Don't believe what you hear about FRFR Speakers

[@TheZanger]

As a pro live engineer I sometimes even asked a guitar player if they had ears on the back of their calves…angle that small amp, put it on a case or a stand AND in front of you or a bit on the side. And indeed if you have one of those digital sim things, the floor monitor or in ears will do great!

[@azharkhan8796]

Amp demos need to be done this way. Mic'd up amp demos are so useless to me. Nice format here!

[@gmac8852]

Absolutely right.

[@aural_supremacy]

Doesn’t matter if they are mic’d or not by the time it goes through the ADC-DAC conversion of whatever device you are accessing this content on it’s no longer authentic anyway.

[@iurigrang]

@@aural_supremacyout of everything, mic, mic position, speakers you’re listening on, your room, subjective impressions, you really decided to focus on the ADC/DAC conversion as where the authenticity is lost? Damn son

[@iurigrang]

oh, I also forgot, the guitar/pedals they’re playing through, their playing style, the preamps of their recording gear, the amp on your side, youtube compression. Heck, I even notice the difference between some of my cables a lot more than I do between DACs. really, ADC/DAC conversion isn’t even top 10 factors that would make that less legitimate.

[@upStomp]

I don't think you can trust audio demos on KZbin, or any other audio/video streaming service unless just doing an a/b.

[@luisangelmedia4459]

Thank you so much for this video. You have no idea how much sleep I have lost trying to decide what speaker to purchase for my Helix. Ironically, this is after already having purchase one used JBL eon 610. It sounds great but I went down a rabbit hole thinking maybe it could sound better, could it, maybe. But your video clearly shows all speakers can work and each one has their own pros/cons. I can go to sleep in peace finally. Just another example of chasing GAS more than actually sitting down and practicing to get better! You are doing god's work here.

[@5yearsout]

I don't why but I find some solace in the fact that I'm the only one who stresses about what to buy, it doesn't help me any but at least I'm not alone.

[@84slow]

Love your channel. Best no BS reviews on gear. Been a fan since the early Mooer delays video.

[@izahanismail5646]

put a camera on the binaural mic where ‘eyes’ should be … that would make a cool ‘in the room experience’ video

[@therealjakeott]

The biggest kick of these modeler systems is stereo output, imo. Just one of any of those top-end FRFRs might sound good, but a matched pair of any FRFR will be loud enough for any stage (totally played a massive venue last weekend with my Helix into two Headrush 108s and was louder than everything else on stage), AND you can get a stereo image in your effects that will blow your mind!

[@michaelwilson2497]

Do you find the 8" speaker loses anything from a 12"? I just went to Fractal AX8 and through my 5" studio monitors it sounds so synthetic.

[@JayGarcia19]

​​​@@michaelwilson2497 I tried the two frfrs in a store and I can tell you that they have the same volume and power (which for the size is impressive). Although the 112 has this very marked bass that is somewhat excessive in my opinion. Finally I decided on the 108 as it had a more crystalline sound. I hope to buy another one soon so I can have the pair.

[@joebranston6330]

How do you monitor yourself? I'm assuming the 2 headrushzz are pointing at the audience?

[@scottm3775]

I can’t say how much this review helped. Probably saved me at least a $1K! Thank you so much 😊

[@duncancartledge1667]

Nice comprehensive review of different options. Tried the Alto and Headrush 108 in the past but settled on the Powercab Plus 112. To be fair it’s horses for courses but I like the modelled speakers in the powercab and the tilt legs so it can be used as a wedge type monitor, plus it has options for FRFR, using as a modelled speaker, or as a monitor ( has a hidden setting for that which removes the EQ that makes it sound like a cab) . I think it’s fair to,say it is not plug and play though, needs some time setting up and matching to your modeller ( in my case Strymon Iridium and sometimes an old POD XT) . Spot on comment that it’s easily scuffed and no corner protection so wouldn’t really stand up to road life. Main use for me is running amps through load boxes.

[@marksvideochannel3592]

I too love the Powercab+. Sold my SV20 because the Helix LT and Powercab+ can get very close. Well close enough for me.

[@21stcenturymetal31]

For me in my small studio at home one Headrush FRFR108 into my MX5 works great. Cheap and very compact and works great for that purpose.

[@heavybrett-al4082]

👍yea I'm using the 108 with a pod go, and it's pretty impressive.

[@jcserrano1663]

Dear Pauly, can you test the G66 10's that Marco Fantom created with Redsouns ?

[@Firesign85]

Do you think tht 108 is good for low volume playing without gettomg boxy? Not sure getting iloud micro monitors, using a yamha thr as frrfr or the headrush. Just for low volume in an apartment

[@littletardis]

I have the Headrush as an alternate to a Mackie 8” monitor and have to say I have gone back to the Mackie. However both fit into the boot of my MX5 which is good.

[@papafsb444]

I have the headrush 112 with a hx stomp. Sounds great.

[@monty5066]

Everything you said in the first 3 minutes was exactly why I bought TWO Headrush FRFR108's. I use them as powered PA tops, on solo/duo gigs, and as monitors for full band gigs. Highly recommend, if any one is curious. Great sound, lots of power, and cheap as chips.

[@annabailey8987]

exactly dude. Ironic.

[@steveliberty]

I got into modeling via the HX Stomp. Now, I also have an Iridium. I love using them because of the convenience and flexibility of tones. I started with an Alto TS310 frfr. It sounded good, but it didn't fill the room (VERY directional), and it didn't quite feel right. I switched to a regular guitar cab and a small power amp, and it changed everything for me. My main cab is a 1x12 loaded with a JBL K-120, but I also have several others, including a Monoprice 1x12 loaded with a V30 ($149 - crazy!). I have several power amps, some of which are DIY built form a $4 single board amplifier, and others are actually stereo HIFI amps (I play mono, and just use one channel). All of these options sound great, and work very well for my needs. Does my tube amp sound and react better? Sure, but marginally, and they are heavy. This solution (power amp and guitar cab) is working best for me. Nice video Henning - I agree that the frfr thing is largely a marketing ploy, and almost any wedge will do pretty mucg the same.

[@martiboucat]

I use my stomp through the fx return of an old 90s carlsbro 80w amp and on the cd input of a mini Peavey Rage 158 and i really think this will always sound better than a stage monitor. I really want to check the Blackstar idcore100 because of the stereo fxloop return on a dual speaker cab.

[@leeh5150]

Hi Henning. Long time since we talked. As you know I'm a bass player. Well after many sound problems when performing in churches, I finally landed on the right setup. A Zoom B6 modeler thru a HeadRush FRFR 108..... (yes I said 108) speaker. That HeadRush is magnificent in the bass frequencies. And I play 5 string. I can carry a few items to the stage, hear myself and DI out of the Zoom to the FOH. (Personal Note....Everybody else look away) (When last we met at NAMM a few years ago, you had just put your dog down. I had to do the same last month. Man that messed me up.) Always love watching your channel. P.S. The amp project is still on going.

