Exposing how the EV movement is DESTROYING the car market. A podcast.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

KZbin tried to put ELEVEN adverts in this video but I manually deleted most of them. I'd rather you enjoy the content as much as possible even if it costs me money. CHAPTERS 00:01 intro 01:16 the sills were made of tinfoil and filler 03:58 where is the ev market at right now? 08:50 how to manipulate values on autotrader 15:50 are autotrader in on it? Why don’t they act? 18:22 all these unsold EVs sold… what happens next? 24:38 what happened to the 2 year wait for the iD Buzz….? 25:34 Quentin Wilson and the 'nutjob' comment 26:30 do EVs really never need tyres, discs or pads? 30:55 pro ev people - is it a cult? 32:50 how to shift excess cars, the RIGHT way 34:46 the problem with Jeep Cherokee 4.0 Automatics and how to fix it! 37:57 are EVs selling for OVER book value? No, that’s a lie 40:56 why isn’t the industry standing up for itself? 44:10 why the introduction of diesel cars was so different to the arrival of EVs 50:51 why do we both do this?

[@xperyskop2475]

If your flowers didn't have to spend cash at petrol stations, they could afford youtube premium.

[@Crosshatch1212]

You know of any good valves going geoff my mates looking for one he has a clip in good knick ,

[@Crosshatch1212]

​@xperyskop2475 I ain't no flower bro 😂😂

[@tommy-trump-1967]

love listening to people as knowledgable as this guest , no substitute for experience , topclass ty

[@belowme4927]

Chinese EV fire EPIDEMIC - MGUY EV News 15 September 2024 | MGUY Australia

[@MargyLong]

I went with my brother to re-new his motability car, we insisted on petrol car. The frosty reception we got was laughable and there were only two petrol options. We took it regardless of their pestering and hostility !!! I also got on my soap box and asked them if they knew about the child labour used to mine metals for the batteries, we were greeted with blank faces so I pulled it up on my phone. Well the shrugging of shoulders was audible... Disgusting.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

pop me an email about this experience

[@orrbugger]

I’m due to renew my Motability car soon. The deposit prices are really high now. I want to keep the car I’ve got, I love it. There is nothing similar on the website.

[@jimdee9801]

After covid i realised the masses are mostly arse holes, sorry I can't think of a milder term that fits

[@COIcultist]

@@orrbugger What is the crack, keeping the money and finding a tame mechanic and coming to a sales and maintenance agreement. I realise you probably won’t be able to service the vehicle yourself, prompt servicing repairs and a courtesy vehicle are all important. I bet someone could fulfil those needs with no mileage limitation and for a lot less per month.

[@orrbugger]

@@COIcultist I was trained as a mechanic and always used to maintain my own vehicles in the past. This is stress free. It does cost a lot though. As well as the deposit, it’s £60 per week. I don’t drive that much anymore. 6000 miles in 4 years. I don’t have to worry about tax, insurance, mot, maintenance. That’s all included. It’s a Niro Phev. I’ve only filled it with petrol twice in that time. Charge at home. Never used a public charger. So I wouldn’t go full ev. Lovely car to drive. I was looking at going back to 2nd hand cars but the whole point of Motability is it’s completely hassle free.

[@frasercrone3838]

I have just come home to Australia from Los Angeles where I stayed in a hotel overlooking a shopping mall carpark that had 25 EV chargers. They we're all labeled as fast chargers. I would get back to the hotel around 6pm most evenings and every charger would be taken except for 3 that I later found had been broken for months. There was also a line of cars waiting of about 10 cars. I went to bed about 10.30 most nights and the line of cars was always there but by bed time was around 20 to 30 cars. The last night I was there I wandered over to talk to an owner and he told me its like this all the time and at other stations in the area. They buy Ev's to save money on fuel but they live in apartments and don't have charging there and the buildings owners will not allow it. They even tried to make their tenants park their cars on the street because they did not want to pay extra insurance premiums due to fire risk but that turned out to be illegal under city regulations. These people were not wealthy people and they had borrowed money to buy the cars and now found they would take a big hit if they sold it/ The charging takes so long because the grid in the area cuts the charging rate back if the demand is to high and of course as more people get home more demand is put on the grid and the chargers get slower. So it seems that the road to electric utopia is not paved in gold and that many of the infrastructure warnings being made buy engineers were correct. Here in Australia we are seeing a surge in BEV sales because for the previous three years we got almost no supply as they were being directed to other markets. Now those markets have tanked we suddenly have good supply but with our longer distances to travel there are already tales of woe about vehicles falling short of estimated range and not being able to find a charger working on the route. Listening to you two I wonder how many cars coming to OZ might be UK cars that can't sell. We don't have the same registration method as you so our plates don't tell you the exact age of the car only the vin number can do that, Sorry for being long winded.

[@billytollerton4220]

Great info buddy,👌👍

[@SoulTouchMusic93]

If the grid won't even support the handful of ev's we have now imagine if all the cars are electric. Some people said "we're fine, it would only increase load by 10% on the grid because industry uses a lot of power". Turns out there isn't enough power.

[@pauldowney6856]

Be as long-winded as you like, some very valuable information thanks for posting

[@speteydog2260]

Well if I were going to spend that much money to buy a car, I would certainly think about it and consider all the practicality of it. I knew from the beginning I did not want one. For one thing I don’t have patience to wait around for it to charge. For another I have no interest in finding out where the chargers are. Cars originally made our lives easier. Not harder.

[@ericrawson2909]

"the infrastructure warnings being made buy engineers were correct. " Engineer here. You should listen to engineers, not sales and marketing people and governments. But some engineers are cult members and their job depends on saying the right thing. It's so important to know how a person makes their money before you believe anything they say.

[@artemisboat]

good to hear a honest dealer explaining problems with trade

[@QuantumDan]

lol.. "honest" dealer. What a joke 😂

[@airstrip1836]

An honest dealer who tricks his customers into thinking there is a shortage of cars!​@@QuantumDan

[@gavinbissell8847]

You will own nothing and you will be happy. It's to stop car ownership totally and have everyone renting

[@user-zz9gn2dc3l]

Yes. They want us all trapped.

[@JackOfski]

Only if you let them.

[@user-zz9gn2dc3l]

@@JackOfski Exactly. Non compliance is the way forward.

[@sempereadem54eadem64]

Spot on

[@tcaudiobooks737]

@@JackOfski Yeah, I wish people would stop parroting their phrases. They love it when you do that.

[@morganthunder290]

😂😂😂 Net Zero is the biggest con ever invented.

