Why People Are Wrong About The GH5s - Reason for No IBIS

Today we chat about the Panasonic GH5s and why many people are wrong about this camera.
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[@dslrvideoshooter]

Just a heads up! This video is my opinion based on what info I could find. Don't take it as canon. See what I did there? ;-) But in all seriousness, I don't have a GH5s nor have I opened up the GH5s to see what is or is not in there.

[@navidmehdi6]

after you showed those 2 cicles i paused the video to get my head around why they done this, and then it came to me. its genius they can utilise all the lens light captured at different aspect ratios. THEY WERE LITERALLY THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX!!!

[@navidmehdi6]

i hope they add this in new smartphones. i know pros will use dslr but it would be nice to see it since smartphones have come a long way

[@firworks]

I like how half the replies on this are like "NO CALEB YOURE WRONG LOW LIGHT SENSITIVITY IS NOT FOR PROFESSIONAL FILM MAKERS BECAUSE THEY USE LIGHTING" and your video never mentions low light or DR once. It's all about the importance of the multi-aspect sensor and having complete control of choreographed movement of the sensor.

[@HristoKavalov]

DSLR Video Shooter We are not judges, just exchange information. Even GH4 can utilize same c4k resolution and aspect ratio (4096:2160). I just mention that if the statement is wrong, it is still early to make reedit and fix it. I follow your channel and like it. Don't think it isoffensive.

[@tanzhonghui]

Shooting the same resolution and aspect ratio does not mean the same sensor area is being used.

[@IamMediaUK]

“Control on a obsessive level” 👌🏽 Well said!

[@PrimalVideo]

Love it! Another great video 👍 Finally upgraded from the GH4 to the GH5 (not s)

[@frederickvan]

This was one of the most lucid and informed explanations of the differences (and target audiences) for these two cameras that I've seen so far. Bravo Caleb, excellent work.

[@Concise_Focus]

Great sensor breakdown. One thing you didn’t mention was the huge improvement in lowlight. The GH5s destroys the GH5 when it come to high iso performance. A huge benefit

[@RiseHigh]

Nothing more to say, excellent work on this video ! Just commenting because you really deserve it ! well done !

[@dslrvideoshooter]

Thank you Rise!

[@BrainDesmo]

What, Rise said.

[@bilawal]

Your videos have really stepped up the game. Great job, I'm picking up a GH5S.

[@TheFilmLook]

You're a bloody good teacher, Caleb! This makes so much sense now

[@GarydeeFilms]

Dude you are wicked smart and every time I search for something and see your face on the thumbnail I click. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Keep crushin.

[@datalaforge]

I'm visiting this again because I've sold my A7sii and I'm going back and forth between GH5 & GH5s. Wow, some of these comments are very personal. Great job as always, my guy!

[@dannywinget]

Great explanation Caleb! Looking forward to testing this camera.

[@dslrvideoshooter]

Thanks Danny!

[@TechLineHD]

Finally, GH5s coverage! Very well explained, Caleb. Thank you for your effort. Can't wait for another piece of GH5s content.

[@tomkent4656]

You didn't show it, but the standard 4:3 capture frame is bigger on the gh5s.

[@EastCoastReggaecom]

Thanks for breaking it down visually, this really ties together the changes they made and I look forward to your comparisons to come!

[@danieldauber8335]

Nicely explained! This is one of the few reviews considering and pointing out that not every user has the same needs. Well done 👍

[@JustSimplyBrandon]

Just subscribed to your channel because of this video! Finally, an actual in-depth explanation for the GH5s because I’m so sick and tired of the complaints (even though I don’t ever plan on getting the GH5s for myself). Like you said, they’re two completely different cameras optimized for specific situations.

[@HuntaDaKilla]

Great explanation. That more sensor coverage that you get with the GH5s is definitely worth it for serious videographers.

[@psycold]

This was a great explanation for someone like me who has a lot to learn and is interested in both models. It seems like the GH5s would be a good buy if you planned on having a professional gimbals or even steady-cam setup, but for people like myself who are just getting started, it's a good idea to buy the GH5 first and then possible add the GH5s later to the arsenal for more locked tripod shots and low light situations.

