EZ Drummer 3 VS Superior Drummer 3 | WHICH ONE IS FOR YOU?

[@matturner6890]

PROTIP you can route out the midi outputs of EZDrummer to subtracks in a DAW like Reaper and do the exact same thing Superior lets you do but with even more control, like fx automation, routing your own busses, faking room mics by duplicating, delaying & reverbing the OHs, etc etc etc

[@MakeTheMusic]

Yes, absolutely.

[@brenden9755]

Is there any video you could recommend on doing this?

[@msb1704]

sorry if im not understanding but routing it that way will give each element of the kit it's own track in your DAW? meaning you could mix the elements individually?

[@matturner6890]

@@msb1704 that's right! It's pretty much no different from how you'd mix a regular muti-mic recording of the drums. You can also (if you'd rather do it this way) print all the tracks from MIDI to Audio if you're more used to editing that way. I'm enjoying the ease of shifting the MIDI notes around using EZD3's brilliant new editing grid (my one reaper gripe is its clunky MIDI roll), but if you'd rather edit audio the old fashioned way or need to conserve RAM, that is possible too.

[@matturner6890]

@@brenden9755 I may have to make that video!

[@scotteepunk]

I use EZD3 as a virtual instrument, my kits are from the Pop Punk expansion pack, and I have a ton of plugins 🥁

[@MakeTheMusic]

The Pop Punk Kit sounds amazing!

[@JeremiahWept]

Pop Punk expansion pack is from EZD3 or where?

[@khudson4901]

Good vid, points. EZ3 for me. I see an inherent problem with SD3 you casually mentioned. The beginning stages, you don't want to spend hours over every piece of the drum mixing. That for the pre-final stage of the mix. The DAW provides that functionality. How could you finish the song if your obsessing over little piece at the beginning drum stage body of the song. Lets for the stalled creativity process. Big inherent work flow problem. I can easily image SD3 purpose for standalone, stage situations.

[@MakeTheMusic]

Great point. For me, I might use EZ Drummer 3 during my recording and songwriting process, and then later come in with Superior Drummer 3 and really fine-tune and build a drum sound. I also have many presets that I've tweaked in SD3 ahead of time to make sure I don't get bogged-down in endless tweaking.

[@khudson4901]

@@MakeTheMusic I'm the last to tell you what to do. Im just getting into it. Seems like a lot of up-front work that you will eventually need to do later. Mixing down the drums, and or mixing up the bass, guitar, clipping issues, etc. Anyway a lot of fun. I would like to use SD3 through a live solo stage PA type of project. Im thinking it's already designed for PA use. Good luck.

[@the_guitar_generation]

Awesome vid. Thanks for the breakdown. Thinking of ezdrummer 3 to create some demos and backing tracks for live solo performances

[@MakeTheMusic]

You're welcome. EZ Drummer 3 is perfect for backing tracks. Good choice.

[@lobbyrobby]

I'm fairly new to learning the drums. I have a Ronald td-17kvx2. I did buy some kits from the Edrum workshop. It looks like Ezdrummer would be the best for me. My question is how complicated is the program to use? Should I work on getting better at the drums before I pick this up or is there anything helpful in this for a beginner?

[@shahinmoshtagh6955]

Thanks!

[@MakeTheMusic]

You're welcome!

[@abc456f]

I bought ezdrummer 3 for $159. I live in U.S. but got it from a british site. No problems downloading it.

[@mathijazzz]

from where?

[@abc456f]

@@mathijazzz Thomann.

[@dr.darkroom]

Could have got it online for zilch

[@arly6316]

@@dr.darkroomwhere

[@richyrich9761]

Is there a problem with using SD3 from an external Hard Drive? I'm using a MacMini M2 with Cal Digit Thunderbolt 3 connectivity to an OWC External SSD and Abelton DAW

[@MakeTheMusic]

I store the SD3 files on an external hard drive, and as long as the path is set up properly it should work well. I haven't run into issues with it

[@brenden9755]

So will my expansion packs from ezdrummer 2 carry over to SD3 if purchased?

[@MakeTheMusic]

Yes, all EZX's

[@ZombiePenguinStudios]

i know you said that you can route things to your DAW piece by piece but, does it limit how many channels you can do that to? with GGD i can make as many channels as i need, but with MODO drums, it stops me at 16 channels just want to know if SDD3 limits that in any way? i just love having every piece as a separate track on my DAW mixing every piece that way

[@vespucci964]

excellent job...concise with good info and not a narcissist like so many others

[@MakeTheMusic]

Glad it was helpful!

[@codersexpo1580]

Can all the EZX Sound Expansions be used in SD3? Also, does it even make sense to purchase those EZX expansions to use in SD3 or just stick with the SD3 SDX expansions?

[@MakeTheMusic]

Yes, EZXs are compatible in SD3. Always check compatibility before purchase however.

[@codersexpo1580]

@@MakeTheMusic Is it worth it to purchase them though? I have a half dozen of the SD3 SDX expansions. What would be the value in getting any of these EZX'S?

