internally to try to change things. (I’m listening to it right now in Patreon). It would be nice to know that there’s more than just him trying to internally change these awful policies.💁🏻‍♀️

[@jojowynne233]

Nemo was a really interesting and brave guy. Good on him for working from the inside to make things better, stop child abuse, financial abuse and help the community. You can tell he’s still so devoted and the thought of excommunication is unbearable. Nemo, you are a trailblazer for good ❤

[@veggieview2264]

These interviews about Mormon insiders and other "cults" are extremely valuable to society, youth, and those who are investigating groups before and after involvement with these groups. This helps people learn critical thought that is not always explored in families or formal education activities.

[@MartySeeks]

Children of any denomination are precious, not just mine as an EX JW, but all including Mormon. When it comes to Children I only see they need to be protected from abuse. I no longer see affiliations.

[@hanagloriaedelblum5693]

To protect children is a feat today, with the powers that be that are medicating and killing them. We certainly need more people to speak up, give testamonials like Nemo to air publicly the pedophilia going on in rich circles. The law doesn't get beyond money, but they will not get beyond truth spoken out loud, with no fear. "Toxic positivity" needs to be unmasked!

[@MartySeeks]

@Hanagloria Edelblum I agree but sometimes it's only one voice clammering for change before others add their own voices, after a time they make a much louder noise. I call individuals like Kelli and also Nemo the Mormon crusaders for change.

[@marjoriegarner5369]

Brilliant comment.

[@kerrydevlin]

I'm not religious at all but I understand how important people's faith is to them. It's fascinating to hear Nemo talk about his faith and challenge it a the same time, I think he's doing a great thing to bring about change without having to leave his community. I hope it goes well for him.

[@casandrabullock9497]

Hi Andrew! I grew up in a Mormon family in California and we are normal and friendly and love our Beach parties! However when I moved to Utah in 1992 I was shocked to see a completely different religion! People were cruel to me because I am a musician with tattoos and I think my hair was purple. I called my father crying and saying "they are not christ-like here!" My dad told me that I was basically stuck in a time warp and that Utah was about thirty years behind everyone else. I left the church for a while, and then about 12 years ago I found a cool group of Mormons in Salt Lake City that were very accepting and could care less if I had tattoos! My dad always taught me spirituality was a very personal thing and you didn't need organized religion to be spiritual. I agree with that 100% And that's pretty much me! Great interview! Love your content mate! ✌️

[@marjoriegarner5369]

Cassandra. Beautiful comment.

[@chlyri]

sadly, the further away from utah you get, the more freedom you have. people want to blame the culture, not the doctrine, but the worst behavior comes from those who pride themselves on following the doctrine, and they're right.

[@exmohobobonobo]

I completely agree with you, but in reverse. When I visited Utah as a teen, I was a strict TBM teenager. I was teased by all of the casual, hypocritical Utah Mormons. I love CaliMos like you, but Umos and Imos are so close minded, awful, petty and …. brainwashed. I was bored one day in church and just needed to say something to break the monotony. They were talking about genealogy, and I jokingly said that I have no work to do since my mom did the work all the way back to Adam. My grandpa’s name is Adam. But the young women gasped in admiration, not thinking “is she joking? Is she lying? Is that even possible?” So of course they didn’t laugh when I said my grandpa’s name was Adam. 🥹 Brainwashed, no critical thinking skills, inflexible social skills. Like Stepford people.

[@MortalsAreFools]

​@@exmohobobonobo my father used to say come outside of the bubble where the church is actually true lol. He was raised in Utah and ran as soon as he could and he's been a lifelong member, bishop, high councilor, but as he said to me once with his personal faith, "The gospel is true to those who genuinely seek it, and people are not" H always loved the culture outside of Utah. Me personally my experiences growing up in an actively LDS family never had experiences like the horror stories and though I left when I came out of the closet as bi my parents never disowned me. I never said anything against the church and I correct misinformation about. I don't hate the religion, my problem was I couldn't be who I was at the time and be in it. I've had spiritual experiences in and out of the church. My biggest problem is honestly the puritanical mindset of many of the people who never read the doctrine or actually understood it then acted all pious.

