What is The Future Of The Automotive Industry? Featuring Savagegeese

[@savagegeese]

Thanks for having us. Repping Illinois! We really enjoy level headed conversations. We rated you 5 stars on Doordash.

[@dannyrbailey]

Collab of the century right here, christmas came early- Danny from IL

[@bbb4019]

Breaking news: Trump taps Savagegeese for Department of Transportation.

[@KROMO50]

Wow!!!

[@Cowboy_moonman396]

What the f$&@?!?! YO 👀 DOPE

[@bobcoats2708]

@@bbb4019If he could only conceive of bringing on people as informed and intelligent as Mark and Jack. Alas….

[@cndlpwr]

Holy moly it's happened! My two favorite automotive channels found each other.. so good.

[@jedclampett7705]

Ditto! 👍

[@theniceneighbor]

I don't know the two guests but I love the feeling you describe and see it all the time

[@robertweber3140]

Double Ditto!!

[@bugeyesprite119]

I agree. Triple ditto.

[@Mtematiks]

Me too ! No bulshitt! Only serious stuff to listen and watch!

[@randyosburn533]

Retired engineer here. The higher cost of parts worries me the most. Plus, vehicles should be designed to simplify repair.

[@xoxo2008oxox]

Coworker hit a deer. US$6000 in damage to a 2024 GMC SUV. 3-4 months wait to get two OEM GM parts from...China. Just bonkers...

[@daniels2761]

Some part cost can be avoided by going with a mainstream vehicle. But all new vehicles are harder to work on than they should be.

[@tgoods44]

@@xoxo2008oxox Even crazier is that U.S. taxpayer bailed them out to just help... China?

[@iamthemoss]

You are so correct, I just want reliable.

[@leos3003]

Don’t know if you’ve noticed, but engineers don’t design cars any more. For 20 years now marketing department has been designing cars.

[@dawnpoint]

SavageGeese inspired me to choose an old Lexus instead of a modern iPad car, and The Car Care Nut helps me keep it running. Thanks to both of these powerhouses.

[@林振华-t4v]

Good luck. I start having trouble looking for spare part on my 05 civic. One day, I wont get a key part to keep it runing. And that day is at horizon. The ev turn out will be easier at the end, the hardware is easy to sort out because it hs not much matching. The sofware will work as long as the communication protocol is sort out. It can be done either manufture open up the protocol. Or dont as blackbox.

[@Mb2IseeU]

@@林振华-t4vI have an 04 pilot and we are having problems getting parts for it as well. Recently had to put in a new transmission, but only able to get a rebuilt one as a brand new one would have cost us almost $19,000 at the dealer. And no, they weren’t overpricing it to get us to buy a new car, the rebuilt one cost us $5,000 at a transmission shop. They are not cheap.

[@MW-pw9ip]

100% the same! 2018 Lexus ES300h here….

[@fortheloveofnoise]

​@@林振华-t4vOnce you go old enough, you can easily make the parts from scratch, so I am getting a 1970 Dodge Dart soon. My daily driver is a 5 speed manual 1998 model year (built in 1997) Nissan Sentra. I have had no problems getting parts.

[@993mike]

I’ve got a very well maintained and stone reliable ‘08 Lexus GX470 with 170K miles and it’s been perfect. It’s parked out of the sun, so it even looks great. I always call Toyota/Lexus SUV’s the Rolex Submariner of vehicles - zero issues and they always work. I was waiting to buy the new GX550, but the engine issues (unheard of in the old ones) scare me for now.

[@caseychomiczewski7377]

Savagegeese reviewed my 2016 Corolla and called it a appliance that gets you from point a to point b.Well it has 150,000 miles on it and still has original brakes,air conditioning still works good,no dash rattles and has only been in the shop once for a Toyota recall to update a software glitch many years ago.

[@H3ntairican]

150000k barely just broken in 😋 my 2010 corolla has 333k and still runs the same all stock never opened engine same stock water pump stock ignition coils stock injection valve cover just started leaking a bit last year but other than that I've changed starter once alternator once recently I've changed the fuel pump assembly, the 300k miles stock one was tired but was still working. Aftermarket axles and front hubs. Ive tried some cheap coilovers but they where horrible swapped them out for kyb struts and eibach 2" lowering springs 👌🤌 rides like stocks but better 😊. But other than all that I've just kept up with oil changes and maintenance and mostly all the fluids where flushed except transmission which ive only drained once. Had the car for 10 years now been driving to and from my job over 150 miles almost every day round trip. Best car ive ever owned period. Its made me more money i dare say 60× over the purchase price of 8 grand by reliably making it to work and back over the years and still going.❤

[@lastpally]

Traded my problematic 2020 m340i for a 2023 Camry. I miss the performance but not the headaches. Sometimes, the greatest luxury is reliability.

[@KNRS927]

2023 Camry v6 is a sweet car. I’ll miss that car since it’s among the most unassuming 300 horsepower sedans ever

[@charley95sheridan44]

I'm with ya there coming from Corvette's & Cadillac"s and moved to an RX & GS Lexus. Less is more!

[@JohnZornAscended]

Lol

[@daniels2761]

The top 3 features I care about are all reliability, haha.

[@Zharsergey]

The B58/ZF8 had issues? That's an epic combo!

[@MsMsmak]

The costs are absolutely prohibitive. As a middle class earner, I won't spend $1,000 a month on a new car payment. That's insane.

[@dsleong8328]

Second this,car getting expensive for all the wrong reason just because some individual wants that particular tech where majority of people need to pay for them

[@Villani_AV]

Plus the manufacturers are making insane profits, like every other industry. There's absolutely fluff baked into the price

[@Snake-ms7sj]

Car loan interest rates are crazy too. I have the max credit rating and probably still can't get less than 4.9%.

