Exposing Hip Hop's Original Industry Plants...kinda

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00:00 What is an Industry Plant?
07:17 The Early Days of Hip Hop
13:55 Their Come Up
30:25 Their Fall Off
35:35 The Rise of Gangster Rap
40:54 The Truth about "Industry Plants"
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[@supernus8684]

I think the concept of the industry being able to manufacture a successful artist from essentially nothing except good looks is giving the industry too much credit. Businessmen only know money and if they make all the decisions on the end product it will be shit. See super hero movies, they tried turning it into a product and then everyone stopped watching them. At minimum they need some talent to work with, like the artist can sing/rap/dance and there definitely are artists today that can sing but can't write for example. But arguably the more the artist does for the businessmen the better for business, if a label can provide funds and distribution but the artist does everything else the label wins more. So i would say there exists a spectrum of lets say "industri plantness" where most artist cannot be disconnected completely from the industri and to some degree are propped up by the business behind it all. Is it good, is it bad? Arguably there are both benefits and drawbacks to how it works as with everything else but considering that the industry sometimes manages to show us a really good artist i would say it is what it is.

[@BrickCity8919]

I feel like we use the argument “people aren’t that smart” a lot and then decades later we are taught that people in positions of power with influence actually are that smart. And that they were using their power/influence to push certain narratives all along. FD did a video about the cops recently and one of the things he mentioned is how television uses friendly/funny cop shows to portray cops as a thing that they are not. That to me is what an industry plant is meant to do. If we see this clearly with things like copaganda, why does our inability to believe it is happening with other groups or other belief systems end there? Even if they want to push forward someone and maybe it doesn’t work out with that person because audiences don’t like that person, they’ll just find someone else. They’ll keep pushing people who align with what they want to convey until the person with the right look, talent, and personality can convey the message they want to convey.

[@komicsreviewer8505]

They businessmen are just giving the plebs what they want.

[@gharm9129]

It's more pervasive than you think. Who's Milli Vanilli

[@adamm8462]

I don't think everyone stopped watching superhero movies tho. They're still very profitable, otherwise you wouldn't see them this much in the movies.

[@lauray811]

Exactly. Industry is always going to push what the artist they think are going to be the most successful. There may be a misalignment between what industry people think the public wants and what the public wants, but there's not a shadowy cabal expertly pushing music everyone hates. The problem with the term 'Industry Plant' is most people just use it to mean successful artist they hate, because obviously that's the only reason that artist became popular.

[@NateMims]

Industry plants or not, i always felt like Kid N Play represented another part of the culture...they weren't hood, but we all knew brothas like this coming up, dudes who was real clean, got girls and danced at parties...hip hop has an entire dance element that their music energized back in the day...i am a 49 year old original hip hop fan...

[@isaidwhatisaid5369]

You're truly uninformed. It's well documented Play was the street dude and Kid was the nerd. Next time, do some research before typing nonsense.

[@NateMims]

@@isaidwhatisaid5369 where in your statement did I contradict you? I never said Play wasn't a "street dude"...I said they were real clean and got girls...

[@Realjudah1]

@@NateMimsI totally agree with you my brother I’m an old head seeing hip hop transformation from early 80’s to maybe 10 years ago and kid and play although part of the culture were never ever ever seen as street or hardcore. They 90’s made sure to that. Peace

[@OverlyOpinionated919]

​@@isaidwhatisaid5369 damn bro relax 😂

[@NateMims]

I was a part of the community that made Kid N Play and hip hop...when 2 Hype came out, I was 14...I copied that tape along with The Great Adventures of Slick Rick, By Any Means Necessary by BDP, and Straight Outta Compton...it wasn't uncommon for any hip hop fan back in those days to have all those tapes in their collection...we enjoyed all kinds of hip hop music, not just street or gangster, but all of it...DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Frsh Prince we often heard right before someone played Public Enemy or X-Clan lol

[@GourmetBurrito]

"hip hop in its sentiment had a revolutionary potential and a radical implication but as soon as the radical started taking brand deals the revolution was over" cut deep

[@mjjjermaine]

+1

[@TheCaptainSlappy]

There was no "revolution". Just like the "hippy movement" or "country & western", it was as grass roots as a plastic door mat from Walmart. Do people really not know that this has been going on sine the 1920's? The Rockola Scandal? The 1970's? The '80's with Madonna? It's private corporations making consumer trends. Not "garage bands" screaming gibberish into a microphone that makes the world go around. An "industry plant" is anyone with a recording contract. End of. Otherwise, none of their "creative genius" would be ever seen or heard, and most people would never follow the newest greatest Pet Rock. Thankfully, the internet destroyed most of that, and with democratization of anyone and everyone considering themselves talent, what they found out is nobody cares and they would rather watch cat videos. Commercial music was always a meat grinder assembly line. From the moment Edison did what he did, that was the end of it. At least Will Smith understood it. Get your cut while you can, and move on. Adapt or die. All I hear is the same backstory...some people wanted to sell music to get rich in get rich quick schemes. By being "unique" as a consumer product. Again...respect to people like Vanilla Ice...you come in, ride it knowing what it is, cash out. Eminem is the same. There is no "revolution" here...there is no "culture" in any of this...just swapping parts on a Mister Potatohead doll to push a "new product you just gotta have right now, kids!". None of this is organic in any way. It is people hollering into tin cans to make money until someone with lots of money comes around to give them even more money to holler into tin cans. This fake fairytale stuff of what, how and why any of this happens is like watching fish discuss other fish in a fishbowl. The only time I care, is when it's someone with actual talent, in running a business. Keeping themselves alive with smart PR moves and understanding technology. Pro-Tip Hint: it was never about "the music". And it never will be. The smart artists know this. The ones that last decades understand this.

[@unclephillymya]

So they should work for free 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@BeautyOutspoken]

@@unclephillymyana but a lot of black music started based on rebellion and speaking out against unjustices. Now people wanna bop and make money. The essence is lost

[@xlixity]

@@BeautyOutspoken That's most music in a nutshell; see Rock/Metal/Punk, all defanged from any sort of actual edge/message and turned into either propaganda outlets or harmless "safe edge" that threatens nothing of worth.