[@cyndysmith4011]

They can be mean...I knew Christians that grew up there...they really went through it..

[@DogObsessed430]

Intelligent man with amazing self awareness. Very interesting perspective.

[@lindamccarthy6931]

What a wonderful chat Andrew, and Nemo. Such an easy flow to it all.

[@robertgrey8648]

Outstanding interview, Andy! I’ve met Nemo recently in person and am most impressed by his integrity, eloquence, and vast knowledge of Mormon history. Kudos for bringing him on, Andy, he is an inspiration to many of us who would like to see changes brought about in the Mormon Church.

[@marjoriegarner5369]

Robert, thank you for seeing what I saw in Nemo. You described it beautifully. Greetings from a granny in Montana.

[@robertgrey8648]

@@marjoriegarner5369 Thank you for your kind comment, Marjorie, yes, Nemo has indeed excellent critical-thinking skills and his concerns are genuine. I see a great future for him ahead. Greetings to beautiful Montana :)!

[@DestonieSalazar]

I love the term "Toxic Positivity". What a great description of the church.

[@rubendhoyos9886]

Omg you followed my suggestion to interview him. Thank you.

[@lauramacstar9277]

I love this guy! compassionate and full of "the spirit" (without me naming a sect/religion) - caring for others, champion for others! bravo!!

[@reidunengh483]

I am not surprised but REALLY proud of you!! You gained 10.000 subs in a week or so, Very well earned !!!

[@mtjensen5]

They blame it on women wearing certain clothes like the Muslims do but what kind of character and control does that show the men have? Sexual sin seems to be one of the hardest to overcome.

[@chlyri]

1. lack of education 2. shame 3. lack of accountability 4. more shame

[@Grace.allovertheplace]

Hi this was a lovely interview. It makes me happy that you have such an unbiased perspective and therefore are able to interview people from all walks of life. This man was really interesting to listen to. Thanks to both of you. With kindness and respect, Grace

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Thanks Grace, it was refreshing for me to talk to someone outside the “Mormonsphere” on a podcast!

[@Grace.allovertheplace]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON I intellectually understand it have to feel great to be asked new, different questions, and also you’re in a milieu where people who listen, don’t per-say have the knowledge of the internal language you probably are used to use? I think of it as a positive challenge, but how do you feel about it? In my eyes you’re courageous. I haven’t been in a similar position to yours, but I’ve always been pro bettering things on my workplace and even though that’s (I believe) a less complicated situation, it’s still a lot of work! Because it’s never just one person you need to reach out to, it’s almost always a plethora of different people in different position’s, and there’s those people who love to tell you *This is how we’ve always been doing it!* 😂 *but gotta have love for those “last hoorays” too!* But I’d be dishonest if i didn’t say it sometimes feels impossible for changes, but also it never isn’t, *time and patience are my keywords* With kindness and respect, Grace (English isn’t my first language so please feel free to ask if my comment doesn’t makes sense.)

[@marjoriegarner5369]

@@Grace.allovertheplace your "English" is very good. You express yourself very well. As you said, English is not your first language. So I want you to know you're doing very well.

[@Grace.allovertheplace]

@@marjoriegarner5369 Thank you so dearly for your positive and kind words. I’ve noticed that when I want to ask something very specific I lack the ability to put it together. As of right now, I really don’t have to think in my own language writing this, but as above I have too think in my first language and go on from there. Thanks for caring and being so kind. With kindness and respect, Grace

[@marjoriegarner5369]

@@Grace.allovertheplace You are a dear lady. May I ask what your language is? I'm a great grandmother, age 81. in s.w. Montana, USA. I do care and hope your life is going very well, wherever you are.

[@DestonieSalazar]

I love this guest's perspective. He has so much respect for his religion and upbringing and just wants to make it better. So much respect for him!