[@emvdhout]

true, nothing sounds like a guitar speaker. But the issue is that nowadays more and more setups are feeding the PA system through line signals and not by miking cabs. So the fun of these FRFR (or just PA) speakers is that you try to hear yourself the same way the audience hears you.

[@erpece]

Great video again! I have a small Headrush FRFR to go with my Helix and it has a ground lift option, which I think every FRFR should have. I noticed (to my suprise) that not all FRFR's have a ground lift. That will surely cause hum, especially in a stage environment.

[@bennettshapiro7711]

The reason the peak output rating means something, is because it tells you how much clean headroom you have. That is kind of important. There are momentary peaks in almost any kind of music. Clean headroom means but those peaks aren’t going to square wave and damage your speaker.

[@bassyey]

Does square wave damage speaker? Should I not play fuzz? I have one with square wave.

[@JohnvanCapel]

@@bassyey TL;DR Just don't play your fuzz with everything else cranked to max volume, and you'll be fine. Pumping a square wave through a speaker, in itself, isn't damaging. It's overloading the power-amp connected to the speaker so much that it starts to either distort to a square wave by itself or clip more on top of an already-squared-out wave, that's liable to cause damage. At that point, you're already supplying a high-amplitude load to the speakers, but due to the power-amp clipping it's also converting some of what should be high-amplitude low frequencies into even higher-amplitude high frequencies, which can overload tweeters in one of several ways - if you're lucky the speaker will just tear itself out, if you're unlucky it overheats the coil inside the tweeter and you get a fire. A square-wave from a fuzz pedal or a synth, typically, will get compressed down to safety by a non-clipping power amp. If you're running the power-amp hard enough that it can't cope, though, the addition of the fuzz effect will generate even more high-amplitude high-frequency content.

[@guitarflyer172]

I played an outside gig with the Headrush 12” and a Peavey PVX12 and used a headrush 8” as a monitor. It was more than enough volume and I was the only member not mic’d up.

[@andreafox7267]

Great demo! I was considering the RCF range but decided to go for QSC K8.2 and K10.2. These are excellent, hifi quality, really powerful speakers. I use an 8” stereo pair for guitar and they sound great.

[@andreafox7267]

@Gordon I’ve got a pair of 8” and a pair of 10”. 10” are for synths and piano and 8” I bought as monitors for project that never happened so I use them for electric guitar straight from pedal board. They’re not cheap but they are excellent quality. I’ve had Alto & JBL before which were great for the money but no where near as powerful or as good audio quality.

[@andreafox7267]

@Gordon they are the QSC K10.2’s.

[@frankiebananas2784]

Yes such a difference in quality.I have 2 K 10’s and 1 K 12 in my DJ performance and when I am not working plug my pod go in it and sounds great.There are many used ones available at good prices.

[@secretstorymusic]

I dont have a dedicated FRFR because I just use a floor wedge with the band mix. For my purposes the QSC K12 1st gen] has been outstanding. You can find the first gens used all day for $600-800

[@tobysalas]

I use the QSC K12 and sounds amazing. Qsc is awesome.

[@steveball4609]

Nice one Henning, yet another top review. I'm using a Helix LT with a Yamaha DXR12 MkI and must say its opened my eyes to how good technology has become. It has however taken a little adaptation to get used to a powered speaker and amp/cab/mic modelling and the phenomena known as the Fletcher Munson Curve.I'm used to using tube amps and guitar cabs for most of my gigging career and, Ive found there are a fair few differences to how things are projected/dispersed and different eq'ing. I'm lucky that I work in a school music dept and have the facility to turn up the DXR12 with the Helix in a classroom after school to eq the unit for F.M.C effect. I think they're 95% there sound wise and for the convenience and portability they're brilliant.

[@officialpoa3171]

*I have been doing 10" speakers for years. Also the thing is when you are on a stage, the Fills and Monitors on a pro stage will be 15"... 12" are great but when you use 10's plus the sound going through the rest of the PA.... It will feel like playing with your regular 4x12 miced up.*

[@KratosIsSick]

Whenever I need a detailed run down on "how things work" this is the go-to channel.

[@dsam6990]

I always seem to do things differently, but hey... so as my permanent home gear setup I now use a dream 65 running into a Roland PM30 drum speaker, which is such a great choice cos you have 3 stereo jack inputs with their own volume controls and a RCA stereo input, together with a master volume and a 3 band EQ, this EQ is very essential when you want to mix the drums and guitar thus allowing you to find the best compromise for both instruments.With the RCA I plug my laptop via my Tascam 2x2 to play back my recordings, my BB goes into channel 1, Dream into 2, and there's a cable ready for my phone on channel 3. It really handles the different frequencies very well, which makes sense cos on drums thats what you need from the low kick to the high sounding high hat and cymbals. In my opinion you dont want it flat when you intend to mix in drums or external music, you need to have some control on the EQ to get the best

[@FunkyELF]

That's what the guys at Sweetwater told me when I was looking for a drum speaker. They said just get a good PA. I use a Mackie Thump 15. They told me I should get minimum 15" if I'm going to be using drums. Now I use it for everything because I use Ableton to loop... Drums, bass, keys, guitar (through Pod Go) I actually have a pair of them but typically use just one because two are overkill in my music room... If I want stereo I use headphones. I bring out the two when we jam outside or play a movie outside on projector.

[@philw8049]

I have a headrush frfr108 and gotta be honest, I think it sounds fantastic. Having said that I had no confusion about what it is, which is basically a powered pa speaker with a 2 channel mixer. I am fine with that, the price is not bad at all either.

[@chriscuthbertson]

Yep its a Alto TS208 with a different badge. Alto and Headrush are part of the same company,

[@rgbplumbinghilton]

I have the small headrush too and use it with a few different modellers. The top end has to be rolled off as it gets harsh at high volume but it has some kick to it for a small unit and good bass response. Also it is pretty loud!!

[@rojocinco]

And what do you think about Bosé S1?

[@rainingsideways6001]

I've got the headrush too. It sounds good but..... Not accurate. If I dial in a sound on the headrush, it sounds entirely different on recordings/ thru studio monitors. Just my 2 cents.

[@Righetho]

@@rainingsideways6001 I also got them, pair of 108s, and they sound “different” from the recordings due to ambient interference, ain’t it? I usually take it into consideration, just my 2 cents with a genuine question.

[@billwarner213]

Hello! I would like to respectfully offer my opinion that the Mission Engineering Gemini-2 cabs really are AMAZING! I purchased one (and then another for stereo) to use with my Quad Cortex, and I could not speak more highly about them. They truly give you that heavy, thumpy 4X12 cab feel with a very “open” amp-in-the-room tone. HIGHLY recommended!

[@williambronchick4350]

Doesn't that weight like 60+ lbs, thus defeating the point of a modeling rig? CONVENIENCE!

