FX9 vs FX6 - Why would you downgrade?

Sony have produced some great cameras recently, almost too many!
However, their marketing has left a lot of professionals feeling a little neglected, especially when upgrades disappear. For some, it feels like downgrading is a better option!
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[@ColGadarby]

Marry the glass and date the camera.

[@extrashot]

How true... at least my lenses still work!

[@emilianoranzani6049]

4:24 As long as you're sticking a matte-box in front of it, the average client will think you're making "CINEMA!" regardless of the camera body behind it.

[@unclejezza]

this is funny and so true

[@PrainhaFilmes]

Please, don't stop. Amazing channel ❤

[@2roadfilms]

You're spot on.The Burano looks promising, but as a current FX9 owner and previous F5 owner, I'm not going to fall for the Sony trap a third time. I think it was 4 months after I bought the F5 that they released the FS7, and six months after buying the FX9 that they released the FX6.

[@extrashot]

I think we followed the same purchasing pattern. As soon as I did that 4K hack for the F5, they announced the FS7 !!!

[@robinprobyn1971]

@@extrashot Your hack and their having to come out with the $1000 4K key saved the f5 for sure . But then the f5 was a much better camera than the fs7 , never liked it TBH , f5 ,with the 4k (thanks!) was way better than the fs7.

[@marinrealestatephotography]

Thanks for the video. Please keep posting more (if you can find the time). Doesn't even have to be "gear related." Just tell a funny store about when you were on set or something. We all just like hearing from you.

[@extrashot]

Oh, that's kind of you to say so... I am trying to post more regularly now. Unfortunately, life keeps getting in the way! Thanks for the comments. 👍

[@andytaplin1312]

Love the pace of your thoughtful content - and no jump cuts either! I’ve always had ‘proper’ cameras going back to tube Betacam days. I sold my FS7 MK11 for the A7S MK111 and A74 and I could not be happier. Don’t need timecode, use the XLR adaptor when necessary and a good VND does the job too. I find the ergonomics of a mirrorless camera superior to a large shoulder camera once you have it rigged to taste. The size and weight advantages for a mostly solo shooter mean being faster and more creative - better output which is what it’s all about I think. No client has ever questioned my little cameras. I think those days are over.

[@extrashot]

I've also used the A7S3 with an A74, and it's a great combination. Clients are learning... which is good!

[@clintonhaby]

FX9 owner here. I love the dual base ISO of 800 and 4,000 on my FX9s. Shooting at 4,000 with fast glass means I'm never struggling to expose anything I'm filming. I know the FX6 cleans up better at 12,800, but it couldn't possibly be cleaner at the more functional 4,000, yes? I shoot a lot of B-Roll in 5K scan 60p on the FX9s. The assorted sensor scans while still delivering 4K is an underrated feature of the FX9s. When I've got them on tripods, have lighting and audio built out around me, and I need to switch up framing a bit, it's so nice to be able to go from 6k to 5k or S35 scans without switching lenses or moving everything around. Feeling abused and neglected is a part time hobby of camera owners, I think. Why doesn't this camera manufacturer love me and my investments anymore? haha Our only reasonable course of action is to put our cameras to work immediately. Neglect doesn't hurt so bad if the camera as is has made us a good deal of money. I love your videos, by the way. Always thoughtful and funny.

[@extrashot]

The cropping on the FX9 is what I miss the most. S35 with 1080 on the FX6 is very noisy by comparison.

[@marcoaslan]

Moral of the story: Don't buy the Burano

[@ianjmfilms]

I use 2 A7s iii’s on projects. When I pull out one to set on tripod no big deal, but when I pull out the other all rigged up wi Dtap, monitor, and matte box. They’re like wow looks expensive.😂

[@extrashot]

How true... it definitely helps to dress them up!

[@MarioCastillion]

You are definitely the David Attenborough of cameras and camera gear. This video made me a subscriber.

[@yawningmarmot]

Love your well-paced narration! Have you done any radio work? You could be easily voicing audio books!

[@extrashot]

Thank you, very kind... but no, strictly cameras so far.

[@leochow6477]

Wow your narrative is great and love the insight you gave.🎉

[@andreasmolland2155]

The timing here is mad. I just got my own FX6 down the basement ready to unbox and sling all the supportkit on. Just polished the FX9 so it can go up for sale. Seems like alot of 9 owners making this move recently. Well produced and informative as ever 😊 Please make more when you find the will and time

[@extrashot]

Great minds! You won't regret the swap... I really enjoy shooting with the lighter smaller FX6!

[@ninotamburri]

I love my FX9. To say it's a workhorse is an understatement. Image quality is negligible between the three cameras but the ergonomics and usability of a full sized camera like the FX9 is very important for me. It also integrates nicely into the lives of Grips, AC's and Sound people making shoots just that bit smoother.

