Extended version | Safe Life Defense FRAS Armor

There's lots of talk on social media about the current need for body armor. Isn't it sad that we live in a word where you even have to THINK about such a thing? Well, I have LIVED in a world where we NEEDED to wear rifle rated body armor on the modern battlefield. Yes, it sucks. However, it is part of "playing the game" when you sign up for a military at war. Over my 25 years of military service, I have seen many changes in military gear, including Body Armor.
Special Thanks to Scott from Kentucky Ballistics for his guest appearance in this video. If you are not following/subscribing to Kentucky Ballistics, you are missing out on some funny stuff.
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[@klk1900]

So I’ve treated thousands of GSWs I’ve seen a few cops in the ER with soft armor and the injuries they have are no where near as dramatic. Yes you will be bruised. I think I’ve seen 4-5 cops shot with soft armor. One of them had a cracked sternum but he walked in the ER and walked out 8 hrs later from a 40 cal. Shot. My point The human body is way stronger than people think. Humans are not as brittle as people think.

[@chilIychilI]

Had 2 friends that were shot in the face in different instances. One shooter claimed he shot at the ground so that was a possible ricochet. But they both lived. Teeth helped to stop the round in both cases.

[@thevalorousdong7675]

Just a .40? Try taking a slug, a .44, or anything that's *actually* strong to a vest and get back to me

[@jeremymetcalf2502]

@@thevalorousdong7675 what criminal is walking around with a 44?

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

Are we talking handgun rounds? Rifle? Sub or super Sonic?

[@spin-cthrowshands5553]

@@thevalorousdong7675 This guy 😂🤦‍♂️

[@iyn1911]

The first 22 minutes of this long version really tell the story better than the short version.

[@osker4738]

Karl is about the only host around that I respect enough to happily sit and listen to 20 minutes of rambling before getting to the point of the video. Karl is the definition of legend.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Thanks for the support

[@JB-uk7mn]

This is so true 😂

[@franekfrankowski339]

flamethrower: goes off Karl: *visible happiness* Very good content. I appreciate the stories, and knowledge.

[@franekfrankowski339]

and destruct..... scientific testing

[@hammerhound168]

Aye, but most importantly " their service". Thanks Gents. Wish my old butt could have been with y'all !

[@jasonespinoza5105]

The thing I found most helpful about this video is it clarifies the difference between military mission and civil mission.

[@christopherflynn6743]

$2500.00 body armor, it better stop a bill collector as well..

[@CH-ce5jv]

For good rifle rated armor, that's normal for a set of plates at level 4

[@MNDashcam]

Getting medevaced to your local trauma hospital there's a little bit more than what the armor costs. And if you don't need the medevac and you just need the sled to the morgue that cost a little bit more than the medevac.

[@nflo873]

I'll pay that anyday

[@jl8628]

$1600

[@narendra7817]

He made that comment 3 years ago. Prices have dropped. ​@@jl8628

[@Dcook85]

This system is absolutely the future. I can tell you from experience in wearing all forms of body armor, that weight is absolutely a consideration. I've run steel plates in my kevlar outer carrier, and found that I was getting spinal compression and bulging discs in my back. This FRAS system is not only lighter but just as you pointed out, better distributed. This armor is an absolute game changer for soft armor going forward and it won't be long that the level II and level IIIA armor types will be relegated to more of a sideline role.

[@BlerGDNY]

I used to prefer more steel plates, now I prefer Kevlar ones with ceramic and other resistant materials, the metal plates only cover the thorax and do not go lower, they weigh a lot and can release shrapnel if you do not have a vest that does not trap the shrapnel . but now I prefer the FRAS panels because they cover more parts of the torso such as the stomach and part of the intestines and lateral sides, they protect against shots from the most commonly used ammunition, it is flexible, and less spacious, to avoid impact trauma you put a trauma pad, there is one thing to add and that is, it can also protect from stabbing by ceramic.

[@jordendavid8992]

@@BlerGDNYI’d honestly take less protection for more coverage and flexibility/weight distribution

[@Iam_Machines]

One of the most comprehensive lesson and real world body armor presentation on KZbin. Thanks for the info Sgt Major 👍

[@TacticalRifleman]

I appreciate that!

[@nathangmail-user8860]

Karl: *Turns so the camera can't see him shoulder the pistol brace* ATF: next time, sucker. Next time.

