"EXPOSING the Secrets of Porsche Dealerships: Unveiling the Truth"

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[@Nickgyw6]

Porsche customer service has gone downhill fast. The people that work at my local Porsche dealership literally do nothing and they act like they are doing you a service by talking to you. About 2 years ago, I was going to buy my wife a Porsche 911 for her birthday and they literally ignored us when we told them we wanted to buy the car in their showroom. The guy said he was going to go talk to his manager and he just never came back. He just disappeared. So we just left. I took my wife down the road to the Lamborghini dealership and the salesman greeted us like we were family and made my wife a coffee and talked to us for 15 minutes about cars and we bought a Huracan EVO Spyder from them 15 minutes later. We are now really good friends with that Lamborghini dealership’s staff and we buy cars from them frequently. Imagine that. Customer service actually matters!!! Take notes Porsche/Ferrari.

[@timinclt7895]

It feels good to buy from a company that appreciates your business…you’ll go again and again

[@boxstar3d554]

Do you happen to live on long island, bc the only lambo dealer I know down the road from a porsche dealer is Gold Coast Porsche to Lamborghini long island.

[@dash-ryan]

I got exactly the same behavior with Porsche and Lamborghini!

[@spidersinspace1099]

Show off smarty pants🥱

[@jml9550]

If he has the money and able to buy, it is not showing off. Stop being salty if you don’t have what it takes.

[@zooski1516]

I tried to get an allocation for over a year but I was basically laughed out of every dealership. I have purchased a different brand and I’m loving life everyday. Porsche lost me as a customer and I know I’m not alone. Perhaps their strategy is working for them now but times change and we will not forget how we were treated.

[@bartg7790]

You have a Porsche as your profile pic.

[@Peanutdenver]

@@bartg7790 Someone lying on the inter-webs! Says it aint so!

[@James-qr9vp]

@@bartg7790 got em

[@zooski1516]

@@bartg7790 you have great eyes.

[@mieshta6607]

If you would’ve came to our dealer you’d be happily driving a 911 rn if that’s what u tried to get

[@whitneymorgan3553]

I was just offered an allocation at my local Porsche dealership for the new 911 Dakar, with a market adjustment of $100k over MSRP, $350K total price. The dealer told me that the car would bring $500k on the open market and said that they had turned down $200k over MSRP from other dealers to get their allocation. I did a little research and found a Dakar for sale, with 172 miles, for $410K. I told them that once I bought the car and then paid the taxes, tag and full PPF, I would have almost $400K in the car, and thought the $100k market adjustment was too high, so I offered them $300k total, and they turned down my offer. I believe that once more of the Dakar’s are on the open market, the price for a used Dakar will continue to drop, well below $400K. Your assessment of what the dealers are doing is spot on. There is no more customer service and putting the best interest of the customer first. I also had a similar situation occur with the MB AMG Black Series when they first came out. The dealer said that the Black Series would be a million dollar car, and now you can buy them used for under $400K.

[@wilspu5590]

Lol

[@revums]

Dakar pricing is the most frustrating of all. Buying that car and feeling like you couldn't pound on it would be the worst.

[@pierresland]

It’s going to be monumental when people stop buying and these dealers actually have to work to get sales.

[@nordics834]

the new 911 will melt faces, no one is going to stop buying those anytime soon, Ferrari customer service is ridiculous times 10

[@RB22959]

That will never happen. The truth is, that there will alway be people that have money to burn, and they are willing to pay extra just to get what they want. That’s the Reality !!

[@rtroyer8963]

It would be monumental to get rid of car flippers!

[@Sickwitit18]

It'll be when supply outweighs demand. Until then it'll be a sellers market for these guys

[@JitoTantrum]

This is the exact way I feel about luxury timepiece dealers.

[@a.c.e.7568]

Imagine waiting 5 years for a Rolex Daytona. So I was told by someone that wanted one.

[@SantoineBethel]

F Rolex.

[@The_action_is_the_juice]

Exactly. I will never buy a rolex. I walk into my omega dealer and pick what I want. I don't care about resale. I'm not buying to resell later.

[@Peanutdenver]

Rolex is one of the worst and now the have clowns like Kevin O'Leary pitching PR bullshit to try and save face.

[@jml9550]

I have 3 Rolex, a DJ, SS Daytona and a Seadweller. Bought them in the last 20 years. I will not put up with the AD’s attitude now. It was not like that before.

[@rollindieselplati4917]

PJ is spot on once again. The 992 GT3RS craze market is going to take a very heavy hit over the next year just like all the others. My prosche dealer that sold me my 992 turbo s at sticker has now offered me a allocation for a 992 GT3rs for "only" $150K OVER sticker. Taking my high spec weissach package to out for door for over $460K. I declined! But as you now see the used market "trying" to get $600k+ for these cars due to the hype. However this will be very short lived as I just watched a 992 gt3RS weissach bid up to only $425k on Pcarmarket and DID NOT sell. Its a great car but not worth that kind of money and there's going to be alot of people holding the bag on this car if they paid these looney numbers and didnt get out fast enough.