[@extrashot]

That's good to hear... I still think it was a game changing concept for full frame (especially that Variable ND) and I still love it. Part of my problem is the amount of work I now get without Grips, Assistants or even sometimes sound. It's been increasing over the last few years. 🙁

[@ninotamburri]

I feel you. A few years ago I would have refused a job without a sound recordist, alas times and budgets change, and as they say, adapt or die, anyways, its invaluable to grab a shoulder camera like the fx9, put it on your shoulder and go! no extra rigs, baseplates or viewfinders@@extrashot

[@sa.t.2507]

I went from FS7 to FX9 last year. Now, 1 year later I would say that I could have kept my FS7. While FX9 has amazing autofocus, and the image is gorgeous, it has so many flaws like: - No full frame 60p S&Q mode. - When you change crop modes the camera forgets what framerate you had in S&Q mode (this suck so hard) - FX9 is bigger, heavier, and bulkier. - FX9 eats 50% more power than FS7. - No autofocus in slow motion (S&Q mode). This is a big flaw! So I got myself a full frame camera that I rarely use in FF because of no quick slow motion option.

[@craigw.scribner6490]

Thanks! Always a pleasure to watch your videos!

[@extrashot]

Thank you.

[@Cimpher]

That’s for this video. I’m a long time Fs7mkii owner and have to upgrade so ive been going back and forth between this in my head a lot.

[@jazzstream]

wait till next autumn when a global shutter mk2 with lower noise and higher dr is announced, the sony technicians will use the first one as the test bed as usual while they iron out the new sensor into what it should have been.

[@extrashot]

It never ends... have you seen the film "The Man in the White Suit" ?

[@jazzstream]

@@extrashot Alex Guinness ? yes but i can't remember what it's about, I'll have to research it.

[@extrashot]

@@jazzstream It's the reason nobody wants to make the perfect camera!

[@michaelsanders2091]

Firstly I’m flattered you included my comments! As to the Burano, it😂 has near global shutter .. no it’s not true global shutter but it’s very good. Personally I’ve kept my FX9 and also have an FX6. Personally I still prefer it a lot of the time over the six. Using the 6 on doc as self shooter especially for run and gun for me was quite challenging, especially audio. And I still prefer the option of S35 shooting 4K as there’s some awesome S35 Glass out there. Not sold on the Burano yet, to many unknowns at the moment.

[@waveland]

Had Sony included an open gate feature in the Burano, I would have preordered, but from what I heard out of the announcement interviews, it is strictly a horizontal design. Open gate has become for me a minimum standard for future camera purchases now that I’ve gotten used to the framing flexibility. You never know now when a client will ask for a “vertical”, and pulling that aspect ratio out of a 3:2 allows for a better composed 9:16 crop. By that measure, I’m curious to see what Sony does with the FX9/6. Day to day global shutter matters less to me than having the extra sensor real estate to work with whether shooting spherical or anamorphic.

[@extrashot]

Good point... an open gate 8K would give tons of flexibility.

[@waveland]

@@extrashot Other than open gate, the Burano seems to me a powerhouse for solo operators who know how to take advantage of 16-bit color, with the added bonus of using standard media rather than crazy expensive custom cards. I do not doubt I will rent one from time to time for the right projects, but any camera I purchase for my own kit will offer open gate recording as an option.

[@girafingo9280]

If you don’t want to get burned just buy an Alexa 35 - will be fine for 10 years!

[@ResizeFilms]

I’m actually awaiting that Sony launches the next generation FX6. I’d like to buy it right now but it’s too risky as it already has been in the market for some time now. I guess it won’t take long at the pace Sony launches new cameras.

[@ardentvibe6917]

As a wedding filmmaker, and photographer, I currently shoot with the Komodo X, FX3 & A1. That A9 III would be the perfect fourth camera to my set up. A1 & A9 III for wedding photos, and all four for wedding cinema’. A1 is amazing for filming in 8K, and cropping/recomposing in post, while the FX3 becomes the main camera in the low light reception, and the Komodo X is the main camera for everything else. The A9 III would be the perfect 4th camera during the ceremony, and main reception events.

[@extrashot]

Are you thinking of adding the A9iii for stills or video? Can't wait to see the video quality.

[@ardentvibe6917]

@@extrashot, both! It’ll keep up with the top of the line A1 for photos, and the 8K video that comes out with it, and the image quality of the Komodo X.

[@ardentvibe6917]

Just shot a wedding today as a solo filmmaker across the three cameras, and it rounded out to just over 1TB of raw footage. 😬

[@oospagheti]

man, really thinking like this with my A1, the idea of changing it for an used FX30 or even an old FS7 with a killer fujinon lens is in my mind more than 3x a day

[@extrashot]

You don't mean sell the A1? That looks to be the best quality in this video sector at the moment!

