History of Space Travel - Kill Devil to V-2 - Extra History - Part 3

🚀 History of Space Travel: Kill Devil to V-2 - Early flight started as a utopian dream but quickly became the military's top priority: first as reconnaissance vehicles, and then as weapons in their own right. After WW1, the threat of German aircraft led to the Treaty of Versailles banning Germany from having an airforce at all. But the Germans also found a loophole: rockets didn't count as an airforce. Enter Wehrner Von Braun & the V-2 rockets.
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[@extrahistory]

Lotus' favorite fro-yo flavor is raspberry. That's canon now. We don't make the rules.

[@arifhossain9751]

Huh... i figured Lotus was a Rocky Road girl...

[@lettuceman9439]

Great work again but on the topic of space travel will you guys do another extra scifi more specifically internet made science fiction (like motherThreeeyes, scp and cicada) or just weird fiction in general.

[@guyfrompoland1358]

You forgot NACA

[@anniethepeasantpleaser9060]

Space mom likes fro-yo? Who could've known...

[@arturoreyescortez2476]

I like frozen yogurt with chocolate syrup and chocolate sprinkles. Also, is there any way to make that redirection mod work in an inverse way? I could hear music without earphones if that technology existed.

[@ANTICENA571]

“Once the rockets are up, Who cares where they come down? That’s not my department” Says Wehrner Von Braun

[@MrDalek2150]

Some have harsh words for this man of renown. But some think our attitude, should be one of gratitude.

[@kuhluhOG]

He also said: "Die V2 funktionierte perfekt, nur leider landete sie auf dem falschen Planeten." or in english: "The V2 functioned perfectly, but sadly she landed on the wrong planet."

[@aquila4460]

@@kuhluhOG You know the saying, when aiming for the stars you sometimes hit London.

[@t3hmaniac]

@@MrDalek2150 Like the widows and cripples of old London Town, Who owe their large pensions to Wehrner Von Braun.

[@CarlosAM1]

Without him you probably wouldnt have gps or weather sattelites right now...

[@ZorlockDarksoul]

"Why is that lion shouting about the 1920s?" "He's not shouting. He's roaring." "...Ooooohhhh."

[@weldonwin]

Because its the Roaring Twenties

[@mbase6469]

From this moment forward, I will be referring to them as, "The Yelling Twenties." The loudest the country has ever been.

[@cremacat518]

the rawring twenties

[@NotHPotter]

@@mbase6469 Nah, we're definitely living in the "Yelling Teens".

[@andrewstewart1464]

@@cremacat518 No that's the Emo 3rd Wave . . . or 3rd Rave? I dunno. Either way get sad y'all!

[@mitwhitgaming7722]

I always find it incredible that, in the span of ten years, humanity went from saying flying was impossible to using airplanes in the first world war.

[@carso1500]

And then from that in 50 years we went from shitty airplanes made from wood and cloth to going to the fucking moon

[@Overhazard]

@@carso1500 That was a minor plot point in Animorphs. (Remember those children's books?) One alien tells another alien that within the same century, the Earthlings had gone from building a powered vehicle that could lift Earthlings off the ground to building a powered vehicle that could take Earthlings to another celestial object. Both come from civilizations where that happened over the span of thousands of years, and both decide the Earthlings must be stopped before Earth's military technology surpasses theirs.

[@UnityGoogle]

And then we sat in LEO for 60 years

[@SentryWill]

No one ten years ago thought we would be making artwork with AI and using ChatGPT to write school essays.

[@nathanseper8738]

That's a great way of putting it.

[@paulallen579]

”Treaty of Versailles forbid an airforce, but said nothing about rockets!” Also known as the Airbud argument.

[@OliverStabile]

Shoot, it’s perfect

[@john.harrison]

Kill Devil hills is one of the most badass names i have ever heard.

[@richieriversiii354]

Damn straight , I think that's where Doom Guy was born.

[@bmoney2011]

It's a shame it's a name ascribed to just a bunch of sand in the middle of nowhere.

[@john.harrison]

@@bmoney2011 well if you were going to kill a devil "a bunch of sand in the middle of nowhere" seems like a good place.