[@coreypatterson1386]

Seems like you need to find a new dealer😅..my dealer stays at msrp

[@IT-fk3pp]

This also happens in Germany in the case of the GT4 RS, another extreme car, which was offered for 300k€ one year ago (used car with 50km), then fell to 250k, and now you can get it for 190-210k.

[@boxstar3d554]

My mom's dream car was a Targa 4 GTS. Thank god she bought it in 2018 when Porsche treated their customers like humans. Now if she wanted one she'd be given the runaround and they'd want 300k for it. 992 carreras sound like vacuum cleaners anyways, the 991.2 is plenty loud and sounds amazing, a hidden gem people!

[@Sickwitit18]

The 992 sounds like a loud monster with an aftermarket titanium exhaust. Made me fall in love

[@ricsu3462]

not interested in playing games with dealers or wasting my precious life waiting for one (like those waiting on the sidelines), got myself a loaded 991.2 rs wp when the market dipped earlier this year and didnt look back. The values of gt4rs, sport classic and 992rs makes my car look like a bargain of the year LOL. Just be happy with what you have and enjoy, I've kept the same mentality over the years and it turned out awesome. I got all my dream keepers at a bargain that I continue to enjoy, build memories and network with

[@bryanachee7133]

same. bought my miami blue RS WP in July 2020. I look like a genius now lol. I was like 24k under sticker with 1600 miles. I'm not "that guy" to pay way over. I'll admit I just don't have it like that. I bought my car to drive (which I do) I cant afford to have a car like this to look at and speculate on the price going up. Life is short.

[@bob808]

991.2 GT3/RS & Turbo/S are the best looking modern Porsches anyway. You're getting roughly 90% of the performance for 60-70% of the 992 price? Well done!

[@heavyevo]

​@@bob808agreed

[@glennpearson4699]

Most importantly…buy a car to drive and enjoy. Not buy and sit in the garage obsessing about resale values and making money. Memories are what you should be making…not car market figures

[@thestigsfatbrother3881]

its crazy what's up, I wanted a track car, went to Ferrari was told they would see if they could sell me a track car since I don't have any "normal" models, came back and said I would be allowed to get an allocation for a Pista, I said what allowed, told them to keep it and bought a GT2 RS at sticker. I think these brand snobs are clowns and most don't ever even use the cars o their potentials, if I can't get a car from a dealer with a smile being happy to be of service to me, they will never get business from me again.

[@XennialGuy]

If you were indeed offered a Pista without any Ferrari history, you should have jumped on that. It's worth 100K over today and it would have jump-started you into Ferrari ownership and open the doors to other things. Now you're just stuck with a VW, where the dealers are now charging over sticker. Ferrari dealers are not allowed to charge over sticker on new cars.

[@thestigsfatbrother3881]

@@XennialGuy 100k is not changing my life and I will never buy any Ferrari, if a company does not value my money they can fuck fight off!

[@gilbertferguson1685]

Before Covid you could buy a Porsche at a discount, I did. Now dealership are dealing with low inventory, while car manufacturers are trying to catch up from chip shortages and supply chain issues. While some dealers are adding market adjustments to popular vehicles, many will still sell you a vehicle at msrp.

[@rtroyer8963]

there was a cheap chip shortage, not a real shortage.

[@kaighSea]

Very good advice. I did exactly what you suggest last year. This is why dealerships just need to be abolished. Have a MANUFACTURE store front. Owned by the company not franchised. That will fix this issue .

[@stanislouse4168]

AGREE!!!

[@phoenixrising4573]

The manufacturers are just as bad though. Ferrari would be trying to make you pay extra fees to license having it wrapped, and monitoring what you do to the car even more closely .

[@kaighSea]

@phoenixrising4573 yeah with Ferrari you could still have issues but if you could hold the factory directly responsible for the shenanigans that dealers play, it takes the middle man out and they would likely be much less motivated to disrespect potential customers. In theory at least.

[@phoenixrising4573]

@@kaighSea Ferrari corporate has threatened to sue customers for putting their cars in adds, and even doing engine swaps....and you think they'd respect customers MORE?

[@Badjuju22]

So glad you posted this video. I have a gt3 on order 2024 one and dealer was originally trying to charge 85k over sticker I negotiated it down to 60k but it’s still too much and on top of that they want my 2018 GTS cab . I’ve bought 4 cars from them

[@ExoticCarHacks]

Lol that's criminal

[@JS-ee5tu]

I have a GT3T on order at 65k over and am now noticing a downward price trend on Tourings. Think I will be pulling the plug on this new build and entertain a certified pre-owned with an additional 2 year warranty.

[@antho-m]

Out of curiosity the 65k you mentioned. Is it for the car options or this is in addition of the car + options?

[@RealEstateClub-]

@@antho-m I'll let JS answer, but when they say "over" that means in addition to the car+options. E.g. on top of the car's total MSRP. MSRP has all the options added up. In other words, they are getting robbed.

[@Iowa21]

A GT3 is worth MSRP nothing more

[@bobp7732]

You are 100% correct. Its happening around the world. I'm in Australia and spent $3m with Porsche in the last 5 years. My GT3RS was ordered 3 years ago and now getting bumped back and in fact will not even predict a production order date. Ferrari at least gives us a slot number on order and they stick to it. Keep spending the truth. Like your work. Bob.