[@gcprost]

You are very right. The GH5s is not an upgrade, it is a different camera built for different priorities. Many, in fact, most people will be better served by the GH5. I'm impressed that Panasonic developed this camera for this unique set of needs.

[@GFFmatt]

Helpful! Thanks for taking the time to make this video!

[@indigoinarritu6096]

I have both cameras and I greatly appreciate your video. You explained the difference. between these two cameras better than any other video that I have seen on the subject. Kudos!

[@stephenwardfilmmaker2075]

Great explanation of the differences between the two cameras! Love the analog style too! There is still a place in this world for hand drawn diagrams! ✊️

[@JoshBayer]

This is the best example of ELI5 in the video space on KZbin. Thank youuuu

[@jacobrowsell]

Hello, thank you for the informative video. I'm wondering; would the GH5s produce a lot of micro shake if it were to be on a gimbal/slider? And would you need a top of the line slider to gather very smooth footage?

[@zachintyre]

Honestly, as a documentary filmmaker I’d rather have no IBIS and better slow mo/larger image/low light capability. Sure, IBIS is great. Although, even as a run n gun doc filmmaker I wouldn’t handhold the camera unless it was a spur of the moment “I need this shot now” incident. I would at the very least have a small handheld gimble or a shoulder mount with an IS lens mounted which would make up for no lens/camera dual stabilization. Even if I was in a “NOW” situation The IS on lens would make up for most of the shakiness. I find better low light capability more beneficial as a doc filmmaker than IBIS because I can easily stabilize with small portable tools whereas there is no easily portable tool to fix poor low light situations.

[@charliekey7224]

my thoughts exactly ... I use a shoulder rig

[@georges8408]

really now ? Ibis is not important for a run n gun filmaker ? did you really said that " a run and gun doc filmaker should have a small handheld gimble ..." ? My God... Do you really have any idea how much time you need to balance correct a handheld gimbal ? BY FAR no way to do this as a run n gun film maker. IBIS is one the most important thing in documentary filmaker on the streets or in a war zone or in a mountain... Imagine a documentary filmaker in the middle of nowhere, at night, or at rain, or at a demonstration or whatever to try to find his gimbal or his shoulder mount... For Gods shake... you really have no idea what you are talking about man.

[@swashy8933]

Wtf kind of docs are you making? I want to see them

[@rokah1391]

I do understand but as Run n gun filmaker , i do esport documentary and sport documentary and you do need to moove a lot you dont have time to put your camera all time long on tripod/gimbal + with gh5 i can make broll slow mo so easily of the location , me and my friend are looking for a new cam we were aiming at s1h (way too expensive) and might take gh5s , but really this stab issue is fucking annoying ,(for example i have a 6dmk2) the stabi si so horrible on this i use this cam only for photos . But gh5s stab doesnt seem that bad (at least better than canon) is just that the gh5 stab is the best on the market on the moment so...

[@TheRedCyberGlass]

Great, thank you very much for this explanation. I've recently opened my KZbin channel and I was struggling with the choice between these two cameras. I was directed towards the GH5s because of the better quality of the image but seriously worried about the lack of stabilization. With your explanation, I am now clear on what I need. Definitely, the GH5 is the right choice. Again, thank you!

[@FlyingJackalope]

Thank you Caleb. I agree about the gimbal usage and tripod usage because they fight with each other and create some weird scenarios. Having to remember to disable and enable it is also an issue i have experienced a lot. I always wondered what that rattling noise was too.

[@WindTreeStudios]

Great talk Caleb! You have succinctly explained the difference between these two cameras to a novice like me! Thank you for helping me make solid purchasing decisions!

[@ironcrossmedia2654]

That was a really superb explanation of the sensor and the differences. So good!!! Thanks a ton!

[@theSUBVERSIVE]

Plus, they complement each other greatly and using the same mount, which is great for setting up, workflow, accessories, etc.