[@cgunugc]

@@bmoney2011 Fantastic sand dunes, though, and with a lot of public access. Worth a visit if you're nearby.

[@biliminsrlar5752]

Yeah

[@harrisonlee9585]

This kinda makes me want an Extra History on Operation Paperclip

[@dag1407]

Yes

[@state_song_xprt]

Absolutely. The leniency given to the Japanese war criminals of Unit 731 is even more egregious and is almost never discussed.

[@ОлегКозлов-ю9т]

I'm glad you didn't shy away from pointing out that doctor von Braun was an active SS member and that the slave labor was used in rocket production. For some reason these unpleasant facts are often ignored.

[@Aspiringamoeba1997]

Олег Козлов well that core trifecta is actually the MI complex today. We don’t like to talk about our shady origins lol

[@danilooliveira6580]

if we start to look too close at the shady past of every great scientist or inventor we will have to give up on pretty much everything we have. the most we can do is accept what happens and be sure that people will be accountable in the future.

[@keepsmiling7645]

Yeah sure, but he only did it to fulfill his dream of space travel. These were the only conditions in which he could build and research rockets

[@zintlemvana7955]

@@danilooliveira6580 No, it's really about teaching people that there is usually a horrendous human cost behind most great inventions and we should be better people in the future. Unless of course, you want the future to resemble a dystopia

[@Aspiringamoeba1997]

Zintle Mvana policy matters. If German democracy had prevailed, and funding had been devoted to peaceful purposes, von Braun might not have become a Nazi and SS officer

[@robertstuckey6407]

"Once ze rockets go up who cares vhere they come down? Thats not my department says Verner Von Braun" - Tom Lehrer

[@darak1455]

Plane crashes* everything is fine everything is under control just tripped

[@bigbigmurphy]

"hard landing", lol.

[@DavidChipman]

@@bigbigmurphy Any landing you can walk away from is a good one.

[@darak1455]

If you think about it this was the first crash by a powered plane with no deaths so good start I say

[@krankarvolund7771]

1920: Space flight is too utopian! 1969: First man on the moon. Boy, that escalated quickly XD

[@AureliusLaurentius1099]

Funny that the people who said space flight is too utopian probably lived to see the Apollo 11 mission

[@veevxx]

1961: First man in Space

[@TheRealMaster9000]

Scientist: Space Flight, with guns Military: we'd like 500,000 of the please

[@FieldMarshalYT]

Reminds me now of how people say us going to other planets is utopian.

[@AureliusLaurentius1099]

@@TheRealMaster9000 American Civilians: I'll order a Billion of those please

[@deadjacksoul]

"There's only one man who would dare give me the raspberry"

[@wingracer1614]

LONE STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!!!!

[@wingfreedom21]

LONE STAR!

[@tylerdaniels7831]

Two of my favorite things combined warframe and extra credits

[@my4818]

6:54 Sweden? I don't remember hearing anything about us being bombed during ww2 as we were not directly involved.

[@mortuos557]

Maybe by accident? The v2 isn't really accurate, and the testing ground is on Rügen directly south of Sweden...

[@wingracer1614]

Apparently 7 V2s crashed in Sweden. Many went to SAAB for reverse engineering.

[@majan6267]

@@wingracer1614 so EC just completly misrepresented the situation, well that's not news

[@jonnunn4196]

If living in a town in which a V2 crashed; you didn't really care if it was on purpose or not; you'll have friends or family killed either way.

[@heart0fthedrag0n]

Cool episode. I would really appreciate a soviet perspective on space flight. After all, until the 60s they were much more ahead in both scale, engineering and vision for their space program than the US.

[@lethallizard963]

Бам Бам Most Americans cant see anything from anyone else’s perspective, most of them are too self absorbed.

[@mortuos557]

Probably next episode... Edit : next episode.

[@countpoolnoodleiii99]

Their failure really came down to politics and Korolevs death, I think.

[@themostextrordenaryconvolu3406]

Lethallizard 9 You... You really haven't met Russians have you?

[@Shawn_Babcock]

Lethallizard 9 because Russians are so much better with spring from other prospectives

[@int_overflow]

Oreos... IN SALSA!? NOW I KNOW WHY PEOPLE AVOIDED HIM

[@TheVasilcin]

Braun, the man who brought you London is bringing you the moon!

