Extreme Cold Start Test - Diesel vs Gasoline! BeamNG. Drive

How good does this game simulate air temperature and density?
Let's find out!
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[@ace773]

The beamng seems like it does not simulate cold starts in normal conditions like -20 or -40

[@johnnygeorgopoulos4072]

Yeah, I live in North Dakota...it gets -50°F on a rare occasion, -30°F is typical after January, hell, it is currently 20°F and it's only the first week of October... gotta drag my bike inside....once it goes negative things don't want to do anything.

[@johnnygeorgopoulos4072]

@PotAlkthroughs yes, I know the difference, and if it's -200°C it's -392°F....so it's cold AF.

[@CWINDOWSsystem32]

@PotAlkthroughs -40° is the same in both units anyways.

[@flatlinedatredline]

I live in Alaska and I drive a first gen dodge it takes twenty minutes for the glow plugs to heat up enough for me to start it in September when we two inches of snow and then mid winter comes and its -40f it rakes alot

[@Loudkona]

@@CWINDOWSsystem32 no it's not

[@andrewrobunson1407]

Wow, never seen -268.5 degrees celsius in Utah, before...

[@kzed4880]

Bruh its the end of the world u know its gonna happen one day .... Maybe

[@aaronbalchand5475]

Have you even seen a measurement in celsius in utah? Im canadian im actually curious

[@zachsteele6964]

@@aaronbalchand5475 I live in Utah and I have a couple times

[@viksrandoms7703]

paquitos hammer absolute Zero is -273,15 C

[@viksrandoms7703]

And yes that is where atoms stop moving

[@kygunworks4982]

At the -60 degree Celsius mark, or -76 Fahrenheit I guarantee the 2 diesels would never be able to start without some serious help, normal 15w-40 oil gets so thick that I'm not entirely sure the starter could even turn them over cold without oil heaters or block heaters

[@reggieharris9380]

Not all diesels take 15-40 ford 6.7 takes 15-40 for heavy duty and 30-40 for average use

[@datgamerboy123]

Diesel fuel typically gels at -40, so they shouldn't start at all... Or start then die shortly after

[@kygunworks4982]

@datgamerboy123 I know this, used to run Howes antigel in my 7.3 every winter, I'm saying best case scenario with tank and filter heaters like they run on the ice roads and up north

[@andersrasmussen1985]

Pretty sure The biggest problem with -60 degree celsius is The cooling fluid, not freezing to ICE

[@luminescent92]

@@andersrasmussen1985 that's why they use Antifreeze coolant on engines

[@satsumagt5284]

5:27 physics: -280°C? That's illegal

[@jovlaz5032]

matching profile pic ;)

[@satsumagt5284]

jovlaz I should update mines, now my AMP is red

[@jovlaz5032]

@@satsumagt5284 mine looks like this, but under the hood is a different story

[@Versuffe]

The WHAT ( ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°)

[@henrylee4374]

-7K is not something the universe has seen before

[@EngiNetion]

Every abandoned car finder:

[@ranchu8385]

lol

[@agente7202]

Hi SWAT

[@ranchu8385]

@@agente7202 hi

[@ranchu8385]

@@agente7202 oohhh, i remember, we swatted ur house like 4 days ago

[@agente7202]

XD

[@justindesrosiers3145]

Off course the car can’t start. You went bellow the lowest temperatire known of physics

[@SomethingFunny454]

@@erenberkinsirin6576 AKA the total absence of heat. Cold is just an idea, it isn't real.

[@stevejones01]

@@SomethingFunny454 would that also mean the total absence of energy? Learned something new today. That's cool (pun intended)

[@SomethingFunny454]

@@stevejones01 As far as I know (I like physics but am no expert) even the farthest reaches of outer space are a few degrees above absolute zero. I guess that is the reason absolute zero would mean zero energy and true nothing which cannot be?

[@stevejones01]

@@SomethingFunny454 Never thought of it like this before today. "Cold is just an idea, it isn't real." Perfect concept. Thanks

[@user-pj6ul6cn8h]

@@SomethingFunny454 youre correct, want to know a fun fact? Both the hottest, and coldest temperatures in the known universe were created on earth.

[@nvco]

Next test: set the temperature to 90°C, more or less the average temperature of an engine running.