[@seamusobrien2675]

Maybe A Bridge Too Far. It may be doable but electric individual expensive unable to be recycled cars, fueled by electricity made with fossil fuels are part of the problem not part of the solution. Classic green washing.

[@anonnona8099]

@morganthunder290 > Net Zero is the biggest con ever invented. How would you possibly know?

[@hustlingandbustling]

It's this damn global cooling, we need to burn more fossil fuels, quik!

[@shankzi1]

It's actually a really clever way to tax the peasants, all this green initiatives are a form of tax. ULEZ, net zero, global warming. How do I know it's a tax, none of the revenue gained from it goes to saving the planet or research for global warming (warmest time in the last 1000 years was actually in 1100, who was burning oil then? )

[@macflod]

Because EVs are not that carbon zero. They actually quite carbon polluting to make

[@rocketmunkey1]

I think the reason why EV owners get very defensive about EV's is because they've invested so much money in them, they don't want to admit they've been robbed ! its the same psychology as people who have a cheating partner or people who keep falling for junk mail scams, or those addicted to gambling they don't know how to cut their loses and get very angry at anyone who tries to persuade them to.

[@piggypiggypig1746]

They've also vested heavily in pushing the "message" at cocktail parties that they now have no choice but to double down.

[@rocketmunkey1]

@@piggypiggypig1746 Lol Yeah theres a heavy element of that too, people don't like to admit when they're wrong because they think they'll get pounced on and never hear the end of it if they do, especially if they've been virtue signalling and evangelising a lot

[@paulsimpson8990]

Such insight into the psychology of EV owners 😂 how would you analyse those who cant think for themselves for fear of being on the outer with their ice mates like you?

[@paulnewman9275]

​@@paulsimpson8990Most EV owners are pretty limited regards critical thought capability tbh ...unless given them as a company car , why? No one yet has supplied a good solid reason.

[@paulsimpson8990]

@@paulnewman9275 generalise much? How on earth would you know what Most EV owners are like 😂

[@lesliecarter4295]

We all have to thank Quentin Weasel for destroying the car industry…?

[@BobCarolgees-p8f]

No , under communism you do what you are told .. and "they " do what they like

[@SharpblueCreative]

Add in a certain android from a comedy british sci fi show as well.

[@lesliecarter4295]

@@SharpblueCreative yes. He played a complete W⚓️in that show. Now he is doing it in real life…😂😂

[@oojimmyflip]

When you have as much money as he does paid by the BBC extortionate wages for rattling your jaw in jeans and a leather jacket you just have to throw your money into something and you probably don't care who gets hurt along the way.

[@DaleSteel]

Seriously you think he has that power?

[@BeaHindebars]

I'm not even interested in cars but I found this discussion fascinating, thank you.

[@MyScottyboy1]

I am 54 and have never driven a car but find this fascinating, too. My gut feeling is that the EV will be a failure not mentioned in the history books of the future.

[@bentullett6068]

​@@MyScottyboy1it's history repeating. In 1920's America Americans had choices of either electric, steam or internal combustion power. Steam even though it was smooth was hard to maintain and electric was great up until the point the batteries failed and people realised it took ages to charge. Internal combustion won due to its infrastructure being easy to install, fuel and run.

[@anonnona8099]

@BeaHindebars > I'm not even interested in cars but I found this discussion fascinating, thank you. You'll find precious little truth, though. I find Waiting For Godot fascinating, but I have the sense not to regard it as a documentary.

[@AnnieRed66]

Opinions are like arseholes...everyone's got one.

[@BeaHindebars]

@@anonnona8099 who knows what truth is? It's an interesting discussion regardless

[@elkoposo686]

News for you - North East of England Vauxhall dealerships have "been told" ICE cars are not for sale! Electric only! Customers already walking away, to find their ICE cars elsewhere... It's fundamentally about 'electric control of the masses'... "Masses being; the few privileged and allowed access to road drive 'independent' vehicles, of which there will be very, very few... To a much smaller population of buyers... Think on... "You'll own nothing (if you've survived the medical slaughterhouses) and be happy"...

[@DwaynePipes]

All of the dealerships?!

[@thomasreilly6362]

In theory they shouldn't have any problem buying an ICE vehicle. There are 2 million 2024 built ICE vehicle unsold in the world.

[@anonnona8099]

@elkoposo686 > News for you - North East of England Vauxhall dealerships have "been told" ICE cars are not for sale! > Electric only! Customers already walking away, to find their ICE cars elsewhere... > It's fundamentally about 'electric control of the masses'... News for you - it's not about that at all. Whoever told you that was either deliberately lying to you or was simply too stupid to understand the truth. Either way, don't listen to them, they cannot be trusted to tell you anything of value. > "Masses being; the few privileged and allowed access to road drive 'independent' vehicles, of which > there will be very, very few... To a much smaller population of buyers... Think on... "You'll own nothing > (if you've survived the medical slaughterhouses) and be happy"... Did the same liar or stupid idiot tell you those things too? Don't listen to him - he does not have your interests at heart.

[@chrisslaterwalker]

So you're saying that the dealerships you mention are part of this conspiracy to prevent car ownership?

[@sevesellors2831]

Probably why their market share has plummeted.

[@gavinparry5426]

When the likes of Ford are scrapping Fiesta and Focus you just know there is trouble ahead !

[@seamusmcmahon1182]

They need to go f y to government and climate change groups and go back to plain simple petrol and diesel cars. Vans lorries machinery etc

[@macflod]

Focus is getting scrapped?

[@davebarron5939]

Great interview Geoff, your natural abilities shine through, mostly you do what most cant, you LISTEN, and don't talk over your guest. Cheers!

[@anonnona8099]

@davebarron5939 > Great interview Geoff, your natural abilities shine through, mostly you do what most cant, you LISTEN, An interesting notion. Because when it comes to reading, those of us who care about truth, and evidence, and facts, could fill a long list of things he's "reported" which are total fantasies based on him being unable, or unwilling to actually read the sources he bases his lies on.

[@WillBecker]

Two old farts who love broom broom noises and know that EVs mean the diminishing of their huge and profitable car maintenance and repair businesses

[@timhicks2154]

Modern cars are full of things that nobody ever wanted, nobody ever asked for and nobody needs.

[@tested211]

Last MOT our 25 year old Focus sailed through (again). I asked the mechanic: "It's getting pretty old now, we just want the most reliable car, should we get a new one?". His reply: "No, new cars have a lot more systems and points of failure, the likelihood of some kind of problem is higher with a new car". Mate who works for the RAC said the same thing.