[@pchuck1439]

Just stumbled upon your channel. The Burano would fit well for the variety of projects I do from corp/commercial to independent film. But the price is steep. So I adapted a wait & see approach here in my market. If it takes off, I'll do it. BUT I'm not opposed to buying a used FS7 on Ebay for corp/Commercial work and a Blackmagic Pyxis for Indie films. Heck, the FS7 still works on jobs and I'll save a tone of money!

[@extrashot]

Ahh, the thinking mans choice! Obviously it depends on what clients you've got, but I totally agree with you. The FS7 is still a 4K version of the F5, and it's going for a song right now. I love the Blackmagic look if you're wanting a more cinematic feel, so it would be a really cost effective combo. If only Blackmagic could support 'E' Mount. !!! I have a feeling that if Sony had called the Burano the FX9ii (and knocked 10k off the price) we wouldn't be having these conversations. It would be flying off the shelves! Take care.

[@LDUB250]

Your original video on the FX9 got me pretty hyped for that camera. Working full time for a broadcaster and doing an additional 4-5 projects a year I wanted to have a professional camera with this internal ND, autofocus and raw capabilities. As I was saving Sony dropped the FX6 it looked to be better every way outside of the eyepiece and interlaced. I was one of the lucky few here that got the FX6, the camera has been all over Canada, the little thing is a beast. Your video on creating an S-Cine profile on A73 helped me with a matching B-cam until I was able to add an A74 to my gear list.

[@extrashot]

Glad I was able to help... good move waiting for the FX6. (You know you can get interlaced out of the back by shooting 50/60P while outputting PsF?)

[@MattSpaugh]

I shoot many small jobs with a pair of A7IV bodies. Same logic on color quality seems to apply: 6k image downsampled to 4k. While there are certainly limitations of the camera, the trade-offs are worth it for my client base, workflow, etc. I'm holding out for an A7SIV, and even have the money already set aside for when/if it becomes reality. Glad to see you posting again - I missed you.

[@extrashot]

Thanks for the kind words... and yes, I'm also waiting for an A7SIV. The A7IV is seriously good though... if you have the light, I think I prefer it to the A&Siii

[@MattSpaugh]

@@extrashot I replaced a pair of A7III bodies with the IV bodies. I do a lot of headshot photography and felt like I needed good hybrid camera bodies. I'm feeling the limitations of my choice - but the family is still eating three meals a day so y'know...

[@Filmmaker809]

Missed your videos mate. We've spoken a few times. Glad you are back. :)

[@extrashot]

Thank you... kind of you to say so and hope you're well!

[@98JamesNixon]

For me the FX6, C70 and c300mk3 etc are all the perfect size for what I do. Especially when I have to take a train to London my back thanks me haha

[@extrashot]

My back was a major factor too! 👍

[@twesttv]

I have them both and where I see the difference is in the timeline. I'm currently shooting a doc with the 9 and 6 and side by side there is no question the 9 has better color and just has a richer look. I use the 9 for sit down interviews and on my shoulder and the 6 on a gimbal or HH up close in tight spots. I think Sony wants you to do what I did. Buy more than one of their cameras : )

[@extrashot]

So true... I'm sure Sony want all of us to have a few of their cameras - and they've been successful in many ways!

[@twesttv]

@@extrashot The reality is, you almost HAVE to have two cameras these days. Takes too long on a shoot to strip the 6 down for the gimbal and then go back. It has to be ready to go for that and then jump back to the 9 for interviews and b-roll and then back to the 6😓

[@matw6364]

Hi. Thanks for Your thoughts! So interesting to see this as I just sold my FX9. I still own two FX6 and I was hesitating to do that step for a long time as there are certainly some advantages of the FX9 over the Fx6 that I did not want to miss. Mostly all already mentioned in the comments and in your video. But some of the shortcomings of the FX9 over the Fx6 always annoyed me. Mostly no proper 50p without cropping to 5K scan mode. I was afraid that I would miss the second base of 4000 a lot, As I was often switching between the two base ISO to achieve my desired F stop. And I have to admit that daily work, I do miss this feature when delivering log footage, as fx6 12800 is of course noisier than fx9 at 4000 iso. But there’s one great thing with the Fx6 that I was not aware of When burning in LUTs, the method that I use a lot, the new flexible EI mode of the FX 6 is so great. Once the noise of the low base becomes worse than the noise of the high base, it automatically switches to the high base. Then you are able to shoot in the range between. 3200 and 12800 iso while burning in the LUT And the noise will be pushed down into the black, at least in the lower values. I know that the dynamic range shifts as well in most scenarios. This doesn’t matter too much as I would most probably not use this method in bright daylight. I am very curious what the future will bring regarding Sony‘s camera models, But at the moment the Fx6 is the better choice over the FX9 to me. Greez tp all the colleagues out there - happy shooting. Matthias

[@extrashot]

Hi Matthias, I totally agree with what you say about the base ISO's. Hi base on the FX6 is quite noisy compared to hi base on the FX9. I'll only use it with s-log in an emergency! Not so bad in custom mode because the noise is disguised in the blacks! Happy shooting to you too... take care.