[@HangtownTactical]

The ATF removed that stipulation. They went back and forth but as of now it’s okay to shoulder them👍

[@BigTomInTheBasement]

@@HangtownTactical they went back and forth bc they couldn't enforce the requirement in court without a big legal battle that they would likely lose, ultimately.

[@Nicksperiments]

The ATF doesn’t get to decide how I hold a gun

[@spacechimp3199]

@@HangtownTactical so ridiculous

[@Democrats_are_a_disease]

@@Nicksperiments yes, especially when an unshouldered firearm is an unsafe uncontrolled firearm.

[@bromma1979]

Overkill is a underrated achievement!

[@johnoldman5877]

Definitely prefer the extended version with the detailed explanation; thank you. I was very surprised to see it defeat M80 ball as well, even though not rated to do so. I was part of their initial pre-order, and have had mine for a while. It carries well with the weight being distributed. Glad to see I chose wisely.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Congrats. It is great armor

[@crafty714]

I knew a young man that jumped out of a deuce and a half, with all his battle rattle on, blew out s couple of disc in hid back. My mother always told me "take care of your back!" I really should've listened to her.

[@Tacdriver10]

Thank you Karl. For you to go the extra mile and give us a real true to life experience to convince us to wear the armor instead of being lazy and trying to look cool really shows that you care and I do appreciate that. Cause when shit happens it happens. Thank you.

[@justaformer11b95]

I really liked my IOTV and opted out of the plate carrier swap when my unit switched. I was a grenadier and would never have been able to carry everything on a PC, and I liked the weight distribution of the IOTV. My IOTV did feel lighter than the PC despite being heavier.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Agreed

[@russream3732]

Sherif of Bagdad; “a reason we have not won a war since WWII is our LOSS of Continuity”. We need your knowledge (and others like you) to remain accessible to the Teams and also at the Battalion level. We can’t keep relearning over and over as if it is the first time. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. (RLTW; just the school and I served with a large group of men better than me in 3rd SFG).

[@TacticalRifleman]

Strength & Honor, TR

[@sheydonmickelson6274]

I wish he wold have shown the back face deformation of each round. Nice video love the idea of higher level soft armor.

[@robashley8216]

Sorry to hear about that LT, he sounded like a pretty squared away dude

[@Renaldo135]

Excellent video and thank you. I served with the 7th Marines in the Gulf then another almost thirty years on Patrol as a Patrol Officer in the South and learned much from your video after wearing body armor most of my life and still learned a great deal from this video Sir. Thank You. I'm retired but now it's looking like I'm gonna half to buy my own body armor for a part-time gig even though I'm retired.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Thank you for your service. TR

[@SheepDogNumber6]

Flame thrower is great crowd control.

[@miguelignacio7964]

Great for those "peaceful" protests.😂

[@qedcharlie]

@@miguelignacio7964 Looks like a demo politician control device

[@d.m.murray7710]

@@miguelignacio7964 - IS a ‘Peaceful Protestor’ available for immolation? Flame thrower is a big spectator success?

[@forrestnelson4429]

Long winded? Never!!

[@TacticalRifleman]

Yeah, I know... I'm long winded.

[@cheryljason9617]

I shot my buddies 224 Valeriy at 150 yards and almost as soon as I would press the trigger it was dinging steel... those rounds are screaming down range...

[@steveday72]

From an engineering standpoint - If there's only one layer of hexagonal tiles then there's a gap between the joints. The weakest point is where 3 tiles meet and you have a "Y" shaped junction of gaps. For more consistent protection they should've used 2 layers of hex tiles, aligning the layers so that the weakest point -at the junction of 3 tiles- is overlapped by a complete tile. ...This configuration would leave far fewer gaps. If ceramic weren't so brittle then a big improvement would be to make the tiles interlock via an overlap on 3 edges. The design would not leave any gaps, but the joints would be subject to breaking because of the nature of ceramics.

[@kevin8202241993]

Great video! Karl, thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge. I hope more people can see this video because this will definitely save a lot of lives.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Thanks for the support

[@MobileAura]

As free spirited as he is, you can easily see/feel he's a former SGT Major. This guy is a my favorite gonna wait until the price drops then I'm getting the FRAS. Hopefully by the time that my plates expire FRAS will be the future/standard.

