Panasonic GH5S - First hands on review & test footage

[@JonathanBarrow]

Using Casey’s office. Clickbait af.

[@extrashot]

The thought that he might have passed on the camera he leaked made us chuckle anyway! :)

[@simon_patterson]

Smart play!

[@juiceplanet147]

I thought that was green screen lol cool stuff guys!

[@extrashot]

;) thank you for the nice feedback... it's appreciated.

[@brutolmedia3086]

Best hands on review by far. No one tested the lowlight like y'all did! Great job!

[@extrashot]

Thank you for the king comment.

[@tuburungapa3854]

"I want both. It doesn't replace it., it's an alternative." Well said.

[@DamianBartolacci]

This is by far my favorite Low light review of this camera. Good job.

[@MickGrewcock]

Really useful for me as a GH5 owner who has to use low light to film my long bow making videos. Am now keen to get an S. Thanks for sharing.

[@mmaneage86]

I enjoy how you guys didn't freak out about the lack of ibis. It seems that a lot of reviewers are reacting so negatively about it, as opposed to simply saying...you can buy the camera that fits your needs. ...which you guys are doing.

[@extrashot]

I don't think many pros will be that bothered by lack of IBIS... it's aimed at a different market. Thanks for the kind comment.

[@luttekikker]

I see a million complaints in GH5 forums about the GH5S not having IBIS. Hell, in the world I live in (filmmaking) no one uses IBIS but Ronins and Steadycams or sliders and jibs. Hell, I didn't hear them complain ever with GH4 back in the days. It was THE biggest improvement compared to many other camera's that did hit the market back in the days. C4K without an overheating sensor while retaining great skincolours. And now people go full out about ....IBIS while that was not even a point of concern for thousands of GH4 shooters. If you want stabilized video, you get a steadycam or gimbal. I like the (more controlled) image of gimbals more than IBIS actually. My DJI Ronin is so much more natural when it comes to stabilized footage compared to IBIS. Sometimes it's hard to see, but the vertical movements of the GH5 and the corrections IBIS is implementing in the final video are just not that nice imo.

[@AlBergstein]

Great job guys. As an owner of GH5 I would have to agree that I won't be selling my GH5 but likely will add this as an A cam for video and keep the 5 for still shooting and b cam. Will likely wait until the first wave of sales goes through. The low light demonstration in this video is superb. Immediately answers my questions on whether it's noticeably better than the 5. It is. Thanks for doing the review right.

[@extrashot]

Thank you for taking the time to comment. I'd certainly rather have both cameras (and some lenses) than 1 EVA1 !!!

[@LearningFast]

Great review. I was shocked at the low light capabilities. Really fantastic.

[@extrashot]

It really is very impressive. Thanks for the comment.

[@MarriedWithBackpacks]

Ok guys, what you are doing is great! in depth, laid-back review with perfect test footage, can't wait for more!Theres no need to watch another review, you covered it all! Good job!

[@extrashot]

Thanks - hopefully we can do more

[@CLIFFLIX]

No mention about actual dynamic range between both models. What you you guys think?

[@extrashot]

Think we need to do a few more tests and an update.... hopefully soon!

[@AndySnap]

Good to see a review from 'real world' film makers, who don't just pick apart the drawbacks but get the overall usability of the camera. A much more informative review for that too.

[@extrashot]

Thanks Andrew.... the feedback really helps as we work out what to do next.

[@TutorCouture]

Please could you repeat the word you used at 15.38? After 'Candid camera'? Sounds something like 'didivert' ? Thank you

[@extrashot]

I think Steve's saying "can the camera deliver the shots we wanted"... so sorry about his strange accent !!!

[@TutorCouture]

haha, I was totally off! Thanks. They're great accents by the way (great video too)

[@manueljenkin95]

I'm a 70% stills 30% video guy. I love street photography and long exposures, and a little bit of portraits. I also like to take first person videos (eg like I'm on a rollercoaster ride). I have quite steady hands. I can generally manage like 2 second exposures on my OnePlus 3 handheld easily (and can also do 4 second exposures with some effort). I've never ventured into high ISO (oh yeah my phone sucks beyond iso 400, and I generally keep it down to 100, 99% of the time) so I'm not sure how I'll use it in these cameras. I like to take everything under my control - including white balance etc. Not really an autofocus guy either. I really like the gh line of cameras because of their beautiful menu and manual control system, features like pre set focus pulling etc and awesome lens that work well for both photo and video. The only other two cameras I'm interested are Leica SL (the money's lol) and mamiya 7 ii (hard to find and film gets expensive over time). Lens I'm thinking of buying 1. 12mm summilux. 2. Nocticron Reasons I'm considering gh5s over gh5 1. 240fps video. Gh5 can do 180fps but I've seen people tell it's better to stop at 120fps for best performance. 2. Better rolling shutter performance (would be ideal for first person videos).. But gh5 120fps and rolling shutter performance is already good as it is. And since I'm mostly contended with a phone camera I don't think gh5 low light performance would be a bummer. Reasons I'm considering gh5. 1. Larger resolution. 2. Ibis.. but I'm not sure how it'll help me with my use cases. It works different from OIS and I'm not sure of any disadvantages, I guess in addition to moving the sensor it also does some different interpolation I guess. Sure it'll be a boon for gimbal shooters though I'm not one but does it introduce any additional artefacts for long exposure shots? I know ibis is beneficial for video but does it take anything away from photo (in terms of artefact control etc). I'm mostly a handheld shooter, though taking a tripod with me wouldn't be a pain. And also it's most likely that I'd easily be able to find a rock or something to stabilize so won't be such a big bummer. Should I rather get gh5 and save some moneys!? These are some long exposure shots I took on my phone (I didn't take much street photography yet but it is also in my area of interest). I take photos with my phone rarely only when I really get the mood to do so.. www.flickr.com/photos/94577550@N08/ EDIT: just saw a commercial and I'm STUNNED by the rolling shutter performance. Swaying towards the gh5s now.