[@mdturnerinoz]

Nothing like a calm and lucid explanation to clarify something such as this; nice job! While I will stay a Canon user because of all the L glass I have, I can use your video to help friends and family make decisions. Thanks!

[@Slayer1111111111able]

This was really eye opening! If you are looking to shoot drama, with lots of dramatic lighting, the GH5S makes sense. If you shoot handheld in broad daylight, it isnt.

[@Sandeeprightnow]

Recently I started encountering problems regarding smartphone camera that my new phones sensor is small and area coverage is not as free as my previous one. This helped me to picturise it.

[@BeCatholicNotBogusOrdo]

Man, thank you so much. This cleared up a big question on which camera to get.

[@JimWellsIsGreat]

Great explanation of the differences in layman's terms. Greatly appreciated.

[@WilliamGuth]

Thank you for correctly recalibrating my understanding of the differences between these 2 cameras, and about sensors in general.

[@SpencerCantley]

Ive seen several videos on youtube comparing these two cameras, and to be honest, none of them have helped me decide which I should buy. But your video was really informative, and I think for my needs the GH5 will suit me just fine. Thanks!

[@DesFit]

Would love to also hear your opinion about the G9 as they are marketing it to photogs but with the video formats that it provides, I think this would be a great in between camera from the GH5 and the G85. Very much considering it!

[@JamesJacksonFilmz]

DesFit its kinda of a step down compared to the 5 and 5s. As the record limit is 30 minutes and no 10 bit color.

[@DesFit]

James Jackson thanks, I just super geeked out in the specs and ya, I’m getting a GH5. Thanks!

[@ASmith-hb4ed]

Yes, many Panasonic representatives have stated that the G9 is more geared for still photos. You can find them saying it on youtube videos.

[@mattyskier]

Great video Caleb! I was surprised by everyone's instant dismissal of the GH5s when the features were officially announced. I just ignored them because the features are perfect for me. I can't wait to see your content once the camera is released.

[@bajaculturista1210]

Awesome, thanks for that clarification. I will still wait for hands on reviews to see exactly how much better the low light sensitivity is before considering to buy the "s".

[@highlander200107]

Thank you for making that a bit more clear on the differences, that really helps.

[@sentirflamenco]

I'm still shooting on Canon 5dii 😎 now i have to buy a new cam since i shoot only lowlight concerts. could you suggest panasonic 5ghs for lowlight stuff?

[@sumizoon]

Thank you for commenting easy explanation. I also got GH5S immediately, and I am amazed at its image quality.

[@ArberBaqaj]

We actually had this discussion in the Facebook Gh5 group today, thanx a bunch! Great video

[@ASMRJapan]

Thank you!!! Very helpful!

[@cristianbalate]

Great review, thanks! I believe you could talk a bit about the resolution of the sensor as well, as the impact on the image quality.

[@ravenscaresAL]

Simple, and straightforward explanation, wonderful work. Thanks for that! Indeed, these are two different cameras made for different purposes. My guess, most complainers didn't see that difference, and thought the GH5s was no more than an upgrade to the GH5... which is wrong. It's a different version. Although I might digress, I am quite glad Blackmagic Design is taking (as rumored) the GH5s sensor over the on in the GH5, for their soon-to-come camera. Want stabilization? Use a lens that has it, get a gimbal, use tripod tricks, or have steady hands. No secret around it!

[@trevorpinnocky]

I intuitively knew all of this but your explanation really helped cement a lot of things.

[@KutWrite]

Well done, Caleb. I love the intro music, too. Seems like the "wider sensor" concept is a great reason to get an APS-c size sensor. It's already closer to 16:9 w/o taking away IBIS. Do you list your cage somewhere? It looks like a good one.

[@smalltalk.productions9977]

thoughtful, visual, straightforward-that is why i subscribe. thank you for the effort & the sharing. as always-BIG thumbs up.

[@DARKLYLIT]

Great explanation Caleb! Thanks a lot. I expect you will talk about the lower Megapixel count on the GH5s (with larger Megapixels for low light) in your upcoming review?

[@evshsh1]

Great Video... like all of your videos you keep the content objective, factual and to the point.