[@zouyicen]

love your video!!

[@armandoriviere8997]

We did the same thing. I started with the FX9. Was fortunate enough to get one before the actual release date because the company I worked for had a contact at Sony. After leaving the company I bought my own, since I knew it inside and out. Within months they announced the FX6 and I ended up selling the 9. I’ve since shot on quite a few productions literally side by side with the 6 and 9. You can’t tell which camera is which, and I’d argue that the tweaks made to S-cinetone on the FX6 gives it more pleasing skin tones than the 9. Ergonomically the 9 is better when rigging it with large lenses like the Canon 17-120, but it’s very heavy and never balances well on the shoulder. The 6 is so much lighter and just way easier to travel with. I can build it up in a couple of minutes out of a case and it’s ready to shoot. It’s also way less power hungry, so a couple of large BPU batteries will last me all day.

[@extrashot]

My feelings exactly... the FX6 is just so easy! 👍

[@Bo_Hazem]

Yeah the A9 III sensor is rumored to be in the new FX9 II. Also CVP noticed that in Slog3 the 6,400 ISO gets cleaned out similar to the base ISO 2,000. Maybe it's the same case when Sony didn't say anything about A7SIII's dual base ISO then admitting it on FX6 and FX3.

[@extrashot]

That's interesting... FX9ii with GS would be a good move for all the F55 owners.

[@Bo_Hazem]

@@extrashot Makes sense price-wise as well. I think the FX6 II and FX3 II would share the sensor of the next A7Siv.

[@andreasbulowhansen9413]

But there is one thing that might make people stik with fx9 vs fx6: the ability to use s35 glass and still shoot 4k

[@extrashot]

That is the biggest minus... that clear image zoom thing just looks noisy to me. 👍

[@andreasbulowhansen9413]

@@extrashot ok that's interesting. So many good 6K FF cameras with decent S35 quality these days, personally own S5ii which does it very well

[@markfischerFPV]

Well said. I nearly plunked down my order for the Burano when it was announced. But as an FS7, a7s3 owner, I had essentially the same thought even before I knew about the global shutter of the A9 update. So I wait & see. Looking for that last / final camera to take me into retirement… will it be a Sony???

[@extrashot]

Me too... what camera will carry me through until the work stops!

[@MaraldBes]

I've worked with the FX9 a couple of times, but prefer the FX6 with better autofocus any day. Of course shoulder work is better done with the FX9, but that's rarely the case anymore. Rather have a decent gimbal or tripod. And for image quality, I don't think the A7IV is a bad choice either. Tat's currently my most used cam. With a good cage and XLR-K2 adapter I can you use it on many jobs. Handheld and gimbal work most of the time. It can also easily be a B-cam for FX6/9 as the quality holds up. I wonder if a FX6 MKII is on it's way with a better viewfinder, better AF and possibly a global shutter. But maybe that would be killing all the burano sales. Your video's remind me of the Phillip Bloom ones. Knowledgeable, relaxed and a sprinkle of British humor, I like, you've got another sub!

[@extrashot]

That's the issue for Sony... they have to work hard to protect those expensive Cine Alta cameras! (It's like a Sony version of the "Cripple Hammer")

[@jeffsaffron5647]

Sony has been in the video business as long as the business existed. They know what they are doing. Purposely hamstringing a brand new camera just so you can push new model year later is a very effective marketing strategy.

[@vicious12394]

Not really, it just makes me hate them even more. I am literally waiting for the day for panasonic to get back in to the high end cine camera game again then its adios Sony for good

[@spencers-adventures]

I think this was a really interesting video and very funny too! I will say that I see a lot of people hoping Sony will protect their higher end cinema line by not letting those features into the cheaper models....which sounds an awful lot like folks asking for the famed "Canon Cripple Hammer." Funny how the grass is always greener

[@extrashot]

Not sure what you'd call it? "Sony Cripple Hammer" doesn't work so well 🤣

[@MatthiasKappeler]

I preordered the Burano but am struggling with this exact fear... :/

[@extrashot]

It's a tough one... the specs are great.

[@f0t0b0y]

Yeah, I will continue to shoot with what I have and rent for larger budgets. Too many cameras every year. Sony is taking the iPhone approach of making a new camera every year.

[@extrashot]

I fear you may be right... but then the quicker apple update iPhone's, the less people feel the need to upgrade each year. I'm sure Sony have working it out to extract as much money as possible!