[@SimonsBand1]

@@williambronchick4350 the point of modelling rig is the access to so many different tones, not just convenience

[@jacksonhoward3743]

My Band uses the Yamaha DBR12 as our PA tops and they are absolutely awesome. We use IEMs for monitors most of the time, but in the rehearsal room they act as our vocal and guitar speakers primarily. They are light, rugged and sound awesome. We have played a variety of outdoor stages with them and they are plenty loud and we often get compliments on how great they sound. Can't recommend yamaha dbr12 speakers enough!

[@samueldiker]

@@S1L3NTknight You can hear a fan when it is silent, but it is quiet.

[@bennettshapiro7711]

I guess the other thing I should say here, is that in my experience, any of these powered wedges will work, because we have EQ in our rigs to adjust for the sound of the box. Some of these boxes are darker, and some of them brighter. Some of them have accentuated mid range. But we can adjust for all of that. So there’s really no reason to go with something really expensive.

[@chopperdeath]

I agree. EQ is huge. If you have a 31 band EQ you can fix almost any issue. An easier solution might be a 2/3 band parametric. I could see a person wanting a wider or taller soundstage a 4x12 might offer, but electronic processing can mimic a wide soundstage in a pretty convincing way now. It's good to be alive with all this great sounding gear.

[@johngonzales8224]

I agree with you but in most several cases the Headrush frfr and the Harley Benton are a little cheaper then a PA speaker. I have tube amps and frfr to use with Line 6 and Mooer units. I usually use an amp and cab but the other day I had a tight stage so i went with my line6 pod go and a headrush frfr112 and the sound was great the the crown enjoyed the sound I felt it was very accurate in my tones.

[@miketuttle9319]

I came across a simple home playing rig - I have a Spark, I rand a line from the headphone output into the aux of a Champion 20. I'm planning on getting a Champion 40 for the 12" speaker rather than an 8". Simple, but good for home playing and getting a bigger sound than just the Spark.

[@brianlebrun2382]

Excellent video. I run a concert array with RCF speakers and yes, they are expensive but damn, it's clear and loud (30000 watts!). I think you missed the point though about those of us using a modeler and needing to hear. I run a Headrush FRFR112 and at 2000 watts it'll knock your head off....but that's a monitor. What about those of us who want a little something coming off the stage? I have 2 tube amps (one has a 4x10 cab) but I carry lights and sound and don't have room for a conventional amp much less the desire to hook up the 4CM and shut off speaker sims. That's where the Powercab comes in. It's smaller but has power and yes, it has kick back legs so you aren't tickling your ankles with the sound. Any programs I use will be designed around that speaker. You're 100% right about the "feel" of a real amp....the sound jumps right out at you but sometimes there's a need for a trade-off....convenience vs my back. Keep the videos coming.

[@aaronshortmusic]

Great timing. I had the same experience with the PC212 and have been looking at trying the coaxial floor monitors.

[@boogie8313]

Thanks to you of because of you (will judge when I receive my order 😅), I pulled my trigger on the NX 10 SMA to monitor my Kemper Stage.Thanks for your input here and the quality of your vid.

[@bretthowe8748]

Yes, you can use a good monitor, but the preamp will colour the sound. I have a Headrush FRFR and it’s great! I can use headphones at home to setup sounds, and they are replicated brilliantly, but sound even better pushing air. For all those folks saying the Alto PA cab is the same. No it’s not. It has a preamp on the inputs, that does colour the sound. Furthermore, they don’t feature the same internals & speakers. Even with the extra preamp, the Alto is lighter than the Headrush by a couple of kilos. How can this be? We’ll the Headrush has bigger higher quality components to cover the full range. Same box, different inside. I actually love the new Fender FRFR cab, as it is more versitile, and looks like a traditional cab, but at twice the price…I just can’t justify it.

[@bemorecheetah]

Just bought a Mackie Thump 15A Powered PA Speaker for bass to use with my HX Stomp - sounds incredible and VERY loud - got it in the BAX sale for £270 - into the input, out to the FOH - life is sweet!

[@checkitout611]

You truly do an excellent job of keeping the talking and demo in perfect amounts. I got lucky and was able to purchase an RCF NX 12 for $100 more than the NX 10 and I truly love it. To be fair I also own (and was already familiar with RCF) HD-10 tops (and for stage monitors) and RCF 8004 subs as well for playing out. I can't recommend the NX series enough if you are even thinking about getting the 10 or 12 to compliment your modeler. I use the Quad Cortex through mine and the clarity and headroom is fantastic. Another nice option not listed here (that I have tried) is the ATOMIC CLR NEO MK II. On that note don't be afraid to try the HD-10 as a monitor either as I used one before moving up to the NX 12 (which was recently).

[@DavidFeilyMusic]

I use an HD 10 and have been loving it. Is the NX10 a huge upgrade? Im using a Hx stomp and radial stage bug to send the XLR to FOH and use the 1/4” thru to the HD10.

[@checkitout611]

@@DavidFeilyMusic Huge? No .... they are a bit smoother with more detail (especially in the mid / high end) but I'd stick with the HD if you already have it. It's a great speaker. 👍

[@swaffy101]

I totally agree with you on the power cab. It just didn’t sound good to me. I went back to my real amp.

[@MFKitten]

Problem with those binaural mics is that they add a resonance in the ear cavity that our ear already adds to the headphone sound. You should ideally do a narrow EQ cut at the resonant peak to get it level with everything else. Our brains only filter that out once. Doubling it up by leaving it on just makes everything harsh.

[@sXeSnowmansXe]

I'd be really interested to see a review of the Harley Benton G212-A FRFR cabinet with the stereo power amp. Kind of looks like a whole lot of good FRFR features combined into one unit, but there really aren't any reviews out there.

[@daniellaudman8580]

I was thinking about one of those as well

[@robertlibutti6605]

One thing I appreciate about Henning is he doesn't edit out his flubs. So many guys have cuts between every two words.

[@jdubbs9655]

Thanks for the reviews. I already picked up a Headrush FRFR 112 2000 Watt 1x12. I am going to be running a Crotch Kotex through it, with 5 & 6 string bass, keyboard, and baritone guitars. Just for live and rehearsals. Studio recording is a whole different requirement and the Headrush will not be used there. Keep Doing That Voodoo That You Do!

[@donnmontoya3397]

I spent too much time checking out and investigating the "right" FRFR speakers for my modeler. I have a Fractal Audio AXE FXIII w/ multiple outs for simultaneous FOH, on-stage speakers, and/or recording. I use either a CROWN XLS-402 or a CARVIN FET 1000 power amp(not a big fan of class D), both workhorses, and a pair of PEAVEY P-115 passive 2-way PA speakers for a stereo sound that duplicates what I hear in my headphones. This setup works anywhere, at any volume. Everything I bought used in Los Angeles via Craigslist(except the FRACTAL). Paid $100 ea for the power amps and $250.00 for the pair of PEAVEY's. I bought an extra P-115 for $99 that I could use for a monitor through the FRACTAL if desired(w/ a small power amp). Everything fits on a cart with two or three guitars and a bag for all cables, etc. I have no issues...