[@paddlemarco]

Lamborghini has done the 1 year "cannot sell to anyone except lamborghini" contract.... and if you want to put it on consignment now... lamborghini is saying "you need to wait 6 months before you can consign it." Making it harder to hack. ~ 2023 tecnica

[@RB22959]

I agree. It happened to me at the Porsche dealer. I wanted to order a GT3, and I was not even considered to be placed on the wait list. However, if I was able to dish out $60K over the sticker price, I would have been on the list. Not worth the premium. Now a year later, I can find many 2022 GT3 Porsches with 3,000 miles plus, at MSRP price.

[@jameswillard1]

Really? ….I have never seen a single 992 GT3 at MSRP and you’re claiming to have found “many”?

[@RB22959]

@@jameswillard1 I’ve build one for $237K, and just looked online and found a 2022 with 5,216 miles for $245K at Porsche Barrington, than there one at Champion Porsche a 2022 with 8K miles for $248K. So,if you are really looking for it you can find it slightly over the sticker, let’s say $10K, maybe even less, but not $60K like they wanted at the dealership. It’s like PJ said. WAIT !!!

[@jameswillard1]

@@RB22959 Ok, you meant around what current MSRP is 👍🏻 I gotcha. I didn’t realize how much Porsche has raised their MSRP since 2022. One word of advice is to be careful buying a used Porsche from Motor Werks of Barrington. Not saying all their cars are bad but the also aren’t afraid to sell cars with story’s and lots of Lemon Law/Manufacture Buy Back Porsche’s

[@RB22959]

@@jameswillard1 I will keep that in mind. I’m assuming that either you bought from them, or know someone that did.

[@jameswillard1]

@@RB22959 correct on both

[@cryptopatient2574]

The need to sell the Porsche back to the dealership at retail price is real. I’m in the UK and after being loyal to a dealership for 8 years has basically caused me to walk away. The relationship is all BS and to negotiate elsewhere with new secondhand is the way to go. 👍🏻. Great video

[@Onyourbiketoo]

Also in the UK here and I just hold my calm over the initial BS on any new GT product and wait for dealers to start replying the early customers who just wanted to have the newest toy first and then she’d it. Dealers the sell in used and approved and make a big margin but I’m still only paying used market rate or a little over a it from a Porsche Dealer. I even have one dealer who I work with on what my perfect GT3RS spec would be and they then select a customer who is buying new from them and gently ‘guide’ them as closely to my desired spec as they can .. I’m then happy to go another 10k over used price as it is a spec I like :-)

[@Sickwitit18]

​@@Onyourbiketoothat guiding part is hilarious

[@benz500r]

You are absolutely right about the dealerships. They think they can screw up people for their own profit and hope that nobody notices what happens. That shows us there is loyalty on part of the dealerships and everyone is greedy and without scruples. They would wake up from that madness if people started to boycott those brands.

[@G82_M]

I have been with the same BMW dealer for years. Brought my M4 CS from them got an M2 for my wife got an M4 Comp last November and just pushed the send button on a CSL with 60 miles on it for 10K below sticker price. I’m pretty happy with that as most are going for 20k over original here in the UK. I’m happy with my BMW dealer. was considering a Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 but I didn’t get a good vibe in there so I went back to BMW.

[@isserdigan2835]

Yeah i feel you. I can get an M allocation at or below MSRP. Vs a Porsche cayman.. smh

[@Beamer_i4_M50]

When I go to my BMW dealer and buy something (oil, cleaning products, Performance Parts whatever) they smile and say „you get 20% off as always“. That’s the way how you keep your customers. At the same time I asked for an offer for a brandnew i4 M50. They said there is zero chance for rebate. I bought it then via carwow at another dealter with 10% discount. I mean it’s not a Porsche but it was still 90k€. So 10% is 9k. Since then they stopped sending me birthday cards :D So. Service and parts is great at my dealer. Sales guys not so much.

[@jgway9980]

Spot on. I have graduated from Porsche back to M cars and haven’t looked back. New M3 xDrive in 2022 and a used M8 this year. M3 at sticker with a reasonable 4 month wait time and M8 used in new condition with 7k miles and a large discount. BMW interior is every bit as good as Porsche these days if not better and the performance in real world driving is just as good as well. My M3 was $50k less than my 992 C2S. Interior in the M3 just as nice and slightly faster than the 992 C2S as well.

[@USConnexion]

I'm not at the level of buying a gt3 or Ferrari, but same thing happened to me with audi. The dealership in secaucus NJ tried to hustle me for 30k over msrp for an RS5 . Turned my back and went to Princeton BMW and gotten myself a brand new M3 competition xdrive at msrp. Ain't no loyalty in this game!!