[@datutturugang666]

ye no way an engine runs at 90. coolant sits at 90. engine idles at like 4-500

[@RookTalks]

@@datutturugang666 Engine idle on avg between 195-220. 90 is just shy of 195 so he isn't to far off.

[@datutturugang666]

@@RookTalks i was saying about the combustion chamber inside temp, in °C

[@rixogtr]

BeamNg is missing a proper good quality smoke physics. I mean they've reached pretty high peak when it comes to damage simulations and physics, I'd love them to see go more into details, brake glow, sparking brakes, rainy conditions, diesel smoke, screamer pipe setups with proper sounds, etc

[@tigerwoodsescalade9611]

Plus working wipers, vehicle scratches and scrapes, and liquid leaks after accidents.

[@rixogtr]

@@tigerwoodsescalade9611 even leaking old cars, like leaking gaskets, sumps, leaking radiators leaving trail of liquid on the road, then implement more of the common engine failures

[@rixogtr]

Broken CV joints, boost leaks, etc

[@guitarheromoose8445]

lets not make it so my computer blows up after a small bump please

[@2v_Kevn]

Still an early access, has huge potential. Look how far they've come since the launch.

[@givemyselfthecreeps]

I can assure you , that truck wouldnt have started at minus 20 without being plugged or having the glow plugs played with

[@SomethingFunny454]

Surprising they have a point they won't run but didn't set it anywhere near to realistic, maybe somebody missed a decimal point.

[@Cptn.Viridian]

More likely they started work on it, but left it at such a low value until they continued working on it/wanted to implement it.

[@banu6301]

@@Cptn.Viridian yeah its probably a placeholder at the moment

[@GF-mf7ml]

Cold start, rev it immediately

[@FSXgta]

I have "start engines preheated" off, and I dont think Beamng simulates oil viscousity. So it doesn't matter here

[@Mr.Birbpoop]

Idk they sound super cool

[@wonderbread2764]

ever watch zip ties and bias supplies? He cold starts diesel's in the middle of the Canadian winter and red lines them for a good 3 mins

[@theun-knownmusician5468]

@@wonderbread2764 what a cock

[@elweewutroone]

That damages the engine because the oil is too thick to get into small crevices and the gaps between parts are too large due to thermal expansion/contraction.

[@fuzzo4475]

Gotta love that very rough idle on the Semi-truck at the end.

[@renatinhodaheropuch1260]

Tem quer ser BMW de Mulher ou Carro da Mamãe

[@SNIXC]

Saaame

[@Achannel_o]

At minus -60 you could tell the game isn’t realistic the diesels seemed to start up within the first few cranks, at that temperature a diesel definitely wouldn’t be starting that quickly

At -60 a fuel pump would brake because fuel wouldn't be a liquid anymore or would be too thick and even if it would go thru fuel pump it;d cause a lot of damage in fuel injection system

[@dimmacommunication]

At -60 it will not start, probably not even -40

[@quintensiekmans8659]

it's not the starter, neither the battery... U FROZE THE FUEL TO CLUMPS

[@codyhennings]

That’s why diesel won’t start as good in the cold

[@backyardmowerracing492]

@@codyhennings ya it gells up

[@renatinhodaheropuch1260]

Vendo um ETK K-SERIES carro de Mulher , pago sem anos dias

[@KitKitChanIsaac]

5:28 ah yes,in the world of BeamNg,there's no such thing as absolute zero(-273.3°c)

[@user-vs7sb9wg2r]

-280°C? There is no such thing. The absolute zero temperature is -273.15°C or 0°K.

[@Juppie902]

There is one feature missing in beamng that would drastically improve realism to me, and that is thermostat. Engines , when starting cold, IRL, increase the RPMs until achieving working temperature. The increase is not dramatic, for my 2007 Ford Focus (piece of trash) it would be ~100-150 RPM higher idle. About 5 minutes idling in winter (~15 degrees centigrade) and the engine is warm and idle drops. My carbureted scooter has an electric enricher which is composed of a tiny hole that is open inside the carburetor, and the enricher is a plastic covered stick like shape, sitting outside the carb, with wax inside it, covering a small tube that plugs right into that hole. A cable that is connected to the AC circuit is heating the wax, which in turn pushes the metal pin, that plugs the "extra fuel" hole in the carb. The AC circuit is powered only when the engine is powered (and generating power by stator), and not related to the 12v DC battery. I need those things in beam :(

[@p_enta5012]

When i cold start one of my cars, this one specifically will idle at like 5,000 RPM so the heaters can kick on super fast. apparently its normal

[@Frady180]

My 69’ bug has a choke on the carb for cold start, at a certain temp it shuts off

[@Joe0400]

I totally noticed that. I live up north so cars idle high when starting up until it warms up. Also they should add a feature that depending on grill size cooling efficiency goes up and down. This means for extreme cold they could add a car bra to it.