[@EugeneMaynard]

Thanks for the info about the nine seconds TC drop and the darker exposure comparison at lower ISOs. As a recent GH5 owner I am looking forward to complimenting that amazing little camera with the GH5S for those extra stops, extra slow mo rates in HD and not forgetting also in DCI.

[@extrashot]

I hope I didn't say seconds !!!.... it's nine frames - which, I realise doesn't make it any easier? Thank you for the comment

[@sensitivevisual8336]

Great video. Very helpful. What king of lens and stabilizer did you have when you shot the woods?

[@logandrayson4175]

Amazing review, great work! I would have loved to see the GH5s survival scene before and after so I could see how dark it really was.

[@extrashot]

Yes... we wondered about how to show that too. We could have shown the same shots with a GH5 but where would we set the ISO? To be honest, around the camp fire, we couldn't get a usable shot from the GH5 at all. It was simply a black frame or masses of snow (noise). With hindsight, what we should have done is maybe caption the ISO used on every shot? Thanks for your comment.

[@artnelsoncreative]

Does anyone know if there is a measurement (percentage?)of how much stabilization you lose by using the GH5s with lens stabilization in comparison to using the GH5 with both in-Camera and lens stabilization. Thanks!

[@HeliumContent]

Lovely review! Subscribed!

[@ellarpc]

Best GH5s preview I've seen so far! You guys hit all the marks. Would you be willing to share some of your low light files for us to sample?

[@FrenchieFries]

how did they get into casey's office?... wait its green screen

[@extrashot]

Ha! ;)

[@JamesBenet]

Well done, one of the best GH5s vs GH5 comparisons out there. Subscribed!

[@extrashot]

Thank you... appreciated.

[@TechLineHD]

Excellent and entertaining review, guys. I will buy this and use my Metabones Speed booster XL + Sigma 18-35 with it. The auto-focus? Will keep my cheapo Sony A6300 for that and I'm sorted.

[@extrashot]

You won't be disappointed... I've used my Speedbooster with the 'S' quite a bit... another 1.3 stops just makes you greedy !!!

[@TechLineHD]

Thanks for the reply!

[@Hector_G_Funk]

I'm curious, which mount did you choose for the speedbooster?

[@extrashot]

EF... only because we've quite a few nice EF lenses to try!

[@Hector_G_Funk]

Ah so the significantly more expensive one. I'm fairly new to all of this, but I've been doing quite a bit of research. I do have a Metabones for my BMPCC, but it's the Nikon mount. I was thinking about getting a Metabones in the Nikon mount for my G7 (and hopefully soon the GH5) so I could just get the SIgma lens and use on both. But it appears that it would really benefit to have the EF feature for convenience. SO MANY DECISIONS!

[@allsizons5228]

Hello, I shoot music videos and I have a canon 5D mark iii, I would like to upgrade but am still confused if I should go for a GH5s or Canon Mark iv, Kindly advise

[@extrashot]

Hi All, It's really difficult to recommend different models because so much is down to what you want to shoot and the style of how you shoot. For instance, if you definitely need autofocus then there's nothing to compare with the Canon dual pixel system, but if you think low light capabilities are more important, then the GH5S is amazing. Which lenses have you got? I've already invested in quite a few Canon lenses so have to use an adaptor/speed booster on the GH5S which can be a pain. The list goes on.... GH5 is better with high bit rate 4K picture quality, but the Canon's are better at that full-frame small DoF look. However, I can give you my purely personal opinion based solely on video work... I'd go for the GH5S, but then I much prefer Canon camera's for stills? Sorry I'm not much help - the good news is that the content of what you shoot is much more important that what you use !!!

[@user-le9vo3du8s]

The walking shots look very stable to me. I assume that's the lens IS at work there? Aside from the slider, any other (stabilizing) gear being used there?

[@extrashot]

Yes... we used the Zhyiun Crane 2 we reviewed earlier...

[@nantongoressy6223]

Thank you very much for your advise it has been so helpful! Be blessed.

[@brokenint]

So I just got this, and I can't figure out why PAL s still 25fps and no way of changing it? Any advice?

[@extrashot]

errr... I'm a little confused, do you mean you can't change the frame rate to anything other than 25fps or that you can't change PAL to NTSC? - In the setup menu you should have a section marked 'System Frequency', here you can swap between PAL, NTSC or CINEMA. After that, your frame choices should be under the camera 'record format' menu. Just checking... you are in MOVIE with the mode dial on the top. Obviously, other frame rates are available once you start playing with slow or quick.motion. Hope this helps... if not get back to me and I'll try to see whats wrong. Cheers, Paul

[@brokenint]

Yeah sorry I wasn't clear enough. I'm on PAL, and I'm in MOVIE (mode). But All my frame rates I can choose from is either 25fps or 50fps. Also, the monitor shows everything in 25fps. This doesn't make any sense to me,

[@extrashot]

Ahh okay, to get the 30P (29.97) or 60P (59.94) options you'll need to switch the system frequency to NTSC mode and for 24P you'll want CINEMA mode. For anything other than 24,25,30,50, or 60, you'll need to choose a format that supports variable frame rate and then adjust that in the Camera menu. Hope that makes sense. Cheers, Paul

[@brokenint]

Hmm, any reason to why PAL isn't just 23,97 by default like on every other camera? Also, I wish I could set so that I could turn VFR on and off using one button. Just the smallest problems but still. Thank you!

[@extrashot]

In the UK PAL is usually 50i or 25P... 24fps is normally a rate preferred for cinema use rather than TV

[@biscuitsalive]

Not being funny but how did you guys get this early when you have such a small channel? / footprint

[@extrashot]

...but it's not all about size - it's the quality of our subscribers that counts! (and we're growing)

[@biscuitsalive]

extrashot hey I’m not being mean. New subscriber here. Just curious. P.s. have a look at my latest gh5 surf shots from weekend. (We had epic conditions on Saturday!)