[@wfarmer1000]

Kid and Play paved the way for so many and they do not get the credit they deserve. Kid was basically in charge of raps and lyrics while Play was in charge of the visual aesthetics. Not only did they break waves in music but also in films and cartoons as well. They sold a package, great lyrical rhymes, mixed with style and dance moves. I believe the industry is what killed that style of music as hip hop was pushed more towards gangster rap, and stripper/sexual rap. It became less about making it out of our dire situations and more about surviving and using our situations to our advantage. The glorification of gangs, drugs, sex, and violence. However, I believe today’s music sucks because the hidden agendas aren’t to help us but to hurt us and control us. Whether it’s pushing violence, promiscuity, drug usage, or just living a fast life. Hip hop/rap is no longer about growing and becoming better. That’s for both industry artist and independent artist. But I blame us the listeners because that’s what we choose to support and listen to. But thank you Kid and Play, both my childhood and young adulthood were great times with great music because of your two. And I still listen to your albums from time to time.

[@karlmiller7395]

Now that was well said you should have six hundred likes and a heart from this crappy channel but do you NO and I'm glad you see the truth because it's an agenda of the government to make ALL music satanic to inadvertantly make YOU a Satan worshipper all by circumstance but if you love hip hop check out CZARFACE they dope

[@joeannchaney1219]

Right!! He is way off on this one.

[@quartkneek3670]

Will Smith's career shows there was room for their clean-cut party vibe but as you point out, they didn't/couldn't evolve once they fumbled the bag with their TV gigs. Beyond the fact that they went the route of cartoons for children - too 'on the nose' with the vibe of their moniker, is the thing where they stuck it out together as a duo. The industry has a long record of co-opting a singer from a popular group -because it's easier to deal with a solo artist than trying to do everything by consensus with a group. From Diana Ross breaking away from the Supremes to Beyonce breaking out from Destiny's Child, Will Smith breaking away from Jazzy Jeff opened up more opportunities - not just from the TV Show but also with his radio-friendly dance raps. Kid n Play could've gotten jiggy with their vibe and forged a parallel path of longevity. Also thanks for the Dana Dane shout-out. Even after all these years, I can still quote the bulk of Cinderfella. Can't believe it's an underground classic now as it got radio play and was such a party hit back in the day.

[@mosaton]

I saw Play on the plane, sitting behind me about 10 years ago. I was looking around, noticed him, squinted my eyes then gave a look of recognition and a thumbs up. He gave the same crooked smile like in the movies and nodded back. I didn't want to cause a disturbance on the plane, because when I met Andre 3000 in 2006 at the Whole Foods on Ponce in Atlanta he was super, super nervous and I vowed to not bother celebrities in public anymore. Anyway, I heard Play was a Pastor or something at the time. Later when the flight landed, I saw him again outside of the plane. He looked good, younger than he should have honestly, clean and healthy. He looked happy.

[@BooksandLooksTV]

How you see him so much? 😂

[@arifigueroa7327]

Mhm. And then you woke up, got in your 02 Honda, and drove to your 2pm to 10 pm shift at Bojangles.

[@barth9580]

​@BooksandLooksTV He said he saw him on a plane, and then he saw him in the airport after getting off the plane. That's basically seeing him once. That's not unbelievable.

[@barth9580]

​@@arifigueroa7327I met Trent Reznor at a Denny's in Denver at 2 am. It happens.

[@mosaton]

@@barth9580 exactly. Same flight, once on the plane, later after deboarding

[@jennymartinez7010]

If this turns into a hip hop history channel I'll be happy

[@alwaysxnever]

I'd be all about that being a core element of his channel.

[@afrosamourai400]

Already is

[@peppigue]

nah, he makes too much sense of other topics to narrow down

[@jennymartinez7010]

@@peppigue very true I learn a lot from him. I'm sure he'd get his messages across using hip hop as a focal point anyway though like he's done before

[@Alan_GA]

​@@peppigueprecisely

[@eleandgigs]

KID N PLAY OPENED THE DOOR FOR A LOT OF LEGENDARY TALENT THAT TURNED IN TO SUPERSTARS. KID N PLAY ARE LEGENDARY.

[@qpcontinuum-ig7be]

Dude your videos get better and better those comic book transitions are 💯💯💯 you got me feeling inspired

[@Kilmiina]

Not me wanting that extra hour 'directors cut' version describing all the connections in the industry.

[@user-jk1zm5uq6l]

It's the old bait-and-switch. This was time well spent in that I now know to pass on any FD videos.

[@jon-cx7jq]

FD give the people what they want

[@CoDaC35]

Not me NOT wanting that extra hour 'directors cut' version describing all the connections in the industry.

[@east303buddy]

Super dope video! I also think the industry plant convo has been really popular recently because, unlike in the past, there are fewer recognized cultural authorities for this generation of hip-hop. Previously, you had radio hosts, music journalists, and music critics who all facilitated conversation about what was happening in the culture. You have that today, but it is way more decentralized and less funded (like there is no equivalent to a Source Magazine today). The best we have are podcasts, which themselves are super insular media entities. So there isn't any room for artists with "come up" stories today. Artists just be poppin up on the feed with no co-sign (and nobody to give that co-sign). I'm glad to see more convos on this topic, looking forward to the next video!

[@FDSignifire]

Great points here

[@people2chronically-online]

Nah just more and more black people realizing this “brotherhood” a scam

[@jbmp1390]

Good points. In a way it's kind of good that people don't always require that "co sign" anymore though. Just because someone is/was a semi successful rapper, radio host, blogger etc does not make them the ONLY auteurs of what should or shouldn't be considered good or what gets heard. We know that this model got a lot of great artists, true artists, shelved and ignored because some gatekeeper somewhere couldn't see their "appeal".

[@tdackjordan5873]

​@@FDSignifire Drizzle, Drizzle The RP is growing the pandelim n shift is switching

[@eol6632]

Good points but the (Source) was part of the problem for most of it's run. I thought (Murder Dog) magazine was the best all around Hip Hop counter culture mag out there for its time. Most people got put off by the name and that's a mistake.

[@arthuratkins5902]

Class Act and House Party 3 are big parts of my childhood. Couldn’t name 1 kid & Play song, but I could do the dance.