[@antoniocognato5023]

​@@Snake-ms7sj nissan is offering frontier pro4x 0.09 %! i 60 months.

[@kamakaziozzie3038]

WEF says by 2030 you won’t need a car. We will own nothing and be happy aboot it. Also eat bugs

[@REDNECKROOTS]

I would absolutely kill for a simple awd, manual 6speed, crossover size , wo the tech. Manual roll up window's, no screens, no cvt, only luxury i want is AC

[@GaylordRomerosa]

Speaking of expensive car repair. I have a 2024 Genesis GV70 2.5T Sport Prestige. Two months into ownership, the 3D digital gauge cluster went on the fritz. It was replaced under warranty. I signed the repair bill, and it was over $12,800! The part itself was over $8K, and labor was just over $4K. I usually keep my car for 10 years or longer, but this is really giving me pause to whether or not to jump ship once the full warranty is up.

[@anotherbrickinthewall1700]

You will keep it more than 10yrs because you'll sees that trading it in for a huge loss is not worth it. And the reason for that is what you just mentioned, the risk to the used car buyer of the electronic systems.

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

I would lease anything that isn't a truck, Toyota, or Honda

[@m.b8257]

I certainly would !

[@dae8894]

you bought a genesis. no wonder

[@kosiranze]

The part was sold to you at 8k but I can assure you that that is a few times more than the actual cost of the part.

[@roozbehbey]

The two greatest channels for people who are actually shopping for cars, no nonsense reviews. Thanks for the great work.

[@vipul_singh]

Alex on Autos

[@larryjones3017]

Love you guys! I am sick and tied of the distracting bells and whistles. Turn off the crap & I use the back up camera plus the mirrors ! The manufactures better pay attention and simplify design , increase reliability and decrease COST !

[@bizzfo]

Missed a hugely important point. People’s wages have not increased at the rate of inflation. This means yes cars are more now than they were. Affordability is the point. What company pumps out products without trying to factor in affordability?

[@vitreoushumor]

Yep it's the relationship of cost vs income as a percentage

[@vitreoushumor]

He also forgot how much trucks have skyrocketed

[@pablorosado535]

The short answer is: cars now are made for the rich; Most clients anywhere will keep their cars as long as possible if they are already proven as reliable; if there is no other option, they will try to buy a used reliable car.

[@FrostRocket92]

Aside from Arizona tea and Hi Point firearms? I don’t think there is a company that takes affordability into account.

[@KNRS927]

That’s called late stage capitalism, my friend. But that’s what everyone wants and believes in.

[@intro-amajid9251]

Money is worth less than before. We all know that.. the income is still the same thats the problem.

[@FadilKarim]

Exactly

[@GregoryGlessnerViolin]

Yep. No one looks at how many hours of work things cost for most people.

[@dB_944]

I got a nice raise a few years ago, but it was soon obliterated by inflation.

[@nobleman-swerve]

That's not it really it. By Jack's example in the beginning lets look at where we were in '99. Back then, median household income was $42k, or $80k in todays dollars. In 2023, the median household income was, drumroll please, $80k. So from a raw earning potential, we're flat adjusted for inflation. And as Jack pointed out, across the automotive space cars have actually undercut the rate of inflation. Cars are actually cheaper to buy now as a portion of earnings than they were in the past. It's the other stuff that's killing us. Housing, healthcare primarily, but education is huge too. To say nothing of food prices in the last few years.

[@dB_944]

@ after all that you mentioned, I have little left as “disposable” income.

[@indyzed9897]

Jack is correct. People want features. They get caught up in the buying excitement. Then, one year later, or less, the repairs start (new tires, brakes). Those 22" wheels are cool until new tires cost $1500.

[@TastySurrealBowl]

Everything Ahmed says in his videos is so spot on when it comes to the reality of the consumer experience. His thoughts always hit the nail on the head and I’m so grateful that he is making videos that reach across all generations of car owners.

[@Lexrcf]

The collaboration we didn’t know we needed but glad we got it 🫡

[@MrMustangrick]

Too bad he never let them talk.

[@jackwilliams856]

You guys should have a monthly discussion. This was a great watch!

[@coalknob]

having too many options causes unhappiness. I'd rather have super-simple, but very high quality. the "bling" quickly wears off, but true quality is something you learn to appreciate more as time goes by. the more stuff you own, the more it owns you.

[@KrazyKramer]

You're right. Got a bare bones 2024 Corolla hybrid LE on purpose. I didn't even want the tech that came with it standard.

[@tuberNunya]

@@KrazyKramer what do you do in 8 years when the batteries die?

[@JohnZornAscended]

That’s the actual definition or the building blocks of a luxury item. Luxury doesn’t mean new fangled. It’s first and foremost simple but, with better materials.

[@vk8sj]

@@tuberNunya My 2007 Camry Hybrid battery is still going strong! That is older than 8 years!

[@I.LikeCars]

While I agree with you, in todays world, real quality will not sell well compared to ambient lighting and other bling items

[@gregbuser4690]

The problem with financing a $60 or 70K car for 84 months is that at 48 months, many of those cars won't be worth what is still owed on them.

[@kamakaziozzie3038]

There’s always been a point those two prices meet. Same can be said with home mortgages in certain locations. Hopefully your like the average person that keeps their vehicle for 12 years. Your car paid off and still has some value…if you take care of it lolz

[@omegalamda3145]

Mazda CX series

[@flashsushi1843]

The bigger problem is people wanting to trade cars too often. I drive a 14 and 13 y.o. vehicle and happy and content driving them as they don't cost me much in the way of repairs and maintenance.

[@FRND23]

That’s why you lease if it’s makes sense to you which is what it looks like based on your comment!?