[@SilasoftheLamb]

Thank you for the review!! I love my Kemper which is the powered version going into a Dr Jekyll GuitarWorks 2x12 ported cab with Eminence EM12n speakers! So awesome but, I needed to hear myself more so I removed the back casters on the cab so the cab is at a angle!!! NOW I can really hear myself. It would be nice to have one of these facing me like a monitor. Thank you man again!

[@MrDavemiley]

These days , your monitoring system is just as important , or more so, than how powerful your guitar amp is. No matter what guitar amp I have used in the past 35 years, I always run a certain amount of my guitar amp into my monitor. mix I have had no need for anything more powerful than a 30 to 50 watt guitar amp. Though even when mixing my amps, I hear and feel the need for a 2/12 guitar cab over a 1/12. I just use either a QSC K-12-2 or K 10-2 whether I am on my Tube amp set up or my Kemper. I had an Atomic CL Neo for a short time, MY QSC , or similar , PA speakers pretty much makes the FRFR thing obsolete. This video was an excellent demo though. Certainly good information in case i ever decide to try another FRFR cab.

[@jorismak]

Got a pedal board with a victory preamp and an amp tweaker depthfinder after it. When I can make noise , it goes into a solid state Poweramp into a 1x12. When I need to manage volume or even use headphones, the pedalboard goes into an IR loader and into a Thomann t-box 108 something something. A 8" pa speaker ,which is enough for my room then.

[@keithamyx1215]

A musician who is also a THINKER. You're awesome MAN!

[@ScienceofLogicTV]

Two days ago I plugged my Joyo Oxford Sound into the FX Return of my Marshall DSL20CR (combo) and I got the best tone out of this speaker I've ever heard - at a reasonable volume. The problem is that once you do this with a combo that doesn't have a separate volume control for the power amp section, the preamp pedal will control the volume entirely with the power amp being fully on. And 0,25° on the volume control decide on room volume or hearing damage. So I think I just buy an IR Pedal, plug it into my old 12" Thomann wedge and enjoy playing. I would have used pedals with my Marshall onstage too, so screw it.

[@benjamincardenas4219]

I happen to have a Roland street cube 50w, if u use gear with a DC barrel input then u can power with a usb power bank with a bird cord from songbird, it’s better than the AA battery pack in the Roland bc it bypasses power saving mode. It’s pretty good with my mooer GE250 which is also battery pack powered for mobile use anywhere. 99% of powered speakers are AC input only, the Roland is the only dc and battery op. The street cube 50 is definitely more of a PA than an amp. It works great with modelers.

[@4142Wilb]

I use a Zoom G6 thru a SD power stage with Celestion FrFr and it’s good for what it needed for with out lugging around a 60lbs tube head and 100lbs 412 cabinet.

[@mirecmusic]

I bought the Headrush 108 for a personal guitar monitor on stage and i give it an A- only because it could tilt up just a little more as i use it up front near my ME80 pedal board setup.My amp is in back of me so i get a good front back tonal and volume response.It will not take the place of an amp.I played it both ways as a monitor and a stand alone amp XLR out to the house. As a stand alone it doesn't have the guitar amp feel nor the volume.Good cabinet though.

[@dezertson2011]

You always use cab emulation with FRFR speakers. I use the Celestion IR’s from a two notes cab and it sounds great.

[@reverendprophet]

i was out looking to see if I needed to buy a guitar head to power this old 4x12 i have and instead, I heard about FRFR then I found this video 2nd. And you saved me. I already have a pair of powered PA monitors. Boom. You just saved me at least a few hundred dollars.

[@deans.4705]

If I can run xlr right out of my modeler to the front of house P.A. and they are happy with the sound, it would make sense that any half decent P.A speaker should pretty much do the trick.

[@tonepilot]

Wish the RCF models didn’t need speakon for power. Standard IEC power cables are available anywhere. Speakon, not so much. Great review.

[@veitbartels7126]

Its powercon! Big difference ;) - See it from the otherside: Powercon is lockable, so you dont plug it out by accident.

[@zepp3lin]

I'm using my 9100 Marshall Power Amp 50/50 with 2X12 Speaker Cab, bypass the Cab simulation or IRs on my multi-effects and it sounded superb live. Alternatively, you can use any Guitar Amps or Combo Amps by the effects return to get into the power amp section.

[@atlaspath5803]

Well done - another good approach!

[@ulfvolz4798]

Almost to the day two years ago I had to make a similar choice and I went with the Behringer B112W. It sounds good (not necessarily great), has two inputs plus Bluetooth input and a basic tone control. And back then it was less than 200€. And can also be put on the side like a wedge monitor and most importantly it has a Boxeflansch! I‘m still happy with it. Maybe the tested wedges are better, but sometimes good enough is simply good enough.

[@88Nikoli]

A boxeflansch is indeed a necessity ! Lol

[@DKprojects9]

I have a pod go and originally bought it with a headrush 108, ended up returning the headrush and getting 2 studio monitors for stereo. I have now bought a bunch of IRs from multiple makers and even though I can get good sounds, I always find using a real amp and cab OR even just running my pod go into an amps fx loop return with IRs off sounds best. I always think there is something wrong with me and the way I'm doing everything cuz it seems like everyone (on youtube) is always recording and doing demos with IRs and other software on their computers but at home in my room playing...I think FRFR speakres w/IRs sucks compared to a real guitar speaker cabinet.

[@barbarafogle3541]

You may want to try a bigger location or smaller speakers. You may have sound being redirected. I'm not sure just my opinion.

[@RaxFx]

would have been nice to see a Friedman ASM-12 Active Monitor and the Harley Benton G212A-FR Active Cabinet, both in wedge format

[@jlbaxe]

I have the Friedman ASC12 cab….it is good but I have to dial out the bass-y-ness. I use a tube stereo amp and Friedman ported 1x12s with EVM12L 300w BLS speakers. I use Helix for effects mostly and Synergy Syn2 preamp in a loop. I had the same issue with my Axe fx 3, it sounded great through amp/cabs. I use an eq in a loop for the ASC12 cab and it is better and close to an amp in the room.

[@brucedickinson8993]

6:06 IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO GIVE AN REAL PERSPECTIVE ON THINGS! Please, all the time, touch the equipments, hold them, record in diferent angles with you in their sides... thanks!!!! Amazing

[@denomdemon]

Hardest channel name for me to remember and search for, but the results are always worth it.

[@EytschPi42]

Just search for HP42

[@denomdemon]

@@EytschPi42 well, shit…

[@IndyRockStar]

The line6 Powercab has retractable legs that lean it backward like a stage monitor. You right about the IR in the FRFR. I don't really like them, and I don't use them. I'd rather have one place to tweak everything instead of 2.