[@costasspartan1894]

House Party 2 was worse than used Toilet Paper. House Party 3 was and still is one of the funniest comedy/ hip hop style films. Bernie Mac is gold. R.I.P.

[@S.C.-wo8hq]

House Party 2 was ok. House Party 3 was cheeks.

[@googalacticgoo]

Badooosy

[@kezia8027]

"circuit city doesn't even exist anymore, you probably don't even know what I'm talking about" 💀💀shots fired and now my knees and back have stopped working

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

R.I.P. Circuit City...

[@duanebailey6253]

You mean nobody beats the wiz. Most people know circuit city.

[@TrillBillCapri]

Made my gout flare up😂

[@seewhativescene]

Lay off the mercury b you eating too good in the seafood hood 😂😂 ​@@TrillBillCapri

[@seewhativescene]

Pc Richards but the dust too, shout to Woolworths too👴🏼

[@fenshipismagic]

one thing i always come back to about gen z's obsession with "industry plants" is how we grew up in the disney channel musician era. people like miley, selena gomez, and the jonas brothers were basically spoon fed to us and created by disney boardrooms. although no one like that actually exists in hip hop, i think that experience with kids entertainment during our childhood is part of why we're so suspicious

[@maluse227]

And that is just an extension of the boy bands that became popular in the 90s; the industry has just been getting increasingly insidious with how they market artists they want to push.

[@3tp]

Hahahaha!! That's a great point.

[@duanebailey6253]

Sure they do you had people like Will Smith, Coolio, Ja Rule, and many others were plants. Just didn't have any publications talking about it but people still did.

[@jasonGamesMaster]

@@maluse227 it goes all the way back to the beginning of having music geared towards young people, with the Monkees. There hasn't ALWAYS been a direct TV show origin, but artificial groups put together by record labels are old hat. Hell, in the 70s there was Leif Garrett

[@lymphomasurvive]

​@@maluse227Menudo started in 1977.

[@kandystanislaw6919]

Im new to your channel as of today. It was great reliving my hight school days ( 88 was 9th grade) now in my early 50. It was great to go back to memory lane and when i hit the bell to know when u dropped another video your # went to 700, glad to be apart of your channel. Great work sir. ❤

[@HammondChamberlain]

my first time watching one of you essays. You're really good at this. I love the serious coverage in a very relaxed and still humorous approach. I'm going to have to spend some more time with your videos.

[@themichaelkemp]

“I’m from a small town called ‘Fresh Off a Cop’s Ass’, and you’re making me homesick” Still drop that line constantly

[@Drillah]

Classic line 😂😂😂

[@DC4Life77]

You think because you're light and yellow, I'm supposed to be dark and mellow. Robin Harris

[@WickedCool23]

Did you ever see Lottery Ticket? It has my favorite follow up: “oh yeah, that’s right next to my hometown, Wisha Nigga Woods!”

[@oldskoolheart8472]

Bilal Balay whatever your name is 😂😂😂

[@Somnivore7]

Follow the drip follow the drip! 😂

[@shawnsparks75]

I’m from Queens. Flushing, East Elmhurst, Jamaica area. 48 years old Unsure how big the Herbie Love Big collectives were but they were legends back then in my neighborhood . My one of my favorite female cousin dated Kwame when I was in elementary school. He gave me 10.00 to go to the store said “Keep the change.” From there you couldn’t tell me I couldn’t put you on to the industry 😂😂😂. Got the high top fade to match Kids’. Kid & Play encompassed a lot of the “inoffensive “ aspects of HipHop my mom (who hated Rap) could support.‼️🤘🏾😂😂😂

[@smarti1144]

Kept that change!!!!

[@shawnsparks75]

@@smarti1144 Looked to my older cousin 1st for the slight head nod 😏 to be sure I was good🤣 Learned young don’t accept anything without ok ✅ 😂 Kwame could have been heavy in the streets, now he remembers he fronted me money “Back in the Day”…NO SIR😂 He was cool though ‼️🤘🏾

[@NouNou25]

QGTM lool 🫡

[@seewhativescene]

A lot of specific name-dropping what part of the protocol is that though?

[@juliusparacelsus1874]

I know you was rocking polka dots for a year after that. 😂😂😂😂

[@Letitallhangout]

As a 3rd generation hip hop 'older head' I would NOT call Kid N' Play the original industry plants...only cause they were part of that sacred, golden era of mid to late 80s hip hop. "Gittin Funky" is a major part of my treadmill playlist, and keeps me cariodvascularly in shape in my closer-to-middle-age years. I listened to it all - the hard core to the soft core: P.E., Eric B. & Rakim, BDP, EPMD, MC Lyte, Lakim Shabazz, late 80s underground, and more. DJ Rob Swift said it best...hip hop was never stolen.....the leaders of hip hop at that time Sold it to the industry, with a decorative bow around it. This event is what enabled the creation of 'industry plants.'

[@positivityleads2success]

Kid and Play Songs: “Ola ola aeee … ola Ola aeee..it’s Kid and Play now. “Ain’t gonna hurt no body get on down!”

[@idolgray]

Kid n play weren't industry plants. They were in the same crew as salt n pepa and Kwame lead by Herbie "love bug" based out in queens NY. They were prominent on the NY club and party scene and were master call and response/storytelling rappers and wrote for salt n pepa. They paid thier dues for nearly a decade in the 80's (they were pushing 30 when house party 1 came out). At their peak, they had hits songs, popular merch, a cartoon show, and at their pinnacle had the #1 movie, #1 rap song and a top 5 album on the charts simultaneously. The run ended when hip hop went super "hardcore", any rappers that were showmen and dancers faded..

[@joshuajohnson7602]

Don’t forget that they were also tight with Dana Dane back in the 80s too

[@REDD_BLITZ]

💯 💯 💯

[@paullucas9260]

I think he's getting at for all that success they're not remembered as relevantly as many other artists who didn't even have that level of success. I don't know that I ever heard a kid play song on the radio post 90s. But still hear all kinds of other artists on the old rb hip-hop channel

[@idolgray]

@@paullucas9260 that's because of the brand of rap they made. Heavy D, nice and smooth etc were big...but made "fun" rap. Kid n play along with a few others have toured constantly since the late 90's. If you've ever been to a pajama party or did the "kick two feet together" dance that's kid n play influence. Also they just had a popular commercial and, For an insurance company. Most rappers unfortunately become "footnotes" when the new style comes in..