[@GreatCassian]

The A9 is short on dynamic range so this time the Burano buyers do not have to fear to buy an allready outdated camera. Maybe they have to fear the next fx9?! The FX9 sensor is based on the A7R sensor family. Sony "cine line division" thought they can maximize the dynamic range. But they failed. While the Alpha line division worked hard on the stacked sensor family and was able to lift the dynamic range to the other sensor families. Long story short: At the end the FX6 is in most cases the better camera. But Im sure, the original plan was to have a fast FX6 with lower DR and a slower FX9 with significant higher DR. Fun fact: The cine line division was closed shortly after this fail and merged with the Alpha division. Just the cine alta division is an more or less "independent" division now.

[@girafingo9280]

Planned obsolescence gone mad

[@extrashot]

I fear you're right... not good for owner operators trying to make a living.

[@yaj855]

Bonjour monsieur je voudrais savoir la Sony fx 6 elle bien ou pas??

[@frankfeng2701]

bien

[@derrickdd]

my constant dilemma, exactly

[@kingmuhu]

Ill wait for the fx6mark ii.

[@andythejourney.8286]

Think that will be the bridge between Burano and FX3.... Will be higher price but less than the FX9 as the FX3 is too close to the FX6.

[@seanmartinflix]

Certainly, makes you think. Why the Burano doesn't have global shutter?.... And something that bugs me about Sony is definitely their lack of updating firmware. Instead they just pump out more cameras. Still when I think About switching to another system "even putting money Aside". When weighing out the pros and cons I still land on Sony. there are some others that are getting closer though. Great video could have watched for longer.

[@SuperPhunThyme100]

Probably tough to squeeze 8.6K out of a global shutter. If the Burano did have an 8.6k global shutter, it would cost a good bit more than it does I'm afraid.

[@PhilHover]

If the sensor in the Burano is the same as V2, then the rolling shutter is only 3ms which is nothing. Global shutters are great until you see the DR penalty. FX9 with GS would be great for docs but Burano with sensor IS will be better.

[@extrashot]

Hi Phil, Is it the same sensor as the V2? I didn't realise but that makes sense. I know a lot of F55 owners are still waiting for another global shutter cam but have been tempted by the Burano. The F55 with GS was loved by many, even with the DR.

[@EastonOliver]

i suspect it’s the A1 sensor, since it has 8ms according to CVP. Still, pretty negligible in terms of real world use.

[@merlinfornoff5551]

Lets see what features the FX mk2 line will have 😁

[@extrashot]

I just wish they'd give us a little time to recover investment first!

[@TheRealHarrypm]

I think Sony shifting gears so quickly took the market by surpise and the userbase, when they jumped on 10-bit 4:2:2 and raw over HDMI, and now have stomped on the 1DX userbase or whats left of it with a global shutter body you can fit in a pocket, they have been hitting every segment of the market, burano also filled out the gap between the FX and Cine line. What I cant wait for is a 3CMOS global shutter offering like CCDs were in the early 2000s.

[@extrashot]

They certainly move quickly. Time was, a freelancer would buy a camera and hope to get 5+ years out of it (sometimes 10) !!!

[@nyambe]

I think their alpha and cinema divisions are separate teams. I also think that the alpha division is much more focus on slapping the competition in the face while the cinema alta's main objective is to bring prestige to the brand. Dont you feel that the A7siii, A1 and A9iii launches aimed to disrupt competitors current and future releases?

[@extrashot]

I agree... although, I thought they had merged the Cine Alta and Alfa divisions just before the A7Siii? Cine Alta must be getting really annoyed by how good the Alfa's have been getting! 😂

[@nyambe]

@@extrashot Cine Alta have the good life, new camera every 5 years instead of every 5 months. Cine Alta is just brand marketing to increase influence in the industry.

[@TFCInstitute]

so true@@extrashot

[@sergiusz.pictures]

Well a short interval of less than six months. I stay with my fs7 (I know I know but for me the super 35 is more like a film camera). I'd rather have lenses than a new body. Nevertheless I am still waiting for the fx60 - if you know what I mean.

[@extrashot]

You're not alone... FX60 would be a great upgrade for all those FS7's I still see working every day.

[@MylonasFilms]

Love your videos

[@extrashot]

Thank you.

[@mitchellneth]

I love the FX6, getting to manage three units every week. The biggest glaring thing that stands out to me is that 4K/UHD acquisition is only really possible in the camera when using Full Frame glass, which for me and my team's purposes, HD is never an option, almost always needing 4K or UHD deliverables. Unfortunately, we have a large inventory of S35/APS-C lenses that are basically unusable on the FX6 because the S35 capture mode on the cam is only HD. Clear Image zoom is a poor work around that doesn't scale enough and loses capture resolution. Having the 6K sensor of the FX9 in the body of the FX6 would make this the most versatile yet smallest form factor shooter in its class.