[@draco84oz]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4msdXmubJmUibs

[@blake-81]

Fun Fact: The Wright Bros flight wasn't only the first time they had flown a manned plane, the man who took the iconic "First Flight" photo, John T. Daniels, had also never used a camera before, so the fact his photo of such events was such a masterfully taken one, that would forever inhabit all history textbooks, and not a blurry mess, was also a miracle on its own...

[@yareyare7806]

Not one mention of Santos Dummont smh

[@yukito8148]

Its called junker with a "u" sound, like on "you"

[@danilooliveira6580]

I'm happy that you guys didn't glorify the wright brothers as Americans love to do, and instead recognized the invention of the aircraft as a global effort.

[@cometmoon4485]

0:58 *Wilbur Wright* : AIR TRAVEL!!! ...what? I see this as an absolute win!

[@GeneralLuigiTBC]

Sounds as though we might hear a bit about Korolëv in the next episode. I wonder if they'll mispronounce his name the way they mispronounced Potëmkin's name back in their Catherine the Great series.

[@sundhaug92]

Bit unfortunate they skimped on Goddard and a few other names but oh well

[@dag1407]

Korolëv Cross! *KSP noises*

[@AubriGryphon]

@@dag1407 Hello, Scott Manley here.

[@nextghost]

And like they mispronounced Tsiolkovsky's name in this episode...

[@mikedanilov8978]

I like how the launch of the Earth's first artificial satellite is mentioned only in the context of Americans having to organize NASA. Yep. Only reason to talk of this pivotal historical event in your history of space travel overview.

[@cryasor3428]

Yes! And the summary of Wernher von Brauns work for the Nazis was also... questionable.

[@KuK137]

And I like how they failed to mention US satellite rushed to be reply to Sputnik went boom on launch pad, and was nicknamed Kaputnik. Too embarrassing, eh?

[@themostextrordenaryconvolu3406]

Mike Danilov Or how they failed to mention the American satalite that launched some months later and went even higher than the Soviet one.

[@Mr.Byrnes]

Putting boots on a celestial body trumps anything you want to spew from your gullet

[@warbacca1017]

"Some in the academic world considered space flight an 'optimistic daydream'." Sadly, this was also the case with the Wright brothers, resulting in them not getting the credit they deserved until quite a bit later

[@Carewolf]

Wow, everytime I was about to complain about attributing a field to one man, you mention, if not all contributors, at least a handful for each breakthrough.. KUDOS!

[@cerberus144]

I'm going to have the Tom Lehrer song stuck in my head all day now, thanks.

[@Darasilverdragon]

I love how EC is advertising for an expansion that isn't even out yet

[@shawnheatherly]

It's insane just how rapid all the improvements in flight tech came, all things considered.

[@Fuzato15]

I'm Brazilian and super triggred that you mentioned these fancy paragliders brothers and didn't mentioned the genious Dummont at all. Hope you correct that in the Lies episode.

[@wingracer1614]

Why mention the second guy to do something?

[@aminadoce]

2:12, thank you.

[@Hortifox_the_gardener]

Haha ... the visual humor... when rocket science developed as a field. That's the kind of stuff I love this channel so much for!

[@dag1407]

Everyone animated here looks slightly cuter and I love it.

[@SophiaLaBanca]

I love Extra History, but it's a shame that you didn't even mention Santos Dumont.

[@fulminus]

Exactly!

[@tomasbravofundao9745]

True

[@jtcsderp9250]

"Raspberry, my favorite!" There's only one man in the galaxy who would dare give me raspberry... *Lone Star!*

[@patrulhasirius]

Really sad that you didn't even comment on Santos Dumont

[@SegaSaturnSubs]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santos-Dumont_14-bis#14-bis_vs._Wright_Flyer

[@alexanderhoraitis6801]

@Cross Van Dust if they did that then they'd have to do one on every countries aircraft which won't work for the amount of time they have

[@longislandlegoboy]

Was “Junkers” not supposed to be pronounced “yunkers”

[@wiruwaruwolz]

Yes, yes it is.