[@catregime]

Yeah idk why he is calling them plants. They weren’t. This is just not correct, FD.

[@healthierwealthierwiser8090]

The year is 1988. I am a 7 year old black girl in the south Bronx. You could not go one hour without hearing the song “Roll with Kid n Play” It was EVERYWHERE. It was a fun time. We would spend whole days on the block making up dances and shouting “o la o la a!!” with the fist pump action. It was such a feel good time. Pure feel good party music. ❤❤❤ thanks for taking me back😢

[@juliusparacelsus1874]

Yup I remember many of people falling on their face trying to jump over their leg. 😂😂😂😂

[@73starrdiva]

@@juliusparacelsus1874OKAAYYYY!!🤣🤣

[@rashb3994]

​​@@juliusparacelsus1874LMFAO yup, face plant or it looked like they were going to break their leg if they didn't clear their leg and it got caught on the other. That was a viral trend before the Internet was even out. That's why they're legends!!!

[@Robstafarian]

❤

[@VoltairesRevenge]

I was there. A little older, same time. KnP were definitely popular. (I made up a dance to one of their songs that was performed at Hunter's summer program.) My family there (I visited every weekend) was more into Biz Markie, EricBnRkm, and BDP. The girls were into LL, KnP, and BigDddyKane.

[@DrLakai.18]

Man, I've always been curious as to what ever happened to Kid & Play. I am very happy that this video randomly popped up on my home page. You made that interesting, concise, and enjoyable to watch/ listen. Very well done. ✊🏾✊🏾

[@LaDanaWendy]

I still have a lot of my albums from back then to include my Sugarhill Gang Rapper’s Delight album and I’m LUVIN’ this trip back down memory lane and yeah that was a bow down to the beautiful Minnie Riperton (RIP).

[@pixelbomb97]

Ohhhhh, Play's name was Christopher Martin. That's why the other band is named Coldplay. It's led by the less hot Chris Martin.

[@tariqthomas9090]

Omg wait cuz I always thought Play was hot. I was a fourteen year old when I first saw House Party and I definitely I didn’t realize how much of a crush I had on him until much later.😭

[@MONET8iAM]

🤔😦

[@peppigue]

*not hot

[@apathybronson]

How are there so many Christopher Martins that are singers

[@danielwaters3188]

Don't you dare disparage Chris Martin! I'm joking. You can hold whatever opinions you want. But I do love Coldplay.

[@AC-te5cb]

I grew up in 90s with Asian immigrant parents in the north suburbs of Chicago in a predominantly Jewish neighbourhood. My immigrant uncle (who was just a few years older than my eldest sister) would copy movies from Blockbuster onto VHS tapes that he would gift to my much older siblings and I. We didn't have cable, so those tapes were a much welcome gift. One of those movies was House Party. I loved that movie so much. "Industry plant" or not, they gave us a lot of joy that I look back on fondly.

[@JME1186]

I grew up in a very ethnically diverse but overall low income neighborhood in Washington, DC. Most of our immediate neighbors were Vietnamese (we’re black folk ourselves), Jamaicans,Trinidadians, Ethiopians and then lifetime DC folks of various backgrounds. It wasn’t all racial harmony but I noticed the kids my age grew up around so many other cultures that the divisions which led to violence and other problems stemmed from neighborhood beef and not racial beef. Hell, I had a crew of Vietnamese literally save me from being jumped by a group of black dudes I knew fairly well but who lived in a neighboring area… and I’ve seen older Ethiopian men who speak very little English take the police to task for profiling or brutalizing young Asian teens in my neighborhood. I realize I’m rambling and it has nothing to do with your comment, I’m just sharing my experience and will bring it back to my overall point: Regardless where kids were from or what race they were classified as, we all bonded over our love of hip hop and the culture surrounding it. So your comment about House Party really resonated with me because I vividly remember watching it at my Vietnamese buddy’s house no less than 10 times. Shoutout to you wherever you are , John Vu

[@avgnfandon2]

Wait Chicago in the building?! Much love!! I’m from Roseland/the 100s

[@africkinamerican]

Cool. I'm from south burbs, Flossmoor. Yep... now known as home of Juice Wrld... But I'm a late 70s/80s kid. Flossmoor was a WASPy and Jewish money place. But also had enough Asians, and blacks, to give it a bit more color. If you became a hip hop fan, the north side was a good place to be in the 90s and 00s, with WLUW and WNUR.

[@magnolia_g]

That taping VHS hits hard for me. I'm a Louisiana Creole/Mexican raised in a tiny village. Our US family would bring down boxes of taped videos and tapes off the radio!

[@traho811]

Remember to push record after the FBI warning.

[@FentonSteele]

I love that you called yourself out for "Pepper." I was like why is he saying pepper lmao. It kept catching me off guard.

[@kellytew107]

I really appreciate the work you did on this video, very well done!!

[@HeadMitchInCharge]

Shout out to Primm Hood Cinema 😂😂 love when my favorite channels have a crossover like a Disney channel episode.

[@simiosinople2045]

he a all-star

[@louisvelazquez29]

Sylvia Robinson made it possible for Rapper's Delight to be recorded and never gets remembered for it. Sad hood movie.

[@xandriamcgilber1126]

This!!

[@skimp1974]

I’m Gen X, and we lived all things coming out of hip hop at that time. Kid N Play were fun. Yes, gangster rap flipped the scene, but fun music, dancing, and comedy were a much needed joy in the 1990s.

[@JamesJohnson-lu5kk]

Kid and play were not industry plants, stop the 🧢

[@smarti1144]

Yep. We had a variety to fit every mood.

[@andrejg4136]

I would argue that the explosion of club/dance rap in n the late 90s and 2000s was the 'Restoration' of that vibe in the mainstream.

[@tanyasampson763]

The variety of rap and hip hop has been removed and replaced with poverty rap and who can say the most sexual things. It's corny at this point t and being produced for white consumption

[@normanjackson9340]

​@@JamesJohnson-lu5kk Exactly. Their story is well documented.