[@extrashot]

That's not fair... you had bigger waves !!! :)

[@biscuitsalive]

extrashot :D

[@trapromo]

This content that they produce is probably some of the best on youtube, people that actually will purchase or are in the industry will easily tell the difference in clickbait youtubers that dont really "get it" and actual professional opinions. Good job guys, just got a GH5 myself, and because no IBIS in GH5s i do not feel cheated, because i do love my speedbooster and nikkor lens combos, handholding a 20 year old nikkor lens feels like magic. What i would have liked to seen is quality comparisons of different high speed framerates, do the 240 fps look worse then 125 ? With GH5 i end up using 125 fps rather then 180 because of that little extra in quality. Also looking at stills comparisons on Dpreview it does not look particularily impressive the high ISO`s(still better then GH5 obviously) , so is there some really good noise reduction going on in video , and how much does the fine detail hurt as you go up in ISO ?

[@AndreiVaida]

Excellent review !

[@bowandribbons_studio]

Loved this, very in depth and seemed as if I was listening to someone who sells this product rather than a youtuber going for views

[@extrashot]

Oh noooo.... don't want to sound like salesmen - We're users !!! (thanks for the comment)

[@lenscapejunkie1724]

What did you shoot this review on, and with what lens?

[@extrashot]

Hi Lenscape Junkie, The main camera for shooting us and the GH5S was my old GH5, mainly used with Canon 16-35mm f2.8 L with Metabones 0.64x XL speed booster. If you're talking about the lenses on the GH5S during the tests... we used a selection: Panasonic 12-60mm f2.8-4.0 LEICA DG Panasonic 25mm f1.7 LUMIX G ASPH Olympus 12mm f2.0 ZUIKO Digital ED Canon 16-35mm f2.8 L - with Metabones 0.71x speed booster Canon 50mm f.1.2 L - with Metabones 0.71x speed booster Hope that makes sense... cheers, Paul

[@vanillamindscream196]

Awesome review guys

[@ErnestoSuePhotography]

I enjoyed the review, great job guys.

[@extrashot]

Thank you

[@charbax]

They should have spent the effort and made a slightly larger body to still fit their IBIS in there. And them not yet totally fixing AF is very disappointing. I'm currently renting a GX10 so that I can have Dual Pixel AF at 4K60 and to buy I'll have to wait for something else, possibly a next 4K60 with IBIS and proper 100% reliable AF from Canon or Sony.

[@atradiesknows]

Very curious about moire at 4k- any thoughts?

[@extrashot]

We didn't notice anything worse than the GH5 at 4K. The downsampling seems very good even though the sensor resolution is lower. HD is even better than the GH5. Have you heard of issues?

[@atradiesknows]

I have, but i haven't seen it discussed so much. I've heard its less than GH5 because of an AA filter. I've seen it said that in VFR and FHD, it's quite bad- but for my purposes, the only things I want out of the cam are at 4k 10bit- with the low light response and color space, its really just the moire making me hesitant about using it as a RED b cam.

[@extrashot]

Ahh normal 4K and HD are fine on the GH5S... but you will get a quality drop using high VFR modes as the sensor crop and bit rate don't help with aliasing. If you don't need the low light capability then the GH5 is cleaner at VFR. (also better at 4K 10bit if you don't need the low light, although you can't turn the IBS off... which I know effects some with matching cameras). Personally, I don't use the GH5 above 1600 ISO unless desperate!

[@atradiesknows]

For me it's very much about low light and handheld gimbal work- it would be a b cam for my Red Epic. I really only care what it does at 4K 10bit, thats what's germane to my work.

[@Lacocacolaman]

I've seen so many review videos and this one is the best one.

[@extrashot]

Cheers

[@ParadigmImagesVideoPhotography]

what is the music track please? I have the GH 5, not buying the GH5S for this price, I think I'll wait for the GH6.

[@extrashot]

We used three tracks in this video: Waves by Joakim Karud soundcloud.com/joakimkarud Canals by Joakim Karud soundcloud.com/joakimkarud www.bensound.com/royalty-free-music I wonder if the GH6 will be a movie camera to replace the GH5S and the G9 will be left for stills?

[@ParadigmImagesVideoPhotography]

Thank you so much.

[@ParadigmImagesVideoPhotography]

Thank you, not sure if I'll buy the G9, I have Nikon D4 for still, I prefer full frame.

[@EssentialRC]

Great info guys. Subscribed. Any advantages to the GH5s over the AG-UX180 other than lower weight obviously? VLOG is overkill for the KZbin work I do. I've been using my UX180 for 12+ months and it can be heavy for filming at events where I can't use a tripod. This could be a great option for when I need to be lighter on my toes but lack of in-body stabilisation is bit of a turn off.

[@extrashot]

The AG-UX180 is a great camera at a good price, especially when you consider the lens, XRL inputs etc.... but it is a dedicated video camera with a video 'looK to the images. I think most people find the DSLR form factor more difficult to handle or not as 'friendly' when you need to shoot quickly at fast moving events. You'd need to add the XLR module for good audio, probably a speedbooster and a fast computer if you want to edit 4:2:2 10bit at 4K. So by the time you've got a gimbal and nice lenses you might actually be spending considerably more money. However, the other side of the coin is.... the potential picture quality from the GH5s in low light is amazing... and to my eyes, very 'filmic'. Short answer... it all depends on what you need to film and the trade off between convenience and ultimate picture quality.

[@EssentialRC]

Appreciate the reply. I hadn't thought of most of those. I think I've already got the best solution for my work based on that. Very rarely film in low light except when filming pyrotechnics. Thanks again - Subscribed. Cheers Dom (Essential RC)

[@Hector_G_Funk]

You are recommending a speedbooster as well for use with this camera? Can you elaborate on that please.

[@extrashot]

We have tried the Metabones 0.64x XL and Ultra 0.71x... both EF mount. The sensor seems a little bigger on the GH5S so the 0.71x maybe the best bet for wide lenses. Having said that... there's now a lot more choice for good cine lenses for these M43 cameras, so speedboosters are by no means essential.

