Extra Credits Try to Charge Their Audience to Deal with Loneliness | EFAP Highlight

[@GreenDinoRanger]

"You just wanted to find a friend for online gaming, and all of a sudden... You're a Nazi!"

[@oldoutlet6946]

"You didn't choose this, you didn't ask for it. Yet there it is. Plain as day."

[@goukeban6197]

Hate to disappoint you, but that wasn't how it started. You see, it all began with this movie...

[@jakk2631]

Guss me and my gf /best friend are super nazi because that how we meeted

[@thethrashyone]

They will never live that down, deservedly so.

[@N00BSYBORG]

Wow, the guys who called everybody Nazis and unironically compared black people to orcs are lonely? I can't imagine why.

[@Coconut-219]

Spotted: a reformed WoolieVS viewer. Nature is healing.

[@GrugGangGrugGang]

@@Coconut-219 The swamp has lost another warrior.

[@TonyTama]

​@Coconut-219 after that godzilla minus one take. We are all healing.

[@N00BSYBORG]

@@TonyTama I actually haven't watched Woolie in years now. Did he have some really bad take on Godzilla Minus One that I'm unaware of?

[@owlsthirdeye6174]

​@@N00BSYBORGWoolie wished the movie talked more about the war crimes japan committed in WW2. He had a whole tangent with Pat about how Japan never talks about WW2 and that this was one of the only times they admitted how fucked up the existence of kamikaze pilots was.

[@FourOf92000]

Extra Credits has had complete staff turnover: _no one_ who started EC now works on it.

[@darthbiscuit]

a while back right before all the drama I was literally in the middle of writing a guest episode when the producer quit that gave me a bad feeling on the project so I just stopped working on it and not long afterwards I was glad I did

[@GafferPerkele]

EC is the actual answer to Ship of Theseus question.

[@samzilla567]

So basically just Rocksteady.

[@gunpuncher3817]

Isn't James Portnoy still the main writer for the project? This was always his baby, and he's always been a softy leftoid, so I'd be surprised if he left.

[@darthbiscuit]

@@gunpuncher3817 the producer worked for him

[@Hollyclown]

Extra Credits seriously gave me ‘Televangelist taking advantage of vulnerable people’ feelings with this one.

[@booperdee2]

its wacky how the worst facets of organized religion pop up in everyday ways like this. Its a people problem

[@matthewcarroll2533]

@@booperdee2 well people do what they see, like monkeys.

[@dean_l33]

@@booperdee2 Perhaps there is an organized religion at work here

[@marakbartly686]

​@dean_l33 religion mutated, it can not die

[@Stop_Gooning]

Do you BELIEVE that I want a Lamborghini Gallardo?! Can you FEEL my tax-exempt status??? CAN YOU *_FEEL_* THE NO-EARLY-PAYMENT FEES?!?!?!? *_LORD HAVE MERCY!!!_*

[@329link]

I hate this perception of games being an exclusively social hobby. It's never about the games with these assholes.

[@N0TYALC]

They don’t want it to be an exclusively social hobby. They want it to be about 30% politics, 1% socializing, and 69% giving your money to billion dollar corporations for nothing.

[@SFTaYZa]

Leftists and dystopian mega corporations ​@@N0TYALC

[@Stop_Gooning]

I greatly prefer single player games unless it's War Thunder.

[@Kris-wo4pj]

I usually just vc my friends while i game or text via discord. I only played bg3 and divinity with others. Oh and resident evil 5 was only good with a partner cuz the shitty ai was crap. I get generally upset having to play any other game multiplayer.

[@blackosprey2219]

I love how EC completely overlooks how their vision of The Good Old Days was just... being in elementary school. Adults don't crowd around Cool Gamer Guys because they're at work and busy. Oh em gee.

[@DMAN99]

I don’t wanna do this but to give EC the mildest of credit, he’s referencing loneliness in young gamers. Not adults.

[@RikkiSan1]

Video Games should be a hobby not a personality trait

[@reactiondavant-garde3391]

@@RikkiSan1 The problem this people lost theirs traditional identitise so now they cling to ANYTHING to feel like they belong.

[@blackosprey2219]

​@@DMAN99EC specifically addressed the loneliness of "young adults," not children. Most of those will either be in college or at work and not in an all-day school system like elementary or high school. So no, don't credit them for that either.

[@NightMotorcyclist]

@@RikkiSan1 and yet it only seems to apply to men. Maybe the anti-woke need to start doing the same towards females otherwise stop being hypocritical asshats.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

*They’re LITERALLY asking for a social credit score.*

[@NotCasualTomfoolery]

Extra credit score

[@marcogenovesi8570]

like all good leftists, they gravitate towards that

[@chaoticgoodcreations947]

Another W for the horseshoe theory.

[@SFTaYZa]

No one on the right wants a social credit score. ​@@chaoticgoodcreations947

[@gabetinsley4540]

Extra Credits, sponsored by the CCP.

[@TomH2681]

Ah, Extra Chromosome. My favourite channel.

[@franciscor390]

😂 Perfect description.

[@cmd31220]

"You know the thing thats made socializing in games exponentially more difficult in recent years and degraded the quality of the entire industry? What if we did MORE of that?" -Extra Credits, 2024

[@torlake4834]

Literally the main way to make friends online is “don’t be political”

[@cmd31220]

@torlake4834 not even. The way to do it is to just shit talk as you normally do, however you do, and let the chips fall where they may. If you're an extremist troll, I guarantee you WILL make friends online who are the same flavor of extremist troll you are. Exhibits A-Z being flat earthers building massive communities on social media based around their shared delusion

[@gaychampagnesocialist7213]

@@torlake4834 Saying the forbidden words online brought me friendships that have lasted over a decade at this point. Turns out edgy humor is a good connector, who would have thought?

[@pubcle]

@@torlake4834 Not exactly, it used to be actually kinda fun to just shoot politics over a game on XBL. Ya just needed to not take it with a pinch of comedy & not hate people for having opposing positions. It's the absolute suppression of speech & particularly banter alongside the rise of Discord that has really devastated in-game chat, as well as the reduction in lobby-up systems to play multiple games with the same group.