[@jsanders100]

Such as?

[@peteconrad2077]

Nice own goal. EVs are simpler and have few points if failure than older cars even. I have a 10 year old Nissan Leaf. All I’ve ever spent on is tyres and screen wash. Still using its original brake pads. Costs less to own than a motorbike. Cheaper to run and more reliable than your FOCUS.

[@timhicks2154]

@@jsanders100 - all unnecessary electrical gizmos that will eventually fail.

[@timhicks2154]

@@peteconrad2077 - very cheap until it needs a new battery.

[@mattp1680]

The misinformation on EV's is the biggest problem, that's why I follow Barry on Twitter he's right on point. EV's of course have their place and although I can't see myself ever owning one I don't hate them, but the country is not ready for a switch to full EV and I honestly don't think it will be in my lifetime. Great talk, you 2 should do more content together 👍

[@totalutternutter]

EV's are like a bit like vaccines and smart meters, if the government weren't so strongly insistent that we all must have them, the idea wouldn't be met with such hostility.

[@QuantumDan]

Yeah, stick to riding horses you muppet

[@rosen9425]

as always, politics manipulating the market leaves a wake of problems for everyone else to deal with

[@matswessling6600]

how is the country not ready?

[@dannypatrick9361]

@@matswessling6600 Because the infrastructure isn't there. Obviously.

[@simonweakley3479]

Quentin Wilson is a big advocate of EV's. Of course he has a diesel Range Rover to go to his Chateau in central France and doesn't drive an EV himself. Look at the the experience of MAC Master with his Porsche Taycan, its lost £90k in 3 years! Ill stick with my Rover 75 and my classic Rover 800 Sterling until Labour bans them with ULEZ and pay per mile, then it will be a totally classic Rover P6 or a Wolseley 18/85 S.

[@markmanderson]

ooooh cant remember the last time i saw an 800 sterling ;) kudos mate.

[@anonnona8099]

@simonweakley3479 > Ill stick with my Rover 75 and my classic Rover 800 Sterling until Labour bans them with ULEZ You are aware, I take it, that London's ULEZ was the idea of a Conservative mayor, and the implementation of it was planned by a Conservative mayor, and it was only because he lost to Labour that it happened to be a Labour mayor in place when it was implemented? Or do you not care for truths like that?

[@jsanders100]

Wilson drives a Tesla, at least get that right.

[@kcu189]

Registration and dumping/hiding cars is a classic that happens in China for cars, e-bikes for hire fleets etc. all the time .

[@fbboringstuff]

More complex then that. They build cars so cheap and nasty and/or in such volume that the generous rebates pay for the production cost. Or those subsidies make the car effectively free while they last so you have cars that are 3 years old rotting in a feild unsalable as the true cost is suddenly realised at that point. much closer to what is happening in the UK

[@rosen9425]

@@fbboringstuff Those cars in China was never meant to be sold in the first place. It's government incentives fueling everything, fake-o-nomics. Massive environmental destruction and effort for literally no reason at all

[@Emppu_T.]

They're rotting on fields and lots deteriorating and leaking toxins in china. cars, scooters, bikes...

[@Emppu_T.]

​@@fbboringstuff in china they jump on pump and dump government schemes.

[@matswessling6600]

@@fbboringstuff😂 what drugs are you on?

[@simonweakley3479]

Labour destroyed BMC and Roots Motors Limited in 1968, then they destroyed MG Rover Group, not satisfied with that they are going for gold and destroying the whole of the car industry and the retailers with 800,000 jobs at risk. Soon there will 20 million of us out of work.

[@johnduffy8638]

Rover we're shite mate a gready management destroyed rover. Scottishjohn65

[@anonnona8099]

@simonweakley3479 > Labour destroyed BMC and Roots Motors Limited in 1968, Did they indeed. Can you explain in what way the Labour government got BMC etc to make carp cars and sell them at a loss? No - I didn't think you could.

[@nsweeney3970]

Brilliant chat, Barry is an absolute legend, could listen to him for hours. Really hope there'll be many more chats between you and Barry in the future.

[@alberttickle1106]

Just bought a BMW 218i Gran Coupe M Sport, auto.....petrol of course....!!!

[@BionicRusty]

Very nice. Enjoy 😉

[@xperyskop2475]

Enjoy olil changes , timing belts replacements , exhaust pipes replacements, clutch repairs, and petrol station visits . And keep your fingers crossed so thousands of parts that are shaken relentlessly by engine don't break.

[@ambiencelectronica]

How often is the exhaust replaced? Or the timing belt? How much does a mechanic charge for this work?

[@ambiencelectronica]

… just to compare the numbers over years etc

[@andyexuptaylor4503]

Why do you care if petrol works for him it's his choice and that's the point freedom of choice ​@@xperyskop2475

[@mhicks80]

Absolutely brilliant video! After 20 years in the trade, it's shocking what the future holds. His comments about brake disc condition through regen braking are absolutely terrifying!

[@paulnewman9275]

Car manufacturers know they have a massive problem with brakes on EV's ...many are insisting on regular inspections.....clown world

[@harrisonhealey1679]

I thought that brakes lasted longer on ev due to the motors regenerating when braking

[@mhicks80]

@harrisonhealey1679 they will do if they're not being used. Unfortunately, when brakes aren't used, they develop surface rust which drastically reduces their efficiency. As mentioned in the interview, the first time you'll realise is when you need to anchor on and your brakes won't bite. Next time you're at a dealership, have a look at the brake discs on the cars that have been stood. You'll see what I mean. Prior to handing over a car, we used to drive around with the brakes lightly on to scrape off any surface corrosion prior to the customer taking ownership of their new car.

[@paulnewman9275]

@@harrisonhealey1679 BMW got so worried about the brake condition on their EV's (even hybrid's) they made owners bring them in on a set schedule to have the brakes inspected. Brakes and excessive tyre wear ( due to EV weight and incredible torque) are big problems facing EV's and their owners - my brother-in-laws Tesla 3 Plaid gets through tires every 5-8,000 miles at £1200 a set

[@stevelovescars]

I had this happen on my Chevy Volt (PHEV). The friction brakes are barely used and I live in an area with a lot of snow and road salt. I had to replace the brake rotors due to excessive rust. If you have a plug in or EV, go out and regularly stomp on the brakes to keep them working and clean.

[@Daijyobanai]

Dealers: Last week we sold 1 EV, this week we sold 2. We sold 4000 ICE cars in that period. Headline: " EV sales up 200%! "

[@loonaticsrunningtheassylum]

What? Salesman being dishonest?? Who'd of thunk it 😜

[@jsanders100]

Evidence?