[@Hector_G_Funk]

To clarify, you would use the .71x because the GH5 doesn't crop the frame when shooting in 4k. Correct?

[@allsizons5228]

Thanks guys for your best explanation.

[@extrashot]

... and thank you for the comment.

[@raztechstudios]

Does it shoot 10 bit at least if your doing 120FPS for slow motion. I know you mentioned 240FPS it goes down to 8bit

[@extrashot]

I believe all VFR modes are 8bit although anything less than 200fps looks slightly higher quality because it doesn't crop the sensor. You could get up to 60fps in 10bit just by setting the system frequency.

[@mreddieau]

what camera do you use to film you talking to camera here?

[@extrashot]

Hi Steve, We were using my old GH5 for the chat !!!

[@billpancake]

I love you people 👍🏼 why on earth don't you have more subscribers?

[@extrashot]

We're baffled too!

[@hdphoto]

​@@extrashot Well, you just got one more sub from me. Great content and excellent tests in your YT videos and reviews!

[@extrashot]

@@hdphoto Thank you... very kind!

[@epicdreamsaudiovisualprodu148]

my name is Esmond and so i just finish watching ur video and i must say a big thank u to u guys amazing job Weldon and its a great info pass on pretty well but i am still worried n confuse and would love for u to advice me... i am a freelance Filmmaker in NIGERIA, Africa and i want to get THE GH5 or GH5S...

[@extrashot]

Personally, for filmmaking I'd choose the GH5S... although you would lose the in body stabilisation and ability to crop in 4K... the advantages in low light work for me.

[@epicdreamsaudiovisualprodu148]

well... i have a Ronin to Assistant me in stabilisation... thank u

[@extrashot]

People forget... there's some times when IBIS gets in the way of movie shooting... good choice 👍

[@johngabriel564]

Thats casey's studio right?

[@maxmedia4661]

great informative vid. new sub here! would you recommend the gh5s over the sony a7iii&a7sii for paid production work such as social media commercials,weddings,real estate? usually shooting on the ronin m. thanks guys

[@extrashot]

Hi Casey, thanks for the sub. That’s a tough question and we recon there will be an A7Siii for you to compare soon too! Just comparing the A7iii with the GH5S very much depends on what you’re shooting… they are both excellent camera’s on a Ronin. The GH5S will internally record 10bit at up to 400Mb/s, which is great if you need to grade from log profiles, it also looks cleaner at usable movie ISO’s to my eyes - useful if you need a really low light camera. However, the A7iii has that lovely full frame look, with better auto-focus and 5 axis image stabilisation. Usable AF and IS can really help when you do a lot of Ronin shooting. I don’t think I’m helping you much!… maybe another consideration would be what lenses you presently own or what other camera’s you need to match with? Oh, and cost too....

[@maxmedia4661]

extrashot thank you so much for your input! You're a huge help! I know everyone has their opinions and I've watched hours of videos on both. I'm doing more paid video work so that's where my focus is when it comes to me upgrading from my canon 80d. I don't have much invested in glass however I like the idea of switching to sony and using mainly native lenses. Low light, 120fps, cinematic look,good af and most likely full frame would be a few of the top must haves. My thinking is I could go with the a7iii for now and when the a7siii comes I could upgrade and keep the don't lenses. I'm going to be shooting promo commercials for businesses so I really want that cinematic look so if you have any other suggestions I'm all ears!! Thank you so much 🙏🙏🎥📷

[@maxmedia4661]

I'm also looking into getting the atomos ninja or one of their products for external recording if that plays in a role in the cameras I should look at?:)

[@extrashot]

I really like what Sony have done with the E-Mount... it's a very flexible system and goes all the way up to the Venice too! If I was investing in lenses now, I think the E-Mount would be a very serious factor to consider. Also, the full frame look is always going to give you more choices with cinematic styles... however, I'm not criticising the Panasonic's... I think the 4:2:2 10bit pictures have nicer colour out of the box. But then, reading your reply below... an external recorder can wipe out those advantages with better codecs and I would suggest a 7" monitor with LUT's which definitely helps give you and your clients more confidence in what you're recording. (especially at 4K when you have to focus !!! ) Some of the Atamos recorders with HDR/HLG/LUTs etc are amazing... and if you need more money for lenses, take a look at the Blackmagic 7" Video Assists too?

[@maxmedia4661]

extrashot amazing!Thank you so much i think we're on the same page! I agree and hopefully someday I'll get into those cinematic cams like the Venice. I've got one more question but 1st is there anything I can do to repay you for your time I really appreciate the help!? While shooting on my ronin is there something I can use to operate the manual focus? I'm fairly new and well aware of my ignorance lol. Is it a follow focus thing?

[@brucebrucestofiston5554]

The start and music made me laugh. Best review around as per usual

[@extrashot]

Thank you

[@kennyboston8556]

What lens should a start out with for the GH5s? Shooting horror short

[@extrashot]

That's such a difficult question.. depends on your intended style, budget, lighting.... just one lens? How do you feel about Speedboosters?

[@kennyboston8556]

@@extrashot I was thinking buyinh a GH5 for outside run and gun scenes. And also buying a GH5S for indoor low light scenes

[@extrashot]

​@@kennyboston8556 Well for low light on the GH5S... the obvious place to start is the fastest quality primes you can find. They don't have to cost a fortune... I've been getting great results from the Lumix G 25mm f/1.7 Asph, and obviously any fast Canon primes will work even faster with a Metabones Speedbooster? If you're looking for something wider, or need a zoom, then the Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 7-14mm f/2.8 PRO is brilliant, but quite pricey. The main problem with lens advice is it's just such a personal decision... that should really be dictated by the style you want to achieve, rather than listening to a random bloke off the internet - like me! Take care.

[@kraft1954]

So the dynamic range from 12 reached 14, right?

[@extrashot]

??? We didn't test dynamic range... looks similar to the GH5 but we'd need to get it on a proper chart to tell.

