EXPOSING Creality's NEW EVIL Plan!

[@ps2batman]

the backgroundmusic kinda feels like im having a 2nd video playing.

[@ThePrintHouse]

Oh yikes. Ok thank you for the notice. I will try to fix that for the future. Is it just too loud or is it the wrong style music for the topic?

[@baptisteclu]

​​@@ThePrintHouseDefinitely too loud.

[@ps2batman]

@@ThePrintHouse its way too loud. also, i think, while the style is good as backgroundmusic, this special song has some tones to it that try to steal the attention too much. other than that i really like your content, and im looking forward for more :)

[@andreaspoulsen8017]

Yea! Absolutly flooding the market and creating a service support nightmare for themself. They should remake their lineup. 1. CorexY printers. Maybe 4-5 different sizes. Mini, origin, Max, Mega, Ultra. Then iterate them with a number Like "Creality K1 MAX" , next iteration: "Creality K2 MAX" and keep it simple like that. Make sure to have all the models ready and release them for next iteration. 2. Bedslingers. 5-7 Different sizes. Ender 4 mini, Ender 4 origin, Ender 4 Max etc. Going from 220x220 to maybe 500x500. 3. One arm. Maybe a 150x150 and a 180x180. This would be easyer to understand. Right now they have so many versions, CR models, Ender 3 (like how many years ago did they launch the ender 3? just making versions on version... calling them NEO, v2, v1, Max, MAX neo, S1? S1 pro... on top of that the CR-series with versions etc. Right now if you are looking for a 300x300 or 225x225 (roughly) then you have like 4-5 models with almost the same spec. Ender 3 v2 neo, s1, CR. And there are multiple versions with slight changes to all of them. They are making costumer spend longer time choosing the right model, and also theyre costumer support probably having a nightmare. Not to say theyre production line must be running slower with all the different models. Then we soon have the fight for multicolor printers really starting, maybe with different techniqes coming to the market. Bambu lab have made it super simple with an AMS unit and thats it for now. One product, but they dont have alot of legacy models to think about. For Creality this could make it even more messy if they keep attaching it on different models, overlapping etc. You are absolutly right. They are not only overflooding the market, they are overflooding themself. All the extra firmware they have to debug, upload and different motherboards, motors. It must be a nightmare for the employees to actually create quility products with all these models floating around and getting pushed to the market all the time. They are also missing the point why we choose creality to begin with. They have never had the best reputation for good support, or quility. Even if it has improved, when they launched the K1, where they had an extremly polished competition with Bambulab, they launched a product that was flawed in some ways. There was some cable problems with the bowden cable, the AI-sensor probably did not do anything from what I have seen and heared, and the hotend was flawed and the app was filled with advertisments. Sure they fixed some of that... but even theyre latest flagship product are still proving that theyre are not on top of the quility level that makes them hazzle free. The reason why we choose Creality was instead the price. But if they are making so many different products they must be getting to a point where the production and support costs are eating the margins. I see this in bedslingers, where there are alot more alternatives that are priced better. With klipper, and latest improvments to the hardware and software. Becouse other companies focus on a couple of products instead of 100. If they keep going they will need to launch a spreadsheet for the costumer who want to choose the right printer from them XD.

[@ThePrintHouse]

This is an incredibly thoughtful comment. Thank you!! I probably cant reply to it all, but I absolutely agree with you in every case! Customers are getting to the point where they will be overwhelmed with options that they might just go elsewhere. I am perfectly fine with them have 2 or 3 options of similar size and compatibility, but when it is to the point where they are now where the CR lineup is blending with the ender line up it is just going to confuse people. I cant imagine being a new customer thrown into the sea and told to find the best product for your needs and budget. I have never had the need for customer support, but I have heard it is bad. I will just go with that because I havent experienced first hand. If it is bad...fewer models would certainly make it easier to get answers back to people. What about the production line? Yeah you're totally right. More models means more issues with production. Not only will it slow down, but it will also mean that the workers are not well versed in production of every model, so there will be more flaws in regard to pre-assembled components. More models is more versions of firmware. Even if it is the same similar firmware, it is going to be slightly tweaked...even if it is as basic as moving the bl touch from one location to another....all the small stuff adds up. It all does come together as a nightmare for them. And dont get me wrong, I actually really love creality products and I think they have a place in the market, but I think they are making it harder on themselves and their customers by releasing so much. If they are ok with the quality of the products they're releasing, then it doesnt matter because they are aware of their flaws. I personally see creality as more of a midtier product, so I expect there to be some issues. To me....you buy a cheap car and it vibrates as you drive down the road....it just gonna happen. Same with creality. You are buying a mostly good product, not a fully flushed out PERFECT product.