[@danguelph2676]

@@FRND23 lease is much more expensive due to insurance, you will have to buy full coverage when leasing. It just eats all savings you could have had. Lease is no go.

[@jeeperwill6262]

You guys are all great. Loved this conversation. For myself... the wife and I own a 2018 Yaris Hatchback and a 2023 Tacoma. We hope to keep both of these vehicles for many years. They work for us. We live where it hits -40°C every winter, where we don't always have cell reception and where electric chargers are few and far between. We also had a government that compromised our electrical grid in the name of going green all whilst pushing electric cars and buses that have failed miserably. I'm not against electric cars, I'm just against them for where we live because they would literally likely get us killed. If you reside in a city and that cities grid can support it, great. You contribute to developing it, and maybe one day it'll work for us, but right now, it's a joke. What I love about our vehicles are that they're reliable and simple enough that I fix and maintain them. Parts are plentiful, and they're both proven platforms. Most modern vehicles I wouldn't look at beyond a lease. The amount of waste as you discuss is real and very counterproductive to the goal of lowering emissions. Building quality lasting vehicles is better for the environment than building stuff that just ends up in the dump way before it should. Anyways, thank you, gentlemen.

[@JackSmith-qi7dr]

An incredible conversation between honest and knowledgeable people who truly know cars and the industry. No hyperbole but rather measured discussion is welcomed by this viewer. Between the Geese and CCN an entire documentary could and should be produced. Well done.

[@pdou6796]

One reason for expensive cars...is very few people actually fully pay for one. They lease it, or they make their payments until they get rid of it. They go to a dealer and negotiate the monthly payment, and you see these 9-year loans, or whatever it takes to get them in. Not a new dealer tactic, but the length of the car mortgage has become nuts. Thus, they really don't feel the full impact of a car's total price any more. Nobody plans to pay it off, basically. The availability of credit at crazy long terms makes it seem like you can afford an expensive car (that you will never actually pay off. That's why something like 40% of the cars in the US today are worth less than the remaining loan balance. People have started to (gradually over 20 years) think of a car payment as a normal expense, like a "car subscription" price. Instead of looking for a car that they will pay off as soon as possible and keep for 20 years. The economic impact of that shift in thinking drives much of what the new car buyer experiences today. I suspect if these 'favorable' loans (7+ year terms) were not available, we'd see a much different landscape for the median and above car buyers. In my opinion, of course.

[@johnreid2837]

You are exactly right.

[@Maxfli82]

And that’s why some car companies only make cars that will be reliable for 3 years. Sad.

[@aaronlarsen4674]

@@Maxfli82 only sad if you look into the future, the car-maker gets the money & buyers get blobs of plastic that fall apart. Seems very nearly a win-win 😂

[@nunyabidness3075]

@@Maxfli82You must be young. Modern cars are much better. In the 70’s a new car would likely go back to the dealer for warranty work in a few months. Sometime in the 90’s it became more likely you’d make it over a year. My last car, a Volvo wagon, needed nothing but maintenance and wear parts for 10 years and 100k miles (at which point my luck ran out, lol).

[@2martg]

I'm 25, work as a software developer, and I love tech, always eager for the latest gadgets. But when it comes to cars, I like it simple. Give me a small screen with physical knobs any day over those big touchscreens.

[@FreePalestine2107]

Those days are long gone my friend. Just like film cameras, flip phones and DVDs by mail. In fact robotaxi Will be the mode most people will take for transportation and only a few years. So enjoy the manual driving or just a couple more.

[@daniels2761]

For whatever reason, all the comp sci / engineers I know drive simple and/or old cars.

[@usaverageguy]

​@@FreePalestine2107I have been driving EVs since 2015. So I believe they are the future. 72% of Americans can charge at home. But level 5 autonomous cars are a dream. We are decades from successful designs. Plus the political and insurance problems are even more complex.

[@uzbeck2006]

Seems like no research studies are done or not done correctly or not on a correctly pooled target audience

[@nanais007]

Just bought a Mazda cx 90. I'm sooo happy it's not a touch screen.

[@chrispnw2547]

Three Points... 1) For non-affluent customers, net household incomes have been stagnant for over a decade while car prices have increased 2) Banks in the past would only provide loans where your car expenses represented less than approx. 20% of your take-home pay. No longer 3) Based on average U.S. incomes and existing debt loads most households can afford a $20K Corolla/ Hyundai Elantra but want a $45K SUV As usual the problem is in the mirror in most homes. Also, watch TV and notice how many people are driving around with a suspended license, no license, and no insurance. That cost gets passed on to everyone driving.

[@naynayhooray]

Wages for the lowest earners have actually increased the most since the pandemic, enough to outpace inflation.

[@aaronbergman7248]

​@naynayhooray correct, however some pocket change found in a CEO's dog's bed is not nearly enough to keep up with decades of neglect

[@decktigerplays7685]

​@@naynayhoorayI wish

[@trumpisastump9382]

Did you not pay attention to the video??? The real (inflation adjusted ) price for cars is lower than it was 25 years ago.

[@phatgringo2.0]

Savage geese are North shore guys that have no concept of what the working man actually goes through even though they live 5 minutes away. Been there done that.

[@toddgiambruno]

This was an excellent discussion! Thank you for your insights. I also truly appreciate the fact that you were so respectful of each other, and allowed each person to speak without interrupting and / or talking over them! I watched the video from Savagegeese that reviewed a 2018 Hyundai Accent. I liked the simplicity and cost and purchased a new 2020 Accent SE with 6 speed manual. I have had excellent reliability in the 71,000 miles that I've put on it. I understand all of the problems that Hyundai and Kia have had with many of their engines. I certainly did not know of the latest round of recalls before I purchased my car , they hadn't been issued yet. I hope for the best and don't read and research where my non GDI non turbo 1.6 liter engine falls under the recalls and problems that some owners are faced with. I also change the oil every 3750 miles with full synthetic oil and high quality filter. I have always respected Toyota and still do, but even Toyota and Honda are faced with multiple recalls nowadays. I'll keep my Hyundai as long as makes sense; generally 200,000 miles and hope for the best! Thank you again guys! Please do more videos together!!