[@JoshSweetvale]

Germany has as many accents as America does.

[@CABerlitz]

Just missed seeing a mention of Santos Dumont in the beginning of the aviation. Although I know he was also some kind of showman just as much as an inventor

[@Ilichburger]

Such a LOVEABLE showman tho!

[@Earthpeak]

I can’t express the sensation of pure delight that shot through my body at seeing the Wright brothers playing with toy planes and making the sounds

[@gershsgaming8673]

Quick correction: the pitch control surface on an aircraft is called the Elevator, not the Rudder. The Wright Bros had their elevator in the front (a canard) and it was discovered later that a rear configuration was more stable.

[@GaldirEonai]

For an informative and highly entertaining look at the early stages of rocketry in the US, I can't recommend "Ignition!" by John D. Clark highly enough. It's got a lot of chemistry that can get a bit dry at times, but there's also a ton of hilarious anecdotes about things going wrong (or _too right_ ) in explosive ways...

[@BasicallyWorking]

Everybody gangsta till extra credits brings up the cold war

[@nicholasavasthi9879]

“The rocket preformed perfectly, it just landed on the wrong planet.” Wernher von Braun.

[@zieftheknight6061]

Finally they get sponsored by D.E. play Warframe everyone!

[@kjellman9999]

That one V2 rocket that hit Sweden hardly warrants it being mentioned as a scourge on Sweden's civilians. There was not even a warhead in it. So I'm guessing that someone just goofed.

[@mortuos557]

Since the testing ground is on Rügen, it might have been an accident...

[@wingracer1614]

More like 7

[@kjellman9999]

@@wingracer1614 7 is still not a lot compared to the thousands that was fired on London and Antwerp. By the way do you happen to have a good source about the amount? I could only find was an article in ny teknik and some other miscellaneous articles that mentions little about the full amount.

[@kjellman9999]

@@mortuos557 The one i found was. It was a test missile with no warhead and it was sent before the first missile attacks hit Britain. But since there was no warhead in it, it could be collected an secretly sent to Britain for assessment of what it might be.

[@wisdommapping9406]

For the next episode you need to include Kennedy’s iconic speech of “we choose to go to the moon”

[@itismespooky4]

Love Extra Credits

[@HK556]

Quick FYI, the smaller wings that are parallel to the deck are the ELEVATORS and control the pitch of the airframe. The RUDDERS are perpendicular to the deck and they control the yaw of the airframe.

[@Coop838]

0:26 is maybe the funniest illustration in EC to date.

[@chrismain7472]

Come for the education. Stay for the pun cartoons with drill bits saying "bye!" and rockets growing in a field.

[@sransom042]

Von Braun needs a movie this is such a great story, you listening Hollywood

[@jaqqu7]

Please use metric system alongside the imperial units. I don't want to check what you mean in case of distances, altitude etc. Every time you use feet or other unit that (mostly) only people from USA would understand.

[@thiagomorgado1387]

Funny how they simple ignore Santos Dumont at all....

[@MrGjpn]

;-;

[@Meirstein]

The guy who did nothing to advance the field of heavier than air aviation.

[@voodoozerodkc]

Well. He is Brazilian so who cares right? Its not like he was in the forefront of airplane design, not patenting his inventions as to not stifle development of new technologies. Investing his own money to help new and upcoming engineers, and helped to develop dirigibles, wining many awards. He is not american or European so he is irrelevant.

[@fannypuspo2086]

America and soviet:We are the pioneer of space travel German scientist:Am i joke to you?

[@mattialho8871]

man's best motivator is the desire to destroy the enemy and take possession of this land and resources

[@andmos1001]

Isn’t human wonderfully childish?

[@abcdef27669]

"Conan, what is best in life?" "To crush the enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!"

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

I love how Carl Sagan so eloquently showed the pointless, insignificant, futility of selfishness and war in his "pale blue dot" speech. Some wars may be justified but for the vast majority of wars, soldiers, and people, it's all just meaningless suffering. No idea why I gave an anti-war speech, it's not even like anyone was seriously debating anything, just meming. I guess space travel reminds me of Carl Sagan, utopian idealism, the importance of achieving it on earth now, and "the pale blue dot". Just go look it up it's like a three minute speech.