[@rhubarbfilms]

Excellent work Caleb. I'm sold. I can see this camera being the right camera for so many situations, small spaces, stunt work, car work all of which will mostly on a camera mount and not needing IBIS. No camera is perfect for every job. And let us not forget with no IBIS the battery is probably going to last a shade longer.

[@IslandFilmMaker]

It's about time! Well demonstrated, well explained, WELL DONE!! Thx Caleb :)

[@EugeneMaynard]

I totally agree! Nice visual description of the sizing benefits of the new sensor!👍🏾

[@davidunoi7099]

Caleb. Let me just say. WELL DONE SIR! I never really understood what the noise was regarding the stabilized vs non stabilized debate. I like you shared the same sentiment that his is just another iteration of the GH5. Different flavors of the same Model. But your explanation of the sensors complete with illustrations was on another level. Always enjoy th equality work from you sir.

[@WyattCagle]

Right on the money. The IBIS was a big unknown and that kept my production company from using the GH5. Super excited to see the GH5s next to my Varicam LT. Thanks Caleb really enjoy the content.

[@EdRobles1]

Outstanding way to inform your audience. True value in subscription. Thank you.

[@theweeklyonline]

Thank you for posting a really informative review/comparison. I have not upgraded from my GH-4s to GH-5s yet and now I am glad I did not. Having invested many dollars in camera support shoulder rigs, gimbals, tripods, monopods, cages, sliders, jibs, drones, and cranes I am in the category of wanting better use of a larger sensor than ibis. The GH-5S seems like it is targeted for a user like me that will rent the EVA1 as the A camera on our bigger dollar feature length projects and utilize the GH-5S as the second unit camera and our everyday work horse for local commercials and short subjects. I am interested in how the GH-5S will function in 4:3 for anamorphic video acquisition. Dual ISO offers better bang for the buck for our workflow than ibis. We do not vlog or do much run and gun ENG style shooting.Our style is cinema like and it looks like the GH-5S will give better rewards to that style of work so it has now switched into our cart for needed tools instead of just wanted.

[@shaneyb_80]

Interesting video, I'm currently looking at an alternative to my Nikon FF DSLR and thinking of going to the GH5 / G9 mirrorless options. Do you have any recommendations for reviewing the G9 vs the GH5? I'm aware the GH5 is more video and G9 is photo but from the right up it seems the G9 is good at video as well. Also is the low light performance for the GH5 a serious issue for people wanting to do wedding videography? And do you think the G9 would be a good wedding photography camera?

[@curtisjudd]

Nice insight Caleb!

[@LeeZavitz]

Awesome explanation dude!

[@Ahmerq]

Great explanation Caleb! Cleared out a lot of confusion in my head regarding the new camera and peoples complaints :)

[@Josho4]

Been waiting to get your thoughts. Many thanks, Caleb!!

[@jamesparish7234]

Caleb...Love the tech you provide in Cameras....Very good explanation!!

[@lkfxfotografiavideo177]

Really admire you and your work, lots of Non qualified people talking about GH5s camera (non filmmakers, people that won't use micro four thirds, etc) nobody better than a Panasonic expert and deep user like you to explain this in the proper way 👏👏✋✋👌💪💪

[@AmosKatz]

Thanks for a thoughtful comparison of these two cameras - really useful!

[@M_freedomOfSpeech]

Hi thanks for this videos, Question: are you going to compare the GH5s vs S1 any time soon? thanks again!

[@NathanYounghusband]

New light looks good :) Looking forward to hearing more about it!

[@ScottGerke]

I bought the S because I do a lot of low light shots, but I also primarily run and gun, amateur video stuff. What can I do to help with stabilizing? My camera doesn't ever leave it's Gorillapod. Lens suggestion? Maybe there will be an upgrade to help?

[@storieswithaly1247]

Thanks for this very helpful clarification. Two questions. As i have and use an olympus em1 mk ii and its various lenses will these lenses work well for the gh5s? And as i was thinking of real estate videos (combined with drone footage) using a moza aircross gimbal but also possibly producing my own mini film i assume the gh5s would be perfect (and better than the olympus?).