[@LadyDayK87]

I was around for ALL of this, lol, and I truly enjoyed your perspective. As a professional, mature, fresh female, lol, it's hard to find someone to have conversations like this, so this was pretty cool. When you asked, "Can you name any K&P songs I immediately came up with 3. Last Night, Getting Funky (my joint) and Roll With K&P. I never thought about it before but yeah, Kid & Play was definitely the most successful and influential/6 degrees of separation rappers. You did good Buddy Boy 😉

[@michelleray-spears29]

Mannnnnnnn… this took me back!!!! ❤💪🏾 i have sooooooo much to add to your commentary…

[@theseanwardshow]

House Party 3 is an unassailable classic for the iconic presence of Bernie Mac alone. I was a middle school Age kid loving everything he would pop up in before anybody knew who he was. But I loved driving my schoolmates crazy talking about Bernie Mac and quoting all his lines from HP3

[@petevaldezbc1]

House Party 1 is in the same boat for bringing Robin Harris to a wider audience

[@outlawdadonchi]

Who u wit!!!!

[@theseanwardshow]

@@outlawdadonchi yeeeessssss

[@Thespeedrap]

R.I.P to Bernie Mac and Robin Harris.

[@LordPapula]

The thing about the “jump over your own leg” move that mind of gets lost is that it was a finishing move for the set of moves called at the time, simply, “Kid n Play” what made the move so difficult was pulling it off in sync with other dancers at the END of a long set of moves that were basically high impact aerobics and 1920’s cocaine jazz. It was some hard coin.

[@DefensiveLettuce]

PLEASE make a bonus video highlighting all the various connections that you told yourself you don’t delve into 😂 SUPER interested and wanna see that web lol

[@andreyamatthew2035]

Lover this analysis🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 and all the connections! I would so be here for the 6 degrees breakdown of it all!

[@MikeLeePapi]

Hour long FD video about hip hop is what I love to see on a day off.

[@amandachaves9527]

Your hip-hop alternate universe hypothetical just hit the right spot for me as a millenial, a nerd, and a music fan. 🤣

[@ToreyBurksSr]

What amazing commentary. My first time watching one of your videos and I'm impressed, brother. Thank you from a new fan in Little Rock

[@joshmaclean8206]

Excellent, as always. Keep going!

[@Phished123]

Full Force taking promo photos that make them look like wrestling stable not a R&B group, the 80s were crazy.

[@SuperMarioBrosIII]

@Phised123 They were also part of Lisa Lisa and Cult Jam weren't they? There song from House Party wasn't on the soundtrack CD!🤔🤗💽👍

[@still730bf]

​@@SuperMarioBrosIII Yea it was‼️Full Force's title track "House Party" was Da 4th track on Da Soundtrack... 💯

[@SuperMarioBrosIII]

@@still730bf I was talking about there other hit song Ain't My Type Of Hype. It's not on the Soundtrack CD or cassette? 13 tracks and left that one off the CD? 🤔🙄🤨🙆

[@vinttint]

Slightly younger person here, just popping in to let you know how influential the House Party trilogy and Class Act was to young Millennials/Older Gen Z. We deadass still hit the Kid N' Play dance quite regularly. And not too long ago it trended bc BTS did it and a bunch of young GenZ, KPop kids pretended that they definitely knew what it was lol. All that to say, I can't name any songs but play anything from those soundtracks and you got us word for word.

[@sonikku956]

I'm an old Gen Z guy and I tried doing part of the Kid n Play dance all the time back in the day, it's iconic! Genuinely one of the best dance routines in hip hop.

[@Nikimouse311]

Ahhhh millennial here (29, about to turn 30) and I met my longtime bf at a house party in which he was doing the Kid N’ Play with a friend back in 2012😂.

[@jessejordache1869]

The soundtrack is mostly "Full Force", who are the guys who played the bullies to kid n' plays nerds. "Ain't my type of hype" is still kind of a classic. I think that's actually the song playing in the background when they do the dance.

[@professorxaviour3649]

@@jessejordache1869this is not true! Toe to toe, funhouse, and a lot of the background music in between scenes are kid n play songs! Along with the rap battle! And the rap scene at the sorority party!

[@jessejordache1869]

@@professorxaviour3649 Oh, I know that -- I said "most of the songs" when I really meant "most of the songs that aren't Kid n' Play or immediately recognizable as another artist (PE)". "You look so fine (you look so fine) Ain't my type of hype baby" that song gets stuck in my head. I just decided to play it on my echo. I think I"ve seen that movie at least 20 times. That and "This is Spinal Tap" have been my "introduction to my friends' inside jokes" movies that I watch with new girlfriends forever.

[@rantanamo]

Thank you for this video my brother. Enjoyed it. Great perspectives.

[@Chess4lyfe]

Good job my guy, I only had two corrections that weren’t too significant 😂😂😂😂 you had your facts, history, the editing (I’m an editor so I can always appreciate the level of detail, talent, and time it takes to make long-form content) all 💯 SUBSCRIBED. And I’ll check out Nebula too. Well done!👍🏾

[@jeanclaudevanswag]

Unrelated, but my super Eastern-European father’s favorite movie is House Party. It was one of the first American movies he ever watched; he was in the country for a year at this point and knew like 30 English words max, but somehow the movie just instantly clicked w/ him

[@nedisahonkey]

Thats adorable.

[@hectorsjourneys8249]

Kid N Play’s murder by the rise of gangsta rap is literally word for word that 80s black guys vs 90s black guys skit from Family Guy.

[@inquisitorialllama638]

My, God. You're right!

[@cpthetrucker9067]

Kid N Play MC Hammer The Fresh Prince Arrested Development Etc. Gangsta Rap swallowed them up and made them extinct-in the exact same way Grunge did 80s Rock.

[@blackdragon6]

​@@cpthetrucker9067 eh, Arrested Development's down fall came from them being too preachy and lacking empathy for the black community. Todd in Shadows has a great video essay about them.

[@themostsecretscience6409]

​@@blackdragon6 in hindsight Speech was fucking 100% correct. Black people are today what they warned.

[@user-fu9hc3oi3l]

Hey man, broken clocks are right twice a day.

[@HardyNahtal]

Thanks for the video!! I love all the extra stuff(as I hear "Not like coming into my Brooklyn window)

[@dixiecroft6662]

I appreciate your straightfoward, informative presentation. Respectful, honest, without frills or grit. Thank you. I will be viewing more of your videos.