[@problematicspaghettios]

​@pubcle you mean you don't want MORE sbmm?!

[@David_the_Psalmist]

Extra Credits and their ilk don't realize that *they* are on the side of toxicity. There is no slur, swear word, or idle threat as toxic as the attitude that says: "I'm sad and lonely and it's all your fault!"

[@Black_Revue]

There are no lies in this statement

[@Flynn217something]

Wrong. The most toxic thing they and ilk do is 1. Worm their way into your hobby/community/group 2. Seize some form of institutional power within that group And finally 3. Self righteously declare " *you* are not welcome in *our* community!" As they boot out everyone not willing to worship them and their ideas.

[@mrdropkicker1]

Well they did it… Extra Credits made friendship pay-to-play.

[@Optimal4149]

Or as they say it, "different ways to monetize" friendship

[@David_the_Psalmist]

@@Optimal4149 "They were slinging preorders! They were slinging collector's editions!"

[@Inastewpopotogo]

the longer I get into this video the more unsure I get if he is jut not trying to scam some bucks out of lonely people

[@GreenNin9323]

I can't wait till there is a battle pass to unlock better quality friends

[@sardoniclysane]

My God

[@ShakalakaKing]

"'I'm perpetually amused by this pathetic attempt to fix the world." Out of context, good villain line. In context, very true. People just wanting to put training wheels online and duct tape on peoples mouths. Fragile minds belong in padded cells.

[@giulizpaviz6381]

Somehow Extra Credits returned

[@H_P_Lovecraft]

“Dark video making….retardation….secrets only Breadtube knew….”

[@BS-gk2cb]

You didn’t ask for it, you didn’t choose it

[@MrJohnlennon007]

@@BS-gk2cbbut there it is

[@fyka2902]

To Those Poor Unfortunate Souls: [Insert Rise of Skywalker quote below] Share your pain with us.

[@ProjectRedfoot]

Somehow HSHRBBRBDHCJSJJSBVSGF

[@Kurai_69420]

These people are lonely because all the cool people got labelled toxic and banned for banter and now everyone left refuses to use chat because they're one out-of-context joke away from the devs repossessing their $60 with no refund for the crime of being too funny.

[@JohnDoe-vm5rb]

Yeah, I almost never use In game chat because it's not worth anything these days

[@JamestheKilljoy]

These ppl are lonely because they chased the interesting and social ppl out of their community into the communties i game with. There are plenty of social communities out there, weve learned to gatekeep the losers like Extra Credits out our spaces, so we can have fun uninterrupted by politics and activism

[@Eisenwulf666]

this. The moment someone starts talking about "orcish racial bias" we just look at him in silence and make a mental note to not call him again. It's that simple. There are tons of big communities, online and live, that play games or role play or whatever they wanna do. I have a whatsapp group with 20 people where we compare pokemon speedrunners in a memetastic way, all men in their 30s with jobs and families, we have a beer once a month. What is he even talking about?

[@Aralaas]

Someone makes a joke. Everyone laughs. Except one guy. That guy starts writing to everyone under the sun who can get the funny guy banned. Everyone who defends the guy are toxic and get banned or silenced. People go somewhere else. Mr ban-happy wonders why everyone is so toxic. Clearly the problem is with the community.

[@isaac6077]

Giga maga based. Best wishes in the endevor to have a good time

[@Kris-wo4pj]

​@@isaac6077why ya gotta make this political?

[@realistic_delinquent]

Extra Credits is unequivocal evidence that the ship of Theseus no longer exists when every beam is replaced.

[@fireironthesecond2909]

Do you know the history of how Extra History fell apart? I left them years ago after being called a Nazi because I didn’t like Stalin but I don’t know the context as to how it got like that

[@phyrexian_dude4645]

@@fireironthesecond2909 It depends from person to person but there are 3 point when you could say those were the main reasons. 1. Their defense of anticonsumer monetization. This was around the time when loot boxes were at their high. They were, at the time, game developers working for companies pushing those and talking about it on negative light would had put their job on risk. The wise thing that they should had done at the time was to NOT talk about it but they decided to defend it... TWICE. Giving the impessions that they were sell outs on the worse of the worse of gaming. And that started the first wave of people leaving. 2. The exit of Dan from the channel and the entry of the current guy. If he left because he saw the writting on the wall and that the channel was doomed when the new people entered the channel, he was pushed out or he really wanted to do his own thing its up to debate. But what it undeniable is that, just like as game theory, the channel lost its face and voice and the direction of the channel started to shift. But those are the signs of the begining of the end for them but it was fine, they could had recovered... until... 3. The WWII teams video... you know the one... that was by far the absolute worst and impossible to defend take that they had ever had and the moment the channel was doomed. And if you add the mask off moment they had on Twitter on the backlash of that video with "if you dont like it, we dont want you here", well... their fall from nearly 3 million subs to their current numbers just said that we took that deal without looking back.

[@fireironthesecond2909]

@@phyrexian_dude4645 what’s the “world war 2 teams” video? I don’t think I stayed long enough to see that one? Also thank you for the explanation, its sad because I watched their videos religiously, Kursk, Bismarck, Genghis they were the sugar in my morning coffee and then I got called a Nazi when I said Stalin wasn’t a nice person and I was like “well fuck you too then” and never looked back. Since then I have gone to university studying history and I have at least learned that Extra History isn’t the exception and that a lot of historians are far-left leaning but it’s still sad seeing how far into pandering this once mighty historical channel has gone. It’d be like if Oversimplified came out one day as a Stalinist terrorist and started putting communist propaganda in all his videos it’d be absolutely soul destroying

[@phyrexian_dude4645]

@@fireironthesecond2909 On your first question... The video in question is "Stop Normalizing N*zis - Socially Conscious Game Design" (sorry for the stupid self censor but YT blocks comments for any word they dont like these days.) And here is the quote that killed their channel at the begining of the video: "There you are. Playing PVP in your WWII shooter. And all of the sudden, you are a N*zi. You didnt ask for this, you didnt chose this. Yet, there it is and it threated not differently than playing a British soldier." That line was so bad in so many levels that it simply showed that the ones that were trying to push an agenda and no longer cared about games, the original premise of their main channel. As an example of how bad is that take ill use this line "You didnt ask for this, you didnt chose this.", as a mather of fact, the played DID because they bought a WWII game, unless it was on the Pacific Theater, odds are that you would inevitably fight as germany on the PVP mode. On the Extra History side, i too used to watch it but around the same time, when the new people took over, the tone shifted in a pretty bad direction. It used to be a more respectfull lecture but then it suddenly showed this "hello fellow kids!" energy that really didnt fit. I lost track from them after that which was around 5 years ago but considering what you described on Stalin, their latest trash take and their prior one on the D&D Orc issue, its not suprising that they have not changed at all.