[@BeezyKing99]

@@Joe0400 never used a carbra irl... they're worthless imo (drove hard so always needed the cooling)

[@basilioblairi6857]

@@p_enta5012 при таких температурах если слишком рано дать в отсечку обороты, то со всех щелей вытечет масло, а ещё в beamng drive по факту нету аккумуляторов и системы электричества было бы интересно посмотреть на свет галогенных фар при нагрузке, когда включаешь кондиционер или машина глохнет и на аккумуляторе меньше 12v, свет фар будет тусклее

[@victoramicci840]

Set a low environment temp and run without radiator. Also, you may test the picollino, since it's aircooled Edit: Actually i did that myself, it doesn't matter the temp, it seems that the cars won't start and run because they can't get enough air. If you set it to -270ºC and start to climb, there will be an altitude that the engine will refuse to rev up and will "lock" itself, it seems that Beam has a air density simulation that gets all haywire with those extreme temps. I went as far as running the engine only on nitro haha

[@kornaros96]

Well, at these temperatures the air isn't air but solid

[@redion8575]

@@kornaros96 it’s also close to 0 kelvin

[@corona2261]

Lol I wish my car starts that easy in minus 20 degrees

[@fordjeep5571]

It's all in cranking amps get a high cca battery it'll fire up first go.

[@johnnygeorgopoulos4072]

Hmm..... temperature on Beam bugged, or maybe you'll need to see the temperature of the engine/oil because you might have to let them sit after adjustment..... because I live in North Dakota..... Once it hits 0°F and you don't have a block heater things start to not want to start, -10°F after sitting for 3hrs and you'll be sluggish starting, -20° and no block heater or battery plugged in? It's either going to have extremely limited voltage for starting, or your oil is so viscous you're struggling to turn over. I've had vehicles that won't start at -10°F, -30°F is usually where they don't want to do anything if they've sat for over an hour with no assistance.... everything else at -30° is great too, infotainment systems struggle to show their screens, stuff is tight and doesn't want to move....so yeah temps definitely bugged on Beam, or they need to "soak".

[@jonikyro1168]

My dirtbike starts first kick at -30°C(-22°F)

[@BugThorn]

@@jonikyro1168 I have old Diesel but still one of first commont rails and glow plugs didnt work, still it start on 4th revolution in -30 C

[@JoNJamEz1]

@@jonikyro1168 lucky, mine dosent start at all until the 50th kick in 70 f weather. It’s a brand new KX

[@xxcr4ckzzxx840]

@@JoNJamEz1 Remove the Airfilter and check if that Improves it. If yes, it runs to rich. If not, its probably to lean. Let that Check. New KX should start on first or 2nd Kick. Maybe consider checking the manual.

[@100GTAGUY]

@@JoNJamEz1 is it your first new bike ever, big bore or small bore, 2t or 4t? Could just be strong compression and if it's a bigger engine and you're new to this it's gonna fight ya tooth n nail. Some newer 4t bikes come with hot start kits installed, make sure that's not accidentally engaged when cold. And if you're kicking it over like 70 times and it's not firing, up try turning the engine over slowly until you feel the compression stroke fighting you. Keep pushing till the pressure let's up slightly, and then jump and kick into the starter using both gravity and muscle power. If you've got an injected bike leave the throttle closed unless specified to crack it in the manual, these newer bikes don't like throttle on startup. Carbed engines don't mind a smidge of throttle, particularly two strokes. But it sounds to me you're having a lack of fuel, spark, and or also compression, I'd consult your manual for further information. Could be something as simple as the spark plug being too loose, or something silly like cellophane on the air filter from assembly.