[@toughtandreviews4909]

thank you for this video guys, awsome work! I really like the way you talk about the gears. Although, if you gonna edit in 4K dont 200% the 1080p240 footage, it'll look blury. cheers

[@extrashot]

True... had to show the slowmo at 240 fps though! - thanks for the comment.

[@N9524Q]

Very nicely done

[@extrashot]

Thank you

[@CineWorldvfx]

Very good review, thanks!

[@extrashot]

Thank you.

[@biscuitsalive]

P.s. do you know if the regular XL ef-m43 metabones will fit gh5s Obviously very little space behind that metabones lens. Wondering if it may clash with the “larger” gh5s sensor.

[@extrashot]

Yes - I tried both the 0.64XL and 0.71 Ultras and they both worked very well on the GH5S. In fact, better than the GH5 because the sensor isn't bouncing around!

[@biscuitsalive]

extrashot nice one. I’m not going to rush out and buy it. But after seeing side by sides with a7s2 in low light and side by sides with gh5 slow mo I may consider selling both my gh5 and Sony and buying a gh5s

[@ManelBarros]

Is there a big difference when comparing a GH5 with a 0.64XL and a GH5s without it?

[@8255818730]

extrashot can you explain a little bit more what do you mean by sensor bouncing? Im sill deciding between these two, and missing IBIS is worry me a bit, as I gonna use it for travel I try to keep it light no gimbal. But does the low light performance increase justify that substitution. Is it worth going with digital stabilization instead.

[@biscuitsalive]

Manuel Barros about a stop and a half faster. And has DOF equivalence of a APS-H sized sensor.

[@mixflip]

They should have named it the GH5V (for video)

[@extrashot]

Good point.... the S is for sensitive apparently!

[@richardoosthuizen9745]

V for valid point mixflip...would have made more sense 👍 agree with you.

[@extrashot]

Does anyone know what the G and H stand for?

[@SteevE-G]

The same with 4:4:4 and higher bitrate and internal stabilisation and I'm happy 😅

[@extrashot]

true!

[@Jeronnimooo]

Thanks guys. Really helpful! Keep up the good work!

[@extrashot]

Thank you... we'll try to do more!

[@jackofblades6736]

The intro room looks familiar? Casey's?

[@extrashot]

:) only because he leaked the first pictures!

[@LeBill777]

Thanks for this video, i saw a lot of gh5s reviews, It was frustrating for me because I want to buy a movie making dslr (for TV, I know that 4/3 isn't made for projection) now thanks to you guys, I'm sure of it

[@extrashot]

Thanks for the kind comment... sure you won't be disappointed!

[@rdfilms.]

why the hell those panasonic cameras do not have a decent focus in 2018 ? ??

[@TheUndisputedGodFather]

Great review!

[@extrashot]

Thank you

[@candyartstv]

Kinda late on this one, but the wobbly corners from the GH5 is starting to get on my nerves. The GH5s is starting to become a little bit more appealing for my next short. For straight up movie making it definitely replaces the GH5.

[@extrashot]

I know what you mean... especially on wider lenses. Does the S5 not work for you?

[@candyartstv]

@@extrashot I've got all MFT glass, so I'm just not feeling the switch to a complete new system, and If I was to switch I think I'd go over to the canon c70 or a7siii.

[@extrashot]

@@candyartstv fair point... I'm convinced a GH6 will still be coming for exactly that reason !!!

[@candyartstv]

@@extrashot You would think, but the GH6 would have to beat or match the S1H while costing more than the S5, and I'm not confident they'll sacrifice their L Mount cameras. Plus MFT shooters are asking for the GH6 and panasonic AF102, but it doesn't seem like Panasonic are listening.

[@vervagump]

Great review!! Thanks :)

[@extrashot]

Thanks for the comment

[@FellipeRodrigues89]

for the price difference I'm not sure if the "alternative" is justifiable.

[@_rhapsodist]

I loved the Casey Neistat reference in the beginning. That low-light does seem impressive but I will rather wait for the A7Siii

[@extrashot]

It'll certainly be interesting... hopefully we'll get to do a head to head... glad someone got the whole Casey thing!

[@robert7622]

So if these bigger pixels are better at collecting light why are the gh5s photos more noisier then the gh5?

[@extrashot]

GH5S photos are lower resolution, not noisier... if anything they look cleaner in low light!

[@robert7622]

Not according to the DPreview Studio test...

[@robert7622]

www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=panasonic_dcgh5&attr13_1=panasonic_dcgh5s&attr15_0=jpeg&attr15_1=jpeg&attr16_0=6400&attr16_1=6400&normalization=print&widget=585&x=0.008152049980156515&y=0.9504555692055693

[@extrashot]

We're not seeing those sort of results at all ???

[@robert7622]

Doing a bit more research it looks like the RAW photo performance is very similar. Its just the 20mp Gh5 JPEGs have a more aggressive noise reduction profile.. They do this because they have more megapixels to play with. I think theres a bit of mis understanding out there to why low MP sensor cameras produce cleaner low light video.. Its not because more light is being collected, it because there is less circuit noise being generated becuase of the fewer mp which only really happens when capturing video

[@Farshidmisaghi121]

Loved the video !!! U guys are awesome!!!!

[@extrashot]

.... make us blush! - thank you

[@christofferkrook1044]

Great review, thanks!

[@extrashot]

...and thank you for commenting.

[@max03tube]

Does it have in-body image stabilization?

[@extrashot]

You didn't get all the way to 18:30 then? :)

[@PeterDiBussolo]

Isn't that Neistats place

[@extrashot]

;)

[@whichlens435]

Human eye get's night vision up to like 26000 ISO @ 3.5 (some lucky up to 52000-60000 ISO). So here u look at the range of 8000 to 16000 ISO @ 1.8 in the video @14:21 to 14:27. Border of the eye sees even more : cat vision. Some say, an eye can detect a single photon...