[@alexv6068]

Hip Hop deep dive.... on a monday? FD you the greatest

[@lilamendez10]

It's always funny knowing rappers like Play and Luther Campbell were more gangster in real life than a most gangster rappers in the 80s and 90s. Dr Dre found that out when he and Snoop were in Miami after disrespecting Uncle Luke

[@larrybryant8953]

Just like MC Hammer... Hammer is real og from the bay. Gangsters are scared of Hammer

[@nmbr1son64]

​@@larrybryant8953Suge Knight feared MC Hammer.

[@jsmacks11]

I always thought Luke was gangster though. Kid gave an interview saying how they would open up for NWA and was cool with them. And NWA wanted them to open up for them to make their shows more marketable as if they were all Gangster they would have a harder time securing gigs.

[@jsmacks11]

​@larrybryant8953 I wouldn't say Hammer is Gangsta but if you think about it, Hammer put his neighborhood on, so if someone dissed Hammer, the neighborhood would be on their heads. Also Hammer was a pretty athletic guy, who the average Joe probably wouldn't want to square up with anyway.

[@BlackHattoriHanzo]

​@@jsmacks11 hammer punked redman and had 3rd bass fearing for they lives tho.

[@georgerivera6970]

Sir, I stumbled upon your video a few minutes ago and your commentary is fantastic. You and I are about the same age and even though I'm not black, I am totally cognizant of all of your references in regards to Hip Hop. And I love the way you brought in philosophy into your social commentary within this subject. This is one reason why I love KZbin is to find interesting individuals like you. You have a new subscriber!

[@nesticle]

Clicked on a curiosity, and an hour later I really have to say I appreciate your perspective on this group and this place in time. Its obvious this video is well researched, well documented, and well presented. Thank you.

[@borkfork2723]

@19:08 I'm so glad you caught yourself using the Hard R I was very offended

[@TheDreRock]

FD, I have committed the cardinal sin. I thrifted a really nice oversized-tee a couple years ago, which has grown to be my favorite shirt. I wear it all the time. When you showed Onyx, my heart froze. The text…the colors…the logo. My favorite shirt….is merch. And I had no idea. In my 24 years on this earth I have never felt so much shame

[@pathead9944]

Now you just gotta check out the music. ONYX is dope. One of my top five favorite rap groups of all time

[@Robstafarian]

I grew up wearing the merch of bands I did not know, at least the second person to wear them, and I was so happy to get my own new, tie-dyed Bob Marley shirt at the end of the '90s that I still have that self-destructed bunch of cotton.

[@RadTigers]

I never saw the Kid ‘n Play movies when they came out but I remember everyone doing the Kid ‘n Play dance. The only thing I remember about Kid was that he was on Sister Sister

[@MissOJAY]

@F.D Signifier these edits and drop ins are 🔥🔥🔥. I was literally watching and laughing every single 2mins. Especially the Jada and Pac efit with Will on the side

[@w4439]

youtube-to-mp4 websites fighting for their lives this morning 😂

[@deadstabb4941]

Lmao, ppl who use the command line have nuthin to worry about

[@Oncopoda]

How do you mean?

[@louisvelazquez29]

​@@deadstabb4941 I never thought about using the command line to make an MP4 of this new Kendrick AI diss. This is new game for me.

[@sp.2778]

what going on? don’t tell me yall downloading that AI mess from Drake

[@Nanook128]

Could I get some context?

[@n0tthemessiah]

I love the fact that when you say Salt-N-Pepa there's about a 50% chance you unintentionally code-switch for a moment.

[@peppigue]

50% salt 50% pepa

[@whateverman4945]

and didn't edit that out instead

[@BoogieBoogsForever]

What's code switch?

[@deadforever]

​@@BoogieBoogsForever changing your language according to context- often with people of a different class. Like us in Scotland who speak one way at home and another when there's an English person around

[@nsnow92]

​@@BoogieBoogsForevereveryone does it too. It's that different way of speaking depending on where you are/who you are speaking with. Talking with your boss vs. talking with a coworker you're friendly with vs. talking with friends vs. talking with your partner. All of those different interactions you use different tones and phrases than in others. Sometimes you're more formal or informal. It's also when people "speak black" vs. "speak white"

[@somethingdifferent4u247]

Excellent video 💯

[@jamescarter6676]

Dope take on the whole plant convo!! I lived this era and its my teenage yrs, in music format!! You are definitely spot on!!

[@ryanhalien8468]

The box cut with a mullet that dude from full force had was undefeated, what a psychotic style lol

[@SeanMcmillan-jc6te]

George Clinton had that way before Paul Anthony.

[@SeanMcmillan-jc6te]

George Clinton had his hair cut like that way before Paul Anthony.

[@maxfortina]

1) From an Adorno scholar : amazing ref and explication of what culture industry means. Awesome. 2) "... especially Drake" killed me.

[@afrosamourai400]

I screamed at the specially drake part..lmfao!!!!

[@user-cd9tw3qk2u]

❤❤❤❤ absolutely awesome video dude, liked & subscribed, awesome info i didnt know

[@Y81715]

Well produced and written, glad I saw it to the end

[@Andrew-gq2ot]

The real industry plants were Milli Vanilli Back then I was still a Funk-a-teer. Still into 70s R&B then the Smooth Jazz Format came out. As far as Disco it was cool at first until it went mainstream got watered down and narrowed to one beat. Most people listening to Rap were jr & high school kids. I didnt really get into Rap until around 1987-88-- Ice-T, NWA, Eric B & Rahkim, Public Enemy , Boogie Down Productions ect to me thats when Rap had matured. You had a variety of Rap from De La Soul, PM Dawn, Kwane, Red Head Kingpin, Salt & Peppa, Nice n smooth to Gangsta & Black Consciousness Rap that was more hardline. We had fun then.

[@Na2Ocean]

I didn’t grow up with any of this music but Milli Vanillinwere the first in mind as industry plants too lol

[@Lily-cm3nj]

Now rap is mostly garbage and nonsense with the exception of a few real ones.

[@Thespeedrap]

Milli Vanilli was very terrible they couldn't even sing.😅

[@brandonkarm9092]

Excellent breakdown and critique of past and present hip hop! Great Job!