[@fireironthesecond2909]

@@phyrexian_dude4645 thanks I never watched that video but that doesn’t surprise me at all that they’d have a take like that, it’s basically the same take they have in this video I think they like most people on the political fringes are just in an echo chamber where they hear “oh yeah no it’s true, half of America are definitely Nazis just because they disagree with you on some things”. I literally saw someone on the news say that exact thing yesterday almost word for word these people just have no sense or irony and no interest in thinking for themselves I assume it’s laziness, thinking is hard so don’t think just consume ideology and enjoy

[@crimsonpotemkin]

34:03 What really annoys me is the way he asks the animator to portray him. As this happy smiling guy that just always so positive. The same guy that sees orcs and thinks of black people. The same guy that equivocated playing as a german in a ww2 game as being a nahtzee irl. The guy who's trying to herd lonely people to pay him to make friends in this very video. The positivity is a mask, that's why it annoys me. It's fake, it's actual grifting, underneath the mask is a fasho who will segregate, marginalize and oppress people based on his twisted morality. Under the guise of false positivity. It's very Orwellian.

[@AgentPineapple41]

Orc-wellion

[@Itariatan]

I think you might have hit the nail on the head. I was wondering why this art style in particular pissed me off so much. It's because everyone's always got the same empty smile plastered on their face, while EC guy prattles on like an idiot in the background

[@gs4011]

Once again, C.S. Lewis was right on money regarding "The Tyranny of the Moral Busybodies" being far worse than any others.

[@mrdropkicker1]

@@Itariatanpeople don’t like being manipulated…

[@DebbieDickens]

It truly is remarkable how nearly everyone who left The Escapist eventually went from lecturing the video game industry to coporate bootlickers.

[@PublicEnemy442]

It all started with MovieBob...

[@ValtheJean]

The road to hell really is paved with good intentions. He can't just grasp the idea of "stop trying to forcibly "correct" people to be how you want them." It's weird to see people like this talk about how "hard" it is to find friends online...meanwhile I've had no issue forming friendships with people who started out as complete strangers online.

[@mattd5240]

Authoritarian people always seek to control others even to their own detriment.

[@BobMcBobJr]

I think it's more, "I'm really nice! Please like me!"

[@ValtheJean]

@@BobMcBobJr a fair point. They aren’t introspective enough to understand they’re the reason they aren’t making friends

[@N0TYALC]

There are absolutely no good intentions behind Extra Credits. They do what they do for money and PC brownie points. Trying to convince sad, lonely people that the best way for them to make friends is to give a KZbinr money and play video games with other gullible strangers is not well-intentioned.

[@nmr7203]

...what's the intention here?

[@jiggycalzone8585]

Dont be dehumanized, let us break you down into a set of characteristics and compartmentalize you like an object instead

[@PunishedBrak]

Underrated comment. "Don't label me! Now let me inform you about my current trendy chosen labels"

[@mrbigglezworth42]

You know what's impressive? People were less toxic when they had to play in the same space as other people. Now that things are so heavily moderated, it's paradoxically gotten more toxic, not less. Solution? Remove the moderators, let people police themselves. No good came from a mod anyway, the power hungry weirdos the lot of them.

[@MVR3IWER]

What if it was Garry's Mod?

[@brendancoulter5761]

How to solve loneliness- Create stricter segregation.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

have the government force people to do more things. That's always the solution

[@JoeSyxpack]

That's why everyone was so happy during the lockdowns.

[@DJMcFlinty]

the segregation will continue until moral improves

[@bearoftheinterestvevo1558]

It's driving me crazy that literally nobody mentions this but the EC video totally neglects to mention that the top percent of epic gamers dealing with loneliness probably just play singleplayer games, so their stupid overcomplicated solution is even more useless for the people they say they want to help

[@echo5entertainment169]

Yep, that's probably part of the issue.

[@Kino_pup]

But also, joining a discord and talking with friends online and not in person doesn’t really cure the loneliness problem. Humans can’t just not ever go outside and physically meet and talk to people. Voice chat isn’t good enough to fix this.

[@AusSP]

I feel pretty called out here. Not unfairly, but still called out.

[@samanthasmith733]

​@@Kino_pup True!

[@Stop_Gooning]

@@Kino_pup As an extreme introvert, I beg to differ.

[@dragonforks93]

Extra Credits went from a decent if simplistic channel about game design to a predatory cabal of Tumblrites taking advantage of young people.

[@Cigar_viking13]

I really wish we'd have gatekept our hobbies better. Extra credits really do think they speak for gamers.

[@oldoutlet6946]

EC and folks like them just want to control as much as they can and that's it. Enjoying games is an afterthought.

[@housewilma4904]

becuase he is listend too above the customers its soley becaus eof his video on ork that DND totally removed any diffrentating characteristic bewteen fantasy species and the karma system to the point orks are now just green humans.

[@isaac6077]

@@housewilma4904nah homie ec has made many mistakes. And like the commies they are they hide those loses before cooking up another polished turd to send out

[@charlesruteal9062]

"I'm the 327th baby of a black woman who died during childbirth that year."