[@extrashot]

True... the lack of S35 in 4K is the biggest minus for me too.

[@SoundSpeeding]

I wish there was a "FX60" ( FX6 with a FX30 sensor inside is)

[@frankfeng2701]

@@SoundSpeeding The profit margin is a lot higher with full-frame cameras and lenses, which is applicable to other brands. I'm glad there is FX30, which is the cheapest super35 cinema camera with AF. Without needing AF, Blackmagic is much better value.

[@relaxwithme3266]

Totally, man. I said to heck with it and bought a cheap Blackmagic Full frame. I’ll use it for a few years and save $30K. When rigged up it looks big enough for clients who don’t know. Sony has just gone mad.

[@johnpaulporitz]

You're making an excellent argument to rent and not to owner/op. But we know that's just not possible for so many. So I don't know what the solution is. Maybe it's just to buy what you know you can pay off in 10-20 days of work/rental, and rent the rest? All I want is a Sony with A7 form factor with internal VND and timecode? Too much to ask?

[@extrashot]

Join the queue! Not sure they would make an alfa with variable ND? Funny, because that's what a lot of people want. 👍

[@johnpaulporitz]

In truth, I am camera brand agnostic. So I spoke with a Nikon rep in person during a black Friday sale at a local camera shop. I told him since you've removed the shutter from your latest cameras and have internal raw video, just make the final move and put in a VND. You'd own the market in a year or so. "Send that idea up the ladder" I told him, of course it won't happen. Things will improve when Sony faces some real competition. In the meantime…. Thanks for the video have a pleasant holiday and fully booked calendar of work.@@extrashot

[@optical-sound]

I did the same, had the FX9 for three months, sold it for the FX6 and never looked back

[@extrashot]

It just makes more sense... difficult to explain but I enjoy shooting with the FX6 much more... the size and format is liberating! Take care.

[@DeanHarringtonimages]

Sony alfa9-111 global shutter takes the cake for me. That $6,000 price tag just makes me think twice however!

[@CLIFFLIX]

But a global shutter isn't free. It's costs you dynamic range loss and higher noise levels than a rolling shutter sensor does. Give me a fast clocked rolling shutter of 10ms or less and I will be 100% happy. Let's see how the A9-III tests in DR and noise when it comes out in the spring. It's quite possibly not a good video sensor after it hits the labs.

[@extrashot]

I don't remember F55 owners moaning about DR or noise? In fact many still think it was one of Sony's greatest cameras! It's a lot of ex F55 owners who've been looking at the Burano as a replacement for their beloved global shutter.

[@robinprobyn1971]

@@extrashot But thats before dual ISO and its a much older sensor than the ones today , the lower ISO I found a pain when using them , compared the f5, when pretty much no one was shooting stuff that needed GS anyway .. I could be wrong but I believe you cant have dual ISO GS sensor , that would be a major step backwards .

[@SQUAWWW]

Was chatting with a Sony rep about the Burano at a Sony event. We soon started talking about the FX9 And if they had any plans on making a Mark 2. He responded "The Burano sure looks like a Mark II doesn't it". Obviously take this information with a grain of salt. But yeah...

[@SuperPhunThyme100]

Damn, I hope this doesn't mean they are going to abandon the 10k-15k market....But they very well may.

[@SQUAWWW]

@@SuperPhunThyme100yeah, mixed bag of opinions on that one. I originally plan to be an early adopter but ended up taking a wait and see approach with the Burano.

[@SuperPhunThyme100]

​@SQUAWWW Well I'm really hoping there is a FX9 replacement. Would be a shame if the Burano was it, because I think that if it is, it's overpriced. I wouldn't mind seeing a 6K version of the Burano sans XOCN, priced at around $16K, kind of like the F5 was to the $25K F55....but who knows.

[@lynsmith1096]

Good video

[@extrashot]

Thank you!

[@billmakesmovies]

I was hesitant to buy my FX3 and FX6 in fall of 2022 thinking that they were two and three years old and that wasn’t good because surely the mark II of each was just around the corner! Turns out they’re more than enough camera for me. My research now has me thinking it’ll be a few more years until we see a mark II of these cameras. Apart from FX6 lacking a 3.5mm mic input like the FX3 to take advantage of the 3/4 audio tracks, there’s really nothing wrong with it. Well, it could use a new, smaller PZ lens than the ancient 28-135… maybe we see a 24-105 PZ this year to compete with canon. I’m also finding myself wanting camcorder again these days. Now I’m eying the XF605, as it has the sauce, but hesitant because surely Sony must update the Z90/190/280 camcorders lineup to 4K 10 Bit soon, yeah? Maybe? Decisions decisions….

[@extrashot]

Hi bill, funny you should mention camcorders... I've been having the same itch recently!