[@hylandnature]

Excellent way to show these differences visually!

[@iamjacobmartin]

I love your channel and reviews and respect your opinion. Which leads to my question. I use the a6300 and a6500. I use a gimbal with both. I have loved using them. Aside from ergonomics and headphone jacks, which is your preference to use for image quality and overall look. The GH5 or 6500?

[@emirhorozovic595]

I enjoy your videos Caleb-very informative. Are you planning to do a video (or video tutorial) for the new Sony a7r3? I like what you did with a6500 tutorial/manual and I was hoping if you are planning to release one for a7r3. Thank you for your work.

[@ThickFreedom]

Why not both? Sony does it with full frame.

[@Team_Wynter]

Really informative video, definitely changed my opinion of the S over the GH5

[@AirsoftKeksTV]

I was really close to just buy a GH5 and glue that damn sensor in place after the shaking destroyed my footage (by using a steadycam and running). IBIS even started to destroy scenes by tracking an object that I filmed. I was super glad after I saw the GH5S announcement, a camera in 2018 without sensor stabilization was a wet dream that I thought would stay fiction forever.

[@EmileModesitt]

Great video. I still wish the GH5S had some sort of sensor stabilization, because if I’m making a film where I need so much control over camera movement that I can’t use a camera with IBIS, I’m going to be using a cinema camera, not a GH5S. I think 99% of the people using GH-series cameras are not at the level of filmmaking that would ever make IBIS a disadvantage. Also, I believe the GH5S was supposed to be at least in part a response to the A7S, and I’ve never heard anyone complain about the fact that the A7SII has IBIS. IMO Panasonic did not want to spend the money to develop IBIS for the GH5S and/or wanted to give people a reason to still buy the GH5 (since almost no one would buy a GH5 over a GH5S if it had IBIS) and has found a way to spin it into a positive thing by saying the GH5S is basically made for “real filmmakers,” which is a genius bit of marketing and something companies do all the time. But I don’t see any “real filmmakers” saying they’re going to switch from the A7SII to the GH5S because “Oh thank god it doesn’t have IBIS.”

[@JamesJacksonFilmz]

Emile Modesitt no but they cpuld switch for the better ergonomics, battery life dual recording cards amd better audio features now with low light that can go toe to toe with it.

[@EmileModesitt]

True! But most if not all those features will be available on the A7SIII to be announced soon (comparable battery life, body of the A9/A7RIII, dual card slots). Not sure what you mean about audio features as they both have the hot-shoe XLR adapters.

[@JamesJacksonFilmz]

First we don't know what will come with the A7SIII. but based on the A9 and A7RIII the menu system will still be subpar to GH5 series, the dual cards are not the same speed (one is SDXC II the other is SDXC I which is not usable for 4K let alone 4K 60p). It will most likely have better autofocus and still be the king of low light, however I am almost certain it won't come with 10 bit color or remove the 30 minute record limit. Again just speculation, on my part as well as yours, as nothing definitive about the A7S3 has been released. Regarding audio, The GH5s can now do line level audio as well can do timecode syncing through the flash port, which can be key features for both broadcast as well as production shoots.

[@EmileModesitt]

Agreed. I still believe the GH5S should have had IBIS to truly compete with the A7SII and A7SIII, however. I think a lot of if not most filmmakers (the ones using A7SIIs right now and the ones Panasonic are trying to get with the GH5S, not live-event videographers or TV productions) will choose better low light, better autofocus (possibly), larger dynamic range, IBIS and the "full frame look" over features like unlimited recording and timecode sync. That's an opinion of course. Btw, Sonys can accept line level input with the XLR audio adapter (XLR-K2M).

[@JamesJacksonFilmz]

We will have to see. I just think what the GH5s is bringing, it will severely close the gap in many of these features (outside of autofocus and ibis). From what I have heard the GH5s is suppose to have 14 stops of DR, and based on the footage you can go up to 20,000 ISO with relatively clean noise. Sony may still be better but if the difference at 20,000 are negligible, then that's enough for most user as there's only very rare occasions where one would have to go above 20,000. Either way it's a great time for filmmakers with so many options.