[@CC-oy8ii]

It’s like 30% off right now

[@calvinbriggs3798]

i dont mean to be offtopic but does anyone know a method to log back into an instagram account..? I was stupid lost my account password. I love any tricks you can offer me

[@chasejefferson2022]

@Calvin Briggs Instablaster :)

[@calvinbriggs3798]

@Chase Jefferson I really appreciate your reply. I found the site through google and I'm in the hacking process now. Takes a while so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.

[@calvinbriggs3798]

@Chase Jefferson it worked and I finally got access to my account again. I'm so happy! Thanks so much you really help me out !

[@darrellgoering2686]

Appreciate your extra stories sir. God bless

[@clarkabrpi3428]

The flack jacket is what we were issued back in the 70's. It's heavy to wear in the jungle when it won't even stop bullets.

[@Duschbag]

You two are ATE UP...! Thanks for all your hard wo... Thanks for taking us along on this fun adventure of yours. I'm surprised that the 7.62 x 51 Ball didn't pass thru. 🤔

[@Duschbag]

I actually ordered a set of this Armor because of your video. Should be here in another two weeks..!

[@TheBiggies4]

Love the “pew pew” comparisons! That is exactly what you see the KZbin operators wear 🤣 awesome informative video!

[@TacticalRifleman]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@ThatSB]

The hells a youtube operator

[@Apexarmoryffl]

KZbin sucks! I’ve been following you guys for over 3 years and I just NOW saw this video!

[@TacticalRifleman]

Yep, they hide our videos

[@adeniranm7647]

Thanks for posting the full version of the video. I appreciate your insight.

[@son_of_guns]

Love how your videos build upon each other for real life purpose, from simple as a sling all the way to everything else(A-Z) and their mission set for each

[@keithknechg3217]

Thankyou for clarity," rifle rated plates that disipate force" .i have been contemplating body armour,this scales down my thought process .well done ,coming from a vet info is highly valued.

[@TheHeal3152]

My friend your you tube articles have gotten excellent. I have bin around guns “all” the my life and I have learned a lot from your knowledge (thank you)

[@DesertMariner2007]

Loved every bit of this video. Very informative, eye opening, and fun to watch. Great Job, guys.

[@69sound81]

28:49 I saw it efectively stop a 30-06 round on very close proximity on a video by kentucky ballistics (of course not without serious damage to the user and possibly death if hit on the heart area). This ballistic vest is a beast. I want one for conceales use

[@rangerminiaturesandgaming3647]

Mission dictates the gear, if your doing DA raids in iraq where your landing right on the X then you can roll heavier, if your humping the mountains of RC east with offset infills or even worse where your landing on the alternate alternate LZ that heavy ass RBAV is not better than the plate carrier. I don’t think most people understand how much gear a soldier actually has to carry even for a “light” mission set.

[@silverpandaws6230]

I cant help but harp this enough. I was in the army and man people don't get it. Everybody wants a Gucci kit. It's all mission dependant. An old otv would be way better than a plate carrier in certain instances and a plate carrier may excel in other situations. Better to have a variety to work with than just one kit or weapon system. The most important weapon is Intel. That should govern what you should wear and bring to the field.

[@Joedaniels007]

Fr. This is the #1 rule for gear set up.

[@Joedaniels007]

​@@silverpandaws6230 agreed 100%

[@ronaldcoleman1323]

I was in Najaf in Jan 2005. You guys did a hell of a good job. Ive been toCamp David. I’ve got a good story about that. Thank you for your shows I really enjoy them. .

[@TedBronson1918]

Hahaha ! This was great fun to watch ! I'm glad you talked people through the days of flak jackets and up into body armor. I wore a flak jacket, but it was much tighter and stiffer than the one you showed, and I was out by the time they started with body armor.

[@septor-og6hi]

Love this video guys! Two of my favorite channels come together and shoot shit, just awesome.

[@boomdoggy]

AWESOME review & history lesson! Thank you for your service!!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@TheTmshuman]

Groin plate? I coincidentally have an ESAPI side plate in my groin flap. Nut tap from hell!