[@MusicheadRick]

I use an discontinued Atomic FR. It has a 6l6 tube. To get stereo sound I got a little laney extension frfr speaker. But man that Atomic sounds awesome!, That Atomic really gives a little exta with the tubes but still reacting very well to IR's. This frfr gives everything you want from a tube amp and give you the flexibility that comes with your unit. Mine is the Ax8.

[@williambronchick4350]

You nailed it as usual - sounds great, affordable, and CONVENIENT. No, it won't replace 100% your amp head and cab, but it gets you 90+% there, and for the audience and your bandmates, they can't tell the difference. So, ask yourself, "Is it worth dragging all my sh*t around to get that little extra that nobody else notices"??? My problem with modelers has always been relative volumes between patches. That's because like most people, I want to have 30 different rigs, when in fact, four will do you fine.

[@oootinanai]

Sound engineer here (mostly live). Listening and comparing these speakers to low volumes might not be the best idea in my opinion. When you got a PA blasting , a bassist with a 4x10 and a drummer hammering next to you, that extra power means a lot as it will also leave more headroom to push the volume up if you need it and keep some clarity. Peak power is a bit of a joke in the pro live sound world btw, as it can be cooked up to ridiculous levels. RMS power or dBspl specs are more reliable (also careful with the dB weightings, dBA is not the same as non-weighted dB values). I agree with the whole notion of your video here, but don't dismiss the power of the speaker altogether, especially if you're playing heavier stuff. Another thing to consider, if you're going the modeler way and your only concern is live gigs, you usually don't even need to bring a speaker along as most live venues will provide monitor wedges anyway. It's always good to have your gear along as a failsafe though...

[@GiveThemHorns]

I took this video to be about alternatives to the traditionally (i.e. guitar cab) packaged FRFR products, a la Line 6, Harley Benton, etc. for home use, thus the point about being angled upward in comparison to the L6 PowerCab. Naturally you wouldn't want to play a show with only a floor monitor pointing at you and you'd run a signal to the board. If you needed to play a show and you were responsible for sound (i.e. no house or group PA), then sure, these options may not be powerful enough

[@Scott__C]

I've done a lot of years of live engineering myself and I loathe the Peak metric from marketing people being tossed out, because an ill informed person will just get the highest number. It used to be that RMS was the reported figure, but for some companies it's hard to find.

[@TheZanger]

Lots of high end monitors are 15inch. But I sometimes had a mix of 12 and 15’s and used 12 inch monitors for guitar players, singers, keyboard players, horn players. For drummers and bassists a 15 can be handy but for guitarists and singers a 12 usually works better because it doesn’t need to be a 15 and in my experience a 12 doesn’t have the low end that you don’t need and even sits in the way somehow. My 2 cents: buy 1 for each bandmember except the singer who will be very happy if he/she/… gets 2. Maybe a small sub for the drummer and a mixer with a splitter to go to foh. That way you have your own monitor setup for smaller gigs and the desk for medium or even big gigs. I once even enjoyed an epica show from foh as monitor engineer on a festival because they had their own mixer on stage and also new how to use it and what they needed. But then again, on medium and big gigs let the pro’s do their job…

[@ryans9029]

I.don't underhand why you think this one needs a 12 and this one needs a 15.... They all have ears... And are needing to hear what the other players are doing.. Bass players don't need 15s anymore than anyone else.. Their monitor isn't going to require more bass response.. Than say the drummer or singer... Why would a singer need a 12 over a 15? The monitors should be EQed to.give what is needed... Regardless of being 12" or 15" driver..

[@mikeymouse7171]

one point/aspect is missing IMO in this comparison: Playing a high quality monitor wedge as a FFFR with a modeler in a „home“ or „live“/rehearsel situation is of a hughe difference! These speakers are capable and do the flat respond thing also at high volume! This means at low volume everything sound round and full and works very fine without tweaking with the low and high cut in the modeler/IR. At high volume these beasts (an I own the RCF NX10…) will amplify the bass with no mercy and as a guitarst you will get serious problems with you bass player. This not the fault of the monitor! But these things are not designed to work out of the box as a Guitar Amplifier. They are overqualified for this job and have to be tamed with low cut on order to work in a Band situation!

[@EytschPi42]

fully agreed, but I can’t test them in a live situation and I also won’t crank them up because I value my hearing. Evaluating them with hearing protection is kinda pointless, so this is the only test that made sense.

[@mikeymouse7171]

@@EytschPi42 yes this is of course difficult to consider in the test setup, but worth to be mentioned, since one will be may be disapointed using a high quality monitor causing a lot of problems just beiing to „good“.

[@officialpoa3171]

*That 800 watt Peek is no joke! when you get to professional Touring gig or a large festival, you need that power but more over,, you need to OVERHEAD/ HEAD ROOM, so you can assure to always hear your wedge over the rest of the PA and the audience WITHOUT running your wedge at 85%-100% every night and without running them so loud that they just start distorting...! For my rig I use 4 wedges...; 2 are for my actual guitar rig, which is a HYBRID between a PC with software and real pedals ETC the other 2 wedge monitors are for normal PA monitor mixing, however I don't mix any guitar into it, just everything else. the other thing is the wedges for the monitor mix are larger cabs cause 80% of the time they are 2way w/15", so a set of 10" wedges for my guitar right fits great with less floor space being consumed.*

[@mylesmaths7005]

95% of the time my band are running through our own PA which is Mackie subs + Mackie SRM450 tops. Lets face it, this is a pretty common top cab. Having an FRFR the same as your FOH cabs will mean what you hear is what the audience hears. When I needed an FRFR I realised I had an old Alto PS4HA in the garage that had a 1/4" input so I could use it BEHIND me like an amp angled at my head. The Alto PS4HA was Alto's attempt to copy the Mackie SRM 450. They are very similarly voiced. So what I hear is what the front of house is kicking out. It's easily loud enough (400 watt RMS so about 800 watt peak). By moving my head slightly I can get more or less treble as being so close to the speaker means that you can hear more or less of the tweeter depending exactly where you stand. I find that an advantage not a disadvantage. But here's the kicker - you can pick up an Alto PS4HA for about £50 on Fleabay. Rock on my guitar playing brothers. My all your solos be truly face melting and awesome.

[@PaulSmith91850]

I’ve been playing live for years with my Kemper and A Atomic CLR NEO and love it

[@Erock09291]

I use the Laney ir212 frfr cab with my Neural QC. I chose this option over the rest because it responds like a cab and projects like a cab, and at the end of the day it's all about the show. Stage volume isn't just for me, it's for the audience. If someone's side stage I want them to hear more than just drums. Same goes for people standing front and center. It makes sense to me to have as cab like of a response as I can get

[@DasOrakelspricht]

You made up some good points! 👍 In the end, they all are just stage-monitors. They all make you hear yourself, while gigging. They just have to be okay. Let's remember: The audience is listening to the sound of the "Ballroom-PA", not the sound of your monitor...