[@zajournals]

I would love to listen to you both discussing the CES Letter. I was LDS and served a mission. Since they mentioned it, there were a lot of gay guys in the MTC. Not that they seemed gay but were actually having sex with other guys. During my mission I became aware of it happening between other companions.

[@sngray11]

Andrew, thank you for having Nemo on to discuss mormonism in the UK. I am very familiar with the LDS church here in the States and the fundamentalist groups of mormons, but I didn’t know about mormonism in other countries. So thank you again for having Nemo on to enlighten us.

[@larafields3106]

In Utah, clergy are the only adults who are not mandated reporters. When CSA is disclosed Mormon bishops are instructed to call a church run hotline which is staffed by attorneys who offer guidance on how to ensure there is no church liability. In court cases church officials have submitted statements in support of perpetrators.

[@goodshepard00]

Yes, that is the case.

[@Billsbob]

That is incorrect, if not a malicious lie. The hotline helps bishops w/ state specific laws around reporting confidential information so prosecutors aren’t hamstrung in court by inadmissible evidence. And yes, spiritual leaders are supposed to care for their parishioners, even the worst kinds, in hopes that they can be redeemed in the next life.

[@emeraldelle6]

As a 7th generation (former) Mormon, direct descendant of Hyrum Smith as well as a couple of Mormon prophets, as a product of polygamy, and having been very observant of the faith for 40 years before leaving, I’ve been a fan of Nemo from the beginning. He represents the best of us: living with real integrity and holding accountable what should be held accountable.

[@chroniclesoflucifer]

"Mormons have normalized publicly evaluating other people's underwear" 😂😂😂 So much respect for Nemo who has enough strength to take his community with him on this journey of compassion. 😊

[@anthonynettleton8346]

I don't know how as a member we don't let ppl see ours as its a spiritual connection

[@sar8349]

True story. As a then Baptist, the father of a friend of mine passed. We lived in a predominantly Mormon neighborhood and she was (using my term) pounced on and her Catholic upbringing was attacked. As one who made it clear where I stood with my faith, she called. The Mormons were sending "elders" by to talk to her and she asked if I could be there. Incidentally, I had done some research into different religions. The day came and the two very young "elders" sat across from us in her family room. They began by teaching their doctrine/theology as help for her grief. I inquired if I could ask some questions. Of course, they replied. The following conversation ensued. E=elders. Me: What do you consider your source of authority? E: The bible. Me: Amazing! So do I. Have you ever read it? E: (They was uncomfortable for them. After some discussion, they admitted they had not read it in its entirety.) Me: Well, I have read the Book of Mormon and it doesn't exactly line up with the bible. There followed a discussion about whether they believed they could become gods. Their answers were ambivalent. I finally asked if they believed they could become exalted beings and they said yes. Me: So like gods? E: Yes. Me: I will have you know that doctrine comes straight from the bible. E: They seemed a little smug and leaned arrogantly back in their chairs as if to say, "well, there you go." Me: I will read it to you. Genesis 3:4,5 - "The serpent said to the woman, “You certainly will not die! For God knows that on the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will become like God, knowing good and evil." This doctrine did not from Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, the Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price or Doctrine and Covenants, it came straight from the pit of hell. Needless to say, the conversation ended. A few days later, she called to say the "elders" wanted to come back and talk to her but that they didn't want her friend there. BTW - I did not leave God - just the Baptists.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

Try telling the truth. Your story is full of holes, but then you know that pretender.

[@Jsqared-aka-justjenn]

Holy WOW 😳, AA type rehab for masturbation.....😲🤯. You called it Andrew.... that's just shitty. What a Remarkable young man😎. Changing things from within, instead of just thinking 🤔 "this is messed up", I'm outta here. What a great conversation, thanks again Andrew. He seems like a genuinely awesome, human being. Also, the fact that he doesn't abandon those, cast out by the church, but seeks them out giving them the sense that there's still someone in the (church) "family" that cares about them like I said at the beginning, Holy WOW!