[@lukasjarka5340]

Nice, just keep in mind that anything below - 273 doesn't make sense since the absute zero in temperature is at - 273 degrees Celsius. Anything below that is impossible to achieve or exist.

[@MapOfEurasia]

If you have the car on a downhill and you starting roll, the engine doesn't froze on start up and Will work even at neptunian temps 😁

[@player30gaming96]

already at -60 c none of these vehicles would start

[@GTASAModder1]

I wouldn't even start.

[@FnyxoYee]

Nobody: My computer fan: 7:27

[@Abomivore]

Yee

[@Pinofocaccia]

The real problem is that -280°C is less than 0° K, so it’s simply impossible to do, every molecule is absolutely static for thermodynamic’s laws and that’s why engines destroys as soon as you start them Moreover, I think beamNG let starts cars because you start them with engine already heated and only few seconds after changing the temperature… You should wait 10 minutes between every change and then try again

[@racer927]

I like how condensation billows from the exhaust at lower temperatures.

[@trainman665]

This shows that Beamng completely fails at simulating air temperatures.

[@Dia1Up]

I mean, it does simulate air temp. However, it doesn't simulate the effect of temperature on components

[@mityaboy4639]

yeah, at -265C water would be rocksolid… and the atmosphere would start to liquidify / or start fall as snow :) all pipes in the car would be ruptured, batteries would have no charge in them and probably ruptured too… those cars would not go anywhere :)

[@kt249]

That's actually wrong. If you set the temp in the game, let's say -10C and fast forward game time you'll see that cars take much longer to start. I remember watching a video about that; some youtuber tries to start cars around that temp in the game and they take a lot of time to start. I think what's happening here is although air temp is low, cars are not yet cold enough to have problems starting. Wait for a long enough time and try this again, you'll see different results.

[@Avetho]

Given the diesel rough idle, they likely have a placeholder for engine temperature simulation, but its not worked on yet. When programming anything, you generally put in framework and placeholders for the things you want to add, and you come back to them later after you've finished fleshing out the core components. The Beam devs have done most of the core pieces so now they're visiting the smaller things that add even more realism to an already awesome game.

[@joerisimmanuel9156]

@@Avetho they working on visual for now, like pbr materials

[@ffran41]

7:09 that was like a dyno test xdd

[@mb1234567890a]

8:57 Maybe you found the low temperature limit but judging by the sound of the truck engine, these engines seem to find it difficult.

[@nene7073]

how do i put the Temperature down i wanna try this too on my own

[@petrusa.pechar4748]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3zLc3h4fLh4oKc sec 30

[@amchoo_929]

F11

[@thatothercarguy8914]

Interesting how even Beam understands how minimum temperature is -273

[@lukehill6395]

well not really, because air would condense into a liquid right around -200.

[@dimmacommunication]

" even beam " well... the car will probably not even start at -50

[@blackheavyblans]

It's not realistic. Even in -10°C when you start a car, it idles almost in 2k rpm. Because the automatic choker goes on.

[@gunner38ED]

-268.5°C. Air gases have frozen into solid form but the engine still starts. Logic.

[@Joshtheweatherman]

I find it hilarious that the old car seemed to run slightly better than the others, despite it having a carburetor. Funny!

[@thatgraysuburban]

Ok there is no way the Diesel engines and the carbureted engines would’ve started that easy BeamNG lmao

[@willielasley5214]

the truck starting sounds like someone struggling to breathe lol

[@Buledde]

At -60° diesel is just wax. Nothing would work and at 0 K a lot of metal parts would break like glass under stress.

[@ryanwethington8188]

Love how the desert and the weather still looks warm 😂

[@bigobrother123]

Diesel is rated for -40C in cold climate countries but sure it’s the near 0 Kelvin where particles on the atomic level stop moving that causes issues with starting

[@mageminx7551]

Temp: almost absolute zero Beamng: I see absolutely no reason why it shouldn’t start

[@corona2261]

Let alone that the gasoline would instantly freeze on - 270

[@electrolux1199]

Very cool video Dude, but how you change the temperature!?

[@ForgottenMustard]

Press F11, pick the theLevelInfo object in the Scene Tree and search for the temperatureCurveC entry.

[@electrolux1199]

@@ForgottenMustard Thank you very much, i waiting for more cool videos!