[@Jebbtube]

My grandfather worked for IBM from the 50s to the early 80s. One of the projects he worked on was the lunar project. One of the men he worked under, was a dude named Von Braun.

[@lodesmets9815]

In our village (in belgium) we have sandstone (marl) caves. And during ww2 the germans put concrete on the floor in the caves, they wanted to build v1 and v2 in the caves

[@thestrategist8126]

I love the end where he makes modifications to his podium and zoey just hates him until he adds the scratching post

[@bthsr7113]

I would love if the Devs added little Easter eggs to Warframe to reflect this, like Lotus mentioning rasberries and a command console shaped like a lectern with shielding.

[@waleedmohamad7832]

It seems like the most break through for humans to reach the stars is the byproduct for them to destroy each other ,It makes you think about the morality of progress and true cost of innovation. THIS LINE IS GOLD 🏅

[@v73z17]

The Space Race with Von Braun vs Korolev would make a very interesting series for Extra History

[@holdencovington151]

As an Alabamian, Von Braun was incredibly important to my state. He essentially established the city of Huntsville...so it hurts to remember that he was a member of the Nazi party, but it’s incredibly important to remember that even the great people of history often have checkered pasts at best.

[@crownpenguin9180]

Your a great KZbin channel

[@ggj792]

now we use that to bring space mom back home XD

[@ICountFrom0]

Thank you for including Gustav...

[@kyuven]

human innovation is often motivated not merely by the desire to destroy each other, but by the animal need to protect themselves from being destroyed. To put it simply, "survival" is humanity's major impetus to progress. And regress. Humanity MUST always test itself.

[@Black-vk6nu]

Can you make a series about the Peloponnesian war? Since you already made one about the battle of Thermopylae

[@maxk4324]

Matt, you're unarguably an awesome dude, even more so for always taking the time get those really niche and hard to pronounce words and names just right. But oof was 3:45 hard listen to.

[@marinamoraes6174]

I'm sad, but not surprised, you didn't mention Santos Dumont. He was the first guy who was actually recorded flying a heavier than air plane, which makes many consider him the actual first flyer rather than the Wright Brothers.

[@wingracer1614]

That recording was in 1906. Wright brothers flew in 1903.

[@marinamoraes6174]

@@wingracer1614 Is there any solid evidence to what the Wright Brothers did besides their own personal claims and annotations? Did any third party witness their flights before then?

[@wingracer1614]

@@marinamoraes6174 Yes. 5 people witnessed the first flight but even if you discount those, the Wrights were making flights of over 30 minutes in length witnessed by newspaper reporters and pretty much the whole town in 1905. The flight of Santos Dumont was filmed in October 1906 and was a short little 60 meter long, 5 meter high straight hop more like what the Wrights were doing back in 1903. By 1906, the Wrights could have flown to the next town and back.

[@sabotabby3372]

"Gather round while I sing you of Wehrner vonBraun A man whose allegiance is ruled by expedience"

[@Bakanogaikokujin]

Interesting point about the morality of innovation. I would argue though that tho Innovation sometimes requires horrific sacrifice, the lives that it saves outnumber the lives it takes.

[@frankharr9466]

There was the Manhigh project in the U.S. that had some influence. It' wasn't focused on the rockets, of course, but rather on the people who'd have to go into them.

[@dartdevious561]

Ah! Lotus and these warframe cameos!

[@afrozen10-02]

Fun fact: the snapshot of the wright brothers flight at kill devil hills is featured in the logo for Wright State University where I go to school.

[@emeraldthepro12nothanksyou85]

Can you guys do Operation Paperclip? That would be AWESOME!

[@gutembergcraft]

Hope Santos Drummond appears at least on the lies episode

[@Bliefking]

Von Braun came away pretty good in this one

[@timsullivan4566]

To think that a mere 80 years later, that first airplane and that first flight in it's entirety - from ground to max elevation, from lift-off to touch-down, ... ALL would have fit INSIDE the frame of a Boeing 747 with room to spare!