[@extrashot]

Wow... that's amazing info! How did anyone measure the ISO of a human eye? I think mine need cleaning !!! (I couldn't see the cobweb in our test even when I knew it was there - ie the camera was a lot more sensitive than my eye)

[@whichlens435]

Yes indeed. Over 26000 ISO @ F/D 3.5 (typical 1/48s exposure ) any camera sees more than a typical human eye can ! It's the limit if u wanna play the realistic game. Lots of studies around :). U made it obvious, good job !

[@joshhhab]

And on GH5s you can easily drop framerate to 1/25 and get one more stop of light so it will be 4.5 stops advantage... We are not limited by rotary mechanical shutter of film cinema cameras

[@extrashot]

Good point.... with the right subjects (not too much movement) you could get away with a lower shutter.

[@markshirley01]

Brilliant it's like watching 'Smith & Jones' but with cameras thrown in. - my heart says GH5S my mind says A73 😎👌 I wonder if the GH5S is a better choice with OSS lenses than the GH5 for video.

[@JimmytheGenius]

The GH5S is Amazing!

[@extrashot]

The low light capabilities certainly are!

[@MattGrover]

You kept saying how good the HD is, does that mean you’re not as impressed with the UHD on the GH5s? The low-light performance is stunning though. AND TCin!!!

[@MattGrover]

Actually, thinking back, I think you said you preferred the ‘s’ “better downsampling perhaps”??

[@extrashot]

In theory... 4K shouldn't be as good because of the lower resolution sensor, although we couldn't spot it on screen. HD actually does look better than the GH5??? It must be something to do with the downsampling maths. Maybe 10.2MB goes into HD better than 6K ???

[@MattGrover]

Interesting! I think I’m with Paul. Keep the GH5 and get a GH5s as well ;)

[@JeffBourke]

wow. it really looks like your filming inside a shop.

[@aldariel744]

How come you were in Casey's office? I clicked to learn that and stayed cause of the nice review.

[@extrashot]

Who published the first photo of this camera?

[@tonyframes]

very well done lighting is the answer

[@SoundSpeeding]

@13:25 WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTT????????????? That is PURE MADNESS!! The camera going to sleep & loses TC?? OMG, that is truly shocking news. Surely the GH5S should be jammed to the input? Please please tell me it only loses sync when it is relying upon its own internal TC! As that would be sad, but not at all a deal breaker. But if can't stay jammed to a box attached to it, then you have to seriously question why Panasonic even bothered? As that is the most stupid ever flaw of the GH5S.

[@extrashot]

I agree... it's a major disappointment the way things are at the moment. The GH5S isn't constantly jammed to the input... it jams when the menu option is pressed and then runs on it's internal clock until you jam it again. And yes, the internal clock loses 9 frames each time the camera sleeps or is turned off. I'm used to cameras that will stay perfectly sync'd to timecode for as long at you leave the BNC connected... so this is very frustrating. If you're running a multi camera shoot on mains it could be useful... or if you remember to jam to the audio mixer every time before hitting record. I was hoping that this T/C function wasn't quite right because we were using a pre-release version of the firmware... and I haven't heard any other reviewers pick up on it yet?

[@SoundSpeeding]

Wait... what?? No way, it can't be constantly jammed to the input??? I hope this isn't true in the shipping product. Otherwise I have to ask what were the Panasonic designers smoking at the time?! Thanks for the response, this is a major major issue that Panasonic needs to address asap! Pity, as I was so excited when I read the announcements :-( I even blogged about it immediately beforehand: ironfilm.co.nz/leaked-the-specs-of-the-panasonic-gh5s-finally-we-get-the-first-stills-camera-with-timecode-i-o/

[@arieshester7272]

Pulling this off on a micro four-thirds sensor just proves what they can do on a bigger sensor. Wow.

[@extrashot]

True - amazing on a M43.

[@SplendidBlended]

Casey's office :)

[@SoundSpeeding]

That was my first thought too!

[@extrashot]

(~_^) spotted!

[@fvonwesterholt]

Thanks a lot! I watched this to the bitter end. You are the best! Would like to see the 180 or 240 fps with architecture in the image. We had some issues with the GH5 in a situation with moving lines, even in 120 fps, inside and outside. Edit: Found some stuff here, the lines of the sweater at 8,02: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4XZlK2ljadkl6Mm2s GH5s in 240 fps seems to be unusable.

[@extrashot]

I wouldn't call it unusable... although I can see the horizontal lines on the sweater in your example. We didn't notice any significant aliasing like that, but maybe it's very dependant on your subject?

[@DeanHarringtonimages]

I'll wait for the New Black Magic Pocket Cinema camera.

[@extrashot]

Haven't seen what that's like in low light yet?

[@groundhouse]

The best video camera without focus and image stabilizer on the market. HF!

[@DoctorMunna]

ohhhhhhh my goodd , the low light , i think it can rival the a7s and a7r series

[@extrashot]

Be interesting to see what the Mark III brings?

[@luttekikker]

The GH5S sensor in a 16Mpix Full Frame format would be amazeballz. 10 Megapixel is just a bit too low, but 16 Mpix is fine for me if they can retain the low light DR till max 95% or so of the sensor of the current GH5.

[@welldone8235]

"GH5 is a great stills camera that also shoots video" yeah, right, lol

[@extrashot]

Be interesting to know if video or stills guys are buying the most GH5 bodies?

[@SoundSpeeding]

Even the 10megapixels of the GH5S is *double* the resolution of what my first DSLR had! :-o

[@Docfly62]

Yeah that statement caught me by surprise too. I though that it was universally agreed upon that the GH5 is an excellent video camera that takes pretty good still too.

[@extrashot]

Maybe I should have said the GH5 was "designed" to be a stills camera? :)

[@Docfly62]

You are joking right?

[@jaygurung4640]

Wow your studio is just like Casey's.... i love it.LOL.

[@extrashot]

Casey who?

[@jaygurung4640]

hahahahaha...you guys are too much,i love it I LOVE IT.

[@bigdap100]

...upset about what? I don’t see why some didn’t want the GH5s to come out before April.