[@JohnW-sy1eo]

I have several questions

[@RafaelPena-Rios]

@@JohnW-sy1eo The answer is 'Batwoman' (Season 2 episode 1)

[@BobMcBobJr]

I don't think 327 women die in childbirth each year, at least in the US. Was she referring to the whole world? That kind of thing is more common in Africa but how would she even know?

[@tpolutts3309]

​@@BobMcBobJr It's about 800 a year in US. Vast majority are black women. We're one of the highest rates in wealthy countries. Lack of education and prenatal care.

[@xenn4985]

​@@tpolutts3309No. Don't call ignorance a lack of education. That implies its someone elses responsibility.

[@Nickle_King]

Listening to Extra Credits talk about inclusivity at this point is like listening to a lemming give directions away from a cliff it is actively walking towards.

[@r3dr4te963]

People who force inclusivity, diversity, and all that were the one who make things worse

[@arturzinurov4781]

Hey kid are you lonely and sad?! Well how about you give me money so you can play video games with other people that paid me money?

[@wilder11]

Extra Credits, and the narrator in particular, are always about one month away from working at the call center. Their analysis is utterly lacking in depth. Their moral conclusions are wholly bankrupt. The narrator's voice inspires me to homicidal rage. And their art is just embarrassing. They're just contemptible. I can't imagine why they have trouble making friends...

[@housewilma4904]

and the narrator took over the channel from the previous creator after pushing him and all the old staff out the narrator is the person who was even in EC at the start.

[@Wyzai]

24:47 Taking "noob" as toxicity is a modern behavior I just don't understand. Everyone is new. It's very rare to find someone who genuinely guilts you for it - to the point where I occassionally respond to those comments with "yes" just to see the person instantly STFU. The only way to un-noob yourself is to learn from other people by asking questions. I do that a lot. I've never gotten backlash for asking a question. I think it's because the desire to learn and better yourself is a genuine virtue. You dream your teammates have either expert skills or the desire to learn and improve, so when you tell them what to do they put their efforts into it. The reason everyone hates a bad teammate is not because they're a noob - it's because they refuse to learn. No matter how many times you tell them not to stand in the fire, they still do it - almost as if they had an allergic reaction to advice and now feel compelled to do it more.

[@booperdee2]

nature of competition. You get beat down and it prompts a realization to do better, that you arent all-skillful

[@Wyzai]

@@booperdee2 calling an opponent a noob strikes me as poor sportsmanship and being a sore winner/loser. Not my thing and I can see how it's toxic in that context, since it's not about the words it's about the attitude. I meant the other 90%+ of situations.

[@akumasstorytime3910]

Like recently started playing genshin (don't) didn't know what the fuck I was doing obviously, looked through the tutorials, they don't explain builds and shit so just asked a friend how builds work.

[@jffry890]

They used noob as a stand-in for another N word 😏

[@housewilma4904]

noob was resurrected as a insult to refer to people not willing to get better at the game and just plays the bl;ame game instead. "oh its this dumb games faults its so broken oh its my controllers faults its busted or oh you just one cause of a glitch"

[@Indigo_Gaming]

One of my favorite moments while on EFAP was just rewinding back to the beginning of an Extra Credits video because someone just joined and missed the first few seconds, and the *"DiDjU kNoW?!"* got an impromptu bout of laughter out of all of us. Why does he do that voice?

[@ArCSelkie37]

@@Indigo_Gaming probably because he thinks (incorrectly) that it makes him sound smart and authoritative… like a news presenter of old.

[@Cyberpsychos_Dirge]

Imagine being part of the community for years, developing friendships and connections. Then after a rough day at work or with life you get on and someone just pushes your buttons too far and you explode. It was an accident, but with everything going on it just happened. And then all of those friendships and connections are ripped away because you were “toxic” due to a slip up that was not your fault. On a side note, if gaming truly did what EC wanted, with his wonky police state, I would never have met my current friends.

[@manrisakirisame3505]

"I don't want to go out of my social comfort zone." "Why am I so Lonely!?"

[@DaMaster012]

EC: "There you are, playing your favorite FPS, then suddenly... You're a Nazi!" Also EC: "Orcs are just a dog whistle for "black people."" Also also EC "Games are cheaper than they've ever been! Stop whining so much!" Finally EC: "Why doesn't anybody want to play video games with me? :("

[@gs4011]

​@@DaMaster012 The "Orcs are actually black people" is probably my favorite controversy ever. Never before have I gotten to witness so many people go COMPLETELY mask off all at once, and receive the proper laughter and ridicule. Glorious.

[@genrija]

Recreation: The casual (and default) zone Pro: For the quickscopers. Family: For the kids. Underground: The "Riot Shield" Incident

[@charmandyorton006]

28:51 Wild reaction: “What if we had matchmaking, for positive social interaction?” “I want you people to stay TF away from video games, always”

[@donovandelozier7156]

Perfect reaction, because it'd break matchmaking into fragments.

[@SkollTheWerewolf]

It's because Rags is a toxic person, and any mere idea that people might have a better experience (not necessarily by force, like banning you for naughty words) is like poison to him.

[@bashooi]

​@@donovandelozier7156 exactly

[@donovandelozier7156]

@SkollTheWerewolf says a person who thinks you know what will create a better experience but clearly you don't have a clue.

[@AlphaOmega1237]

​@@SkollTheWerewolfYou can't be calling anyone a "toxic person" when you are so committed to hating Rags that you didn't bother to listen to any of the stuff anyone in the video said for why it would be a bad idea that WOULDN'T result in better experiences.

[@BKPrice]

More for bad dialogue: "Do you know why a boat floats and a stone sinks?" Mass Effect: Andromeda - "My face hurts..."

[@charlesruteal9062]

Isn't the line "My face is tired"?

[@BKPrice]

@@charlesruteal9062 Yeah, I didn't remember it fully.

[@jeremyhearne]

​@@BKPrice Probably for the best

[@BKPrice]

@@jeremyhearne Probably an attempt by me to force out traumatic memories.

[@AcidTH]

For bad dialogue from food fight Dex Dogtective : How did you get in and out of the store? You're an ike. Lady X : Humans. When you look like this, you can get them to do anything. Size only counts for men.