[@jezzathecezza8037]

How?

[@TonyTonyChoppered]

It's physically impossible for the gas engines to work under -100 since the fuel would've frozen already

[@kt249]

I think what's happening here is although air temp is low, cars are not yet cold enough to have problems starting. Wait for a long enough time and try this again, you'll see different results.

[@mewhen4210]

I subscribed, but how do you get BeamNG drive on your pc? Same with that nice looking gauge

[@jesse.vr6]

the exhaust has visible smoke once it gets to freezing temperature. cool detail.

[@dreiback182]

Normally Winterdiesel I think freezes at -40 degreese and gaoline is a bit higher... from what Ive heared. Seems like BeamNG doesnt simulate Temperatures very well. But to all: BeamNG is still in the Beta Phase... But I hope they add VR Support in some of the next updates...

[@dragondarestam2417]

I love your vids keep up the good work

[@randomthingch1970]

I literally have the same video concept and I still editing it but you make it first anyway Good job

[@recycleman975]

no country has such tempratures

[@brmotoren9889]

how do you actually change the temperature in beam?

[@2005llyduramax]

Should do an extreme heat start video just to see at what point they can't cool themselves. How do you adjust the temp like that?

[@bigbrick2297]

I'm probably late, but you can find that in environmental controls

[@mmmark8737]

The old lady down the street warms her car up just like that on cold days.

[@maxseelos4947]

How can you set the temperature, I've tried everything, it just doesn't work for me, it was already in the editor

[@tylerrusty1122]

I'd kind of like to see if the performance of an electric vehicle is altered in the cold as it is in real life.

[@chasebh89]

Actually kind of disappointed the diesels didn't have any issues until impossibly cold

[@Jims07yfz450]

how do you get the info boxes up in the upper left that shows engine torque and such

[@l_lure]

How to change temperature? Plz i neee to know :(

[@ForgottenMustard]

Press F11, pick the theLevelInfo object in the Scene Tree and search for the temperatureCurveC entry.

[@jonnywilson9117]

@@initialyeet3951 Okay, but what's your point?

[@Jeb4100]

@@initialyeet3951 Why does it matter? Most likely he is a child.

[@JaxsonM22]

@@initialyeet3951 your name has yeet in it...

[@nick28190]

@@ForgottenMustard can u make a video on how I can't figure it out tbh

[@Xpomocoma202]

-100 degrees start up in a desert map, ironic

[@100GTAGUY]

While I haven't seen temps anywhere near -100° F out here in the desert, it's gotten down to -20 around me plenty of times. They aren't just always hot barren wastelands.

[@dopeynightlifetv6859]

7:17 had a 2 fast 2 furious moment 💪

[@JimmyCasket02]

Just saying the only vehicle that would have a hope of starting at -60c would be the efi gasser but that’s pushing it

[@chubbysumo2230]

having started cars in -45c, naw, the carb would be fine too as long as the fuel is flowing, just gotta hope the choke does not freeze up nor that the carb ices up before it can heat up enough to keep it melted.

[@JimmyCasket02]

@@chubbysumo2230 there’s a pretty big temperature difference between -45 and -60c I doubt a carbureted car would fire without a starting aid you just can’t control the fuel mixture as precise and fast as efi

[@thegamerguy56]

I think the only reason the cars had trouble with -270 temps is because the air density was severely changed. The required fuel from the injectors was way out of the scope of what they could provide so you were running way too lean and the engine efficiency went to crap. If you look at the airspeed indicator in an app you can see that they do model the air density. If you set the temp below 15c and drive at sea level, the airspeed will read higher than the ground speed, varying depending on how much lower than 15c you go due to increased air density flowing over the "sensor". Temps above 15c have the opposite effect.

[@owenwilliams1911]

This is awesome video I'd love to see how hot it can get before it won't start anymore

[@markusfpv1349]

Impressive, very nice, let's see Paul Allen's diesel.

[@B3burner]

Did you have to quick turn each of them off after spawning? Or were you some how able to get them to spawn cold and dark?

[@ForgottenMustard]

Turned them off as soon as they spawned. Doesn't make any difference to the engine temperature if it runs for a few seconds.