[@jcollins1305]

This was a legitimately interesting, no BS, no monsense conversation. Thank you for taking the time to speak to the viewer, not at them. The car industry is fascinating, and I enjoy the discussion on the business side of the business, not just the latest and greatest features. Keep up the great work!

[@areitu]

If you’re curious about deep industry news, check out autoline daily news. They report on very deep industry stuff sometimes and their weekly podcasts will sometimes have really interesting perspectives

[@walpoleandworcester]

What a treat this Saturday afternoon AMD! Thanks for all the great content sir. 🎉

[@Irishmanbikes]

I am so glad I'm buying a new Toyota Camry LE with a couple of packages, but basically a base model with Safety Sense 3.0!!

[@Shinigamix07]

When it comes to younger generations, I’m 27 myself and I don’t know anyone my age that genuinely likes how cars are right now. We all long to be driving cars we grew up seeing in media and video games. But those times and the cars that were great during that time are fleeting

[@slipknotserge]

The problem is now all those cars that were once affordable, have been hyped up and made into a business. I remember I could go on Craigslist and find integra gsrs and civic si like nothing. Most of the time they came with jdm goodies installed. Now good luck finding any tuner car that is in decent shape for a decent price. Everyone is trying to hustle one another.

[@IamTheOppressor]

To take this sentiment a step further; people feel this way and then take the 10's of thousands of dollars they used to spend on a new car and buy stuff that's 10+ years old for a daily and next thing you know, there's no such thing as an affordable used car - and anything marginally interesting? Forget it, multitudes more expensive these days.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

​​@@slipknotsergewages not keeping up with inflation has created the hustle market

[@worldofz00]

Bro I'm your age and normies our ages could care less about cars and drives around in SUVs, crossovers giving lame excuses. "The road sucks, weather is getting bad," and the typical "my wife / fiancé prefers X" lol.

[@worldofz00]

@@slipknotserge If you can go for it, a slightly used 11th gen Si should put you in the high $20K range which is an insane value (raw performance aside) in this day and age with creature comforts and updated tech with a 6 speed. It's the direction I went.

[@isorozco511]

2014 acura tsx. No touch screen just a bluetooth and an interior that has aged well. Very reliable with a good old 6 spd manual. Love it.

[@Whateva67]

Wanna sell it?😊

[@scottbrown7415]

I think the hvac in the TSX is problematic. The backlighting for the center stack is only repairable if you replace the entire hvac panel and console tray! When I diagnosed this problem the Acura shop manual said to plug in a new hvac panel to confirm that the backlighting was failed! The problem is that the replacement panel was over $900 !

[@OffRoadRedneck]

i always thought these two should do something together because they are in the same state and are very detailed and knowledgeable about cars. so happy to see this!

[@universalassociates6857]

This was a very proper interview. There was everything we liked about it and nothing we did not like.😃

[@GreenBeats11]

You need to compare the MSRP with the respective average wage. The CPI is a measure of prices (it's only a secondary measure of inflation, which is actually money supply not price increases) and car prices are built into that so even if you use that you need to remove transportation as a factor. Having said that, I do agree the increase in safety and relative to the rest of the economy, cars are not wildly different in price than 20 years ago. But, it seems we are more willing to spend a higher percentage of income on our cars and also long term loans have become a lot more common which increases the amount of people with negative equity and rollover loans which puts people into a vicious cycle. Also the elephant in the room is, lobbyists forcing state legislatures to forbid direct to consumer sales, which depending on the estimate could save 20-30%. Get rid of dealership laws.

[@Shododaan]

This. Wages have not kept up with the artificial inflation that the money printing machine of 2020-2023 created.

[@dB_944]

@@Shododaan I saw a very nice raise I got a couple years ago just evaporate due to inflation. 👍

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@ShododaanTrue, during the past three years the dollar has lost 17% of its value.

[@praetorian5499]

Well put.

[@thatoneotherotherguy]

I think something that can't be ignored is that the average consumer is also expecting a higher class of vehicle than they previously drove. This is easily reflected in the newmarket share of trucks and SUVs. It's over 80% now. Tons of people went from cheaper cars to more expensive types of cars. Instead of people saying that a 2024 Corolla is more expensive than the 2014 Corolla they're trading in, it's that the 2024 Highlander / F-150 is WAY more expensive than the 2014 Corolla they're coming from. Bigger vehicle appetite is not price inflation.

[@Mike_44]

When SG is your guest you know TCCNC is doing great. Love both channels. I say buy older cars from the mid ‘90s - mid ‘00s with low mileage and learn to fix/service them yourself.

[@TexasVexes]

Im becoming an expert on my 01 Camry and 01 Tundra thanks to AMD and some others

[@Mike_44]

@ That’s how you do it. KZbin is now a prime enciclopedia of automotive services/DIYs. And if you’re able to get a copy of your car’s service manual, and have the right tools, even better

[@fivefalcon6010]

2004 - 2006 LS430 🧑‍🍳👌

[@phatgringo2.0]

They were condescending in a very nebulous way. Typical North shore type dudes.

[@TexasVexes]

They both have really dry senses of humor. But I definitely pick up on the elitist attitude. Not everyone can be as awesome as AMD

[@FluffyBaozii]

Very poetic to be talking about the future of the automotive industry, with two of the best cars made in the last 30 years as a background.