[@billmakesmovies]

@@extrashot kinda weird isn’t it? Having a great camera like the FX6 at hand, but sometimes wanting to pickup and shoot with a “lesser” all in one camcorder system. I do I miss the simplicity of the Panasonic DVX100B and then Canon XF100 that helped me through so many years. Maybe it’s just nostalgia. Are there any in particular have your eye?

[@i20010]

Its always been like this with Sony. They dont care about the past, only upgrades.

[@NavStark]

RAWR output

[@Oceansta]

😆😆😆

[@chrisw443]

I dont care at all about full frame, i have a b4 lens, and the 18-110 pz is a far better lens than the older full frame 20-135. So I need center crop and a super 35 mode. only the fs7 and fx9 and fx30 can do that.

[@GreatCassian]

It's ok but I guess you are a minority in 2024.

[@andythejourney.8286]

I also love the idea of super35 or even super16 as I also use B4 lenses. Sports shooting just isn't the same with cine lenses.. @@GreatCassian

[@frankfeng2701]

Agree with super35 practicality, but I wouldn't spend $10K on the FX9 just for that. I'd much rather pick up a good used FS7 or FX30 for 1/5 of the price.

[@jeffsaffron5647]

It has been true since FX6 came out... FX9 just needs an upgrade.

[@robinprobyn1971]

How have you rigged it up for shoulder work sir ? thats one of the main things that worried me about the fx6 size. Im not ever going to be one of those people shooting off a monitor holding the camera out in front of me , or up peoples noses from waist height . I think the ability to crop in 1.5x when shooting and stay in 4k is probably the main reason for me , to stay with the fx9 , locking mount and weight for hand held shoulder . But yeah give us a fx9 2 with IBIS and VND , and the improved AF of the fx6 , lower power draw , and I'd buy one straight away , well after raiding the wife's trust fund account ..

[@extrashot]

I've tried a few options and have the bright tangerine shoulder pad... however, I've come to the conclusion that to balance the FX6 with big lenses, you need a couple of large V-Locks on the back. It sort of defeats the point of having such a small camera. I now prefer using a Peak Design shoulder strap to support what is a very front heavy rig. It goes across my opposite shoulder and takes the weight off my arms. Keep things simple is my new approach. Biggest problem is my age!!! 🤣

[@robinprobyn1971]

@@extrashot haha yes I know what you mean . After lugging my CN7 around the globe for 6 years ,I have totally embraced the stills lens world , even the 28-135 , which I initially considered small and light weight, is now by far my heaviest lens . Love the few times Ive just had to pack the fx3 for a shoot , but then hand held / with gimbal it gets heavy quickly , and then I wish I had the fx9 on my shoulder with a loupe ! cant win . Maybe foolishly, Im waiting for the fx9 II ,as my last camera as I pan and tilt off this mortal coil ,which Im hoping has all the good stuff from the fx6 added on .

[@gianfrancoprimerano7073]

I have FX9. The problem compared to FX6 is the low HD quality caused by the 6K sensor with 20 million pixels. FX6 with 12 million pixels is much better (in HD). Sin!

[@AABB-px8lc]

TLDR: FX9/A7M3 sensor just suck for video (obviously, it is same technology, but FX9 use stack to faster readout and maybe better selected) vs new gen sensor since A7S3. Too much noise, slightly covered by hidden NR build in sensor. As as "poor man" A73 owner (not S!) just for hobby, I feel so satisfited by this video. You know, as soon as you bite the bullet, accumulate money, finaly have access to "premuim semi-pro" with ability to "shoot in s-log" you start to try and enjoy every feature like low light night scenes, astrophoto, insane ISO 51000, endless tests to see what exactly that "detail" PP suboption do. Read everything about "back light, dual base iso" sensor, get goosebump trying it and see yes it really work and make cleaner image as 100 and 640 with naked eye (800/4000 in log, 800/1000 in hybrid gamma, etc). And finally, cold shower of shit result in comparison with any even absolutely technically unaware ppl who barely can find on/off button, but with A7S3/FX3. That was really hard. You know everything, you can stage any light setup at home, set any settings, and result... shit. No, at bright areas with contrast detail it is very good, but as soon you try to pay attention on background or anything with gradient flat it is just joke like 3-bit toy camera with plastic scratched lens. Once, I give up, and start to randomly change settiings. And I go 1/4 sec in video (camera cannot go less in video mode.). You know, that slide show fun mode, everything smudge to nothing when you move camera a bit. But, when I tried to hold camera relatively still, I get THAT. Almost ideal FX3/A7s3 feel pro video. Every damn gradient on out of focus areas is insanely clean with juicy proper color, like in movie. That is it and only it. You cannot outcom sensor limitation by changing modes, slog, lens (yes, I go crazy and got insanely costly for me 24F14GM, it change nothing btw. Slightly better.), postpro noise NR, nothing. Get camera with proper sensor, done.