[@extrashot]

I think some GH5 owners were upset at first about a new model coming out so soon after they'd purchased... that was before they realised it wasn't necessarily an upgrade... more of an alternative. What's the April thing? I think it's on sale next month.

[@bigdap100]

extrashot idk, I assumed that if they didn’t want Panasonic to release the GH5s in Feb, they would be fine with the release at NAB 2018 in April.

[@cinemenico]

Before the GH5 was even announced in my mind I already wanted Panasonic to split up the flagship model into multiple flagship. There's just a lot of stills photographers that perhaps would buy the GH5 over the GX8 for some of its ergonomics and features. Maybe they're stills shooters that shoot the occassional video as well. But they'd be spending all that premium on features they're 99% of the time have no use for (that goes a little beyond the optional V-Log L). So I was like: they should bring a GH5 that's mainly stills focused and then bring a VC5 in VariCam tradition (of course ultimately it turns out they launched the hybrid GH5, the stills G9 and now the cinema style shooting GH5S; which kinda puts the GH5 in an ackward spot perhaps, because I think people would lean more towards the ends of the spectrum than the middleground). To be honest, back in the day you would get either 5DmkII, T2i/550D, GH2 or BMPCC because it was a somewhat affordable way to shoot like an industry professional. You might hack your camera for better quality, use nice lenses, get yourself a nice tripod and fluidhead or shoulder rig (or in the really early days people do a lot of DIY with PVC piping even). I absolutely adore the GH-range, but purely on a sensor level, they've never really been that great. Especially the highlight clipping: just terrible highlight roll-off and dynamic range and not so great lowlight high ISO noise performance left much to wish for. Thing is, the bigger sensor cameras from other manufactuers or their philosophies are flawed in their own ways, although they have that sensor level potential advantage. To me both GH5 and E-M1 Mark II are prime example of how you make a mirrorless camera. They just can't really keep up with 'em in terms of sensor performance. But I feel like this GH5S is a pretty huge effin' deal! I loved the BMPCC, but it was highly impractical. Yet the footage was gorgeous and filmic, even though it was a small sensor, the files were thick and gradable, hence it was a 'cinema camera' (and also meant they could prioritise video performance and disregard stills), albeit a 'pocket' one. Since then they did have the 'micro' cinema camera, but honestly, it needed frankenrigging (although the BMPCC itself wasn't very great either with super limited battery life, bad screen and audio, etc)... it wasn't an all-in-one contained cinema device anymore. Feel like, despite of the lack of any uncompressed recording possibilities, that this might be the next best thing again! Yet, it's so much more practical and unlike most cinema cameras, it's even good at higher ISOs now. I've never thought I'd see this kind of performance in a 4/3" system camera to be honest... atleast not at this stage (I know the developments and rumors of organic sensors with heaps of dynamic range, great lowlight sensitivity, superb color and global shutter, but this seemed far away into the future still). I was sorta thinking about going Fujifilm X-H1, or whatever is rumored after the X-T2, because of the sensor advantage (I wouldn't like a FF ecosystem, and I also don't like Sony's A6x00 series because they prioritise a small camera body, causing numerous problems and completely disregarding a compact lens line-up native to that sensor size). Better dynamic range, richer colors, improved high ISO performance. If that's the improvement I'm getting with the GH5S... then I'll happily stick to the system. That's as well a point. I'm heavily invested in the MFT system. But if you've been shooting over the years with a GH2, GH4 and now GH5... were would you go to take it up a notch? Panasonic VariCam? Canon Cinema EOS? Sony FS? Blackmagic URSA Mini? Kinefinity Terra? Maybe an old 2nd hand RED? Well... that's not exactly cheap. And you'll be getting a new lens mount and all your compact MFT lenses are rendered useless (unless you decide to go with the JVC GY-LS300, which isn't exactly ahead in these areas either). But then you would have a very basic camera, you'll probably add an EVF, rig of some sort, storage, V-mount batteries etc. In the end you're closer to 10k to make the switch. So I'm really excited to have a sort of cinema camera that keeps you in the MFT ecosystem and doesn't set you back to much financially. I'm a bit sorry to see the 5-axis in-body stabilizer go, but again, back in the day we loved these cameras because you could shoot with it like an industry professional. And these folks still aren't relying on sensor stabilization, btw, they also aren't relying on very smooth continous autofocus. So... with something like this you're setting yourself up to shoot like a pro. Because you're not relying on IBIS and C-AF you're going to do great whenever you go up a league and decide to rent a RED or ARRI to shoot projects with. So... ultimately I feel like this sorta takes the ideology of the BMPCC and puts it in a GH5 body. I think it's great. It's a camera for cinematographers. That would feel like shooting with this like you would with any other cinema camera in more of a production environment. This is not meant to be a vlogger's cam, so I can see why Casey decided to drop Panasonic and go for the 6DmkII. You get that smooth benchmark C-AF of Canon's DualPixel AF. FF look is good for bokehwhoring. 1080p only, but for KZbin vloggers it means it's light to transfer into the computer, edit, export and upload, so your content is up on your channel quicker. Colors are fine out of the box, you don't have to worry or mess around with it too much, you might drop a curve, add some sharpness and you're done. A camera like that is just a different tool. But I'm not about that. So I'm looking forward to the GH5S! Me personally, I'd rather have both stills focused G9 for the occasional video & a dedicated cinema style camera, the GH5S than the a bit of both worlds GH5. Again, makes the GH5 sit kind of ackwardly in the market. But there's still some use for it of course. Especially for those who do want more pro video features, but are using a lot of primes for example and need to rely on that 5-axis body image stabilizer. Neways. Great video guys! And what a camera. Are these exciting times to shoot or what?! 😄

[@extrashot]

Wow.... you take the prize for the most detailed comment we've ever had. Thank you... good issues too !!! You've got a point about the position of the GH5... but then I was serious about wanting both. If you think about it, you could buy both bodies, and couple of lenses, spare batteries, XLR module, cheap Chinese cage, all for less than an EVA1 body, (and still have change for the bus fair home). In many ways this 'S' also puts the EVA1 in a strange position. Yes it's got that larger S35 sensor, but if I want that look... then a Speedbooster on a GH5S is a pretty amazing combination too, (especially at night)! I wouldn't get too hung up on what the professionals use (unless it's for cinema release) the difference in picture quality is getting really small now. Thanks again for the thoughts.