[@henrystowe6217]

The highway fatality rate has risen since 2014. So much for safery systems and heavier cars.

[@jrockthecasbah]

If you’re driving and distracted it doesn’t matter what type of safety features the car has.

[@stephendibari5010]

awesome convo with the savage geese dudes. After watching this, I’m extremely happy I made a smart decision 3 1/2 years ago and bought my one owner 2002 Lexus ES300 w 161k miles. No way I’m buying a new car not even when I retire. The 4th gen ES is outstanding. Car is a tank, quality build is outstanding. Whisper quiet, every button/switch still works like new. Now with 186k miles, recent timing belt/water pump (2nd replacement since new), new struts and a few other OEM replacement parts (starter, alternator) I’m set for many many years. At 60 I’m keeping this car until the wheels fall off which is never. I change the synthetic oil myself every 5k miles. 2 years ago I replaced all plugs and Ignition coil packs with DENSO. If properly maintained and driven, The 1MZ-FE engine will last well past 300k miles

[@michaela1655]

The problem with adjusting the value of the car for inflation and then concluding that they were more expensive in the late 1990s, is that the persons income may not have kept up with inflation. So for a lot of people, the rate of inflation relative to their real income is making them worse off and therefore things are in fact more expensive to them. And their incomes are not keeping pace with the cost of higher education, transportation, housing, health care, energy, and so on. So unless incomes catch up with these rising prices, people will find these things more and more out of reach.

[@Slickpete83]

*Main Problem here in Canada is our wages have not gone up with inflation, so cars seem very expensive to us, despite what Jack was talking about with cars prices in 90's vs 2024*

[@dangerfield85]

Everything in Canada is inflated especially housing and food costs. Cars are icing on the ball and chain.

[@林振华-t4v]

Yeah, it get worse in the foreseeable future. Doesnt matter who you vote for.

[@billseiler4952]

Wages not increasing and adding kids to the family…..not much left after inflation for new car purchases or repairs

[@bradcomis1066]

Well, the variability of our dollar has a huge effect on car prices. Buying a car in 2015 was great because our prices were very close to US prices, but now you have to factor in our very sad exchange rate so regardless of anything else just the exchange rate has brought up our car prices by nearly 30%.

[@adrianwhitehead1950]

Great conversational video and thanks to you all for taking the time to present such an interesting set of topics. I’m totally with you on the unwanted complexity in modern cars e.g. mood lighting, screens whilst making simple tasks complex e.g. changing the cabin temperature.

[@techvof]

Still remember buying my 87 Suzuki Samurai for 7k , didn't even have a radio. Wish i had that car back

[@gregbuser4690]

EVs make total sense in an urban/suburban environment where one mostly uses their car to commute to work everyday, mostly use it for local driving with the occasional short trip, and lives in a place where they can primarily charge it at home.

[@JohnZornAscended]

It doesn’t make sense for even half the population.

[@steven4315]

I live in a rural area. Everything is at least a 30 mile round trip. Before I retired work was 120 miles a day. My Bolt makes total sense. About 3 cents a mile in electric.

[@aussie2uGA]

I live rural. I drive regularly through 5 states. It's why I bought a Tesla, for the excellent supercharging network. After 135k problem free miles, it's been an excellent choice and is awesome to drive daily. The tundra now sits until it needs to tow.

[@areitu]

I live somewhere that has electricity so expensive that home charging a model 3 and driving a Toyota hybrid costs almost the same

[@aussie2uGA]

@@areitu Hello Hawaii! Hope you have some solar on the home to offset those bills! 2024 is a good year to do it for the tax credits.

[@billshoe22191]

Absolutely loved these conversations. My favorite car enthusiasts on one show. These conversations help me understand that I’m not going crazy and other enthusiasts feel the same way about modern cars and there ridiculous prices. Great job!

[@jonnyj.]

Holy shit, savagegeese is literally my favourite car channel outside of yours!! Genuinely the best car reviews on youtube, especially from the engineering standpoint. This actually made my day. Please have them on more often!

[@danielmarson1131]

This was absolutely awesome! These collaborations are just getting better and better and are well worth your time guys.

[@MoneyMindsetCoach3]

I have a 2011 Acura TSX, coming up on 200,000 miles, my son just bought a 2012 honda accord, i drove it and was astonished on the difference in feel. The tsx handled better, had a more solid feel. I agree with what they said about the difference between the luxury and non luxury cars

[@loganurquhart11]

Yes, I pondered buying a 4Runner and Lexus GX460 for a year. I bought the Lexus. 😊

[@georgeburks4013]

The future of the automotive industry scares me. I bought a 2025 Mazda CX-5 Select for MSRP in Las Vegas, a city notorious for high car prices. I watched Amd video about the CX-5 turbo and decided to go with the Select because there's less stuff to break. Looking forward to driving it for the next 250,000 plus miles. I watched Amd videos about making a Toyota last and that's pretty much what I'm going to do with my Mazda. Great content Car Care Nut.

[@MoneyMindsetCoach3]

I have a friend that has a 2014 cx- 5 and has nothing go wrong and is going to drive it till it drops, still looks like new, she is very happy

[@ywilhemraymond3480]

Oh wow that a great collab between 2 great KZbinrs of my choice

[@kerry1111111]

Eyes on the road most important!

[@charley95sheridan44]

Before all the dash gadgets it was cell phones and still is, been hit 4 times by cell driver's.

[@albertmills9365]

What an awesome, informative conversation. Thanks!

[@feliciawoods3514]

Been looking into getting a newer vehicle and was floored by the prices! Decided to keep driving my 2013 Accord!