[@gtpete6363]

So you're going to just ignore that the Tesla model Y is the most popular car in China and many other markets. 65% of cars purchased in China are EVs.

[@WillBecker]

Just like to point out that Tesla model Y was the best selling car in the world last year, EVs already, after a decade, make up over 20% of the car market globally and more than 50% of the worlds largest car market.

[@eddiegremlin]

My current vehicle is a mild hybrid on 48,000 miles, it’s going in to the dealer to find out why the electric motor is overheating… diesel part is fine though…

[@user-zz9gn2dc3l]

Of course. I wouldn't touch an EV or hybrid with a barge pole! Dangerous for a start!

[@MarksCosmicAdventures]

"Things have been invented that didn't need inventing" - wisest words I've heard in ages. Brilliant. Thank you both 🙂

[@LOGOASSASSIN]

Auto Trader is being controlled.

[@WillBecker]

Sure buddy, all the disinformation money is on the side of EVs and not petro states, oil companies and legacy auto.

[@Yournamehere9160]

We ban ev plant from tunnel construction as we can't follow fire regs with them. If we can't follow fire regs then they should not be on ships or tunnels used by the public

[@elkoposo686]

Thus limiting again, in a differing stretch of capabilities where you can 'roam' and where you cannot 'roam'. It's all about communistic control. Electric - as those cute little Nick Park animals usta say about gas "it's very turn-on-and-affable"... It's not about climate changing it's about primate changing... Think on... ​ Go watch the interview from the '80s with the ex-Russian guy who draws out the very prophetic description of how 'the West' will be overtaken by communism... Nothing he says in that interview that isn't playing out across 'the West'... SMELL WAKING UP COFFEE???

[@chriscollins550]

​@@elkoposo686nothing to do with communism, it's called safety for people at work, lowering the risk of death is communism to you, say's a lot about how you think. Think of others not your self,

[@loonaticsrunningtheassylum]

@chriscollins550 what about the dangers of forcing EVs on the public when the public use tunnels and ferry crossings etc.... whilst in the work place EVs are banned because of the dangers in tunnels and on ferries.. the BIGGER picture that people seem incapable of thinking about is literally straight out of Karl's red book.

[@925greenb]

Another safty myth 😂

[@chriscollins550]

@@925greenb it's not a Myth. Go look it up. EV are not allowed to work down in mines in Australia because of the risk of fire. It's written under the Australian health and safety. There's also talk's within the UK government about making them illegal to drive on motorway because of them running out of power on dangerous roads. Last winter more EV lost battery power down to the cold on British motorways that it became a safety concern.

[@apislapis]

51:27 "Were you misled on your Motability claim?" Fortunately not. I ordered and cancelled a mk4 Citroen Berlingo 1.5 BlueHDI diesel on Motability. I wanted one so badly because I knew they would give me the independence to leave the house on my own. I was led to believe there was no rear bulkhead, then told there was, so my scooter wouldn't fit in the car. Neither Citroen, the dealer nor Motability would remove the bulkhead when asked. The eBerlingo has no such restriction because they want you to use your PIP to lease an EV in the first place. I don't have a drive way. So I cancelled it and bought a used Berlingo and had it converted to my needs instead. I was rather angry at the time because I thought that the Motability scheme was to help the disabled instead it is to help the manufacturers reach their EV targets. How thoroughly dispicable to use vulnerable people to meet quotas, to talk of independence only to find the range was a restiction on your mobility over a distance. A separate issue is the chargers, nearly all of them are designed for people who can stand, the weight of the charger cable is so difficult you to use, the recharging bays are littered with obstacles for wheelchair users and I wish Euan's Guide, Disabled Motoring UK magazine and any other disability organisation success in making the powers that be provide appropriate chargers for all users. I agree Geoff I can see the lawsuits coming. I attended Motability's Big Event at the NEC this year and the push for EV sales was repressive and they felt the need to re-educate (ahem) us about EVs and their benefits (for manufacurers). Scandalous.

[@DwaynePipes]

Is it the case that the diesel version had a bulkhead which nobody would remove but the EV version either didn't have a bulkhead or did have one but someone was prepared to remove it for you on Motability?

[@apislapis]

@@DwaynePipes Yes bulkheads for petrol and diesel Berlingo M models, none for EV. No-one wanted to remove the bulkhead for me as it would infringe EU emissions. Jeff Gosling, the hoist guys would not remove it, spoke to Motability and they said no as it would infringe insurance & emissions. I wanted the XL Berlingo but Citroen only make it for EV. The petrol & diesel models are registered as vans meaning that you can only do 60 mph legally on a motorway. It was such an unnecessarily complicated sales experience that I decided to give it a miss and bought a Berlingo from the Motability dealership which was easy peasy. In my case Motability was not fit for purpose. That's not to say it would not work for anyone else. If I had my time again I'd probably go for a WAV. More money up front but if you divide the cost for 5 years it works out comparable to a 3 year car deal.

[@DwaynePipes]

@@apislapis Thanks for the info. If you don't mind me asking, what is the difference between a WAV and what you were looking for initially, with the bulkhead issue?

[@apislapis]

@@DwaynePipes I have a large mobility scooter a Pride Revo 2.0. It's a heavy duty boot scooter that is recommended to take up to 26ish stone, I just don't tell it I'm 30 stone and it still works for me. It is much longer than a standard scooter and although it comes apart into pieces it has bent the power pins in the past and I've had to straighten them with pliers. Best to keep it in one piece. I use a Jeff Gosling electric hoist to lift it in the boot. When you hoist it in the Berlingo M you have to have the large back seat or left and centre seats in higher spec models, folded down to accommodate the scooter. The boot on its own with a rear bulkhead is not big enough to fit the scooter. With a WAV, (wheelchair access vehicle) you can lower the floor and drive the scooter in using a ramp. You need to secure it using the floor anchor points as you wouldn't want 90kgs of scooter to smack you in the rear if you break sharply. No need for an expensive hoist. Check out Allied Mobility, Sirus Mobility, Automtotive Group, Brook Miller, Alfred Bekker Mobility, GM Coachworks Mobility, Gowrings, Pickering Motability Co Ltd, McElmeel for example. It depends where you live on which service provider you can use.

[@DwaynePipes]

@@apislapis Thanks, that is a great explanation.