[@cyanideinmycereal1077]

Oh Jesus I forgot about that

[@samael4550]

You can tell someone isn’t a ‘real’ gamer when they can only play the most popular multiplayer games 😂

[@ramblinwaymore]

I loved it when E;R said " "

[@EjecutivoTelvanni1826]

Always love it when E;R

[@yaboiportch]

He was so real for that

[@eskaflorence5659]

“Steven Universe is shit.”

[@AcidHotpocket]

We used to have the perfect means of matching like-minded players together. It was called "community servers", and the players sorted themselves

[@rasendori20]

I think what I hate most about extra credits is that they talk as if they make games or are the ones that are designing them or even worse, as if they have some sort of influence. It almost comes off as fucking arrogant.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

Apparently some of the writers(James?) at EC have previously been involved in game development, and they frequently have guest writers that their narrator just reads, so who knows when they might actually be speaking from a genuine place of authority. This is part of why they defend scummy industry practices, because they think about things from industry insider POVs

[@oldoutlet6946]

It absolutely is arrogant. They talk like they're saying something profound when in reality, if you think about it for more than 5 seconds, it's incredibly dumb and out of touch.

[@housewilma4904]

@@RipOffProductionsLLCjames has been gone for over 5 years at this point there is not one "game dev" actually on staff at ec for years.

[@Krensharpaw]

I hear all the time now that people don't even want to talk in general chat and all due to how these folks made it so you can get banned for saying anything.... They helped to cause the problem they're complaining about.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

I find it's not even getting banned, it's how you keep getting automatically censored and having to adapt your words to the filters is mentally frustrating. Eventually it's more work than it's worth

[@Krensharpaw]

@MediumRareOpinions I have seen that even on places like twitch where I have had comments held back and when I tell the streamer what got held back, they are surprised. So ya...

[@Horvath_Gabor]

The funny thing is, the core idea itself isn't entirely without merit. The real problem is twofold: it would create unwanted incentives to "game the system", making interactions less genuine and more performative, and even more importantly... it would be *these* guys setting up the rules of what does and does not constitute as "civil" and "good sport". And once you give people like them this kind of power, it's only a question of time before it all turns into an online pseudo-social-credit system used to favor the in-group and oppress the out-group. Because that's what happens every single time when people with illusions of authority try to police communities, and it always leads to them fracturing. Just look at all those circle-jerk and low-sodium boards out there for a clear example.

[@oldoutlet6946]

Literally every large discord group I've joined has devolved to that. The only group I'm a part of now are for me and my 7 in-city friends. I don't understand how these idiots think they can run society better than most if all they do is ban and police.

[@jontaehall2740]

This would segregate people even more. It starts to become a slippery slope with different ideas of what is considered "toxic". It's just easier to understand rhat not every player you meet behaves and thinks like you. It shows how self-centered they are basically creating a hypothetical system to get people to act like how they want.

[@JohnDoe-vm5rb]

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[@RikkiSan1]

I personally love being lonely when I play my games, it's my one excuse to not talk to people.

[@DMAN99]

That’s not loneliness, that’s just being on your own. Loneliness is a longing for social interaction.

[@kosmas173]

sad

[@Vaguer_Weevil]

When I'm not dealing with idiots in real life, I'm dealing with idiots in games. I've been replaying Skyrim and sometimes I stop to look around, and see my idiot companion, a big friendly spider-like creature, a stray dog who I guess is just mine now and the giant faceless ice golem, all following behind me and I think to myself "This is the company I keep huh.."

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

@@Vaguer_Weevilthis is why you gotta get into grand strategy. Then you get to micromanage everything yourself and not let idiots ruin your stuff.

[@r3dr4te963]

@@DMAN99 adding a bit, being LONER doesn't mean being lonely. People can still feel lonely even if they're constantly surrounded by people. Being alone still better than fake relationships

[@GareWorks]

I am ABSOLUTELY in favour of matchmaking by slurs-per-minute. It would be glorious.

[@Majima_Nowhere]

We could finally bring back MW2 lobbies where you compete to say the worst things possible. And it's _hilarious._

[@jontaehall2740]

@GareWorks would it multiply by how many groups are hit during the match? Maybe a meta might form for that

[@theunkownbanana1823]

"Maybe we could get a 3rd party company to collect data on how gamers socialize for matchmaking purposes." ON WHOSE FREAKING DIME, MY GUY?! Spitball speculation is so worthless.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

the government, the government must fund it. It's to save the kids after all

[@oldoutlet6946]

@@marcogenovesi8570 And by government, we mean us. Get ready to pay the gamer tax.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@oldoutlet6946 the "keep kids safe online when gaming" tax

[@dire213]

I thought that website already exists? Remember when Az, Mauler, and Gary wanted to rate Animal Crossing as toxic as possible in that website so that it will get the highest possible toxicity rating.

[@heikira438]

I always love Rags going "You turned her against me!". He always makes it more goompy every time

[@TheTGOAC]

Extra credits unironically arguing for gamer social credit scores. Gamers with lower social credit scores have to use separate, but equal, water fountains. These people are literal parodies and twisted reflections of their own beliefs.

[@ijones36]

The big reason why gamers are lonely as shit? The continual fucking gutting of social features in videogames All chat? Gone. Voice chat? Opt in, instead of opt out. Consistent lobbies? Removed. And then people will flame you for daring you even use the mic. If you add more social features, then people will socialize more! Woah, woulda thunk. No local multiplayer, no lan support, no world chat.

[@ninjabiscuit1095]

The removal of local multiplayer is one of the reasons I play more board games than video games these days. Couch co-op with friends were a core memory of my childhood, kids these days don't have that as an option for most things, and we wonder why they're not about to socialise and feel isolated

[@bailysawyer804]

Extra credits talks like a “welcome to the job” intro video

[@marcogenovesi8570]

corpoganda

[@yaboiportch]

I love how EC's answer to "how do we combat loneliness in gaming" is to implement options that will he useful for an extremely tiny handful of people instead of... addressing the cause of it? EC is like a therapist that teaches you how to cope with your problems instead of dealing directly with them. They'll even charge you for it!