[@anthonysbarro1946]

It’s a shame that such a quality brand has become an auction house took the pleasure out of owning the car

[@anthonysbarro1946]

Before they really qualify to be a collector car

[@frankb7449]

I bought a pre-owned Targa 4 GTS after searching several months. My advice is to be patient. I live in Palm Beach area and found both Bramen in W Palm Beach and Champion in Ft Lauderdale very difficult to deal with. They are arrogant and ask unrealistic prices for cars and unwilling to negotiate. I just kept calling around different dealerships until I found some inventory in Naples FL. They were willing to work with me and I saved at least $20K off of what the useless salesmen wanted at the other shops. So I wound up driving 2 or 3 hours to get to Naples and saved a bunch of cash. I have also bought a 911 in CA and shipped it - something worth doing if it's the right car at the right price. But I'd only do that if the car was CPO'd since I dont want problems. The one I bought in CA was CPO, and it did have some problems, but the local dealer fixed it all under warranty.

[@socalmex1]

Shout out to Porsche Santa Barbara for staying true to no mark ups on their new inventory. All the LA, OC and desert dealers are full of it. Anyone in so cal should definitely give Santa Barbara a look if you’re in the market for a Porsche.

[@FelixCervantes]

As long as they don't have a salesman named Samuel, who has to joyride every new car that comes into Beverly Hills Porsche, I will buy my next car from them. My favorite was Circle Porsche in Long Beach but they were taken over by Fletcher Jones recently. I been a Porsche owner since 1975 and Santa Barbara Porsche is probably the only Porsche dealership I have never been to.

[@socalmex1]

@@FelixCervantes haha yea. BH are all clowns man, not just the guy you mentioned. Carlsbad Porsche I felt were pretty cool I wouldn’t have mind buying the car from them. But Palm Springs, Riverside, Newport and BH specifically I would never. Definitely give Santa Barbara a look if you’re looking for a new car. Tracy was great as was their entire team during the process. No marks up on new.

[@GT-Chris]

I stopped buying at dealerships. I used to be a VIP as several dealership and they lost me.

[@kultyper]

I’ve developed a relationship with a Porsche dealer in a smaller town that does less volume compared to neighboring suburbs. People are a lot nicer and easier to deal with. I just picked up my cayenne coupe last year after waiting 6 months. Now just waiting for my new 911. The higher volume dealerships are stuffy and douchy as hell. I stay away from those.

[@salimrandall]

In 2019 I brought my 2017 Macan S to the Porsche dealership for multiple recalls. They were so discourteous I said forget it, and sold the car immediately.

[@anthonyb9364]

Just got rid of Macan also. I could justify Porsche maintence costs on my Cayman S, but a front engine SUV with higher maintence costs thhan my 981 Cayman, no way.

[@ulrichst7864]

I am a Porsche customer for 15 years and was asking for a gt3 touring. Answer was, we have an algorithm(based on cars bought, service ant Porsche ,…) and the system tells us who gets the car. 2 weeks later I saw a video my salesman giving a gt3 touring an influencer with obviously no vitae.

[@QUARTZdls]

I’ve been calling out this sh*t for about 7 years or so. The presenter just said it much better than I ever did. Glad to see I’m not alone in the observation. Love the line about the “$12 salespeople” who think they’re club bouncers. 🙄

[@pcar5]

Called the P dealer, they had an allocation, went in the next day and it was all over in an hour at MSRP. Absolutely no extra charges. Easy, peasy.

[@dvgsusilo]

how did you do this,? what was the tactic?

[@ok949]

I put a deposit on a gt3rs from Legend Porsche. They didn’t give me an allocation or return my deposit. They said the salesman that took my deposit no longer works at the Legend Porsche. So what. They still owe me my deposit. I got on a call with the sales a manager, GM and PCNA. PCNA told the GM to return my deposit if an allocation was not given. GM agreed. But he never did return my deposit. This was for a 997gt3rs. Shenanigans started well before the pandemic.

[@JohnSmith-gw9pz]

I know I shouldn't say this but Porsche has found an ingenious way to continue making money from selling their not so great products to keep inventory moving. I do agree that if one has saved enough for their dream car, they should just be able to walk in an order that limited production car at MSRP but that's less money in their pocket and let's face it more money will always win over less money for a business. I also believe that this is being done to get enough allocation for the limited cars from the manufactarers to continue this tradition of "buying more cars to get the car you want" routine.

[@hjvh78ho]

I have had 4 x 911 turbo / s in the past 10 yrs and I have been rejected for a GT product 3 times by the same dealer (UK) during that same period. I'm a single guy that doesn't need 5 cars but thats exactly what Porsche tried to get me to buy. After buying my 4th turbo s (992) and being rejected on a 992 GT3 I have just given up with main delaers completely now. I absolutely hate the fact that I had to go into the dealership and get told by some 20 yr kid that knows nothing about cars why I can't have the car I want, they have just become so lazy and rude that I won't bother now.

[@FlyingTigersKMT]

I can relate! When I go to the corner liquor store for my generic cigarettes they act like they don't even want to serve me! So I go to the gym at the corner and just buy singles from him. Customer service matters!!!😅😅😅

[@janjson435]

The problem is that there are suckers who accept being screwed by the dealerships. I have a friend who has had a 930 twenty years back, then a 993 t, then a 996 GT3 Mark I, bought a used 991 GT3 CS Gen 1. Afterwards he ordered a new 991 GT3RS at the dealership in Göteborg but in order to get on the waiting list had to buy a new in-stock Cayenne S on credit… A few years later this poor guy wants to buy a 992 GT3RS at the same dealership. He gets on the waiting list if he flips his then current RS into them at list price minus a deduction of SEK X AND buys another in-stock new Cayenne Hybrid which he cant afford. The poor guy accepts it and take the Cayenne on credit then have to sell it on the used market with a substantial loss. All friends where astonished how he accepted being so screwed and lose loads of money dealing with the dealership. Now he has a car, lots of debt and no cash left

[@russellinvest]

I agree with everything you said. Crazy times for sure....