[@KendrixTermina]

Ah, Wernher von Braun, inspiration for just about any 80s movie villain. I would quote that one song Welle:Erdball made about him in their masterpiece album "Wunderwelt der Technik" (which was about both the joys and the shadow sides of progress), but not one would get that reference.

[@El_Presidente_5337]

V2's hitting Sweden? What did I miss?

[@Zacharias_Andersson]

Nothing, V2 rockets only hit Sweden by accident, (7 or so) none resulting in any deaths. They were clearly not "raining down on the population" as EC describes. They are either straight-up lying or trying to make it more dramatic.

[@guilherme95069]

Santos Dumont and the 14 BIS ?

[@wingracer1614]

3 years later.

[@El_Chico_des_Galos]

...uhm, Empyrean isn’t out yet.

[@bmobmo6438]

The fact that they're advertising for it means it probably will be soon though...

[@bigwillblue]

I imagine you can't play with the railjack right out of Earth: so if people start at MR 0 now they will be ready by the time the update drops. My guess is in mid-December.

[@TheZakimus]

Pretty much the only thing I was thinking at the end

[@diebesgrab]

Bmobmo64 You’re assuming DE is well organized enough to get anything out on time, which based on past experience is a really poor assumption to make.

[@jonasb104]

I realy like this series of yours. It is interesting how rockets were so early already a dream of many people and that something bad like the V1 and V2 became something so astounding as the Saturn V.👍😄

[@zrugel]

LOTUS!!!!!! that was awesome. great job everyone.

[@whitehorseking]

Wehrner von braun is buried just down the street from me.

[@roy4173]

Anyone looking for a good miniseries podcast to listen to on the way to work, check out "13 minutes to the moon" by BBC. Braun is actually mentioned early on as being instrumental in designing the rockets as the stepping stone for what would eventually fuel the Apollo 13 mission. It's something like 12 episodes long and really well done. Hans Zimmer providing an epic intro (like he was actually capable of producing anything lesser quality than that). And one of the final episodes plays the full 13 minutes of radio communication before the lunar module lands on the moon. It is very, very good.

[@Dr.CaveCurinas]

I think the reason technological progress is so often made in war is because technology, when you boil it down, is simply finding a solution to a problem, and war simply presents more problems to solve than peace.

[@jeanbonnefoy1377]

And you forgot Clément Ader, who in 1890, 1891 and 1897 did several very short flights (more short hops...) with his steam engine propelled Eole, Zéphyr and Aquilon (equally named Avion I, II and III - btw, he did invent the words "Avion" and "aviation") on the military grounds of Gretz and later Satory, near Paris under the aegis of the French minister of war which partially funded his experiments.

[@andro_king]

Did you actually get the Lotus to narrate the end?

[@GaborSzabo747]

The importance of Wright brother's flight is not the First Powered Flight, but the First "Steerable" Plane.

[@annbe1l]

I'd love to hear you guys talk about mods on extra credits.

[@rml2765]

The most human thing to me is rockets, just how we use sheer force and sheer power to break through our atmosphere, humans always have a need to go faster and faster and it me it’s just amusing how if you look at history we start with walking, then running, then horses, then more horses then cars, etc.

[@Kumimono]

I think you could have re-phrased that bit about V-2's raining on Sweden...

[@WolfButrin]

7:08 gave me flashbacks to FitMC

[@BearOldcastle]

That pronunciation of van Braun

[@quisqueyanguy120]

Wehner Von Braun: >

[@robertandrews6915]

As a native of eastern Nc I can tell you it never gets cold on the coast. 50s for average lows in December and January. Every once in awhile there’s a blast of arctic air but it won’t stay long. So that “cold air” hitting him was probably not cold at all

[@masterxk]

Everyone knows that the real first person to flew was that Brazilian man.

[@EdungeonLOL]

So Sputinik development is only a footnote on space travel history...

[@525Lines]

1853, the first piloted glider flight. And it might be worth noting that sailors have been using airfoils for lift for eons.

[@ОлегКозлов-ю9т]

Ehmmm...We did research rocket movement before the war too...

[@Yingyanglord1]

true but most of the soviot devolpment was at the time focused on thier advanced aircraft desighns or in one a supersonic rocket plane