[@billheath7737]

I live in a hamlet, six miles from town. I'm retired and rarely drive more than 20 miles. I also have a driveway, so could charge at home. A small, inexpensive EV would appear to be ideal for me, even if only as a shopping trolley. But I still don't want one. I don't want to risk it burning the house down, or to find that my x-thousand pound investment is worthless because a stone flew up and damaged the battery. I have a couple of power tools which use cheap Chinese L-Ion batteries. Tools are in the house, but the batteries are kept in a shed, far from the house.

[@matswessling6600]

if you are afraid then dont keep the car in the house. easy as that. in fact: EVs are safer than ICE. the risk of a burning EV is much lower than of a burning ICE.

[@loonaticsrunningtheassylum]

@matswessling6600 stop talking rubbish.. EVs. SPONTANEOUSLY COMBUST.. Ice do not and generally only burn because of poor maintenance.. And % wise from amount on the road again EVs are a far greater risk.

[@matswessling6600]

@@loonaticsrunningtheassylum not true: EVs does not "spontanously combust". fires only start because something is seriously wrong. 99% are because use did something wrong.

[@smgeraldo]

@@matswessling6600Not sure where you’re getting your information from, or you’re deluded or a shill. Stop it.

[@matswessling6600]

@@smgeraldo proveme wrong.

[@paulie-Gualtieri.]

Remember when Quentin Willson was giving us solid and experienced motoring advice in the 80s and 90s.

[@tonymarkey6525]

Nope! He was always a pontificating imbecile 😂😂😂

[@loonaticsrunningtheassylum]

I remember when he was talking bollox on the teLIEvision

[@seantaylor9758]

I used to rush to the newsagents to buy the Thames Valley Trader where I would buy old minis and triumphs when these cars were not wanted. John Madejski started the Thames Valley trader in 1977 that actually became the Auto Trader. Oh the days when the photographer used to come out with their polaroid. happy days

[@cliver8881]

Hello Sean! Fancy seeing you here.

[@seantaylor9758]

@@cliver8881 Hi Clive, didn't realise you had a KZbin channel. I've never seen a hedgehog here in the near 20 years I've had the farm but plenty of wild boar and adders.

[@presstodelete1165]

My first experience of an EV zealot was a very weird moment. I didn't even get close to saying anything about EVs and he had a minor meltdown, this I believe was a defensive responce designed to block even touching on any fragile aspects. As I was talking about the political manipulations used to promote Diesels in the late 80s/90s it realy shocked me.

[@Markcain268]

They don't like any negativity towards evs, even saying you don't want one provokes a salty response.

[@John_Wood_]

man at work bought a big beemer EV. Reading between the lines it is nothing but hassle, mostly due to range anxiety and charging hassle.

[@elta6241]

I upset one on Facebook so much he was threatening to contact my workplace and get me fired. The mental illness is utterly bizarre.

[@Markcain268]

@elta6241 it all makes me highly suspicious, they do their cause more harm than good.

[@andypicken7848]

Markcain268 Mark EVs are zero emission at the point of use. What vehicle can compete with them in built up areas, I can only think of a bicycle

[@Cuzzazbuzz]

A truly great insight into the industry. Not many videos get my attention for a hour so well done Geoff.

[@Michael-hm8cs]

I saw a video here the other day where the guy said he had got approval to get one of the top Porsches, but the catch was he had to also buy 3 Taycan's (in the UK).

[@segandy2888]

I saw that. Think it was a 911 GT3 RS or something!!! Good way to push customers in the direction of a different manufacturer.. Lunacy!!!!

[@rosen9425]

Buy three Tycan's? 🤣 They should be threatening him with having to take three of them for free. It's been awhile since someone watered down a model so hard it's more bland than actual water. Well done Porsche, didn't think It be them.

[@Michael-hm8cs]

@@rosen9425 🤣🤣🤣

[@BlackLines]

Excellent video - Barry seems like a genuine guy. I'd sooner buy from him than a mainstream dealer.

[@lisaj7011]

Great chat really interesting! 👍

[@jameschambers6975]

They intend to rob you of your immortal soul....life, in this realm, is but a test of our faith in our Creator....it's for you alone to make your choice, & time is fast running out.

[@DJ00333]

What is going on with Auto Trader... have a look at the top 3 shareholders. And the 3rd one has the first 2 as major holders...

[@jackgrimes-wl8fb]

Really good video. I watched all the way through, very interesting. How refreshing, that the interviewer allows the interviewee to answer without interruption. Thanks both.

[@phileasflogg9045]

I don't dislike EVs, in fact I quite like them. I have an issue when they start coming for me and interfering in my life with idealistic legislation.

[@loonaticsrunningtheassylum]

The concept is ok. I just can't see past the child slavery/murder.... it's bad enough having to have a mobile phone these days... I try my hardest to avoid anything with a li-ion battery

[@jsanders100]

Did you resist seatbelts and smoking bans and cats?

[@davidharrison9004]

Isn't the pre registration to hit the government EV quota set at 22%?

[@ghunt9146]

Yes, & restricting how many ice cars are being sold. That strategy may work this year, but as the % increase next year it'll all collapse.

[@standurham2525]

25% in ‘25 33% in ‘26 38% in ‘27 52% in ‘28 66% in ‘29 80% in ‘30 100% in ‘35

[@chrisva505]

​@iandavid8925 this will end very badly....

[@ANDYblacks13]

More of this please, you 2 are brilliant

[@andrewmainprice2179]

He is realistic about how to fix the problem.

[@tatbagendtatbagend9239]

Just in at the 8 minute mark and have a blonde question. If EV's are being stored for a year or more .. does the battery not degrade?

[@DwaynePipes]

According to some (a lot) of "experts" writing on this channel, batteries are down to around 50% after a couple of years and practically useless after 3-4 years. Why on earth anyone would be buying a used EV with those facts is beyond me!

[@mazdaram226]

No they don’t , after 4 /5 years it’s 5% only and after 10 years 8 % … I’m a Tesla ranger ..

[@andrewwaller5913]

Of course it will, exposed to cold and heat and not being used. Would you buy a car that's sat outside for years ? No

[@mazdaram226]

@@andrewwaller5913 , it’s a lithium battery , once the charge is zero it doesn’t degrade in cold or heat …they were invented to be used in Space by NASA ..

[@cj.6988]

Shame they're not weight - less!

[@fredfred2363]

You absolute star for removing all the ads. Already watched this on Barrie's channel. But, yeah, absolutely fab discussion. More like this please.

[@SzaszaG1]

The problem is in the UK that the government artificially keeps the electricity prices high. Renewable sources are not allowed to sell electricity below the price of the gas power stations. So it's expensive to charge them because of government policy.