[@Evermoregreen23451]

Anyone with more money than sense is welcome to the cars you mention in your vlog. The cost of maintenance To keep your service history record up to date with the dealership for future resale is a massive rip off. Try claiming on a warranty. Buy pre used from other dealers bypassing the authorised dealerships.

[@WahabGoldsmith]

The US needs to adopt laws in place to stop mark ups over MSRPs. Pretty much most of the world operates in this manner. Thankfully, living outside the US means I got all my 911s and my recent 4RS at MSRP. Which, speaking of 4RS, I’ve seen dealers ask 330K (120K mark up) for. That’s insane. Where I live, selling for over MSRP is considered illegal. Now, I wouldn’t also put all the blame fully on US regulators, but also Porsche themselves. These dealerships are ruining the brand Porsche sets itself to be. I remember growing up as a kid and watching commercials boasting about the experience of purchasing a Porsche from the purchase to the drive. Porsche HQ needs to start cracking down on markups and revoke licenses on dealers that are honestly just taking advantage of the brand.

[@cluburlauber]

PJ thanks for sharing and you’re 100% right. Porsche does the same RLX does with their basic watches and stupid people fall for the strategy. The hype is over and everyone will realize it sooner than later. Cheers

[@ghanimrocks]

hell ya these dealership have lost there mind, i wish we could tagged these dealership's or the manufacture's on youtube so they know what everyone is saying.

[@porschetech2491]

I worked at a Porsche dealer as a tech for 16 years. The sales dept & dealer principal was one of the reasons I left. Their attitude towards ripping people off and their dishonest behaviour made me sick. They are worse than vultures. All they see is $$$$$$. Unfortunately there are some people who have more money than sense and don’t care how much money over msrp it is. They will still buy it. 👎🏽👎🏽

[@omidkhub8375]

Thank you for this. Indeed the same is happening in the UK. I refuse to fall victim of the scandalous behaviour. Although Ferrari eventually called me to invite me to pick up the model I want. Generally, both brands do exactly what you say. Recent example was that an 812 comp (with all the option which came to £575k) is offered to me (supposedly by invite) at £1.2m. And I won’t be the first registered owner! Outrageous. You can imagine the answer they’ve got - put it where the sun doesn’t not shine! £650k over list price! Is insane!

[@NapoleonDynamyte]

What we really need is direct to consumer sales with dealerships focusing on repairs and accessories.

[@rockymountain40]

He’s correct up to a point, but he didn’t tell us how he would allocate 4 cars with 300 applications. Should Porsche flood the market as Merc did with the terrible GTR and GTS models? Supply and demand! If you listen to this guy and wait you’ll wait for a very very long time, Porsche didn’t start this in 2020, the people started this in 2020, although GT Porsche products have always been exclusive maybe with the exception of the GT4, but to say the GT4RS “you’d have to buy one to get the GT3RS” and you don’t want the GT4RS is total and blatant nonsense, 40 GT4RS’s have been allocated to the UK, Porsche had thousands of applications. But my question is still, how would he as a dealership allocate 2 cars to hundreds of customers? Just another minor point when my pal was allocated one of the GT4RS’s never was a mention by the salesman he would have to sell the car back to them, however he did and has been allocated the new GT3RS, he always has an interim from Porsche and doesn’t lose a penny as the dealership gives him what he paid as has happened several times. A little information can be dangerous, I suggest doing a little more research with buyers and dealers instead of bad mouthing brands that maybe decided they didn’t want to work with you for whatever reason and not labeling hardworking, underpaid salesmen as bouncers. My last point is if I wanted Tom Cruise to star in my movie about a daffodil at the bottom of my garden and I offered him £50 he’d probably say no! That’s because he’s exclusive, might not be for ever but for now he is. Get over it lick your wounds and move on!

[@garynovick2233]

He is just being salty because he couldn’t get gt3rs for MSRP LOL

[@daviddoan9447]

I tried to get a GT3 this past month and they told me the same thing, this is in Houston. Sales person stated that they need you to be a repeat buyer or of course money will talk, or hundreds of thousands of market up for an allocation. Tbh, I think it should be like first come first serve or highest paid get the allocation, instead of a repeat customer that "should" sell it back to the same dealer. The sale's person was giving me some excuse to why that is but I didn't care to listen to that nonsense. Just scroll through the comments and you can also see repeat 911 buyers and still having issues with markets and the tactic is too get them to purchase vehicles not a GT series. It is what it is, but this video is right from the comments.

[@neillgowans4350]

You’ve clearly missed the point Gary.

[@maniackyjr]

Race horses turned into circus ponys 🤡

[@armandopiedra4913]

Always amazing car 🏎 investment advice

[@gabrielarch5242]

My Porsche dealership (Canada…B.C.) has always treated my with respect and courtesy! No “bs” and excellent service. Maybe a Canadian thing!