[@gregfulcher9695]

Love the extended version. Thanks TR team

[@majorhykroutdoors1986]

Awesome demo and review of the armor. I have a hunch that if the hard plates were added there might be different outcome with the larger calibers. This is definitely a lifesaver for most common engagement scenarios. Great work Karl. Really enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing. :)

[@DbolOnlyGangster]

I was national guard . I passed basic training and got to my lil NG unit in Texas . I didn’t stay for long due to me getting a general discharge , but this is something I literally had no idea about that made total sense to me . Especially when you talked about the young hero who was in the marines who was KIA because of a projectile coming at a steep angle . That scared the hell outta me when you said that because I have a pretty good plate carrier that isn’t like the “pew pew” guys. It’s pretty wide and I can put long side plates in it , but I literally didn’t think about the projectile coming at a very steep angle . I have nothing on my set up to protect me from that. Now I know to go back to the drawing board and re do my kit and re wire myself to think about those hidden shots that come outta nowhere . Thank you 🙏🏽 you are a great example and leader . I’m glad you are still here with us .

[@TacticalRifleman]

THanks for watching, TR

[@craigking391]

That was one of the most fun things I've seen on your channel. The ending was hilarious.

[@jeremiahgazsi8579]

LMAO!!!! The Dinasaur bit was *hysterical* on an already AMAZING video! LOVE YOUR CHANNEL!

[@robdean704]

Man this would have been welcomed when I was in and we were using Bristol plates, that thing wore a tonne and was capable of breaking your jaw if it rode up hard enough. In the UK we always seem to be a step behind the American military when it comes to the shit that makes a difference, we should get it about 3 years after we actually need it. And can i say how refreshing it is to have someone on one of these videos just bottom lining things and not trying to blind us with his genius, one of my favourite KZbin equipment channels, definitely top 3. Respect from England to Karl and his crew

[@TacticalRifleman]

Thanks for the support across the pond. Strength and Honor, TR

[@KinderYacht]

I was smiling the entire time. Great stuff bro!

[@TheCardFanatic]

Sir... Thank you for your service, dedication , and sacrifice..we all could never thank you enough, and people forget how much sometimes and we take for granted. Thank yo, again, and to your family aswell

[@patricki5859]

Karl, you’ve done it again. I’ve been on bed rest for the last week or so, passing the time on KZbin. I’ve only been watching sub 5-minute videos- until now. Watched this entire video in one sitting! Made me feel tons better too!

[@TacticalRifleman]

Awesome. Hope you heal quickly

[@jeffspringer7374]

Outstanding fellas keep up the good work , much appreciated

[@wolfenstien13]

I appreciate the story you told. I find it difficult to talk with people on body armor. They are all dead set with plate carriers but I look at the casualties statistics. Fragmentation is the bigger killer.

[@teddysalad8227]

Karl should interview the SEAL who was shot 27 times on an op. His plates stopped 11 of the rounds. The other 16 rounds hit him. And he survived. And went back on duty.

[@allthecommonsense]

FRAS or traditional ceramic/steel plate? I assume the latter.

[@teddysalad8227]

Common Sense in the interview I watched I don’t think he specified. His name is Mike Day. There’s lots of interviews on KZbin with him. He might say which kind of plates he had in on of them. Just do a KZbin search on “shot 27 times” or on his name.

[@mjolnirswrath23]

My father was a SEAL is n Vietnam 65 to 68 ECM reconnaissance. 86 missions 37 encounters with the Enemy 16 CK's he mostly used a Gerber for the souls he took, Thompson 45 and a 1911 no body armour died 2011 brain cancer from Agent Orange

[@mjolnirswrath23]

Dad always taught Speed , Mobility and Stealth are far more beneficial than clunking around with excessive weight.

[@trevorphillips4595]

18:30 Very true. I love those long stories and wealth of information! Many thanks! Perhaps the most realistic was in the 1995 movie "Heat", just after main bank robbery scene, where Chris(Val Kilmer) is shot with the 5.56mm in this exact spot, which almost completely puts him down, with a lot of tissue damage and his clavicle fractured(we learn that later in the movie, when they go to the 'doctor'. He barely limps out, but with the help of Neil(De Niro). Having a heavy money bag over his shoulder doesn't help either. Movie itself have had a great help - 2 UK's SAS ex-operators. The actors trained beforehand, for a few months, with the live ammo - in the old style of "chicken wing", which I always wondered who 'invented' that "chicken wing" style of shooting? I know it goes back to WW2, when it can be seen in the training videos.

[@mucci8172]

Damn. The things you learn everyday. Thanks for the content man.

[@Cmoth040]

Velocity penetrates armor. Not shocked the .224 at 3400 penetrated the compromised section of the panel. Good to know it would get stopped by the uncompromised section.