[@marjoriegarner5369]

Jennifer, Your comment expressed exactly what I wanted to say. thank you.

[@Jsqared-aka-justjenn]

@@marjoriegarner5369 most welcome Marjorie ❣️ Love from Texas ❣️

[@marjoriegarner5369]

@@Jsqared-aka-justjenn Love to Texas from granny in Montana

[@auntieb3621]

This was a very good interview. Scratched the surface.... well done❤

[@julybaby0727]

When my sister and her husband were in the Mormon church, I wasn’t even allowed to see them get married or see her in her wedding dress because I wasn’t Mormon. The the Mormon church spies on its members and stage interventions. So glad the got out of Mormonism when the decided to have children.

[@Sissi1830]

I am sorry to hear about your experience. Truly. You seemed to have had a very negative experience, which is truly sad. I am a Mormon and maybe that some people that you know were spying on some other members and these spies just happened to be members but I can tell that that is not what members from the LDS church do. I have moved all over the place in North America and I can tell you that there was never any spies in whatever congregation I belonged to. I am not suggesting that that situation didn’t happened to you or to some people that you personally, but what I am saying that this spying issue was specifically to those people but this is definitely not something that the church does. And the reason why you were not allowed to witness the marriage is because only members can enter in the temples, but that’s a whole other discussion.

[@alison155]

This young man held my attention the whole time. No matter what i think about religion i can so understand his worries if ( i hope only when , if he wants) the time comes that he isn't apart of it. He is so very much infested in it, it is his world but NOT blinkered, that yes it must scare him. I know you will be there for him if it comes. That is why i can listen to him. That he is infested but he also knows.. I hold respect for him and his work to help.

[@heatherw1376]

So sweet. He reminds me of boys I grew up with who were Mormon and also well educated and who felt loved.

[@lisacolledge7624]

Hey Andrew 👋. Im in Ausralia and havent been too well, so im reeeealy late to the party today. All i wanted to say is 1) this chap was great and 2) you keep better and better. Congratulations 🎉

[@AndrewGold1]

Hope you feel better soon Lisa, and thank you!!

[@deewilusz9042]

I have been waiting for this. Nemo is so informative and brilliant. Great job gentlemen!

[@dianacryer]

Another good interview. Indoctrination is very hard for people to shake.

[@marjoriegarner5369]

You bet, indoctrination is very hard to shake.

[@mariacoronel2547]

Thank you so much, Andrew, for exposing us, your followers, to so many interesting and very much up to date subjects. There is so much to learn in what you’re doing in your channel. I am an extremely curious person so imagen how happy I am with every video you cover.

[@marjoriegarner5369]

Maria, yes.

[@elizabethgrogan8553]

I follow Nemo on Utube. His knowledge of Mormon history is astonishing. I'm friends with an ex-Mormon couple who left the church in 2019. They watched a video which explained the truth about Joseph Smith. They both say they have never been happier.

[@maametweneboah8143]

Do you remember the video title?

[@elizabethgrogan8553]

​@@maametweneboah8143 Sorry for answering so late. I believe they watched Mormon Stories Podcast, an episode which spoke about Joseph Smiths lies. They follow Nemo and a few other Ex-mo channels.

[@donnamorgan2522]

Another fantastic,insightful interview into the Mormon Church with this wonderful man. Greatly appreciate Nemo sharing with our Community. It helps “outsiders” understand.

[@estebancarbajal6014]

What Nemo said is all true. I was an active Mormon for 33 years.

[@marjoriegarner5369]

Golden, greetings from a fellow exmormon, from an 81 yr old grandmother in Montana.

[@Callisto74]

I agree with a lot of what Dougie says. I’m a lifelong Mormon who dealt with these issues from within the church for many years and was criticised for it. I left the church some years ago. I’ve never known Mormons to not eat chocolate, however.

[@ChrisGroggyCreaser]

Thanks For GIVING US THE REAL TRUTH,Andrew!!

[@jennifercornman1291]

Any god that doesn’t love you for who you are isn’t worth worshipping. There are religions with churches that don’t judge you for who you are.