[@LordBass]

We all have a story about current shop quotes.. My '15 GTI needed a rear spring for inspection. Dealer quoted $820 for the pair of rear springs. I about fell over dead. I learned to replace them myself, but parts alone were $250, and backordered two months.

[@TheTexican05]

I’m only 40 minutes into the video, so I don’t know if they’re covering the parts scarcity. But it’s a very real problem affecting car owners, including those willing to do it themselves. It’s hard to fix the car when you cannot get quality parts to do the job. This is a problem affecting most North American manufacturers, and many euros.

[@SansooIan]

Born in 93'. I want Mechanical Reliability with APPROPRIATE displacement for the Overall Curb Weight of the Vehicle. Smaller Turbo Engines in a Heavy Car/Truck = Advanced Wear and Tear because of Higher Compression. It Costs Nothing to Have Seat Heaters, a Small 8in Screen for RADIO ONLY, and Physical HVAC Buttons.

[@tuberNunya]

We all do, but the deep state EPA keeps threatening the manufacturer.The deep state needs to be cleaned out.

[@Villani_AV]

You're wrong. They would need workers and an assembly line to put this base model together. Why do that when they cab just not sell you that car and save the money (they only care about profits)

[@SansooIan]

@Villani_AV Nope. They care about Politics and what the Govt will allow them to sell as far as Emissions and EPA standards that literally change from Administration to Administration. Govt Controls Energy Prices. Govt Controls Tax and import fees. Luckily it's all about to change under Elons DOGE (Department if Govt Efficiency) through Donald Trump.

[@wonderboy1998]

@@SansooIan Keep believing that 47th lobbyist and that South African mf will change anything. DOGE under that white nationalist is going to be a ish show, cause he will tank companies like GM/FORD etc etc.

[@loganurquhart11]

Yes! Couldn’t have stated that better myself.

[@johndesaavedra1040]

I will not consider the entertainment screen when I purchase a car. What I do is perceive that big screen in the dash is just bait and actually detracts from the car.

[@JohnZornAscended]

Our audience is non existent to a car manufacturer. Most manufacturer also nose dived in sales after the late 90s. They still didn’t learn.

[@michaelcheng4985]

The two channels I watched during my search for my GX460 in 2021! Amazing

[@marytimmons8790]

I love this. Thank you for the discussions.

[@waynezw]

I am happy with my BMW E39 2003 540 M Sport right now. I do not need a screen but I do like the quietness, the handling, and the power. I can work on it without a dealer computer. New water pumper is $70. Oil filter is $7. The thick leather on the seats are still in very good shape. The oil based paint is excellent. Parts are still available from BMW or aftermarket. The new BMW cars have more electronics but the car maker cuts corners on materials and uses more plastic everywhere.

[@MB-ox3cz]

That is the last real 5 series build by bmw. Mine is 525i 5 speed... yes, the materials used were much higher quality.

[@arneldobumatay3702]

One of the best videos! Good to hear other voices on the future of ICE/EVs.

[@rippedgli]

Need more collaborations like this. Love both these channel’s

[@DougDingus]

Buying new is insane for most of us today. That late 90's through mid '00s golden age assessment is spot on! I feel the infotainment features being so important is sad. I just picked up an 01 Camry with low miles for a song. It is lime a time capsule! Like new, and it brings back many memories. Easy to work on, etc... I hate the big screens. I have a phone for that. Easy to clip it in and go. Simulation has done amazing things for cars and survivability. Totally love it. But all the gimmicks! YES! I hate the distractions. At night, these newer cars light up like a spaceship, says my wife. I agree with her and find the distractions dangerous. When I drive my '01 at night, dash dimmed, the experience is amazing! I can see the road. Frankly, I might add some goodies in low key fashion. Back up camera in rearview mirror, for example, rather than a huge screen. Bluetooth stereo integration rather than a screen. You get the idea. Repair is huge for me. I want to fix my car. Need to fix my car. And what is with the fragile, crappy materials used inside? My 00's era car interior has held up. Looks new. Cars made in the 10's are not holding up as much. And lack of buttons and dials? Yes, younger people think touch screens are the best? Truth is they need to experience a low distraction car and reassess! The few I have done that with very quickly understand the hazards involved with touch controls. Lots more to say, but I am enjoying the video! [ continues to drive '01 Camry defensively as possible, happy to avoid big car payment ]

[@areitu]

This is one of the best and most pragmatic discussions about the automotive industry I’ve ever heard. Lots of great discussion points, with great perspectives on everything 👍

[@eblacksburg]

Such a pleasant surprise viewing this collaboration!

[@guikegriot]

I'm grinning ear to ear for this collab!

[@andrewbarclay6573]

Manual hvac and other important drive function buttons are a must!! You should be able to feel a physical button for those controls and not have to look away from the road

[@bbqbeen7083]

Thanks!

[@ft2bme]

Fascinating discussion. “The key word is: you want to find something.” IMO you find something that matches your preconceptions, and reject anything that doesn’t.

[@tonyr1615]

The Car Care Nut + Savagegeese! The greatest thing ever to occur in this Universe! 😝

[@ChilledNurse]

The fact that people won’t buy a really great car because it doesn’t have a 360 camera is absurd. The hell do you need that for. You have eyes and you should be alert and awake when driving. It’s just adding to the base price and I hate it. People are too pampered.

[@KNRS927]

I guess we’re too pampered now because we have cars while our great great grandfathers had horse carriages. Let’s get rid of cars and go back to horse carriages and candles and abolish planes for no flight travel!

[@ChilledNurse]

@ damn what a stretch 😂

[@KNRS927]

@ why is it a stretch? There’s many things we have now that we dont need. It’s a thing called evolution and what people want as we learn some things can be useful. Backup cameras, 360 cameras, forward collision warning, they all have a purpose and there’s a reason it’s wanted. Also, cars would be priced high anyways even if they omitted everything because, corporate greed.