[@xenn4985]

Coping is a good thing though. Many problems arent yours to solve.

[@91Caesar]

I mean I know what you are going for with the therapist comparison, but a good part of therapy is learning to handle the inevitable emotional rises and falls you face in every day life. For example, you don't have an anxiety problem because you get anxious. Getting anxious is perfectly normal and healthy. You have an anxiety problem because you can't handle getting anxious. So learning how to handle being anxious is useful

[@hope-cat4894]

​@xenn4985 But they should still teach you how to deal with the ones you can directly. A bad therapist treats all your problems like they are beyond your control, which has been shown to actually make depression worse. People need to feel some level of control over their life.

[@xenn4985]

@@hope-cat4894 i uhgree with that

[@Stop_Gooning]

@@xenn4985 True, but some are. "Give me the power to change the things I can, the serenity to accept the things I can't and the wisdom to know the difference."

[@jamessullivan9048]

The opening makes me want an EFAP of them just quoting bad movie lines.

[@charlesruteal9062]

I'm thinking more bad fanfiction/readthroughs or something. I wanna see them melt into a puddle when faced with something like My Immortal or Sonichu, like what they did with Gotham High.

[@Thaxannadrote]

​@@charlesruteal9062 Didn't they do MI at some point? I swear I remember Rags reading a portion of it... Unless my brain just created that because there was a 2 year stretch where I was working 70 hour weeks and spent most of my shifts listening to EFAP stuff.

[@charlesruteal9062]

​@@ThaxannadroteThe panel could've referenced it at some point, but I doubt they ever did a readthrough of that. It has too much meme potential to not be referenced. Though, Rags did take part in a vampire-related thing on Arch's channel once upon a time (the VtM tabletop game where they played as a certain faction from WW2 shooter games).

[@MediumRareOpinions]

​​@@ThaxannadroteMauler did readings of MI as a guest on Cynical Reviews _Great British Podcast_ (discontinued) alongside Professor Tosspot (Blessed Pipeman), CJ and Cynic Snacks

[@darkelf505]

41:20 this is why I despise the term unsolicited advice, I play FF XIV, and seeing as I enjoy the game and I see people making mistakes, I try to nicely tell them they’re doing something wrong and how to fix it, then I get a bunch of people in the chat telling me “did he ask for advice?” Obviously no he doesn’t know he’s making a mistake so how will he ever know unless someone tells him. This culture of toxic positivity has just been the polar opposite swing of the Xbox live days but you still get the same basic result.

[@iamaunicorn1232]

No, you see its totally different! Now instead of the person making a mistake being called a slur its the person trying to correct them gently or not, who gets called a slur, but its justified! /s

[@VaporeonEnjoyer1]

It's worse, toxic positivity enables you to continue to be bad and ruin the game for everyone in your party if your the one causing the trial to fail because you can't do a mechanic. Plain old insults tell you very directly why you are responsible for the party not being able to clear and just might pressure you to learn your basic rotation at the very least, hopefully so you are the 7th worst person in the trial instead of the 8th.

[@darkelf505]

@@VaporeonEnjoyer1 For sure, but at least in a instance of running a raid or trial if someone is doing poorly or borderline throwing you can leave and kick them after you tell them to pick up the slack, its more so in the normal content where this problem happens. If you leave you’re on a 30 minute timeout, and if you’re playing DPS your queue’s can be 15 minutes and up so you’re left in a terrible position where you deal with a bad player or wait an hour to try again potentially.

[@katinahoodie]

The game even makes giving unwarranted advice against TOS and can be reported on, so if someone playing like shit, you are better off letting them struggle then risking a mark for giving advice.

[@VaporeonEnjoyer1]

@@katinahoodie Put me on mod jail and I want to hear the mod explain to me why saying "Tank stance." "Tank turn on tank stance!" party wipes "TANK STANCE" is unacceptable behavior.

[@auxityne]

So Extra Credits is trying to establish a gaming escort service?

[@gogetters6639]

TLDR "I don't want to use the tools at my disposal and want big daddy corpo to make social interactions in games even worse"

[@nuclearchezburgr3857]

"If you say nickelback, and argument might happen" *video ends immediately* Perfect display of the Power of Priorities

[@TheWickedWizardOfOz1]

My favorite line of bad dialogue is "America is a nation that can be defined in a single word: Etvafootimbuhfootuhfoot."

[@zacharynelson5731]

“America is a nation that can be defined in a single word: the foothills of the Himalayas with Xi Jingping”

[@sblinder1978]

Best Bad Line: Robert Davi in Showgirls "It must be weird, not having people come on you anymore."

[@TheUnknown-bq3eb]

My personal favorite piece of bad dialogue is from The Quarry during the sequence were the characters were trying to get the radio working all the lines from Dylan trying to call for help are hilarious but the best would have to be the way he says “Ah fuck dude.” when he released that they are in danger

[@TheRoflcer]

"Hey! Anyone wanna play some Left 4 Dead 2?" E.C: "But will shooting the zombies make me a Nazi?"

[@ButtersTheGreat1]

>Match me with the most slurs per minute Its called War of Rights

[@TheRealJabbergeist]

I work at a board game store. I can tell you right now that over the course of every year, dozens of "party" games are released that are practically identical in premise to that game at the end... and that's not even counting all the ones that are released exclusively in large chains like Target. Some of them are successful and pretty fun with the right crowd, but most of them are basically worthless. They sit on the shelf in the back corner and slowly trickle away before being quietly clearanced a couple years later. Plenty of jokers who play Cards Against Humanity(the quintessential party game for normies who think they are not normies) a couple times think they can whip out the "next big hit" by tweaking the formula a bit, and it almost never works the way they think it will. Edit:Grammar

[@ArCSelkie37]

Tbh those sorts of games failed the moment they stopped being “edgy”. When all you get is lame, safe jokes it’s just dull.