[@philippeichinger3246]

something i have discovered while playing with altitude and temperature in that game is that when you lower the temperature the air density in higher altitudes falls dramatically, and as far as i could notice only the air density took an effect on how the engines ran , so at -200°C but at altitude 0 the cars ran like normal

[@thytor756]

So you mean we need to drive sea level to on -200C° to drove normally.

[@huntsbychainsaw5986]

Living in a cold climate I can confirm the test was not accurate. No I didn't really expect it to be but I was hoping it would have been a little better than this.

[@gamingsandbox5483]

How long did you wait for the engines to cool down to the environment temp? I would be best to wait like an hour.

[@tudorhunter412]

*-100 degrees* Crickets: ctrrrrrrrrrrric

[@aidanmccarthy5262]

PLEASE MAKE A TUTORIAL ON HOW TO CHANGE TEMPERATURE ITS NOT WORKING FOR ME

[@petrusa.pechar4748]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3zLc3h4fLh4oKc here, at second 30... he shows it

[@MrBigdaddy1021]

Hell nah at -20 celsius most vehicles would struggle with cold starts at least a little. Where i live in the midwest we’ve seen as low as -35 celsius and i can say with certainty that almost every vehicle would struggle starting especially diesels if the fuel hasnt been treated so it wont turn to gel.

[@EnjoyMyHitsYT]

how to set the temperature down?

[@skull6759]

wich program do u use for edit

[@explosivethings5611]

What's cursed is that he made it cold in the desert.

[@f_l1]

How do you change the environment temperature?

[@reaperactualgaming3075]

I've played this game for years and didn't know you could change the temperature

[@brickingturtle4888]

Lol the fact you did it in the utah map

[@billydavenport8134]

-273 is absolute zero where particles no longer move lmao

[@ridezosmon2306]

Any vehicle wouldn't start at -100 C but this was entertaining lol

[@12skits63]

I had no idea this was even a thing in that game

[@shahan484]

My 10 year old MPFI Hatchback has enough brains to idle at 1500-2000RPM during cold starts. And my Diesel SUV would guaranteed not start at less than freezing, as Diesel clumps and turns into gel at low temperatures without additive.

[@dyszell]

How did you change the environmental temperature?

[@obama9862]

Did you enable the start at environmental temp feature

[@Gabriel-he6ih]

Oh shit, there actually are cold starts in the game now?

[@redninja1258]

The fact is that cold in a desert is all sorts of janky

[@100GTAGUY]

I live in the desert and literally just got six inches of snow today, might hit single digits tonight even lol. Not all deserts are near the equator like the Sahara, and often times they're quite cold come wintertime.

[@Cesko_Plny_Fialovejch_Zmrdu]

Cold start....in the fucking desert... Are you fucking kidding me

[@don_soreno3398]

What a video. Its just always the same engine start

[@0rangeGhost4]

you should've warm the engines to working temperatures to see if there is any difference on that lowest possible temperature between cold and warm engines

[@100mA]

Unlike water, gasoline does not freeze at zero degrees Celsius, but only at around minus 60 degrees. Diesel begins to flocculate at around minus 22 degrees.

[@direktorsvemira96]

5:27 when every rule of physics goes too far, but not too far like temperature.

[@readytodie7355]

I hope my 2007 Skoda octavia 2.0 Tdi would start that well too in -200°C 😂

[@HoweDoYouDo1999]

In this case -100 degrees ain’t exactly doing shit because those exact same cars are starting like nothing 😂😂

[@thesoloquener3239]

importance of 0.5 degree lol

[@EverythingAwesomeTech]

It would be cool to see the cars actually drive in their minimum temperature limits!

[@beamng33legit]

Wait how did you Chang the temperature

[@jessesteinbar]

How do you know if the engine is at the environment same temperature or at a higher temperature?

[@Aviation_lad_123]

The limit is -271 if enemy further engine will lock up AND you need to respawn the car and then it will affect it

[@Bennyboysgarage_]

I find this hard to believe I had to start my car once at -27 and everything was so slow and it took a while to start. It’s a gas car. So these cars starting at -250 and firing up no problem seems very unreal

[@abeef9368]

Almost as if its a game

[@tylermatheson4376]

Ok but how do you change environment temperature in game anyway?

[@MrJp990]

how do you edit the environmental temperature?