[@smartbutt10]

This is 100% a take only somebody who hasn't lived with a car that has 360 cameras would make

[@kamakaziozzie3038]

I ❤️ this thread. You two are discussing important issues that need to be addressed. How much technology is too much? Is the 2026 mandate that shuts your car down if it thinks you may be intoxicated a good thing? Let’s figure it out 🙏

[@joemartino6976]

Wow! This was a great Saturday morning surprise. Mark is right about safety considerations and infotainment adding a lot of cost to new cars. That said, i wonder if we've already reached an inflection point where we've surpassed our ability to afford them, not just from a purchase standpoint, but also for maintenance and insurance.

[@daniels2761]

That and everything has gotten so heavy. We are at a point of diminishing returns.

[@williamnigh5979]

I really enjoyed this conversation about the car industry. Thanks so much.

[@ThaKenMan]

I thoroughly enjoyed this!! Gots love the long form discussions about important topics that normally get brushed aside cuz they’re not all feel good points.

[@victorvaj23]

Was not expecting this crossover and collaboration. Wonderful! 😊👍

[@vadel251]

best experts in the room in North America's auto industry

[@pleaseadoptus]

Plus Car Wizard and Scotty Kilmer. Of course you'd have to put Scotty in a soundproof booth with interruptible audio feed

[@pedrofernandez8729]

Cars are so expensive and you don't even get a real bumper. Even a 10 mph hit will cost thousands to repair..

[@joeblack1052]

Remember talking to a Mazda salesperson and they said the tailgate on a CX5 was 7K Canadian

[@mrvang8077]

Yep! And that is why when I buy a vehicle I look at the vehicle and see how well it was built and design. Then I weigh in on the price to see if it is worth the asking price. If it looks off or made absolutely no sense. I just walked away. I don't care how good the vehicle look. If there's more gimmicks and fake stuff on the vehicle. It just ain't worth my time and money on a vehicle that look like a half a** build and design.

[@deanmartin2332]

No it won’t. Not on most cars anyway. A plastic bumper cover is about 500.00 bucks to fix. I’ve had to replace a couple 😂

[@pedrofernandez8729]

@@deanmartin2332 And the sensors, and the cameras and the support behind the plastic, if its hit hard enough?

[@kendrickdelosreyes5381]

You don't get a real bumper because those 5mph bumpers hinder 45mph+ crash performance. You're actually saying "I don't have to replace my bumper from a 10mph hit but I'm gonna die at 60 mph."

[@hereigoagain5050]

Great program. I think we are on the cusp of a new Golden Age as batteries improve, especially solid state. OEMs & customizers can put any top hat on the EV skateboard power train.

[@drumgig]

My two favorite car channels combined. Christmas came early.

[@Chorizomicks]

Both knowledgeable. Worth the watch.

[@Jontellis]

What an amazing collaboration! Some of the best KZbinrs in the business 🎉

[@bradchoi9679]

A friend of mine was just t-boned in his 2012 Acura TSX wagon. Kid was doing 35 - 40 when he ran the red light. Back in the last century, he would have died. He walked away without a scratch. Car is totalled, but he's fine! Cars ARE much better than they were!

[@MrViyasan]

A real gem of KZbinrs. Almost all the car reviewers just kiss the behinds of the car makers, they said it like it is.

[@Acousticmarine678]

Been a long time subscriber of Savagegeese. Great conversation about a means of transportation. I think as humans, we can make things more complicated than needs to be. Auto companies are businesses and they build what sells. Today's automobiles are safer, more efficient, and faster than ever before. But we have this conundrum, this addiction to tech that is a double edged sword. People don't connect the dots, going down the road at 50mph and playing with their smart phones or 12' infotainment display is deadly. If car reviewers stop reviewing the infotainment system (just don't talk about it in detail) and spend more time talking about ride quality, performance in everyday use, and cost of ownership and repair costs, this will help change peoples view what actually matter the most when thinking about this mode of transportation. The marketing from auto companies feeds this sense of entitlement for only the best is good enough to travel from point A to B, not what is required. Many of us are still little children, we don't know when enough is enough and never will.

[@omgitsoop]

Would have never dreamed of such a collab but I've never clicked a video faster

[@MrHugemoth]

I always buy base model cars because they're more reliable with fewer things to go wrong. Last one is a 2018 base model Versa for $11,500 out the door.

[@tomlavin1603]

Life's too short to drive boring cars :)

[@kamakaziozzie3038]

@@tomlavin1603exactly! Same thing with spouses👍

[@daniels2761]

Somebody tell him....

[@Andrew-ep4kw]

In 1991, I paid 16k for a brand new Acura Integra GS, which had power windows, anti-lock brakes, a/c and an AM/FM cassette stereo. 16k in 1991 is like 37k today. This year, I purchased a 2020 Camry XSE AWD for 32k (5k less than the equivalent Integra price). The Camry has everything the Integra had plus an infotainment system, automatic collision avoidance braking, adaptive cruise control, lane keeping assistance, heated seats and mirrors, a panoramic sunroof, fancy lighting package, keyless entry, heated steering wheel, auto-dimming headlights, auto headlights (that also come on when the wipers are on, a nice touch) and much more. Yeah, cars are more expensive, but adjust for inflation and they are not much more expensive. Plus, they offer a whole lot more. Unfortunately, all those features mean an extremely complicated vehicle that can be tricky to service.

[@R-0345]

In 1991 you purchased a BRAND NEW car and now in 2024 you’re comparing it to buying a 4-5 year old USED CAR?