[@gabrielarch5242]

@@stormforge68 Porsche Centre Victoria. Top recommendation from my experience.

[@neillgowans4350]

It’s a sales law thing making the dealership tow the line. Without the laws in place Canadian dealerships would be the same as most other places.

[@gabrielarch5242]

@@bondking0077 🙏🏻

[@et4920]

PJ always telling the truth and these videos are worth more than gold......

[@AverageCarGuy]

I don't always agree with you PJ, but you nailed this one. Porsche really needs to figure out who it wants as customers. A very select few collectors? Or the tens of thousands who want to buy 911s but can't. I really don't understand their tactics. I got my 992 GT3 used and near sticker, but I would never pay these crazy ADMs.

[@maxamillion5711]

Agreed I haven’t bought a Porsche cause they said the same thing I never thought about it this way I’ll buy a used one now that I know work around it

[@MrStlvette]

I love Porsche & currently own a Panamera Turbo, what an amazing car. I also own several other sports cars. I have a 2020 C8 Corvette & drove it to my local Porsche dealer about 2 months ago. It’s paid for & was looking to possibly trade in for a new 911 Turbo. I spoke with the young GM of the dealership, he told me they weren’t interested in the trade & wanted 60k over for the car they had in-stock. I gotta tell you I was blown away! Haven’t made a move but I’m not paying 60k over so a used 911 or Lamborghini might be the direction I go. SUPER disappointed Porsche would allow customers to be treated so poorly. You are correct things will turn around some day & hopefully people remember this BS.

[@synapse1able]

I agree I went to a Porsche dealership. I was completely ignored until I went to the service desk, and there a Salesman condescendingly spoke to me

[@tbtb196]

Talked to my local P dealer after buying a GT4 in 2020 then trading it back for a .2 GT3 and wanting a new 992 GT3. They said they would sell me the GT3 allocation for 25 K over, and offered me 25K under market value and would only do the deal if I gave them my car now and waited. Also wanted me to take a GTS at 25K over until the GT3 came in… ohh, and I couldn’t sell it and had to trade it in when the GT3 came in. It was the dumbest thing Ive ever heard. But hey, they do have a used Red GT4RS for 320K LOL.

[@anthonyromano6921]

Yep…It’s turned into a game. Was on the hunt for a GT4. Ended up finding one. Went back and fourth on price and we could not come to an agreement. The worse part was I need more about this particular car which the dealer was selling because I did my HW on it. Couple days later go to another local Porsche dealership. Put in an allocation on a GTS 4.0. Was promised it would arrive at around one year. Dealer ran my finances, took a cc to hold for deposit. Said in two weeks I would see the deposit on my cc. Ended up not getting charged for a deposit because the dealership does not have any allocations………

[@ramindavani]

Never ever buy a car from dealerships. They try to sell their garbage way overpriced and buy your car 60% of its real value. Just DON"T.

[@dylansadventures1156]

I had exactly zero of the problems you described getting my GT3RS allocation.

[@tychristian5769]

Not all dealers are like this. Mainly the higher volume dealers are the ones playing this bs game

[@sunset986S]

In 2011 I purchased a used 986S as my retirement car...as a factory worker that's all I could afford. I've heard all the jokes about it not being a real Porsche but I really do love it! In the early days I had all service done at the nearest Porsche dealership an hours drive away. Then I found an independent garage with Porsche experience three blocks from me. I went from $160/hr to $90/hr labour and a 2 min. drive from my house. The Porsche dealership still leaves messages five years later that my car is overdue for maintenance...lol

[@Strawberry_kit200]

My husband and I have been Porsche clients for many years. Just bought a 2024 in Feb. we want to build a car so thought on the 911 Turbo S which they have the allocation for but with a 50,000 ADM for a total of approx 330,000. We did negotiate the ADM down to 35,000.. still crazy to me but I’ve decided that I want a 718 Spyder RS build instead which they have an allocation too. Which is about 100,000 less. My sales guy said that the RS spyder is a market vehicle with about 75,000 to 100,000 ADM that’s nuts. He said I’ll be paying way more for this than the Turbo S. Over 330,000 for a 200,000 tops car. Makes me so upset. I try to stay loyal but this crap makes it hard. Thanks for the video. You open my eyes. 👀 I’m a new subscriber. Your videos are very informative. 🤣

[@jnox8547]

Watch industry is doing the same thing. Want an AP, Rolex,Patek, VC...buy a women's two tone model first and we'll put you on a list for a more popular model. Your video is correct. I went to San Diego Porsche dealership on Balboa to buy a Panamera and I couldn't get anyone to help me. I took my money elsewhere (Orange County).

1) Mostly exotic rentals and people who want to modify would buy those "unwanted" and they'd become cheaper 2) They would buy those demanded cars and flip them after some time (or make "long time rental" not to break that no-flip period). 3) unwanted would need to be better or more base level (cheaper) 4) Dealerships/brands not doing that would take some of their market share.

[@markrayban2050]

Sadly, a client of mine bought a new GT3RS for $200k over. I couldn't believe it.