[@milospavlovic7520]

I bought the CR-10 SE as my first printer because the price difference between it and k1 was around 220USD here, and V3 KE is arriving only in February. Pretty satisfied with it so far

[@luissouzalima9742]

The noise reduction feature on the CR-10 SE is a big plus for me. A quieter printing experience is always welcome

[@ThePrintHouse]

What noise reduction feature??

[@fiery_transition]

Great vid, yeah, I don't understand why you would buy the CR10 when you can get the k1. Very confusing. Maybe they are trying to flood the market like you said, and some people might feel less intimidated by the 'smaller looking printer' than the larger one. Would make way more sense if the cr10 was 100-200 dollars cheaper instead, but at some point the profit margin gets too little to justify even making it then. Then the question comes if they are willing to discontinue a whole product line or not, if it's too expensive to manufacture, I guess time will tell.

[@ThePrintHouse]

It's possible that the perceived simplicity and compactness of the CR10 might appeal to beginners or those looking for a less intimidating introduction to 3D printing, but I think the K1 would be a better option for a beginner anyway haha, so it's kind of a double edged sword. The point about the profit margin is spot on - striking a balance between affordability and profitability is always a challenge which is why I think this might be a ploy to flood the market. Like you said, only time will tell, but it already seems like theyre destroying the cr10 by making it so similar to the ender 3, and theyre definitely not getting rid of the ender lineup, so the cr might go away soon.

[@VictorKalman]

k1 is nice product but if you serch u can find a lot of videos with e huge problems

[@ThePrintHouse]

​@@VictorKalman Check out my video on the K1. Not many people have revisited the K1 since creality fixed the problems with it, so most of the videos are old not good....which is valid for the early release units, but not for the new ones.

[@VictorKalman]

@@ThePrintHouse I bought mine 2 weeks ago, at first I was enthusiastic about the simplicity and speed of printing, then I started printing the pieces where a little precision is required, not much, and I discovered that it has an error of 0.4mm on the axis X relative to Y axis, then I tried to print 1 test layer there is no consistency in the result. then I printed a circle and I always detected an error of 0.4 mm along the X axis that I couldn't fix pulling the straps, on the various groups and forums I discovered that many have the same problem

[@ThePrintHouse]

​@@VictorKalman Jeeze thats crazy. One thing to check is the extruder. If your extruder does not have a white spring operated button where you plug the bowden tube into, then you have the wrong extruder. The one it ships with has a black release button that uses a pressure clip.

[@EliMYoung]

appreciate the in-depth comparison, but I'm still torn between the two. It's a tough decision to make.

[@ThePrintHouse]

Yeah I can understand. Do you have any specific questions

[@OGBluberry]

First! Love the vids!

[@ThePrintHouse]

Thank you so much!!! It means a lot! :D

[@scottmasa7774]

On sale now for $321. for that price I had to pick one up.

[@christopherm.burleson164]

Helpful review, thanks!

[@JohnFTodd]

I love how the CR-10 SE offers premium features without breaking the bank. It's the perfect blend of quality and affordability. Great review

[@ThePrintHouse]

It's nice that it has linear rails, though I think the K1 might be a better buy. This machine does have premium options though. If only creality would fix the klipper integration now....

[@arnaudesalmons886]

Great comparison!

[@sophiaalvesrodrigues9712]

t's nice to have options in this price range！

[@ThePrintHouse]

I guess that's a nice but I mentioned the k1 price already

[@raissadiascarvalho3780]

Impressive print quality.

[@ThePrintHouse]

Agreed!

[@carbide1968]

yeah but it's using better screws, so it's new.

[@ThePrintHouse]

When you say screws do you mean the z axis? And yeah this machine is definitely NEW. I am not denying that, but it feels creality is pulling away from the CR brand with this one. If they called this an ender 3, I would be very impressed. I cannot wait to see the Ender 3 KE because this printer is what I assumed the KE would be.

[@carbide1968]

I'm just joking around like the machine is a all new design because they used new screws to assemble it.

[@tombo7719]

Creality is trash.

[@ThePrintHouse]

honestly very informative

[@tombo7719]

I have many, but the last, a BRAND NEW Ender 3 s1 Pro melted bed & printer guide plate after printing ABS for 5weeks 24/7 w 100C plate and 250C nozzle printing VORON parts, they stopped responding. Even though I had damn near a full year of warranty left. I will never support them again, and that is when the price was nearly $500.00.@@ThePrintHouse

[@LilApe]

All 3d printers made in china are trash

[@crazzzyization]

I bought a CR-10 SE for 320 USD and it works without problems out of the box, but the K1 needs to be modified with a file to start working well.

[@ThePrintHouse]

The cr-10 se is a great printer. I dont have any specific problem with it. It just seems expensive when there are other printers that are similarly priced. What K1 file are you talking about? I didnt need one