[@extrashot]

Wow... nailed it at the end there! 👍

[@WupperVideo]

It's a shame, that Canon completely missed the professional video user in their camera lineup. The C70 is only S35 and doesn't have SDI out, and the R5C has fullframe, but also no SDI. Also the RF lens mount is extreme expensive, the market for RF lenses is still rare and Sigma and Tamron didn't release any lenses for the RF mount. We have used Canon for over a decade, but now it's time to say goodbye and switching to Sonys FX6.

[@extrashot]

Canon seem to spend so much effort protecting their existing market, it prevents innovation. It's a shame because they were definitely leading for a while. But then, I get angry that Sony keep dropping support for their existing market by constantly launching updated models... you can't win either way!

[@SoundSpeeding]

Sadly Canon has banned anybody else from being allowed to make third party AF lenses for the RF Mount :-(

[@SuperPhunThyme100]

Yeah. The way they dropped support for Venice I and the FX9. Frustrating. It used to be that the more you pay for a camera, the longer it would be around/you have support for it via firmware. This was cetainly the case for the F5 and F55. But now, Sony seem to be only supporting their lower priced models, while completely ignoring their higher priced cameras. Case in point, just 2 days ago, Sony announced firmware updates for the FX6, FX3, and FX30. But noticeably absent from that list? The FX9. Also, the price drop the FX9 had back in June of last year, coupled with its exclusion from the latest firmware update announcement, really makes me think that you are in the money with your prediction, and we will see an FX9 replacement of sorts announcement this year, with perhaps the sensor, or at least a sensor heavily based off of the A9 III. ​@extrashot

[@enigmawstudios4130]

If you're talking about value per dollar, Sony definitely makes it hard to buy their more expensive cameras. I think The Creator was the proof every budding Filmmaker needed to say "hell yeah! I can make my own pro movie!". But the image quality of the fx9, Burano, and Venace are superior. And when it comes to making movies, superior image quality is worth the upgrade... even if not a necessity

[@jeffsaffron5647]

FX6 is cheaper platform (body, batteries, cards), has better low light and faster frame rates. If any of this is deal breaker for you buy FX-6 otherwise get FX-9.

[@carlosgarcia3836]

Lets all just save up and buy the Venice, problem solved 😆

[@practical_theory]

And so the cycle continues

[@jazzstream]

there's no way sony won't release a global shutter cinema camera asap and that means real soon as their releases have proven, almost everyone is drooling over that global holy grail.

[@extrashot]

True!

[@robinprobyn1971]

But if it's at the expense of dual ISO , and /or lower ISO , then whats wrong with just having decent read out speed . For 99% of shots you don't need GS anyway . And most fx users are not dealing with Volume LCD stages . It's the new marketing hype with very little real world difference for the target buyers of these cameras .

[@jazzstream]

@@robinprobyn1971 true but just like the 35mm film days to digital much the same sentiment was given, 35mm is still better in some ways but would you go back ? Today I'm trialing my dji pocket 3 in my hgv, rugby to bristol (Huboo, BS45 4EL). it's definitely better than my pocket 2 but .....

[@haxstir]

😅 It's perfect . . . . until it isn't.

[@extrashot]

😅

[@normalbrennweite]

Thanks for the video I had completely forgotten that Sony had annoyed me twice. After I bought the F5 and shortly afterwards the FS7 arrived, it wasn't so bad. I had the combination with the CN7 lens. The FS7 would have been the wrong camera for that. But after I got screwed with the FX6 after buying the FX9, that should have been a lesson to me. But again, completely blinded by a new Sony launch, I ordered without thinking twice. After your video, I canceled my Burano pre-order the next day. My salesman was surprised but could also understand me, as Sony did not want to give any technical protection for the Burano after my two requests.

[@extrashot]

Oh no....I hope I haven't been the cause of a poor decision! The Burano looks to be a great camera but I just think I might wait a little while this time. I too have been burned once too often! Hope your choice works out well this time.

[@petersuvara]

The Sony Cycle :)

[@soufianDEMOS]

The camera ? Who cares ??? Let's talk about lenses. That's where quality comes from.

[@robertmartin1116]

Sunny? You mean Sony?

[@2424rocket]

Love your videos… But please stop calling Sony sunny. Its Pronounced So-oh-knee. Not sunny. Don’t mean to be an ass about this but it’s my second favorite company. 😂

[@richardspencer1227]

Yawn!

[@Acura1NSX]

Global shutter... so overrated & such a marketing ploy.

[@unclejezza]

Unless you are a photographer or hybrid shooter. With stills, the ability to ditch front NDs and completly do away with HSS flash is like a dream come true