[@erciliaflores]

Well, God never does the judging-- whatever the people in the church might say. In my opinion, anyway!

[@fallon7616]

Great show, Andrew Learning more about being a Morman than I ever thought I could 😂

[@grandma2568]

So glad you stood up and told the truth

[@JM-pg5rc]

Andrew, you need to interview Samantha Shelley. She was converted as a teen in the UK and went to a Mormon university before leaving. She has an awesome channel with her friend called Zelph on the Shelf.

[@rubendhoyos9886]

Agreed her channel with Tanner is great. youtube.com/@ZelphOntheShelf

[@dougfisher2078]

@AndrewGold1, Andrew Great interview! I wasn't aware of you before this video, You did a great job bringing out of Nemo his true thoughts and feelings which I align with enormously. This is the best video I've ever seen Nemo do, I hope you would let him post it to his channel.

[@stephaniecook2441]

Am proud of This Brave Young Man for standing up for Himself. It's quite infuriating that this can even happen at all. GodSpeed to Him!

[@marjoriegarner5369]

Great comment

[@sarahhaverson176]

Hi Andrew, I was just in the Live, didn't know you'd interviewed Nemo until you mentioned it, he is so thoughtful and articulate, looking forward to watching this one next!

[@pixie3760]

I did a Bachelors in world religions so I find interviews fascinating

[@judithbogner3222]

I tuned in late but I think that I got the message of this fellow. I wish him the best. I pray that he holds up strong against the institution and lets the truth shine! 🥰

[@dannieb3626]

I really appreciate this video more than I can express at the moment Thank you so much for both of you a gentleman explaining so thoroughly 🙏

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I’m so glad, thank you!

[@sinSARAHty]

I find myself in a similar position as Nemo, except that I am not at all vocal about it and my circumstances have mostly just begun to unfold... I grew up in the LDS faith, went on a mission, got married in the temple, the whole gambit. Back when my husband and I were dating, he began to have a faith crisis. He shared his journey with me, but it was much different from my own. I suppose I had always seen the Church as a culture, community, and heritage... and also a faith. I had never seen much of a problem with disagreeing with leaders if they said something I wasn't on board with. My husband's relationship with the Church, however, was entirely wrapped up in the religion, so when his "shelf broke", he couldn't see any value in it at all and has now left. I, on the other hand... Well, I'd been disagreeing with religious teachings and leaders for years, so none of this was new or earth shattering for me. I didn't "put it on my shelf" so much as respectfully decline to have it in my house - I can disagree with some teachings and have issues with some history and that's that. Still, there are many things about the religion that I respect and enjoy and hold dear. And there are other things that make me cringe and want to apologize. Still other things I think are just fine even though people ridicule or condemn the Church not for being wrong, but for being different. My husband is out now because he experiences it primarily as a religion. I am still in because I experience it primarily as my culture (the good parts, anyway -and there are many good parts. It's far from perfect, but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water). This has all happened very recently - we've only been married a year. So now I find myself at a crossroads where I'm really not sure what to do religiously, because although I share many opinions with my husband, I do not want to leave my culture behind.

[@belalima5779]

All true unfortunately, Nemo you did great, and good job interviewing, Andrew!

[@exmohobobonobo]

I’m a new subscriber to your podcast! It was weird to start at the latest episode (the terrible, sad case of the Punjabi woman) and then start at the beginning and find out it’s the same woman! I want to see what we as exmo or nuanced Mormons can do to help prevent the type of systematic violence she and others from using India or other paternal societies experience. Love you both NEMO and Andrew! Great Q&A. Not just superficial answers. I’m so proud of NEMO’s work. It’s not easy being the ONLY ONE to stand up during a vote and oppose one of the richest and possibly powerful leaders in the world. 👍

[@kiki29073]

If he was in the USA he would have been excommunicated when he first voiced his thoughts aloud.

[@helenatroy33]

Gee I can't imagine what that level of sexual oppression does to men 🙄hidden deviancy is what happens.