[@markhamstra1083]

They are not (or should not be) the same as stage monitors. Henning doesn’t know what he is talking about. Monitors and FRFR speakers serve fundamentally different purposes. A monitor needs to accurately reproduce sound in just one direction or in a very narrow angle. You don’t want a wide dispersion pattern from a monitor because you don’t want to be hearing other performers’ mixes on stage or have them hearing yours, or to need to worry about your mix being heard by the audience, bleeding into the mics, etc. If you are using them to reproduce sound for a whole room, then FRFR speakers need to be just just the opposite. In that case, you don’t want a flat, full-range response in just a narrow beam, but rather you ideally want everyone in the audience to hear the same thing. That means that one of the key differentiators among FRFR speakers intended for this kind of use is their off-axis response: how flat the frequency response is and how consistent the SPL level is across how wide of a range of angles, not just directly in front of the speaker or at one listening location. Most speaker manufacturers don’t give you the kind of information you need to evaluate or compare off-axis response, but there are huge differences in off-axis response among the various FRFR products and among other kinds of speakers, depending on their quality and intended use - which Henning didn’t really consider.

[@mikeymouse7171]

@@markhamstra1083 in theory yes, but all the mentioned monitors can be/shall be use also as PA Speakers. Thats why the can be mounted on stands. On the other hand a Marshall 4x12 is dreaded for its directional behavior (Marshall Aisel).

[@markhamstra1083]

@@mikeymouse7171 in terms of off-axis performance, maybe the reviewed products make reasonable FRFR and PA speakers, either as floor wedges or pole mounted. That would mean, however, that they are probably not great as dedicated stage monitors, as I think I’ve already explained. But it is impossible to know from this review what the off-axis performance of these speakers is. Just because a speaker can be mounted on a pole, I wouldn’t take that as a guarantee of good off-axis performance. Neither would I take the fact that a speaker is marketed as a FRFR or PA speaker as such a guarantee. Like I noted before, there are large differences in off-axis performance among speakers, even among those marketed as being similar products. Btw, the directionality of traditional guitar cabs is largely a result of their using 12” speakers to produce the entire frequency range. A large diameter speaker will be very beamy or directional when producing higher frequencies. The physics is the same for FRFR speakers that have only a single large diameter driver.

[@adityabali1939]

Can I ask, why would anyone use FRFR speakers in today’s times when the option of IEM is available at lower prices? They protect your ears and your complete mix (with/without metronome) is easily available for you and the whole band to stay tight. If you’re using amp+cab sims on your modellers, you just need to get one with XLR Out/carry an additional stereo DI box. Send the direct out to FOH console and the engineer will happily send an auxiliary out to your onstage mixer. From there you have the option to direct one output to your headphone amplifier which is hooked up to your IEM. The onstage mini mixer can be also helpful if the whole band is using a metronome One last point: IEM’s are ALMOST flat frequency. You will need to adjust the global EQ from your modeller OR on the onstage mixer The only reasons I can think of are: thump from the frfr speakers caused by air pressure (actually I don’t even know if that happens) and just having a “stage feel “ along with crowd noise. I haven’t played on stage since almost a decade and things have changed drastically. Why would people with modellers go the FRFR way when IEM is available? Even if you say “oh the sound is much better on FRFR” that’s a very case dependent situation when you’re on the stage. In the heat of action during a set PERSONALLY my only focus is to play as accurate as possible and with sync with bandmates as much as possible. Realistically speaking most of us won’t even have time to think about the subtle nuances on sound om stage. A set goes by so quick, most of the time goes on focussing to play without mistakes and in sync with the whole band. Lastly, the audience speakers are NOT what you will hear on the stage. That mix and sound is ENTIRELY in the hands of the on site live engineer. Only the audience knows how you sounded like. So why not just focus on being accurate with playing and with tempo?

[@MegaGuitman]

I gave up on caring around tube amps and cabs...i use the katana 50mk II ..i set the amp on stand by and take the line out into the headrush 108...i get a sound that's very satisfactory and my whole rig fits into my little Nissan car..the audience could give a rats ass as to what gear I'm using as long as my fingers deliver..which they do.

[@AudioAtmos]

This why I got a pair of QSC K12.2 and they sound great and have many mixing/routing and EQing abilities.

[@dancotterman1267]

All this new fangled equipment is pricey, cool though. For twenty years I have been using an older modelers, different Boss GT series, and after chasing tone settled on a clean SS combo amp with heavy duty 12” speaker through the FX return , Much easier on the back and it amplifies the sound sent to it. That’s it. I’m getting a Tonex and plan using the same way. Yes it’s simple and small my days of spending big on tube amps and premium tubes is over. They are getting harder to find so I leave it to the younger guys to keep those companies in business. Monitors are definitely a good option thanks for the video.

[@nedim_guitar]

Great, informative and fun video! I'm angeling my amp when I play because my ears aren't on my feet. 😁

[@EasyHeat]

Revisiting this just now? I did put on my headphones, and hilariously I just got overwhelmingly amused, albeit simultaneously a tad awkwardly uncomfortable whilst having you ASMR whispering soo close into each of my ears! LMAO! Do it again!! Ha! OMG! I honestly really needed that laugh today. Seriously... Thank you Henning! 💌

[@bartnettle]

Totally agree with you! Just buy a powered foldback wedge. I use a Peavey Renown 212, the original solid state

[@mark.guitar]

BluGuitar + nanocab. Very versatile. Very light. Very easy to set up. Tonewise, FRFR + Helix was blown out of the water in my opinion. Nice BS free zone as usual!

[@fiveeyes2802]

I am intrigued and a little envious.... Do you run the BluGuitar into Front of House and use the nanocab as your on stage volume / monitor? For practice, can you use the nanocab by itself without running into F of H? Is the nanocab loud without distorting? Thanks for the idea!

[@mark.guitar]

@@fiveeyes2802 Yes to all. It is a great tube amp with all the versatility and connectivity that you need. It sounds great down to "bedroom" levels, has speaker emulated line out, really classy reverb and a series parallel FX loop. The Nanocab is great up to about 50w Marshall head territory before it starts to complain (which sounds good but will not sound good for long!). 4x12 and you have a stadium rig. Got mine second hand for 450ukp.

[@ThomasFarrow]

i got 2 HeadRush 112 ..one big pair of earphones, and they go to 11!! lol! They were under $300 each.

[@j.jester7821]

I have a few modeling amps. They all sound decent, especially Tech 21 amps. Still in the end, nothing sounds as good as plugging into an analog tube amp that has a decent guitar speaker.

[@multimike2030]

I heard the question of why run a cab IR from the FRFR speaker....in my experience, using a cab IR in the modeler takes up processing power and for the most part, an effect block in the signal path of the modeler. Putting the cab IR in an external device of some sort will free up that block and processing power of the modeler, since I would assume for the most part you would use only 1 cab IR for the entire performance....unless you are, as Glenn Fricker would say, the asshole guitarist that uses 40 amp sims and 40 cab sims in your performance, which would be a nightmare for the FOH person. Great video as always though!