[@macflod]

Yeah! Why is that!? Why does everything in the Uk feel like its designed to screw the people over!?!?!?!!

[@michaelblackmore4332]

Quite a few threads in this video. In general it seems the industry is suffering the consequences of market manipulation. If my industry (financial services) operated like this, the regulators would be all over us. Geoff...thanks for removing the adverts ...I shall buy you a nice pint of Atlantic next time I see you again 😀

[@katielain6519]

I bet auto trader have to keep their overlords happy, one being a, guarder of vans, the other a very, very dark rock, if you catch my drift.

[@rosen9425]

When it originates from the government, oh boy. Regulations: 📑👀👉🪟

[@yorkyone2143]

Major problem is the charging network does not exist, for example Doncaster Motorway Services (North) station serving the M18 only has 4 EV chargers but the petrol station attached can fuel hundreds of vehicles a day.

[@user-zz9gn2dc3l]

The danger associated with E.V massive batteries is the primary problem!!! They are unsafe!!

[@user-zz9gn2dc3l]

My comment was immediately deleted

[@MarkB-33]

​@@user-zz9gn2dc3lal gore is in the house.

[@andrewwaller5913]

In a few minutes too, not hours to charge up

[@robdavies7]

​@@user-zz9gn2dc3lit seems to be back now ☝️🧐

[@Alex-nr5et]

Absolutely brilliant video, fascinating talk between yourself and Barrie.

[@oojimmyflip]

The choice will always be diesel for me, I've been driving them for 40 years now. I ran a Citroen Xantia on recycled waste veg oil for 8 years, I've done my bit for the planet, I also shared the filtered oil with family members and it ran their cars to. If lpg makes a come back ill consider converting my new diesel to run on it, I don't hate EVs but I can't see the point in doing 0 to 60 mph in 3 seconds especially with a body full of hernias, I think that might be a tad painful for me. I like the Ami but the ride is a little harsh.

[@jsanders100]

Er, do you think all EV have to be driven flat out all the time?

[@oojimmyflip]

No but when you have to re take your driving test ordered by dvla every 3 years because you can't feel your feet from nerve damage do you think such acceleration is wise?

[@regardtvandermerwe2675]

Great video and free tip for people. If you have a vpn and select Albania, you will not get any ads as youtube may not get advertising revenue from Albania.

[@haydnhades2730]

I'm constantly amazed at how people so easily takes sides in an issue rather than, calmly assess the situation/choices. I live up north where it's windy and wind turbines are a pretty good idea. But wind turbines aren't suitable down in Kent. I live on a small island, an EV is quite a good idea coupled with my wind turbine. My point is technology is great but it needs to be used appropriately . It's simple common sense

[@cj.6988]

Not very aesthetically pleasing on the landscape are they though, not to mention the concrete plinth and toxic chemicals that will leak into the soil when they reach the end of their short shelf life. Bty the government is paying wind farms not to produce energy 🤑

[@andyexuptaylor4503]

Hi Geoff hope adblue works better for cars than it does for plant machinery in the last 3 months excluding burst hydraulic pipes every break down has been adblue related on all brands,Cat , Hitachi, Doosan and Lieber

[@susantaylor927]

My elderly hubby is full of joy from this Geoff! We have almost 140 years on our clock!😉 I'm a driver of an E.V.... a DISABILITY BUGGY!!! I cause carnage driving in small spaces and I need to come off the leccy!!! Because the darn thing keeps going for a bit! I do warn people so thankfully no injuries so far! Just lift walls!!!😊

[@paulriggers1558]

a long time ago, the bloke that looks like dracula, appeared in the dock for clocking cars, and he pleaded guilty... say no more... [it is available to view on the internet] keep it up young man

[@Twmpa]

There is currently a Hyundai Kona EV advertised by Evans Halshaw in Leeds on Auto Trader. This car was registered on 30 Sep 2020 and has 34 miles on the clock. The car shows on DVLA as SORN and, despite being 4 years old, has not yet had an MoT. This is a fairly small and inoffensive car and, apparently, Hyundai/Evans Halshaw have been unable to sell it. It retailed at up to nearly £40k but this one is on sale for £16390 which suggests, if nothing else, that someone in the motor industry is taking a huge loss somewhere along the line. This cannot be sustainable. Edit: On Saturday I drove past Avonmouth docks on the M5 as I have done many times in the past and I have never in all those years seen so many cars sitting in the compounds which were almost completely full.

[@7enmvu]

I didn't believe you, but it's true. A 4 year old brand new car. Sounds like a bargain for someone.

[@gtd65]

Why is it that Facebook can supposedly "fact check" true statements but can't sort out the overtly bogus advertising on Marketplace?

[@fbboringstuff]

While your there ask the munches at KZbin

[@loonaticsrunningtheassylum]

Fakebook.. it's a business it'll do whatever it can get away with for profit I'd guess

[@carlmills-warren2012]

Really enjoyed this chat between Barry and yourself. Would 100% welcome further conversations around the EV subject as well as other topics in the car industry. Please don't wait too long to do another.

[@carlmills-warren2012]

Also, please take a look into the cost of insurance for young drivers on EVs - I was considering buying one for my daily commute to work (50 plus miles per day) and insuring my 18 year old son as a named driver. Very quickly decided against that.

[@Thetyrerepairer]

The motor industry is destroying itself. Instead of bringing out EVs that people can afford, They chose to do the opposite and bring out expensive cars. Now the Chinese have started to sell cheaper cars.

[@trickyfocus]

MG looks good

[@user-zz9gn2dc3l]

They will have to start making ICE cars again. That is what the people want!

[@alberttickle1106]

@@Thetyrerepairer forced to do so by regulations...

[@keithbartlett9947]

There's a new EV coming from China it's 10k on the road with interest free credit.......it's called The Ronson

[@eldontyrellcorp]

The industry cannot bring cheap cars to the market. They would lose their plants. And the fact is that most people are still not interested in EV's. We are heading to some huge problems for the car manufacturers. At the same they have to sell EV's which are not profitable to them (and that people don't want) and produce a lot less ICE cars which are profitable. But also let's not forget that the politicians cannot force us to buy a product we don't want. We are the one making the market and deciding on the direction!

[@SteveEileenMartindale]

To my mind, even if you have a home charger and can buy a cheap EV, private ownership of an EV does not add up. The costs, liabilities, risks, inconvenience and loss of travel freedom mitigate against buying one with my own money, I would drive one if I could beg, borrow or lease one but I do not want the liability of EV ownership hanging round my neck. It is early days yet but I reckon the average life of an EV will prove to be a lot less than the average life of a petrol/diesel car, in which case before long EVs will be seen a disposable consumer items.