[@marjoriegarner5369]

Yes. Astute comment.

[@desiadaven]

Nemo, I am a fan. I admire your eloquence and bravery. Thanks Andrew for highlighting him!

[@mtjensen5]

Makes me think about the story of King David in the Bible who by the way was a man after God’s own heart, he sent for Bathsheba who he saw and lusted after. He sent her husband to the worst part of the battle so he would get killed, which he did, then he married Bathsheba. He had quite a few wives and concubines which was prohibited in Mosaic law. Same with Solomon, his son who had 100’s of wives and concubines. Geez

[@madisencrapo7543]

I grew up Utah mormon, still live here and I laughed when he said only the most strict rules , those are the normal and expected here plus a few others, no water ( pools lakes etc) on Sundays and a few others. I appreciate interviews with Mormons who actually know the culture and doctrine. A lot of times they spread false info. There’s enough real problems in the church, we don’t need to muddy the waters with rumors. Also it’s baffling that background checks still aren’t done. Nemo Gave me a different perspective on trying to make a difference from the inside. I haven’t been to church in years because I hate the culture. It’s very keeping up with the Jones’s, very fake, every one is on anti depressants and abusing prescription pills. I wonder if he could look into the upper echelon and the third anointing where basically once you’ve reached that level you are guaranteed the celestial kingdom and can do whatever without repercussions. I found that out at 28 and it was my last straw. Living in slc we know prophets and their families and I have heard many stories about the hypocrisy of the elders

[@MrRickb75645]

The church is honest. But the lawyers were the ones involved in that. You would be amazed at how large it's holdings are. But it also takes a lot of people to run it. And so yes things do get messed up . The church is perfect, but the people are not. And this happens every where and in every church.

[@erciliaflores]

That last sentence is the very truth. Every church has problems! And everywhere outside of church has problems, too. It's tough to think about

[@readyforclarity]

The church manipulates children and vulnerable communities to steal from them. Full stop. I was one of those children. I was lied to. By the church, the doctrine, my leaders, my parents, the people in general conference. If an entity is taking advantage of people and hurting people, listen to them instead of the entity.

[@chlyri]

the church is as honest as a snake oil salesman. the "prophet" and his counselors have lied, as have those in the past.

[@MortalsAreFools]

Thank you for this comment.

[@1yoginiheart]

Growing up Mormon, my household experienc was highly controlled. No TV, No music, No chocolate, No caffeine, No swaring, No failure. My third father was not a member. Mom ruled the roost. I understood Mormon life, once I moved to Utah. I highly recommend for the curious. I was proposed to by a FLDS member. Utha is an eye opener. Once I experonced group violation, I went to the Priesthood, and nothing at all was done to support me, or provide any support. I have had a lifetime of healing from the Church. I have half my family being in Mormonism, My mom is a Survivalist Type. She had bodybags in her supplies at one time.

[@bsota8513]

Wow! Body bags for who, though?

[@1yoginiheart]

The body bags are to burry the dead

[@maametweneboah8143]

Bodybags, why?

[@1yoginiheart]

@@maametweneboah8143 My mom I as what is called a 'Servivalist or Preper'. So they hoard, as they feel we are in the Latter Days. That prior to Christ coming, there will be total anarchy. Mom had a tent for 20 ppl. Cots, stove, clothing, food, tools, to also include body bags so we can burry the dead. Those are really just a few of her hoards. I hope that makes sense. Oh, and she also had weapons and took, courses to use them, and self defence classes.

[@bsota8513]

@@1yoginiheart Got it. Good for her! Never know.

[@frankttt604]

It was such a pleasure to listen to you two. Nice open man telling his story. I enjoyed it to the most!

[@arunningbet]

As someone who was Catholic when the scandal came out about the priests it was mostly well it’s not OUR priests that are doing that. However, there was training that religious peeps had to go through because of it.