[@ExoticCarHacks]

He must hate money

[@Je_suis_Jefe]

2 problems 1- Illegal exporting 2- Fake clients cause fake mark-up All manufacturers are tired of the used car market bubble.

[@Tegridynews]

I would never purchase a home in an HOA more or less buy a car with restrictions. Lmfao 😊

[@OpenBarn]

This is why i will forever stick with the older cars!

[@craigclark3480]

You are so spot on. This is a short sighted gain as the markets always level off for products that are produced in volume.

[@Kopasettic]

Amazing content pj as usual

[@siddhantgupta4033]

Calling out Lamborghini on this as well. A certain dealership in Thousand Oaks California took a deposit on the Revuelto. A year later, after sitting on 10k of mine, they first call me saying they can't get me an allocation. Fair enough, hard to believe on a new car but whatever. 2 days later somehow they could get me car no. 6 if I bought an AMG Black series from them? At, I'm not even kidding, 50k above market value. Which was already 100k above MSRP then. A merc dealer literally a block away was selling one for 40k less. Absolute scammers.

[@ChristopherPortorreal-ol2mj]

Lamborghini never messes with their customers and they'll give it to you without the ferarri tactics.

[@siddhantgupta4033]

@@ChristopherPortorreal-ol2mj lmao who told you that? They absolutely do that. You couldn't buy a SVJ or Ultimae without being a long time stooge. Even for the revuelto they're forcing Uruses down your throat.

[@doctorj7112]

This is the very reason I left the brand. I wanted a 992 GT3 and I bought 2... TWO 992 S and still NEVER got one. I recently sold my 992 because honestly non GT cars are boring.

[@travr1131]

When you have someone like Jay Leno saying he won't buy a Ferrari because of their ridiculous gatekeeping, you know there are going to be future problems. I agree with him too and apply it to Porsche as well...I'm not jumping through one single ridiculous hoop to have the "privilege" of handing over my money to a dealer! I'll just keep my 2009 997 Turbo (which I do love) for the rest of my life at this point. I found a great independent Porsche specialist to do the routine maintenance that is beyond my skill/patience level and only visit the dealer for the occasional odd part. My car has been trouble free, so I will give Porsche credit for building a well engineered and reliable car, but they REALLY need to fix the sales/dealer experience. Why in the world would a 911 Turbo driver want to buy a Macan to get a possible future allocation of a new 911 Turbo? Insanity! If you have a nice car, keep what you have, enjoy knowing the title is in your hands and go drive and enjoy it! Life is short!

[@Emilemetznp]

Never had problems at the Dutch Porsche dealerships. Great service, nice people and always feel really welcome there.

[@stevemundie8495]

I don't understand this market? If Porsche and Ferrari salespeople are so rude and try to screw their customers, why wouldn't you just go to Lamborghini? YOU ARE THE CUSTOMER BUT these 2 brands want you to BEG TO GIVE THEM MONEY! Very strange world we live in. Excellent video as usual PJ!

[@a.c.e.7568]

Now you know how Porsche dealers can finance their racing programs.

[@zerooneonetwothree1872]

They also have 90%+ margins on spare parts, which is also a huge part of their income, considering how hard people drive Porsches, many even use them on track, ill try to find one video that i remember watching... kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5XCh5Z5i8psqbM& Here it is.

[@713vinh]

Porsche dealers will go bankrupt if they continue to play the Ferrari BS game. I would never play this game with them even if I was a billionaire. There are plenty of nice used examples out there.

[@ChristopherPortorreal-ol2mj]

Yeah but Lamborghini never messes with their customers

[@IfcproductionsLLC]

My uncle purchased a 911 gts from champion porsche in florida. They sold him a gts that was badly tuned without telling him so the car ended having a bunch of issues. They refused to compensate or to pay to fix the car’s issues. So my uncle sued them and then banned my uncle for suing them

[@ExoticCarHacks]

see my other video on how they scam people

[@ChristopherPortorreal-ol2mj]

Banned for suing them lol they should compensate instead of being so childish. Ferrari or Lamborghini wouldnt sell you a defective car and make you fix it yourself

[@MrSchn3ll]

I'm picking up a new 992 this week and I've spend $400k+ at Porsche over the past 3 years - I haven't been asked to pay any ADM yet, but I'm not getting any GT cars yet. When I pick up my car, I'll put my name on the list for a GT3 (2-3 year wait maybe but it's a high volume dealer so might be less) and fingers crossed they don't try the ADM game.

[@jimphillips3669]

You are spot on. I’m glad you’re bringing this to light.

[@georgeyung3546]

Just like PP , AP and Rolex. 5 to 6 years ago you could go in and buy one of these watches and get a discount from 10 to 20%, depending on the model. Solid gold Daytona expect 20%. Watches at the AD is going to be giving discounts for sure with interest rates climbing.

[@depthsounderdave]

Exactly, they couldn’t get rid of the mil-gauss and offered up to 30% off the hard to move models circa 2016.

[@alecrl1]

Yes agreed tough times ahead for some people it may not affect most Porsche or Ferrari buyers but it will have an effect on car sales

[@juandanzilo9324]

Everything you said in this video is true. Some Atlanta dealers in particular has become terrible to deal with. Sadly it’s not only sales that have become complacent. It’s a shift in quality across departments.