[@aristotletheskull]

Super dope documentary...love it! I really enjoyed your prospect and the "He who shall not be named" line was funny as hell 🤣 Great job Sir! 👍🏽👊🏽

[@antjesseharrismusic]

Was a bit surprised MC Hammer wasn't mentioned. I remember his cartoon vividly but hadn't thought about the Kid n Play cartoon since I watched it as a toddler lol. The magic talking shoes were such a selling point lmao

[@chezoso4513]

Man you got some great covers enjoyed checking your stuff out

[@lovelynn_96]

Agreed. As a kid that was a huge MC Hammer fan, It's incredibly disheartening to see EVERYONE leaving him out of the ALL Hip Hop conversations and tributes. 😔

[@TreeHairedGingerAle]

😳 Oh shit, yeah, you're right. I remember he was HUGE! Too Legit was wild

[@venicec3310]

Mc hammer wasnt an industry plant he was really about it

[@antjesseharrismusic]

@@venicec3310 but to the idea that once he got signed to big label, his brand was leveraged heavily for the sole purpose of profit I think puts him in a boat worth mentioning.

[@cgumxfymry9932]

still waiting for the Tyler Perry video unc

[@marquisdesade3025]

Bump

[@KabbalahSherry]

Oooh yes we need that 😌💯

[@michalapalmer8874]

Oh……

[@whoisslade45]

It’ll last like 10 minutes in the ether lol

[@Ooklathemok3]

The streets need it

[@marcgreen6644]

Okay dude ima send this to my folks… you told A lot of questions about things. THANK YOU ❤❤❤ good video Mane

[@chefp0l065]

You make great content I especially love this video a lot

[@_KayBee_]

I remember Circuit City at Evergreen Mall. Good old days.

[@Cincinnatijames]

Circuit City and Bestbuy competing got new CDs down to like $11.99-13.99

[@nellywilliams2776]

Radio Shack, FYE

[@KabbalahSherry]

It was Camelot Music when I was young 😅

[@damiandarc8643]

Sam Goody, Strawberries, Tower Records…

[@wtfsamusidk7574]

Tallahassee Circuit City have like a little deli in it, good times

[@AdrienneAboyoun]

disco had its own arc of starting out as an underground, low-key revolutionary movement coming out of the hippie and gay liberation movements in the early 70s, corporate money getting involved in the mid-70s, legit classics being dropped in the late 70s, before violently flaming out in 1979. I know this video is about hip-hop, but I'm a disco nerd and disco doesn't get enough credit! The early house parties that started the genre, especially those hosted by DJ David Mancuso, were explicitly non-commercial spaces, and one of the few places queer people could dance, as most clubs prohibited it. Early clubs were similarly run, and disco was dominated by black, brown, and queer folks, both as performers and club-goers. Even Studio 54, the height of the genre selling out and letting everyone have a piece of it, remained a safe space for queer people and routinely denied admission to groups of straight men. Great video, just wanted to give disco her flowers, she doesn't get enough love :). Also this is a nitpick but I'm pretty sure you used footage from Saturday Night Fever to make your point about disco, which is cool, it's one of my favourite movies, but it's wildly inaccurate - it whitens and straightens disco culture, and the author of the article the film is based on admitted he made most of it up based on his time in the mod subculture in the UK.

[@africkinamerican]

John Travolta is straight?!😄

[@jamesclark8931]

Hey brother i just came across your content this am and I'm happily subscribed now great content bro!!!

[@AnneLives81]

Seeing the old clips of Kid n' Play seriously just make me smile. They were both so likeable.

[@Kallah_DaughterOfYAHUAH]

I love how this just completely diverged from a hiphop plant video into the history of Kid & Play video 😂

[@batgirlp5561]

Thinking the same thing. Clickbait

[@earhearthush-up5549]

I’m not even mad about it either, I’ve seen House Party and thought it was hella fun but I never knew all this history!

[@calypso4882]

​@@batgirlp5561it's not clickbait. He drew you in with the video you thought you wanted to see. Then explained to you as gently as possible that the term "industry plant" is a bogus one in the way that it is normally applied. Like he said, as soon as Run DMC took the Adidas money, everyone is an industry plant.

[@KUREHA3D]

@@calypso4882 and this is clear!! some people are determined to miss a point no matter what.

[@prestonpfeiffer]

That period of 1989-1993 def is a world unto itself. Its such a beautiful hybrid of remnants of the 80s and molding of the 90s. Music,Movies,Wrestling,Television…I live for that period

[@PLFMM]

This analysis is comprehensive and genuine…..you got my sub!

[@reginaldthomas1838]

Sup Bro, I'm from Baltimore West Side, I'm 60 now, your content on Hip Hop is so refreshing, I was there when it all started, everything you embody into your content on it is facts, every artist you've mentioned I've met thru my own contribution to the culture, thank you for breaking it down for today's era, they need to know where it all came from in order to understand WHY it's been damn near ran in the ground! Thank you.

[@justinharris2320]

Wow, I didn't know people considered Chance the Rapper an industry plant.

[@lodeci]

Hell yeah, the term really picked up steam when he began to blow up

[@You_work_tomorrow]

@@lodeciI think the term has been around and popular a long time…

[@deshaunx776]

It's because he isn't. How can you be an industry plant when you don't even belong to a record label? Just making shit up smh

[@slickandslaycious6579]

@@deshaunx776that way they can make the term mean nothing, cast suspicion on people doing good, and distract from the real plants

[@MONET8iAM]

They started saying that after Coloring Book was released exclusively through Apple Music.

[@3tp]

If industry plants were as much of a thing as people think, the industry would plant every artist that they sign.

[@jlatbyplanetdesign358]

That part!

[@krryroney]

Facts

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

It's an evolving art. Once a good tactic is known, everyone is going to do it. So, yeah... it's just marketing.

[@clarenceoverstreet882]

Every. Single. Artist.

[@showmestatefinest5412]

Most are planted. Every big artist had ties to the industry and are given a fake back story

[@ignoranceisnotablessing615]

Subscribed!! good stuff. I tripped up a lot too, trying too that damn leg jump..

[@Toe4sho]

Rock with your channel. I can see the time you put into the subject matter through the content.

[@T.H.E.O.R.Y.]