[@MR.GRIMM760]

That was AWESOME! Informative and fun. Nice job gents 👍🏻🇺🇸

[@officalDjDropTheBass]

One of the possible problems I can see with this plate is, like we saw in the video, is if you had a wider spread of those buck shot, or shrapnel, you could completely weaken a very large portion of this plate.

[@The_SmorgMan]

There’s always a trade off.

[@thealize808]

@@The_SmorgMan they call that marriage💀

[@bige2259]

What ever plate Mike Day was wearing sure held up , think it was 11-15 rds of 556 and 7.62x39 , plus another 10 or so to the body and killed all of the bad guys , got up and cleared the house and walked to the bird

[@byrondaniels421]

Best comprehensive video I've seen in learning about body armor. Thanks SGT MAJ

[@TacticalRifleman]

Glad it was helpful!

[@pitbull82]

That 50 BMG short BBL FDE version is just dead sexy. Gotta love a Barrett

[@rubenjimenez5213]

Great video, like the part when Karl mention( to pass true windows and car doars) 😂😂, awesome keep up the good work💪💪👍👍

[@vincentst.romain1616]

Great video Karl. Very informative and entertaining.

[@ringo7719]

I love the realism you bring to the table.

[@feldwebel5]

A little time after Second Chance body armor came out, someone donated them to the P.D. where I worked. I decided to buy my own vest made by Point Blank because it had side panels, had coverage, and far better carrier than Second Chance. Wore it every shift or assignment even in the heat of NC summers.

[@williamgreene5488]

Wore one the newer version in Storm Shield as well. Thank you for your service brother.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Likewise. Thank you for your service. TR

[@codyg294]

Thanks for this. wanted this more then the shooting part!!

[@onereddfoxxx]

Very good video Karl. Informative and also fun!

[@charlesarpjr1066]

Most comprehensive body armor video on KZbin. Real life explanation about what it is and how to use it. All other videos on subject matter delete and tap out. SafeLife seems to have developed superior product. Improving basic rubber tire to a steel belted radial. Dragon fire? Shut the front door!

[@MRohCRACKER]

I was actually expecting a Raufoss round out of the Barret to be the trump card. But then it was a Flamethrower! Even better.

[@davidd.7251]

Great Video! Specially the first part where you share experience that is unique to you. I learned something that is not available otherwise. This one is expensive for someone who is not in a dangerous line of work but I did buy their new Hyperline soft armour that is revolutionary thin. And I know they are working on the rifle Hyperline which will be the thinnest rifle graded body armour. Your experiment also shows the need for trauma pads.

[@mikecuntala9675]

This needs way more Likes! GREAT video!

[@albertarbelo]

Perfect video to end the day with.

[@robertmosher7418]

Don't forget the spare batteries for everything, your strobes, your nods, any breech equipment/water impulse charges with the iv bag tapped to cardboard backing with the det cord charge in between them, any thermite grenades needed, VS17 panels, some sort of emergency chow, chewing tobacco, and you must have a fighting knife of some sort. The list is endless of shit you need to have with you everytime you go out on patrol. Here's the deal...I had a buddy hit by a "sniper" and the one bullet of the three quick succession shots that hit him, struck him diagonally just to the side of his level four plate and tore through his soft armor. The bullet traveled through his right lung, ripped through his superior veinacava, continued through his left lung and exited his left lattimus dorsal. He was dead before he hit the ground and he didn't struggle or grasp at anything. The shock of the round and damage done by completely eviscerating the portion of the vascular system that brings all the blood to the heart to push through the body completely emptied his lungs, heart and head of all the blood and he died instantly. His brain might have has three seconds left of oxygen in his cells. No matter what you're wearing...a helmet, ballistic vest, level four plate and armored underwear...in Mosul Iraq...if your time is up, your time is up...

[@spacechimp3199]

Damn man. Sorry for your loss, God rest his soul.

[@orpheusepiphanes2797]

@Drea X If it missed the plate then any rifle round would have punched through

[@normtheteacher5485]

Very informative and helpful. I have to do a lot of research before spending $1600 on a vest. It is starting to look like it is worth it and may be getting one.

[@VanVeenTraining]

Haha! This was awesome! Really good info as well! It made me rethink my body armor choice.

[@hadenplum4843]

Scott: caught some brass to the face there Me from the future: you have no idea😬

[@The_Gallowglass]

That cryolator at the end was INSANE.