[@portalmanHUN]

"We got our old friend, Extra Credits" "NOOOO"

[@Wyzai]

2:10 I really like "Have you come here to destroy me?!" for the memeability of it.

[@wickwick64]

The best line of bad dialogue absolutely is “I grew up surrounded by water.”

[@Rays326]

Literally any line read from Neil Breen.

[@MagpieDynamics]

ISN’T THAT IMMORAL?

[@backupschmliff1156]

I can't believe you committed suicide. How could you commit suicide?

[@Arrestedrabbit]

​@@MagpieDynamicsDOESN'T THAT BETRAY THE PEOPLE'S TRUST?

[@ymca4547]

I don't need these pills.

[@EndThusIAm]

I've been around long enough to learn it's actually really hard for big channels to lose subscribers no matter what kind of blunders they do, but I really want to know how anyone with any self respect still watches Extra Credits, let alone for advice.

[@Arrestedrabbit]

A lot of it has to be dead accounts right? If they were bot subs they would actually watch the videos they put out. If you're just not watching videos a channel is putting out consistently why are you still subbed?

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

​@Arrestedrabbit not even dead accounts, just folks who stop watching without actively unsubscibing. Especially since by default KZbin will stop showing you the new videos from channels you're subscribed to if you stop watching them regularly, so you might forget you're even subscribed in the first place.

[@GeldUndKokaine-kc1hp]

Subscriptions are borderline meaningless as a metric, view count is really the only substantial one outsiders have access to and internally retention time is a real killer as well

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

This is why I play grand strategy games and classic RPGs. Idk if it’s healthy, my obsession with maps and making number go up. Probably better than paying geeks to pretend to be your friend in multiplayer games.

[@David-xg5uu]

I can't imagine how the people who feel the way the extra credits narrator does without killing themselves. This guy is representing the young men and women who are reporting historical records of sadness.

[@smillingdooku8116]

As a game dev Extra Credits needs to stay the fuck away from games. Literally why does he want more policing?

[@DaMaster012]

The left worship power; either the power to enslave the entire world, or to give away all their power to a master who will dictate how they live their lives to free then of the responsibility of making decisions for themselves. They are the purest, most pungent distillation of what Frederick Nietzsche called "the slave mentality." That's it; there's nothing more to unpack with those people.

[@swatthekat8925]

Id absolutely take the high skill "toxic" players who will call me dogshit and tell me to get gud than the "nice" players who suck at the game lol

[@blackdragoncyrus]

EC is like this weird, out-of-touch old man who keeps trying to fit in with the cool kids, and everyone just doesn't pay attention to him.

[@kokotiger1313]

That "Priorities" game, if you can call it that, sounds like the most pussyfooted thing ever. I bet you anything that horrible arguments or "toxicity" will still happen because someone rated something poorly

[@baddragonite]

This Extra Credits video is literally "we're gonna make up fake problems in video games so we can fix them "

[@Anon4859]

So somehting that got missed is that we used to have the system EC mentioned, but simpler. It was called private servers and it let players choose if they wanted to join games that had multiple levels of moderation and interaction rules including often offering fundamental game rule changes. A server cpuld have its own external community and often a community would have servers in multiple game for members to hop on and chat with likeminded friends. Larger communities would even have both private and public servers running to allow randoms to see what they offered. As a bonus games eith private servers are also nearly impossible to kils, because as long as someone wants to play they can launch a server to do so. BF1942 still has games running years after support ended. They died because private servers make selling DLC microtransactions and gatcha more difficult. Now everyone queues in groups no larger than a single team, that needs to be assembled in advance because drop-in is basically gone.

[@dire213]

Imagine having a survey/questionnaire that will decide what side of the community you will be sorted to. There would spreadsheets of how to get in the community that has higher chances of winning. The survey meta. And when the survey meta becomes the norm, the 2 sides of the community will just balance out.

[@hariman7727]

The old extra credits before the host changed was good, and covered video games and later history well. After the change in hosts, it's clear the original host was holding back the political activism of the writer/other staff. The new channel from the old host is great.

[@Dap1ssmonk]

What’s the new channel from the old host?

[@hariman7727]

@@Dap1ssmonk "Design doc"

[@Dap1ssmonk]

@@hariman7727 thanks mate.

[@hariman7727]

@@Dap1ssmonk you're welcome.

[@reverbthevocal421]

@@hariman7727 I thought it was New Frame Plus.

[@benjaminbrunson4539]

47:21 the sound of being on the cusp of saying wtf but instantly realizing the situation and being hit with utter disgust...all in seconds

[@guyincognito1406]

It was the sound of utter disappointment. The bar was already low and now they came across the still smoking hole of its latest drop.

[@sgtslime5560]

Why don’t gamers play fun party game (table), instead of fun party game (internet)??? They play Call of Duty Battle War Fantasy 3(You get called stupid by randos on voice chat!!!), when could play Scrungoids: Family Fun Word Association for 2-8 Players(They paid us!!!)???

[@Phaeron123]

I've been lonely for over 10 years... It never occurred to me that I could tell people to become my friend by contributing to my bank account. Thanks extra credits!

[@cyanideinmycereal1077]

21:55 it’s wild that they had to take it back to like the 80’s-90’s. The young people that are experiencing the loneliness issue were literally not even born for that dynamic to have influenced them. Like I think I’m in the middle of it, and I was barely there for the tail end of couch co-op on the PS3-Xbox 360 era.

[@zenkaiangel977]

"lonely people" does not refer to people in a specific age group or generation, it literally applies to everyone, and to think it doesn't apply to people older than you is insane, LAN gaming didn't even get popular until late 90s, trust me everyone has had to deal with loneliness and it absolutely is not exclusive to any group or era of gamers

[@cyanideinmycereal1077]

@@zenkaiangel977 Sure but when referring to loneliness stastics you’re generally referring to young people, as that is who is primarily affected. I

[@sterlingarcher265]

@@cyanideinmycereal1077no, people get more lonely as they get older bc it’s harder to make friends, friends move, friends die, and we don’t have places like school to meet new people easily.