It's always a good day when F.d drops. Thanks for gracing us with another hit.

[@CloutChaserMagazine]

You're one of the most consistent creators on this platform right now man. Keep it up.

[@circumarc]

Even when I disagree with FD, I still love his perspective.

[@rpols22]

Yo, I died laughing when FD presented that 2 Live Crew dis song title. Everyone is still talking bout Drake and Kendrick battle but man.... I gotta hear this dis track.

[@gorillaxrich]

Great video... Was captivated the whole time...

[@DeannaJacksonDJsDelectables]

"House Party", Kid N Play, and that entire era of hip hop was my early childhood!

[@Indyawillis85]

Same. It was a fun time 😊

[@GizzyDillespee]

There was a ton of real hip-hop at that time. The Puerto Rican kid who lived 1 floor above me used to blast Spanish rap - there was just as much of THAT - at the same time as kid'n'play. But you had to live in a city, otherwise all you could get was commercial radio and MTV... which meant gatekeepers had to approve of it before listeners could hear it. Fresh prince and kidnplay were brand culture.

[@GizzyDillespee]

I posted that to point out that before the internet, most people only had access to musicians who did brand deals, or were trying to. You couldn't bring up any music on a handheld device, like you can now.

[@Thespeedrap]

I wonder if they had stayed relevant I wonder where mainstream Hip-hop would sound like if Gangster rap never existed. Who knows🤔

[@rahjawright-bey7542]

1.Rollin With Kid n Play 2.Gettin Funky, 3.Too Hype 4. Do This My Way.. Don't do my guys like that Bro🤣😂..They rightfully put in work & earned their spot in Hip Hop history 💯

[@lawrencemoore3863]

@rahjawright-bey7542 don't forget the battle rap in House Party. Who was that,the choreographer, that kid was trying to date in the movie said she seen them writing their rhymes and when one would out do the other they would go back and write more rhymes, she said they were serious about their craft

[@jamingjohnson2275]

Dude doesn't know what he's talking about. Can you play where the s***. They did that thing. They helped make it cool, and gave a lane and it Hip Hop for the individuals who like to dress up, and dance.

[@Elsoltero_Feliz]

He doesn't know shit about kid n play 😂😂😂🤦‍♂️

[@GoodLook911]

Im confused???.how were kid and play industry plants???...maybe u dnt understand the definition of such....they were nothing like 69...Rick Ross...Ice Spice...etc

[@Chocolate-84]

You did a very good job with this video 🙌🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@ReshonBryant]

Ikr? Like, everybody at Black highschools are gangsta huh? Nobody's interested in Rocket science huh?💀💀💀💀

[@robertblackmore703]

I lived through this era as a teen and think you’ve done a commendable job representing it and explaining how it worked, and then didn’t for these dudes. I’m going to have to back and rewatch House Party, it’s been a minute.

[@fredskull1618]

House Party 2 had one cultural touchstone: the phrase “Pajama Jammy-Jam”

[@Rolandeee]

This was SOOOO good. So so good. And pls. Drop the extended director’s cut of the Hip Hop tangents!!

[@thoegerhansen5085]

I would love to see that director's cut as well as a whole other video about Beat Street. The statement at about 29:55 about House Party being "the first hip hop culture movie" caught my attention. I have always thought that about Beat Street. I guess maybe it did not have a lot of money behind it, but ultimately it was a Hollywood product, wasn't it? I have watched Wild Style maybe 25 times but it is the opposite of a Hollywood product.

[@lillijaye634]

I feel like house party was on comedy central constantly when I was a kid.

[@katsomeday1]

I just happened across your video and this was fantastic! I'll be subscribing on Nebula to you. I feel old. I knew who it was when I saw the thumbnail. I totally agree that there is room in the genre for a wide variety. We need the heavy political and the ridiculous fun stuff and everything between. It gets boring to to stick to just one style. Also, House Party was a fun watch. One thing regarding Run-DMC that I think helped introduce white kids to them, that people forget, was their appearance on Reading Rainbow. I know it's silly and dorky, but that show was great and LeVar Burton had a real impact. It was one of the few 80's kids shows that showcased rap that wasn't cringe to listen to. I have no problem with an artist making money; the great renaissance painters made what they did because rich people paid them to. My issue is corporations taking almost all the profits and squeezing the artists until they're used up, just like they do with anyone working for them. And putting their thumb down on them when an artist tries to take a chance on artistically evolving.

[@seangreen6456]

Kid and Play taught me how to estimate the size of a room without a measuring tape. I have used their method every time I have painted a room for the last 30+ years

[@shamargreen3388]

😅lmao

[@243yannik9]

what's the method? signed, a 2002 kid😂😅

[@billclinton1235]

​@@243yannik9 Waiting for the method

[@TheRealSykx]

@@billclinton1235 yo I'm in, what's that method

[@seangreen6456]

@@243yannik9 I'm so glad you asked. If you stretch your arms out the distance is roughly equal to your height (for me, right around 6ft). You make your way around the room using your arms as a measuring tool. Then multiply by the ceiling height, usually 8 or 10 ft. That is your rough square footage for the walls of the room. A gallon of paint covers about 400ft. So you take your total and divide by 400 and round up. The result is how many gallons of paint you need for one coat of paint. They do a whole song, it's more entertaining than my version.

[@adnaloy9025]

Plants RUINED Hip Hop! "Rap is not pop, if you call it that then STOP!" - Tip from Check The Rhime. We lost control of the narrative and now the genre SUCKS! I can't stand the industry and a lot of the new stuff is garbage.

[@seanyoung9014]

These kids now will argue with you that pop influence made hip hop better and as long as you're making money and gaining followers, it shouldn't matter how you do it.

[@healthierwealthierwiser8090]

Whatcha say Hammer? 😂

[@adriennerobinson1180]

Yes Truth Indeed Ugh

[@mtccrazy889]

"A lot of people get RAP and Hip-Hop mixed up. It`s two totally different things. When you say RAP, you say a mc and the dj. When you say Hip-Hop, you say graffiti, you say breakdancing, you say djs, you say emcees, the way you dress, the way you talk, all the elements into one. That`s Hip-Hop." - Grand Wizard Theodore

[@jboystatus]

Great video bro! I learned alot