[@Sim_baah]

So True I work with Exotic Car dealers now in the used market and have gotten alot of Porsches in the past 3 years and they treat their customer like family. Every-time I go to a new car store they treat me with the attitude of we dont care we just want you out of our store.

[@jenniferharris7633]

Ugh, I've been saving up to buy a GTS4.0, but now you've got me dreading the process. In your opinion, are smaller town dealerships better to work with than the big city dealerships? For example, I live in Houston but am considering talking to the El Paso dealership instead of one here.

[@ballerblocks]

The reality is that, most people are buying cars they cant really afford, if you cant own it outright=you cant afford to own it, buy a car enjoy it, keep it for a long time, but when you always want the latest and greatest, then dont complain when people profit over your insecurity.

[@soda5730]

Newsflash: Dealers are going away. The manufacturers are going to sell direct.

[@glennpearson4699]

I agree with mainly everything you have said, except I wouldn’t be unhappy to hand back a GT4 RS at no loss to then get a GT3 RS. Thats a very nice position to be in.

[@peterrabbit2719]

Sounds like a great setup for a class action suit.

[@sfb1219]

I'm glad you brought this up ... I don't want to buy a shyt box to get something nice ... as someone who worked at Ford dealership and used dealerships ... I thought what porche does I'd disrespectful!!!

[@ceochariots5142]

I think Lamborghini is doing it with the revuelto you can’t resell once you buy it

[@ExoticCarHacks]

u can, just one year restiction thats it. Like all other lambos in last 24 months

[@rizmua]

I’m so upset with my Porsche dealership, and you’ve hit it right on the spot!

[@FelixCervantes]

When I got my 997, I got a slot when it first came out with a simple handshake. No money required until I picked up the car. I was able to spec it to what I wanted. The initial cars were at the dealers in late August/September, I got my car in October. That was Circle Porsche in Long Beach. Unfortunately, they were bought out recently. The worst is Beverly Hills Porsche, a salesman, Samuel, who claims he is a top salesman in the country, has to joyride every single car when they arrive on the truck. He drives them at least 10 to 15 miles.

[@isserdigan2835]

As a former Porsche owner. I can say this is true. Charging ADM on loyal customers is very insulting.

[@hauolireeves9738]

I live in Hawaii we have no race track or anywhere to really drive a performance vehicle like the cars you mentioned. My dream is to take delivery of a new Turbo S in Germany and drive it on the Nurburgring and tour Europe. I’m limited in that sense of not purchasing it from the dealer. At least the wait on a Turbo S is only 2.5 years and not 8 years for the GT cars.

[@ovs4744]

Just rent one to tour Europe

[@i344679]

Rolex AD has been doing this type of sales practice for a long time too

[@Samy_Rahman]

PJ 100% correct down to the the T. Brilliant as always. Have benefited a lot from ECH and ECH2, esp with the updates made to the content via PJ's real-time insights.

[@teriok6783]

I recently recorded an experience at my local Porsche dealership that would make your jaw drop. Horrible!

[@mitchvintage5754]

You know we’ve been dealing with this with Rolex for decades now!

[@StormyMonday0896]

I bought a pre owned turbo s, loving it. Not playing these games

[@AJ-dc2tt]

Very simple fix stop buying Porsche and Ferraris hurt the dealership the consumer with money got the real power but u let dealer's take ur power.

[@lachlanpatterson5651]

I agree with what you say, the same experience here in Australia. I would also suggest to buy something maybe up to 2 years old with low kms.

[@MikeLambro]

They have lost their minds how are they still in business? It’s crazy

[@bioshock9998]

This isn’t every single dealership luckily. They sell their suv’s very well and ppl lease them for cheap. But also the iffy dealers rack up the price for their 911’s and 718’s. I guess they want people who don’t give af about money. Terrible business model. Idk how their motorsports sector is doing so well.

[@RichardPainter-h3n]

It’s the same in UK - I’ve found at Porsche, Maserati, Range Rover they’ve become “order takers” nor helpful sales/facilitators - lazy, unresponsive, even when chased!

[@RobertPalubjak]

Same happened to me, I was told if i want a gt3rs I would need to buy close to 1M of cars I don’t want I stopped dealing with Porsche, I don’t believe in begging a dealer for my business

[@a.c.e.7568]

I love your comment at 0:16. I really hate the arrogance of any business thinking they have the upper hand. Luckily, I bought a low mileage (98 mile) 2015 Porsche 991.1 Carrera 4 GTS with a 7-speed manual in 2018, 3 years and 1 month after the original purchaser took deliever. Why such low mileage? The reason you gave, he had to buy cars to get a GT3 and since then he has had two or three GT3. I do not buy cars at a peak or $100K over MSRP. Would you buy stocks at a peak; who would. Porsche can suck the big one, besides, a GT3 is not a comfortable street car.

[@a.c.e.7568]

@@bondking0077 Yes dumb and uninformed people do.

[@timbo8917]

Porsche is clearly happy with this scenario especially as they keep increasing the prices at an eye watering rate

[@phoenixrising4573]

Just like the mint printing more $, the wall is coming up for them..... they'll run face first into it