[@cyndysmith4011]

I lived in Utah for 10 yrs. It was surreal, the fake niceness to reach that higher level of heaven is gross.They are super backstabbing and cutthroat to be the best ,most perfect morman...I worked at T.J.Maxx, ladies would come in and INSIST they were undercharged and demand to give our store extra money...totally a guilt thing..happen all the time the managers said..definitely a chapter in my book, I'm writing in my head..

[@AliaKhanPurple]

Thank you, Nemo and Andrew, for this interview. Very insightful. And all the best Nemo, I hope you do influence change and good on you for the support to ex-mo you provide through Thrive. ❤

[@davemaller7022]

Hello Andrew and "Nemo" - a most fascinating, open and enlightening interview. I've followed Nemo on a number of his video-casts. I found it brought out a number of issues that Mormons, who still have their heads in the sand, should be aware of.

[@marshlanderdumarais264]

I’ve followed Nemo for some time and have always admired his ability to present his argument in the face of what I know will be unrelenting pressure. I don’t have the strength to explain my point of view to my ex-wife or my bishop son. Thank you so much for this interview. My admiration for Nemo’s courage has just soared.

[@veessayin2878]

What a great interview you two! Thanks for putting it on and out there.

[@budhancock5719]

I am so happy and grateful for your hard work, dedication, and spiritual wisdom!

[@Dojustdoandbe]

One of the reasons I left the church was their refusal to accept people who have homosexual relationships, they said as long as you don’t engage in it you can attend church. I just couldn’t reconcile that and yet you can attend if at home you’re an abusive heterosexual person

[@blackrussian12345]

if you believe that the bible is the word of God you would know that homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord

[@chlyri]

​@@blackrussian12345mistranslated. something joseph smith failed in correcting.

[@blackrussian12345]

@@chlyri huh? sry i don't understand yr comment. R u saying the bible was mistranslated or that JS was? And that homosexuality is OK under that particular doctrine-? TY

[@jasontaylor6779]

That will be the 3rd time this week I will be up by 4.00am but it's worth it. Nothing surprises me when it comes to religion/cults. The world would be better off without either. But then you would have no show.

[@AndrewGold1]

Love it Jason!! Thanks so much for your support

[@anitaevans2432]

That's so right Jason 😊

[@steph744]

nemo!! was really interesting to hear from you. I am a big fan of you as a co-host on the LDS discussions podcasts with mike.will you continue the series??

[@NaturingIFindNatural-august73]

we found nemo.! nemo found himself.! 😉 good to hear.. ✌🏻🇦🇺🌏🤘🏻

[@armaugh]

Amazing interview.

[@shelleyconnolly8452]

Only found your channel yesterday... And Ive got to say , I'm now extremely sleep deprived as I've been making my way through your content ...outstanding work ! Love how the Mormons can " change their rules " as they deem fit .. How does that work ? Someone wakes up one morning having had a dream that God has told them to drop rule number 38 ? Unbelievable scarily unbelievable

[@AndrewGold1]

haha i love it, but hope you do get to sleep! enjoy the channel shelley!

[@karigross4596]

What a stupendous interview! Thanks, you guys! I’m a former Mormon, my English family was part of the pushcart Mormons. I’d like to challenge you to consider this: could there REALLY be a God? He’s not the god of Mormonism, obviously. But I’d urge you to pursue truth. It’s an exhilarating ride!

[@mandiewectawski5671]

Not surprised at all as an ex mormon i am definitely not surprised by what they do

[@aaronmnsky]

I grew up in a small town occupied by a predominantly Mormon population and well, I must say it was very interesting to say the least.

[@tamimorgan8903]

In the church it is all about the money! If there is a scandals, they will protect the person that is causing the scandal. The victim is NOT protected, (ie: sex abuse)

[@joannegrieco8523]

I don't know Any man who thought my shoulders were sexy and it certainly isn't a woman's fault if a man did!!!

[@kiki29073]

If Utah gets a hold of him he will be gone. There is more and more backlash recently with so many murder cases being related to the LDS church. Non LDS people are learning what it is to be LDS and the different Mormon sects because LDS is just the main one.