[@Andrew-ep4kw]

@R-0345 the point I was making is that cars today have features and performance that 30 years ago were only found in top-tier vehicles. Too bad you only focused on one part of the comment.

[@Rajphatak215]

@@Andrew-ep4kw R-0345 is an idiot. you are giving an example based on what you have in your garage. todays used car is better than a new car from 20 yrs ago.

[@Clockwork0nions]

@@R-0345 Toyota buyers have brain rot. Certain Tacoma trims have increased in price by 50% the last 4 years and you'll have them defending this by citing "muh inflation".

[@slipknotserge]

Yeah sure but one of their points was also the cost of repairs. Way less complex systems on the integra than on the Camry .

[@kgjung2310]

I didn't expect such distinguished guests, Mark and Jack. SavageGeese was one of the first channels I ever subscribed to, and I am not a car guy. I've learned a lot about cars from them.

[@sodarickaphillips9991]

Me and my husband bought a corolla cross le gas model in 2023. We traded for the Toyota rav 4 le hybrid for less than tech and a bigger vehicle. We like the less tech. It was too distracting for us. We are old school. Less tech less distractions.😁😁😁😁😁😁❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@rightlanehog3151]

AMD, What a surprise to see so many of Chicagoland's famous KZbinrs in one place at one time. 😁 Fun Fact: 2007 Camry Hybrid 178 hp 38 mpg Price - $26,500 2025 Camry LE Hybrid 225 hp 51 mpg Price - $29,500 .

[@universalassociates6857]

This is the best crossover episode since the Flash went to visit Supergirl

[@kensnyder2340]

@@universalassociates6857 , Ford Tech Makuloco is in the Chicago area as well. Really knowledgeable YT guy and good shop.

[@trumpius_maximus47]

We need Lori Lightfoot on next.

[@kensnyder2340]

@@trumpius_maximus47 , LOL. I haven't heard much about her since the riots. I'm glad!

[@trumpius_maximus47]

@@kensnyder2340 She is busy auditing the Super Mayor. 😂

[@panameradan6860]

Gimmicks that I don’t want/need: high-end sound systems; glass in my roof; air suspension; electronic/receding door handles; basic climate controls in a touchscreen; basic audio controls in a touchscreen; wheels larger than 18 inches on any car or suv; auto-dimming mirrors; doors locking automatically when car starts to move; rear tail gate opening via foot motion; unlocking car without touching key; starting car without key in “ignition” slot; ventilated seats; HUD; voice controls …. Here’s what I do want: dual sun visors for both front passengers, standard/required in all new vehicles …

[@benspindler8768]

Me too. Anything I'm looking for in terms of capability also has a moonroof and wheels larger than reasonable. The Ford Transit weighs 6000 lbs and has 16" rims. No car needs 21" rims.

[@canuckfobroader9553]

I'll take locking differentials, skid plates, recovery points and a 6.5' box over panoramic sunroofs, 22 drivings modes, and a screen bigger than the first tv I had in my room.

[@pkphilip]

I am with you on this. But SG already said the marketing researches have proven otherwise. 🤷 Another issue is dealership, this model needs to go. They are hurting everyone.

[@Googalite]

Totally agree. Government regulation and Trial Lawyers Assoc. has exacerbated the problems. But I blame the management of these companies in large part, they've gone off a cliff on EV cars and trying to finance the cost of EV development and high prices on their ICE buyers who simply want decent transportation F the auto makers

[@tomk3728]

What a pleasant surprise to see two iconic youtube car channels team up for a lively discussion of the automobile industry. Good work and thank you to The Car Care Nut and Savage Geese.

[@macula_]

what a gem of video, thank you for making it possible. Saludos desde México!

[@kersh8268]

They are the reason I got a Honda pilot. Thanks for the in depth review. Love the humor as well!

[@dreww47]

This video deserves a million views

[@TheBonsaiZone]

Geese and Nuts, Savage!

[@ClemmieTorrence]

tunedbyai AI fixes this (AI assisted Car Design/ Tuning). The future of automotive industry.

[@AlphaOmega333]

AWESOME COLLAB! The best channels. Great Land Cruiser backdrop too! 😎

[@martinnery8763]

Two of my favorite channels to watch. Winner. Life is good. Thanks for doing this.

[@DJAdo80]

Great episode! My wife and I wised up and decided to just drive and maintain our cars for as long as we can and avoid financing a new car now a days. FYI, own/paid for ‘13 Lexus rx450h and ‘16 VW GTI (daily)

[@lecahier]

Have you had to do a lot of repairs for these vehicles?

[@DJAdo80]

@@lecahier other than general and preventative maintenance. None so far

[@JustAverageJeff]

You also got a minimum wage increase every few years in the 90's and early 2000's, you haven't seen them raise that in almost 15 years. So even though they were more expensive more people could afford them, the wage gap has increased 10x just since then. CEO's used to make on average 20x their employees in the 40's, 50's, and 60's to over 1000x after they took us off the gold standard.

[@thetechlibrarian]

13:28 Yes, I recently learned that not only does any new car pretty much need better tires in a relatively short period of Of time but the manufactures are also now chipping out on the battery so if you’re buying a new car and you’re gonna keep it past two or three years pretty much assume you’re going to need to replace the tires in the 12 V battery for a quality aftermarket one

[@danguelph2676]

I have rav4 hybrid, regular XLE trim, nothing fancy, mileage is 30k miles, my stock oem tires it came with are just 15% worn. I don't think I'll need new tires anytime soon. Also, I've yet to see a rav4 hybrid with dead 12v battery, unless it's been a lot of years.

[@Robert509Marquez]

Watched through and through. Great content! Thanks!

[@db2041]

So happy to see the Car Care Nut coming together with some of the best and honest auto reviewers!