[@paulineprice9534]

Loved listening to you and Barrie and what an education!

[@paulnewman9275]

Barrie is a diamond geezer :) Says what the vast majority are thinking ,,,,

[@captchaos6870]

Went to the new forest in my Suzuki petrol only car. Would have worried about making it in an EV.

[@alainmerle3691]

Depends how far you've had to travel

[@ROGERPIC77]

Great to listen to this guy !! He knows his trade inside out !!!

[@jackdanielsamarreto]

The last EV I drove was in the 1970s when I was a teenager on dodgems and that’s were I left it the V8 V12 are better the diesel cars today are excellent they can shove EV cars were the sun doesn’t shine on a last note I turned up at a petrol station there was a guy charging up his EV reading a paper I filled up drove off and left him sitting there ?

[@xperyskop2475]

Most people with EV wake up with full tank every morning. Only on long journeys over 200 miles they have to fill up . If you can't charge at home/workplace, EV is probably not for you

[@PamelaD963]

@@xperyskop2475electric going up 10% in couple of weeks…petrol isn’t …

[@ericchild3363]

I just drove a rented Tesla for 7 days in Canada. It was a revelation. Such a pleasure to drive, auto navigation to plentiful superchargers, and overnight FREE charging at my hotel. Not all EVs are created equal

[@kerrywills8715]

Out of interest I got a we buy any car valuation again 5 years later and my 10 year old diesel Audi has not lost a penny in 5 years.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

Email me the numbers?

[@kerrywills8715]

@@GeoffBuysCarsI’m an old bag don’t know how to email. My dad passed in 2019 and my brother and I had to split assets so got a valuation for just under £10 for 2014 Audi s4 diesel as I kept car. Just had another quote online £9720 but if I remember they increased quote a week or so later in2019. Such interesting show Geoff 👍

[@Phenn5589]

Presumably due to the depreciation rate matching the inflation rate. If only inflation was higher 😊

[@daviddrew7852]

The truth will out. Thanks for this.

[@kevingreen8581]

Fascinating discussion guys. Thanks. Really interesting tales.

[@BasketCase]

Devious Tactics 🤔

[@jamesfisher6572]

This business of there not being enough electricity for EVs is an interesting point. There were some south africans in the place next to us on holiday and they said there is no electricity for parts of the day there. Evs wont work there he said. The state of the uk energy policy means we could heading straight for south africa. Lets see what 2 tier keir does in the budget. Im thinking we're screwed.

[@chrisjackson3750]

Great chat, have followed Barrys adventures and experiences with his Citroen Ami, a real honest guy with loads of motor trade knowledge 👍🏻

[@ktmmark]

Great video,Great guest, We have an EV as we can charge at home. It will go 5 days before needing charging again with room to spare (wife's car 20 miles a day).Me i Run round in a 200.000 mile Merc c220 Diesel Estate and love the old girl, so much so i sold it 4 years ago and Just Brought it Back.

[@ericchild3363]

This video is more about the woes of the motor trade than about EVs. Note that the most popular brand of EV sells direct to the customer, no haggling. As a customer, that sounds very appealing. That may help explain why the motor trade is not keen on EVs, plus the reduced servicing costs

[@ericrawson2909]

Reminds me of the Barratt flats up North just before the 2008 financial crash. Inflate the sale price by tens of thousand, give the buyer tens of thousands by some back door route.. the official sale price is higher than the buyers are paying. I could see that crash coming.

[@wk1king814]

Excellent video Geoff, thoroughly enjoyed it and incredibly interesting. Barrie comes across as a really good bloke and I would definitely trust him enough to buy a used car from. Just a shame the rest of the dealers don’t think and behave like him. More of this please!

[@AssumedTiger]

My neighbour just swapped his ID4 for a Seat Leon Estate 🤣

[@neillbutcher613]

Brilliant episode. Thanks both! Very enlightening.

[@user-et4tz3rc7m]

What you guys are talking about are some of the local UK short term effects of the major disruption to car manufacturing and the motor trade that is now happening on a global basis and the pace of change is only going to accelerate. Our Government, indeed no Government can stop what is happening. It is now highly probable that one (more likely several) of big traditional car makers will go bust within the next two to three years, the companies themselves know it and their Chief Executives are now openly warning that is on the cards for them without drastic action. There are two major disruptions facing traditional car manufacturers. In no particular order. The first is with respect to EVs - traditional ICE car manufacturers simply can't make EVs at a profit. Why? Because the Chinese (and Tesla) make their own batteries (or have high volume deals with CATL and other Chinese major suppliers), the electronics, the software and a high percentage of the components - in other words they are vertically integrated in a way that the traditional ICE manufacturers simple can't compete! The second major problem for traditional ICE manufacturers is in their assembly processes, the Chinese (inspired by Tesla) have made use of Mega Casting techniques and robotised assembly lines which have drastically reduced the cost of building a car. To put things in context, the Chinese are now making almost 40% of all new cars globally (they are exporting almost 6 million a year) and the sales of traditional Western manufacturers (including the Japanese) cars in China, where they had been making the majority of their profits for years, is collapsing at an incredible speed. Within the Chinese market itself, which is 23 million new cars a year (1/3 of Global market) 53% of new cars sold are now BEVs. The US, and to a lesser extent the EU, are trying tariffs to try and arrest the rot - this will only delay the inevitable. Finally, there is an interesting situation developing in Norway which is currently about 95% EV and has banned the sale of ICE cars from 2025. In Norway the second hand value of non-EVs is now collapsing!! As we approach 2030 (which is likely to be the target date for the new Labour Government) then the second hand value of ICE cars are likely to start to collapse in the UK as well.

[@billgreen576]

"As we approach 2030 (which is likely to be the target date for the new Labour Government) then the second hand value of ICE cars are likely to start to collapse in the UK as well." I expect the opposite will prove to be the case.

[@Enl1thened1]

Boycott large companies, they are all corrupt or getting there, that's my experience

[@AlexLancashirePersonalView]

What is with this dull GREY for cars at the moment. Was there a job lot of paint going cheap?

[@trickyfocus]

it was silver a few years ago

[@hearthetreefall4934]

I'm glad I'm not the only one noticing this dull grey, beige, black, white and sage green. They want us to be in a low mood. I'll be sticking with my bright red car.