[@Plastikdoom]

Awesome collaboration, and flame throwers don’t care about your armor, haha. Well, definitely just found the solution for cqb now, the good ol flame thrower.

[@torchofkck4989]

"But, your buddy behind you is okay"... (You're almost fully guaranteed to make it home... just not guaranteed the condition that you get home in)

[@curiouslizard]

Very interesting, essentially a modern Brigandine.Great video!

[@achildnamedhotchick1739]

“Rick I love you buddy i’m not gonna put your name out there” LMFAOOOOOOO

[@erikmckaygunsmithing6470]

Love the armor tests. And the collaboration with Scott was good shit. Very funny ...we have to kill it!

[@bromma1979]

Great build up and explanation!👍🏻🇺🇸

[@darwinwilliams2852]

Really good video. Informative and entertaining. Great job.

[@robertmosher7418]

They designed the 855 to actually be a tungsten core but it was cost prohibitive. The tungsten core would have been a penetrating round, because tungsten is harder than steal and has I really high melting temp. The Army was having to replace the lead in the 5.56 small arms rounds to try to keep from poisoning the water sources below the ranges on posts. Tge idea was since they were going to replace the lead, they pondered using tungsten and I am not 100% sure if it was the cost or some other reason...say complete pass through of human targets so that damage was limited or something. I just remember having this conversation with a retired A team, team leader who I will not name without talking to him first.

[@allevin2848]

Very informative !! Enjoyed your presentation, thanks

[@steventurner9098]

Very good job, lots of information. Remember wearing the flak jacket mid 80's in the Army. Thankfully I was in West Germany and not to hot.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Thank you for your service, TR

[@jerryrichards8172]

It's so refreshing to see a utube cat telling you you need more than 3 magazines. In my gun fight I was working my way into my 3rd and last 30 round magazine. But I started thinking about that long before that 3rd magazine. I had boxed ammo in my pocket without enough cover to even reach them. I had 5 rounds left in my 3rd magazine when the gun fight ended. So I learned a valuable life lesson at the age of 15 yrs old (I'm 61 now) in the state of California. Your never safe from a gun fight and you never have enough ammo.

[@joshroten3997]

That was AWESOME guys; especially the last 5 minutes 🤪

[@RightWingNutter]

Nice. I’d like to see those little ceramic panels with some uhd polypropylene slabs behind them. Full coverage level IV!

[@ferebeefamily]

Top tier video with you both. Thank you.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@The1corintios13]

Excellent video! Thank!👍

[@boblong6759]

May be an unpopular opinion but, the first part of the video was more entertaining than the shooting portion. It's always fun to see thinks go pew pew but, that knowledge portion was highly informative and entertaining. Thanks man.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Glad you enjoyed it. This extended video didn’t get much love

[@hvyduty1220]

love your channel

[@chrisma1976]

This was well worth a watch.

[@prepper1013]

Hey here it is. Thanks for uploading Karl.

[@krakentacticaledc]

Man those old flak jacket are like boating life jackets. I bet they would have slowed you down heaps.

[@mghegotagun]

Well it comes in handy for that boating accident we lose our guns in.

[@Scupplin]

@@mghegotagun Even when I know this is being said in jest, it irritates me to no end. If the times comes that you are having to explain to some federal batman that your guns are lost, then the battle is already lost. There is a reason to have your rifle zeroed at 300 yards, it's just outside of interrogation distance.

[@zyeklonbey3545]

@@Scupplin then your house ends up like Waco

[@Scupplin]

@@zyeklonbey3545 then live the rest of your life on your knees begging those who control you for mercy. I'll die in hot pile of brass, surrounded with dead enemies of freedom.

[@Scupplin]

@@zyeklonbey3545 Also, do you think once it comes to door to door confiscations that the lowlifes who would conduct these operations are going to take even reasonable excuses under advisement? You better wisen up and realize the during the 20th century, governments managed to slaughter 250,000,000 non-combatant civilians. Democide is what the school boys refer to it as. With today's technology, the number of dead non-combatants is practically unlimited. Do you not feel a moral obligation to stop the spread of world-wide communism?

[@oldocsimms7411]

Outstanding!! The extended version is a massive like! Thanks Karl

[@genecps]

I was a bountyhunter, and I wore the sexy stuff when it ca to protection. But I completely agree with you, the more coverage the better. Many shooting cictims catch bulets to their front side / obliques. Thats just the way the bullet bounces. Pun intended.