[@henkehakansson2004]

Very interesting assesment of FRFR. Why RCF didn't send you their COAX wedge monitors (fr fr too) beats me, but they are even more expensive. But anything coax is more compact because the tweeter resides INSIDE or in the middle of the 12" speaker. Or 10" for that matter. If I would like to go that way, I would choose a stereo system on the floor, regardless of that the FOH PA doesn't need it. And as it is with a 12 inch cab. Or 2 at that since it is in stereo. Reverbs and chorus effects comes in stereo. 12 inch because the added oomph and bass. As well as the modeller. Todays musicians uses DROP TUNE and downtuned electric guitars and multirange instruments like 7-8 strings and you're well into the bass range too. As well as modellers DO have settings for bass guitars, so the FRFR could double as a bass guitar rig, even for 5 strings basses with low B. On top of this (flaggin the 12") even if you use a regular tuned guitar, your effects in the modeller consists of many pitch shifting effects. Octavers? Pitch Shifters? Mono synths? That plays an octave lower than regular tuning, so it needs a 12" to produce low end thump. It's not only upper octaves used in pitch shifters. Also reverbs can display some boominess in the low end too. Also, you forgot to demonstrate one important facet, comparing to regular guitar cabs.... how can you do feedback on these, without letting the tweeter go into squealing? Can you JUST lean your guitar at the floor and the wedge speaker will feed back the regular way as a guitar cab?

[@veitbartels7126]

Heyho, NX Series wedges are coaxial, too. The TT+ series cant be bought online, so its kinda out of reach for most people. Also IMHO for guitar purposes NX-12 SMA fits better and TT25 CXA doesnt have any (for guitarists) useful features more. You'd pay almost the double for network capability, Polyurea-coating and less flexibility.

[@Scott__C]

Nice comparison, like the dual ear mic to hear the room. At the end, you say an amp will fill the room, but it will be upstage pointing at the audience, while a wedge most likely will be in front of you pointing at your head so they're serving different purposes. The amps were originally made that loud to allow the audience to hear the guitar. That's not necessary anymore. Not saying don't play an amp, but 100 watts is superfluous these days unless you're in a giant venue.

[@equaleyez]

Mhm.. The ANT ASM 10 won't be in stock for another 9-12 weeks on Thomann. Wondering how many people have bought it already after seeing this video. Great overall comparison Henning!

[@Tom-lv5rr]

It s full range ? It can t read it anywhere

[@bojames7841]

Curious that the Headrush frfr is missing from his lineup good powerful at a good price point and he didn’t mention it in his modeling pedalboard list. Things that make you go humm

[@XMetalChefX]

I think its cause Headrush uses a already existing speaker cab company butjgets a custom nameplate option. Dont quote me on that reasoning for him, just a known fact.😊

[@othermyke]

Ya the head rush is just an alto with a replaced nameplate

[@thegregramirezcovers]

Hey Henning, fantastic video. On this subject, I have a request for you to review the Harley Benton G212A-FR Active Cabinet - It's specced beautifully and is killing the price range of its competitors. Wondering if it's any good. The Thomann reviews are all top.

[@rafaarts6751]

Cool review, I went down the FRFR rabbithole once too, but in the end I asked myself why would I mimic the sound of a certain cabinet/speaker when I can have the real deal as well ... Even clean sound will do as good with a normal guitar cab. As far as IR's go I never bothered going from a 4x12 sound heavy sound to a 1x10 clean one ... Gruss Raf PS : foh get's the IR included, backline pure guitarcab

[@jeffp5730]

I love this demo format. I dont care what a mic'd setup souds like as i don't record. Im always interested in what it sounds like in the room which is ALWAYS different than how it sounds mic'd.

[@MusicTherapyLaz]

JUST what I need for my recent Fender Acoustisonic purchase! 😎🎸🤘🐦

[@threepe0]

This reminds me of the “for gamers” epidemic plaguing chairs, headphones, microphones, feckin drinks, etc etc etc… I really respect your opinion, and I think hearing this that it’s safe to chalk the “for guitarist” frfr market up as a pointless gimmick (I hope I’m not leaping too much or putting words in your mouth there.) What I think is unfortunate is that this whole sorta gimmicky market thing distracts from the (I think important) conversation around whether PA speakers can be a potentially better solution for some than a collection of cabs and speakers. I think this conversation was making headway with some power amp makers making flat response options but with features that targeted people who were coming from tube amps. You might think “thats the same thing,” but there’s a nuanced but important difference: these were just plain good amps made by industry leaders with some nice comforts built in for guitarists. What we have now is “jack of…none, master of none” territory.

[@MichaelRinus]

True about they are just powered PA/Monitor speakers. The comparison to the „real deal“ is a bit crappy though, as the IRs you’ll use usually are closed miking ones and therefore will always sound different than a box blasting your kneecaps at best. You can get around that generally by applying en EQ in the modeller (anyone really), to cut of the highs you’ll normally never hear with a proper lowpass- a tip you’ll find nowadays more and more on the usual modeller centric channels. With that you’ll get both: convenience and the blast you are used to. FOH might still like the normal IR sound more, so that’d be a modeller with 2 separate outs which could do that, or an additional EQ in front of the „FRFR“ or wedge monitor, if you like. I just got a pair of MF.10 which make me happy - when I do the same I just described.

[@gregholmberg2]

A lot of these are flat (+- 3 dB) only down to 70 or 60 Hz. This is fine for guitar, at least for a standard-tuned 6-string, where the lowest note is E2 at 82 Hz. However, for lower-tuned or 7- or 8- string guitars, and certainly for a bass (E1 at 41 Hz), this is not enough. You might be better off finding a good PA speaker designed to handle 41 Hz.

[@jaypii3222]

absolutly not true. important frequency for bass guitar start at 80hz because that is the first overtone of the 40hz. The reason is how humans process soundwaves. You can test the effect yourself if you compare the original bass guitar with a highpass filtered one. There is no PA speaker that go that low, you will always need a subwoofer for these frequencies. but it is very easy to add a subwoofer to an existing "FRFR"-Speaker

[@jakebergen1837]

@@jaypii3222 yep. Those are basically muddy frequencies anyway in a mix. You'd generally want to eq those super low frequencies out.

[@collierpj]

I bought a couple of Laney LFR112's you can angle it and feed FOH from it. Has an excellent amp in room feel also.

[@tumadsvids]

It doesn't mean 'Gives you Loud' it means Flat response. I.e. doesn't color the tone and not necessarily a P.A. Speaker at all but can be used as such. Also a guitar cab usually has ONE speaker (2, 4) that delivers all the tone spectrum and is capped at certain frequencies (has less range overall) that a guitar does not need to be at. A Flat response has at least a main driver and a horn to cover a much wider frequency spectrum in general. When you say 'bullshit' you are forgetting that some players want to hear more than a guitar cab can produce or want to combine that speaker with other inputs or sources. 35:12 -36:06 is the only thing I agree with here.