[@bsota8513]

Murder cases? Wow

[@tj2636]

The entire LDS church is problematic, from its inception to present day.

[@lovegenderless]

OPERATION UNDERGROUND RAIL ROAD IS BASED IN UTAH AND IS BEING INVESTIGATED

[@reneepolin6549]

The people that say you don't know Mormonism are the people who are triggered and freaking out cuz the truth hurts.

[@chlyri]

preach!

[@therealdeal3672]

Polygamy should remain illegal. However, the women should be protected financially by the polygamous husband's assets and her maternal privileges supported over those of the father who is stretched too far for the well-being of the children. Those protections should become enshrined in law. That way women and children are protected and the man's position is not protected as it should not be because he's breaking the law. IMO.

[@henrikstomsjo5613]

Please avoid the word "kid", it literally means goatoffspring, satanists worship the goat, it's a satanic psyop referring to GOAT of Mendes or BAPHOMET. Humans have CHILDREN. It's all about (mockery of) Scripture. Matthew 25:31-46: "But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the GOATS. ----------- Wouldn' t it be more logic if followers of Jesus Christ called their children LAMBS!? Updated with additional info!: The first use in the English language for “kid” as an identifier of a child is - “It was considered informal English by the mid-19th century and is now in common use. The kids' referred to when the word first referred to children were sold by criminals to sea captains who took them to British colonies as labourers or slaves. They were also youngsters enlisted by British sailors or soldiers.”

[@joannegrieco8523]

I was the "Actually " adult in college and an introvert too . Not shy about my beliefs and Passions in writing and only in front of people I trust or when I've hit my limits on patience but I do also recharge my battery with quiet and some short periods of solitude

[@kellymc6812]

Wonderful interview Sirs!thank you 🙏🏻❤️

[@Lynnessanovember]

I totally relate to being the Hermionie annoying kid growing up. Thanks for putting those dots together for me makes SO much sense! I needed how to be natural & normal lessons lol

[@redsoxexpat]

If you ever interview him again, please can you ask how his family (particularly parents) feel about his questioning the church and what he is doing with his podcast, and what would happen to his family relationships if he were excommunicated (i.e. would he be shunned the way it is in Scientology and other sects). I wonder how much his family ties may impact on his decision to stay in.

[@wessey1000]

I’m just fact checking your guest! University of BYU has had quite a few athletes on their sports team! That was in no way part of the church! This guy needs to work on his investigation skills!

[@effiec.7318]

It’s also a privilege situation with being able to have more influence as a white man than a woman can.

[@jacquelineleitch7050]

My dad was a paedophile. I am not sure how other paedophiles are but he was entitled and used the Bible to joke about paedophiles and at the same time this legitimized his neurosis as he felt he was airing himself to be free in a public space. It has taken me some time to put a lot of his reality together. It’s much more complex than this air brushing but perhaps there is something to look at there. I find it interesting that apologists for Prince Andrew point to their finger at a 17 year old kid who has had to grow up in slave form capitalism is considered a pirate while he is considered the 40 year old victim. Also these people in no way consider a teenager a kid. It’s a very malicious creepy way to view culture and the individual.

[@iodine63]

Happy that you question item you find concerning. Everyone should have your strength. Just found out Brigham Young is a 5th cousin and Joseph Smith Jr is a 6th cousin through DNA.

[@blackrussian12345]

and freemasons

[@nathanbigler]

The Mormon church is horrifying. I served a mission for the church. I didn't feel like I had a choice when I was 19 years old. I was treated terribly on my mission and left the church a year afterwards. I'm amazed anyone is still a member of the church today. It is clearly false and harmful.

[@greetverboven8171]

And satanic

[@nathanbigler]

@@greetverboven8171 maybe. I don't believe in Satan, but I agree with the sentiment.

[@blackrussian12345]

@@nathanbigler joseph smith was a freemason; the rituals in the temple are based on freemasonic rituals and the salt lake temple (maybe others too) openly display pentagrams to name a few things