[@ryanbiscobarnes]

Love the simple drawn out explanation.

[@DewPointMedia]

Great explanation! Like others have said, they are complementary cameras to each other. I could see having one of each body in my bag for different scenarios.

[@MarkusPalmHD]

Excellent video as always! I'm considering upgrading to a Panasonic GH5s or possibly the slightly cheaper G9. How is the AF compared to cameras from Sony and Canon? I was thinking about the A6500 as well (cheaper) but it doesn't have 2160p 60p at 400 Mbps...

[@lkfxfotografiavideo177]

Love your new lighting, would like to see a breakdown of it 👏👏💪💪

[@Flixoto]

Great job Caleb! You always make good stuff bro! Never stop! And thanks ;)

[@tptrsn]

Fantastic explanation, thank you so much! How close is the "video use" sensor size of the GH5s compared to the a6500? For all I know there is something about the crop/DX sensor size in the a6500 that means it's not using exactly the sensor size I would expect it to be either then..

[@brynjohnson423]

Hi Caleb: I love your videos because you are a great teacher! I shoot Canon and Panasonic. I use each of my cameras in different ways. There is no perfect camera. I look at what I'm shooting and choose the camera that works best for that situation.(I'm not rich, but I know how to save to get a camera. Hee, hee)Sometimes I use multiple cameras for the same shoot. For example one for close ups and one for wide shot. It doesn't bother me at all that there is no ibis as you learn how to shoot with a camera without it and it can look fantastic. It's all about figuring out the science. I'm a music teacher who plays 8 different instruments. Let me tell you though, each instrument may have similarities, they all have differences and after much practice you learn the science of each and you end up with awesome creative results. Keep up the good work! 😀

[@David2222]

So well explained...and much appreciated. What I would like to see is how you would explain the Anamorphic Mode 4x3 sensor...?

[@user-fi8pi3eo5s]

Great demo, loved that! Thanks man, made so many things clear for me

[@MichaelWTurner]

Great video. Really appreciate the visuals. Very helpful. Thank you.

[@digitalcyclopsvideoproduct867]

Plus for Nato Top Handle! I have one too, and they're SOOOO AWESOME for quick teardown of a rig.

[@samphotoyt]

Best explanation I've ever seen. I had made up my mind I didn't need a GH5s but now, I'm sure my company does. Thank you.

[@BK42Cycles]

Excellent explanation... you put a great work here !

[@TBDIDDY]

Great video. Very informative. I think this will clear a lot of misconceptions up.

[@ImranAzads]

Easy tutorial and simple tricks to help me understand whether to go for GH5/GH5s. GH5 it is!!

[@T60productions]

Wshoo! Thanks for that explanation. I just recently bought a GH5, then a few weeks later the S came out. I was sort of kicking myself, but after seeing your video I now know the standard GH5 is best for me. NICE! Thanks again! --Tony Gnau

[@jmadara]

That was the best explanation of the difference between the GH5 flavors I’ve seen!

[@robertsimon5059]

Crystal clear, perfect, couldn't be clearer. Bravo !

[@jaffarbh]

The concept is simple yet it caused big confusion. I think because many videographers nowadays tend to learn by craft and don't bother to understand technologies underpinning all the awesome features

[@AndreiLucaa]

7:43 mic drop! love the craft of this video dude

[@Design475]

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the g9. Better autofocus for video than the g85 or the gh5. best youtube/vlogg camera?? Could be!

[@avarmadillo]

So, Caleb, I need to ask you about your GH5/s tutorial. I'm working through it and got to the Custom buttons and menus 1.3. In the part where you talked about the Operation Lock Setting you talked about programming a button to lock the selected feature, but you did not show it. I went into the FN section, picked a button to program, but when I scrolled through the list I couldn't find "Operation Lock" anywhere. I'd really like to have this working, because I absolutely HATE where the disp. button is located, and it is a constant source of unneeded distraction. Can you tell me where I'm going wrong?!?