[@mrpagliero]

agreed ,FRFR is novel marketing of a pa cab ...and a 10" or 12' coaxial FRFR is NOT full range ...neither is a 12" FRFR with a piezo tweeter ,this become apparent when using guitar synth ...to hear the synths full potential one needs a sub -woofer... a three way speaker that includes sub woofer is what most sound technicians describe as the bare essentials of a FULL range system. The sansamp we use allows one to send out a speaker emulated output and a non speaker emulated output simultaneously ... probably other units do this as well ...with that in mind ... emulated or IR output goes to the desk ...the non emulated output goes to a sansamp power engine powered 2x12 cab which has a TUL dead center and a 57 off to the side ... and there it is ...pushing for real air with a REAL speaker and speaker IR /emulation captured at the same time.... sounds pretty darn good .... doing this with the Ampero and line 6 as well but with results not as dynamic as a ALL analog signal path . The sansamp being all analog has none of that gating going on ... with the all analog sansamp signal path and volume at one on the guitar ...picking lightly comes through crisp and clear.... finding most all modellers have the gate cut out the signal with guitar one one and picking lightly in high gain settings...also natural signal decay is limited...the fix is turn off the modellers gate (INSERT HISSING NOISE HERE)...OR .. use a analog path for gain staging with modellers for delay/modulation in a Fx loop ...but...I could be I am wrong and i am using the modellers incorrectly Back in the day (1984) I had a marshall plexi and a volume pedal and 2 cables ...the guitar was a old SG with one X2N pickup ,one volume control (1 meg pot) and a bypass switch for the volume pot so the x2n was going directly and wide open to the rig for leads... going from crisps clean to Black sabbath distortion was done with the volume pedal and the bypass switch ,delay was mixed in at the FOH ... I swear i could hear my fingers hovering over the pick up as i would barely graze a string. ... using a 3mm pick allows one to really nail the string ... using finger and pick gives one the ability to cover most any sound required ...and i did for 5 year on the road in pop /rock /metal cover bands. Please note that heavy 3mm pick (or a coin) combined with finger picking and neck relief that allow the string to vibrate at its maxim allows a full spectrum of clean and dirty sound with one amp setting ...no foot switching required . The Sansamp allows the set it and forget it of the one channel plexi big rig ...with the added bonus of by-pass ! Modellers with gates do not seem to be capable of letting me hear my fingers hovering above the strings and barely touch ,but perhaps again .. I am using these digital modelling device incorrectly... the all analog sansamp or simular all analog solutions seem to yield the widest control of dynamics. If ones music does not require "classical music level dynamic shifts "...then the modellers are great ...and i use them for music that falls under that description ... but it seems to these ears ... modellers are not the end all /be all tool ...a multi tool army knife is nice ...but a real screwdriver and pair of pliers is much better ...PERIOD. well for now ...a mind reading Ai Marshall multitool amp is under development. ....now that would taking the long way home. PS:The back in the day rig had a 4 x 12 marshall cab that was always laid on its back and aimed at the ceiling ...a sound proof baffle was placed over 3 of the 12 inch speakers ...the one un covered speaker had a mic .... the marshall was dimmed ....ahhh the good old days ... and they are back with most all of the compact ALL analog amp simulators that do not employ gates. Bottom line ...if you want it to feel good ...use a analog gain stage signal path, Amp and a cab indeed when possible . Favourite and most touch sensitive modeller patches found on Ampero preset 32-1 32-2 and 32-3 ( with current firmware update) but i still could not hear my fingers hovering over the strings ..lol. Henning your the perfect person to cut to the heart of the FRFR matter. Thank you.🎸 .... no lefty guitar emoji ...the struggle is real.

[@nethbt]

HEADRUSH is just a variant of ALTO, same manufacturer, same assembly plant...So depending on your needs ( ie a non gigging hobbyist) A PAIR of TX308 ALTO will will give you much better value compared to a SINGLE HEADRUSH 108 ($30 Difference)...Yes it's just 350W but that's plenty for home use compared to the 2000 watts for the Headrush.

[@grilledspaghetti]

I use my Headrush MX5 into my Katana on the "acoustic" channel and it sounds great. Just saying for anyone that owns one already.

[@travishernandez2193]

Thanks for the tip I’ll try it!

[@rodrigomendizabal2540]

X2, en el acoustic channel suena muy bien y se puede agregar el eq del mismo equipo. 👌

[@bernie_smith]

Absolutely love my Atomic Neo CLRs. Super wide audio dispersal, two inputs with switchable link through. 3 modes of operation: floor monitor, back line and on pole use, with corresponding DSP settings. They make a great small PA too and I also use them as studio monitors. Never played through a set of speakers of this comparable size where I can crank my acoustics so high before low end feedback sets in. Bass guitar sounds superb through them too. Not sure if they are still in production though?

[@Adipsia1]

Agree totally. I purchased my Atomic CLR some years back and it's superb in every respect.

[@DavidAllenMD]

love this video i just got the headrush frfr 112 for my pod express black i used my buddys 108 live ( i play deathcore) and it was great now i got the bigger one

[@TheBeatlesGuiseDuo]

Yes I've noticed many guitarists on a stage will blast out the room and the stage, which sounds bad. While their amp's sound is pointed at their legs they can't tell how crazy loud it really is to everyone else! Why so many won't just angle up the amps I can't understand. At 3:19, the big difference between a normal full range PA speaker/monitor, and the FRFR made for guitar, is probably the DI line out to FOH which can't be done (I guess?) from a PA speaker. Also with these guitar combo sized FRFR cabinets that have cab sims, since modeler pedals have cab sims built in already, you make a good point, just use them instead. It's confusing. Or why not use eq from inside the modeler to remove all the unwanted frequencies from a common "full range" PA speaker? So now it's basically simulating an FRFR. So if you already have a spare PA speaker, why not just use that and save some $erious buck$? Mostly all guitar amps have only lower wattage woofers and usually no tweeters or horns. FRFR have HF tweeters and the normal PA speaker has a bigger horn for HF. BOTH have high wattage woofers. It's sort of mixed up as to what is going to work well and SOUND like the "amp in a room" we all want. One more caveat is why couldn't you send your guitar MONO signal to both a speaker on stage and to FOH directly from the modeler? The bottom line is how it sounds, I'd better get to some testing. P.S. what about comparing an FRFR speaker to using a normal guitar amp, but through the amp's Effects Loop, with the 4 cable method? Of course you'd have to remove those cab sims that don't fit the actual cabinet (IE 2x12, 1x10 etc).

[@dave5655]

The power connection on the NX10 and NX12 is called a "Powercon". It looks like a "Speakon" but is keyed differently for safety purposes. My powered bass amp uses a Powercon and I've never had an issue with it. They are far more reliable than the common IEC power cable.

[@ElectricVillage]

Excellent video. I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts on using the ANT gear for bass.