[@user-zz9gn2dc3l]

Totalitarianism

[@AlienLivesMatter]

Sheep want dull

[@tichwykes]

I think they look like they've been primed then had a top coat of lacquer, the most dull & depressing coloured cars around at the moment

[@adamrowthorn6878]

The truth that we all knew, finally!!! Thank you, thank you. Brilliant video again Geoff. More of this gentleman, please. 😊

[@Luddite1]

That made me laugh cos it highlights the idiocy of sales folk ‘Fear of missing out’ …..no one fears missing out on something you don’t want 😂😂😂

[@Steve_Wardley_G6JEF]

What a fascinating insight into the current motor trade, thanks guy's.

[@user-ug8wx5er1w]

Great chat while I mooched around the garden! More!

[@keithmoseley7815]

Fantastic interview / chat. Thank you.

[@ScarboroughTourist]

This is one hell of an advert to buy from this dealer.

[@stevebutler7346]

GEOFF AND BARRY ,,THANK YOU,,Very Imformative Chat ,,Loved it,,,MORE LIKE THIS PLEASE,,Good Honest Chat

[@BlackLines]

32:42 ah the old "shuffle around in the seat to cover up a fart". We heard it Barry 😂

[@rjgreen71]

I’ve been scrolling down to see if anyone else noticed 😂

[@SuperDickiedavies]

Admiring Geoffs professional approach at that moment. 😂

[@maureenmcgrath4664]

It sounded like he followed through. 😂

[@s2dhu]

preceeded by an Audi EV advert ; ) the madness, the madness . carry on G, good stuff. fight the good fight!

[@Elsie-uy2kl]

I watched this on Barrie's channel and it's a fab interview. What a great fella - so impartial and knowledgeable. As for that Wilson fella mention - he's a nob. 😔

[@sionbreephotography]

How do I find his channel please? Don't know his surname.. thanks🙏🙏

[@Elsie-uy2kl]

@@sionbreephotography it's Barrie Crampton

[@sionbreephotography]

@@Elsie-uy2kl thank you so much

[@goatsleep6852]

this was one of the best car vids i have watched in over 5 years. my little EV being sold for buttons so i can go shopping with it and local is getting a lot closer :)

[@cyuiyuwyguiyui]

E-Fuel will take care of the silly EV:s The EV dream is falling apart on its own stupidity..

[@jsanders100]

Ok, tell us about e fuel, how is it going, what is the cost?

[@xavierhipkin]

Barrie is on point with this EV madness. I have followed Barrie on X since I bought a Range Rover Velar from him and John Fantastic service BTW. Somthing has to change in the motor industry or some huge consiqences comming at the back end of the year.

[@AlexLancashirePersonalView]

My Jag 8 speed ZF box is epic.

[@jonhollis2447]

THE best Geoff video to date! 8 out of 8... ...but why did you stop? 😂😂😂

[@paranoidozzy1970]

I had the jeep lpg converted car loved it. The sound of the engine was awesome I loved running it on petrol just to hear the roar 😂❤❤

[@offgridsolaruk843]

Yeah just a pity lpg has been pretty much discontinued by all the majors BP, Shell, Esso etc I used to run my works van on it but can no longer buy it locally. Emailed BP and Shell, there response we are moving to Electric/Hydrogen.

[@paranoidozzy1970]

@@offgridsolaruk843 I'm driving a defender now love it

[@chrissybee18]

I could listen to this guy all day.

[@fbboringstuff]

Who remembers autocar 100th anniversary and the story about the ford focus of 2050. Conspicuously it wasn’t a 3 tonne electric milk float that wasn’t an affordable 40-ishK It was a 3D printed almost entirely plastic, interactive, largely self driving 2cyl(?) hybrid petrol that rarely needed refuelling as it was hyper efficient.

[@elkoposo686]

That's still coming it's just that most everybody you know won't be around to experience it... Nah-nah-Neinteen...

[@dubchile]

Yet another magic Video Geoff me ol' son! Your guest today 'Barry Crompton'' was a delightful treasure trove of info with the enthousiasm to match! Yep, yer absolutely correctimundo.. I did watch it to the end and I do want more. ps. Thinks...I must snap up another 635 CSI before the deadlines kick in to re-take my driving test. I must check what the prices are at present. You see Geoff..You inspire me! 😎👍🏻 ps. ps. I wonder, have you done a podcast yet regarding old gits like me who are reaching their mid-Sixties and are to be forced to take the confounded driving test agin @70yrs for the second time in their lives? Once is enough. 🙄 Yeah, it would be an interesting one to tackle seeing how it's changed so much over the years.. what with separate theory tests and so forth. Folk would find it helpful and reassuring I'm sure. Anyhow, give it some thought would ya mate? Thanks for all you do. Laterz 🙏

[@mickles1975]

You can have him back on. I'll allow it.

[@allanmould2633]

Great vid geoff explains a lot. No adverts

[@Lot76CARS]

This had the potential to sink dealers.. I’ve heard of a Vauxhall dealer allegedly told to hold off registering ICE cars (that they have customers for) until they have registered enough EVs… or they will have to take the £15k fine themselves… hence the 40 cars continue to be held…. In a normal market supply adjusts to meet demand… not the other way around.. this is nuts!

[@GeoffBuysCars]

Yes that’s in line with what I’m hearing

[@DwaynePipes]

​@@GeoffBuysCarsDo you have actual dealers names though? Otherwise it's just hearsay. A bit like people "hearing" that a certain member of the royal family is "definitely" not alive!😂

[@anonnona8099]

​@@DwaynePipes There's the recent interview with the chief exec of Stellantis. The £15K fine per vehicle is utterly ludicrous, and the mess we're in is largely because for 14 years we had a government which thought everything would be sorted by "the market" if only we left "the market" to get on with it. Well, guess what - "the market" have not bothered to do anything about the charging infrastructure, and can't do anything about the fact that cars have to lug huge, heavy, expensive batteries about because charging is such a PITA. But none of that, *NONE OF IT* makes any of the stuff about EVs being mobile incendiary bombs, or part of a plot to take cars away from people, or a step on the road to "you will own nothing and be happy" (not that anybody who waves that quote around could ever explain where it came from) anything other than ludicrous swivel-eyed conspiracyfantasybabblebollocks. It does make me laugh to see all these people, so vehemently opposed to EVs, spewing out so much utter nonsense that nobody is ever, *EVER* , going to take anything they say seriously, even though there are issues with an EV environment which need to be discussed, and addressed. But Geoff Tells Lies, and his loony acolytes, have cut themselves off from ever being able to be part of that discussion.