[@somerando8615]

According to this survey from when we were all locked inside our house back in 2020 people are lonely Gamers most effected.

[@Wyzai]

17:59 I agree the matchmaking systems have their problems, but toxicity is nothing new. It has always existed everywhere. The only thing that's new is this modern wave of political toxicity and hypermoderation. The latter causes a sharp decrease in toxicity since it causes a decrease in overall communication. It's easier to shut up than get banned arbitrarily, assuming your online game allows communication in the first place.

[@booperdee2]

banning for text never made sense to me. we have block buttons for a reason. empower the individual. "well you cant know to block someone until they do something to provoke a reaction that results blocking!" grow up, some people say things not everyone likes all the time.

[@N0TYALC]

@@booperdee2 The way I see it, you’ve opted into “toxicity” simply by choosing to play a multiplayer game. If you choose to enter a public chat room, you’ve chosen to interact with people you may find objectionable. Complaining about a “toxic” person you encountered online is just as stupid as complaining about an ugly person you saw when you chose to take a walk around a public park.

[@guyincognito1406]

Look, your router, your modem. They both have a sticker. Designed to receive interference HARMFUL or otherwise. Working as intended, from the outset anything you read over the pipe was fair game.

[@JohnDoe-vm5rb]

The big problem imo is killing dedicated servers. You can still do it in some games like Cs and tf2 but it's often gated from earning ingame "progress" but then you can just server hop if you don't like how it is. If it's your server you can get high on your own parts power tripping too, everyone wins. As is, everyone with different expectations and desires from the game are forced together and there's no moderation beyond vague promises. Big shock no-one says anything. He'll I barely talk in warframe which is a genuinely.nice community because I've heard horror stories or people getting banned for tripping but moderation for saying something perfectly innocent in context

[@RandyCarnright]

Gotta get those slurs per minute numbers up.

[@darkmega97]

Fuck your APM, tell me your SPM

[@NoPantsBaby]

This really is the ultimate grift and lowpoint.

[@TheSixthDoctor]

"Pay my rent and be my friend!"

[@Rays326]

YOU THINK YOU CAN BEAT ME, WITH YOUR MIND?

[@EarlHildebrandt]

Tell that to Zod's snapped synapses.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

*with your phreaking mind

[@karolo320]

Bad dialog from Kebobi: YOU... ARE TOO IMPUSLIVE...

[@josh11735]

REVAAAAAH!

[@caz1014]

Have you come to destroy me?

[@TheRealJabbergeist]

ReVeNgE ᵈᵒᵉˢ SꓤƎꓷNOM 𝒻ₒᵣ ₜₕₑ ᵂᴵᴸᴸ ᵀᴼ *LIVE,* 𝓭𝓸𝓷'𝓽 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝓽𝓱𝓲𝓷𝓴, 𝕿𝖍𝖎𝖗𝖉 ₛᵢₛₜₑᵣᵣrR?

[@noblekatana2270]

I use to think they were actually informative. Man how times change

[@xenn4985]

They were actually informative. Then everyone quit. None of the staff who work at EC right now, worked there a few years ago

[@nomad5544]

​@@xenn4985Except James, unfortunately

[@xenn4985]

@@nomad5544 didnt james also come in later?

[@adiarka4543]

@@xenn4985 No, he was there since the beginning with Dan Floyd (narrator and arguably the main creator of EC) and Allison (the original artist).

[@w33blord66]

Surprises no one mentioned "You're the man now, dawg!" From Finding Forrester.

[@leonardoespino9780]

To the bad lines, I agree. No line can be as bad as “somehow, palpatine returned”. However, I would say that line from the sand snakes in GOT season (I think) 5 that goes “you want a good girl but you need the bad pussy”. It’s not terrible line but the way how it’s delivered 🤣🤣 it cracks me up more than it disappoints me 🤣🤣

[@TOONYBOY]

Imagine being known as the guy who wrote the words "Somehow Palpatine returned". I feel bad for Oscar Isaac, he had to *SAY* them

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

*I miss the other guy.* Matt, I think his name was? Been missing him for half a decade…

[@crimsonpotemkin]

I think Matt is this guy. 26:58

[@reverbthevocal421]

He's actually doing videos about animation in games now.

[@jerrymartin7019]

EC died with green shirt man

[@nomad5544]

Dan (not to be confused with the other two(?) Dans employed by EC at that time also)

[@EpicJasonX9000]

"You're A Noob!" - Rando "Yes I Am!" - Bi Han

[@LordTyrone1989]

My favorite line of bad dialogue: "Is sleep a food?"

[@Aechelian]

It is if you're broke

[@DeetotheDubs]

Boogie's new "business" idea: Buck Buddies. You pay him and he will tell people online that the two of you are friends. DMs will be an extra charge based on character count. Pics will be more and on an arbitrary delivery schedule that subs may not opt out from. Refunds will be issued in "Boogie Bucks" that are only worth 1/10th of the cash value only redeemable for Boogie merch and donations.

[@TOONYBOY]

47:00 Woooow Extra Credits. What did you mean by this image of a Blonde White Man saying NO to a Black Woman wanting to read books?

[@Ginger_bit]

"CHEWIE!!!" and "It's not about destryoying what you hate, it's about saving what you love." I feel are good contenders for worst lines in cinema.

[@maybeimortal5697]

I'm certain someone has commented this already but it boosts their engagement so I'll comment it anyways. My favorite piece of bad dialog is the famous example from amazing Spiderman when he's chasing after shocker. It is said in the hammiest fake shout delivery I've ever heard and it is "SSSSSHHHHHHOOOOOOOOCCCCCKKKKKEEEEERRRRRR YOU CANT ESCAPE ME, I WILL CHASE YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH"

[@trpdrspider8372]

Did I misunderstand that opening? Did EC say that the script was written by a person who has monetary standing in the subject? Doesn't that compromise this entire point?

[@Arrestedrabbit]

Their solution to the problem discussed is also to give them money for friends/community. The point is enitrely raised for their own enrichment anyway so why start having standards now?