[@cinemenico]

Haha, I get that a lot. I'm a bit of a rambler like that. Yeah, I guess the GH5 is for some, but personally, I'd just take the G9 then and have a more capable dedicated stills camera at that, with e.g. that gorgeous and impressive EVF and even improved 6.5 stops of image stabilization. I'd still get the main chunk for actual video production out of the GH5S then. And it's looking good. Indeed, I was always sorta looking around for that 'up' from the GH-range... but where do you really end up? In a completely different ecosystem with far more serious pricing. This to me is way more like it. Really impressed (although I have seen quite a few people rather disappointed). 2019 I'll be able to go parttime on my 'normal' job and do some videography on the side. Would love it to be with this one as well for the reason that my first interchangeable lens camera was the GH2 back in the day of the Zacuto shootout and Philip Bloom's Christmas special and have become heavily invested ever since. At any rate... the future is looking bright! Pun intended! :D Have a gd one guys! Cheers.

[@PabloContrerasFotoviajante]

Great review! Still not buying this camera... Great specs, shitty focus. That's why when I saw Casey's studio at the thumbnail I thought there was something related on how AF sucks, and that was a reason why Casey is back to Canon.

[@extrashot]

Sorry if our little joke misled you! The AF is basically as good as it was on the GH5 !!! Thanks for the comment.

[@Skasparoff]

As always, nice style of review, nice joke on Casey : )

[@NunoPortugalFilming]

Its not dual base, its dual native ISO.

[@extrashot]

True - good point. I realise that Panasonic call it dual 'native' and Sony use the term dual 'base' on the Venice... but I can't find out what the technical difference is ? Do you know?

[@EdStarkey]

So right now, I am trying to figure out how to get my hands on $5K for a GH5s Sigma 18-35 a Metabones Speedbooster and a Crane 2 gimbal. Might have to figure out how to squeeze a Ninja Inferno in there too! Maybe I'll give blood, whore my body or rob a bank, but this combo is certainly worth it!

[@extrashot]

Still... think how much whoring and robbing you would have had to do to get this quality 10 years ago!

[@amosqiang]

like your video , like the way you guys talking ,funny hah

[@HuFilms]

I thought you were in Casey Neistat's studio at the start!

[@extrashot]

:)

[@trevorpinnocky]

It's not 3.5 stops better. Panasonic say 1.5 and most reviewers says 1.5-2. In real world shooting I think 3200 on the GH5 looks like 12800 on the GH5s by which time the shadows are noticeably dancing. Also 240fps looks pretty awful. You can see all kinds of artifacts and jagged lines instead of straight. I doubt most people will shoot this camera above ISO 16K. Looking forward to lots of footage from filmmakers going to forward.

[@extrashot]

We can only report what we observed. To my eyes, 3200 on my GH5 had similar dancing shadows to 20000 on the GH5S. We tested both cameras with the 'Standard' picture profile... I notice many reviewers made the initial mistake of comparing V-Log, so maybe there's something going on with noise reduction internally? Not sure log curves are the best way to test noise levels in the blacks. (There's a couple of reviewers who gave their opinion on the performance without even seeing a camera !!!) Either way, I keep thinking we need to do some more real world tests. Thanks for you comments. Paul

[@trevorpinnocky]

typically log is a gamma intended for maximum dynamic range and high contrast (ie daytime), favoring the midtones and highlights at the expense of the shadows. Of the available bits the least go to shadow detail. So vlog at night isn't the best option for night time comparison, especially as most night scenes are 6 to 7 stops max. *However* since the GH5 is 10bit it has more data than say an a7s ii, so a vlog-l to vlog-l comparison to me, is accpetable as shadows do have a 'reasonable' amount of data. If this camera were 3.5 stops better than the GH5 Panasonic would say so without hesitation. It's very likely 2 stops max or 1.5 conservatively as Panasonic reps have stated.

[@JeffBourke]

i usually have to pay more money for "extra shot".

[@MVargabass]

It's not a DSLR!!! 1:20 and the green screen with Casey Neistat Studio shouldn't be there

[@extrashot]

You are quite correct... I still refer to this form factor in the wrong way. Apologies.

[@MVargabass]

7:30 im sorry to correcting you but, 3200 - 6400 - 12800 - 25600 are the full ISO Stops. So from 3200 to 20000 are only 2 2/3 stops! not 3 or 3.5

[@MVargabass]

You made a great review. Keep up the good work! you've earned a subscriber

[@andytee88]

Love the video, though I wish it was around 10min. 20 is too long, for anything on youtube really, but I guess that's just my opinion

[@extrashot]

Actually, I agree with you... we wanted 10 mins but there was just to much to show you. The first edit was 40 mins !!!

[@ANigerianPrince]

Why did you use Casey Neistats office as your BG?

[@extrashot]

Who leaked the first pictures of the camera? :)

[@metreweli]

რანაირი კაცუნები არიან :დ

[@TrueSelfDiscovered]

I know that room lol

[@extrashot]

Ha... trouble is, people have forgotten who it was who inadvertently leaked the first pictures of this camera - so the joke's been lost now! 👍

[@LeeHerbet]

You do realise that the "perfect" camera wouldn't need an operator? 😜

[@extrashot]

Ah - hadn't considered that... are you a director? :)

[@LeeHerbet]

extrashot Worse, I’m an editor. 😉😜

[@extrashot]

Ahh... I'm sorry :)

[@Ken-vl4wk]

Gh5sHake

[@extrashot]

Ha! :)

[@bitsmagtv]

Is this Casey Neistat studio?

[@extrashot]

;)

[@luttekikker]

Green screen baby!