[@aluminati9918]

Great review. I own both. Used EZD for demos for my band. When we went to mix for releasing, turned to SD. Especially when integrating live recorded drum parts. The tracker function is gold. Also comes with more stock drums. Still love EZD, but I ended up investing in lots of extra kits, so the total cost was probably higher than SD in the end. Both great!

[@MakeTheMusic]

Yes, both definitely serve a purpose. I love EZX's, because I can use them in SD3 as well!

[@aluminati9918]

@@MakeTheMusic Thanks for your comment. Yes, indeed, I use the EZX expansions in SD3, the Southern Soul and Funk Masters kits being favourites for my style.

[@AlMcManusMusic]

Great video! MIDI packs from EZD3 compatible with SD?

[@MakeTheMusic]

Yes they are!

[@kiillabytez]

ALL EZD expansions are compatible with SD3, but not visa versa.

[@MichelBarbaro]

Thank you! It helped me to decide!

[@MakeTheMusic]

Awesome, glad I could help!

[@dereksmallsuk]

Ezdr3?

[@MichelBarbaro]

@@dereksmallsuk None LOL. I'll stay with my NATIVE INSTRUMENTS KOMPLETE Drum packs.

[@kiillabytez]

Superior Drummer 3 is great if you've got the HDD space to spare. The Core SD3 library takes up 230 GB of drive space, opposed to EZD 3, which only takes 40 GB of space. The average EZX is under 20 GB, while the average SD3 expansion is over 100 GB and some climbing close to 200 GB, and that's for a single expansion! So, you can see how quickly an HD can fill up if you buy more than 1 expansion. In a finished mix, nobody will notice how many velocities each drum hit makes, they only know if the entire song sounds good or not.

[@brenden9755]

Can't you just load SD3 ton a external and run it off that? I have a laptop I want to try do that with

[@kiillabytez]

@@brenden9755 I mean, you can load EZD expansions inside SD3, so you can just skip the SD3 library and use it as a host for the EZD stuff if you really want the control without the ton of space required for it.

[@kiillabytez]

@@brenden9755 I would never run a sampler from an external, especially if there are GB of data it has to load into memory. You can expect your project to hang for a bit until it loads everything it needs.

[@brenden9755]

@@kiillabytez thanks for this

[@jllnkyxmcrg]

Very informative video. My question is can i use 2 roland TD17 module on EZD3 at the same time? Bec i want to build a monster kit. Thank you and more power.

[@MakeTheMusic]

Yes, absolutely

[@rolliser]

Beginner question... sorry! I'm looking for a sticks count in, witch i can't find in EZ Drummer2.. Is it available in EZ Drummer3? Thanks!

[@MakeTheMusic]

No, I don't believe so.

[@kiillabytez]

Yes they are. Look in your fills category. You could also draw them in your piano roll by hand, and it's so simple I can't believe someone even asked about it...

[@Utoober-yp7mf]

How about to use with electronic drums and for live performance?

[@MakeTheMusic]

It is possible.

[@joaquinodriozola4963]

very helpful thanks

[@MakeTheMusic]

You're welcome!

[@fatherofpearlmusic]

Hey man, love this video and definitiely keen to invest in a vi drum plugin, my query is whether ez drummer can be mapped to an electric drum kit, i know that it is possible with superior drummer but just wondering if the price tag limits something on that front. Im intending to use an electric kit to record and trigger a decent vi kit for home recordings without just relying on grooves / using the computer keyboard 😅

[@MakeTheMusic]

EZ Drummer 3 is compatible with E-kits (I've done it myself). Just check and make sure on the Toontrack website that your E-kit type is compatible with the plugin. Glad I could help.

[@jeffagoddard]

Thanks! I’ve reviewed Toontracks drum software and it’s the best, but still haven’t bought it. Here’s my dilemma/. I own Logic, Komplete 14, Spitfire Ab Laborial, Playbeat, BFD, etc. Just Logic includes 1,000+ kits in Drum Machine Designer, Drum Designer and Ultrabeat. Komplete delivers 9 full drum apps, including 600+ kits in Battery! I feel like I don’t really know what I already owe. Now, most are single sample kit pieces - there’s only a limited number of multi-sampled / multi-velocity layered acoustic drum kits - which is what’s drawn me to EZ Drummer or Superior. What’s your advice?

[@MakeTheMusic]

Go as far as you can, creating songs with the tools you do have. If you feel like the final production is lacking in the drums department, then look into getting EZ Drummer 3.

[@KevinZ2269]

Can EZ drummer 3 do positional sensing on the snare like Superior drummer ? Thanks

[@MakeTheMusic]

No, that would be more of an SD3 thing.

[@KevinZ2269]

@@MakeTheMusic I saw a post in tunetracks website that said they added positional sensing for EZ drummer ? That’s why I’m confused. I don’t have the program yet so it’s hard yah for me to know

[@MakeTheMusic]

I haven't researched that aspect, I would contact toontrack's team to find out more.

[@KevinZ2269]

@@MakeTheMusic that would be nice. They are hard to get ahold of. Email only. No number. But I will try. Thanks 🙏 .

[@dereksmallsuk]

Ezdrummer 3 all day long.

[@MakeTheMusic]

True!

[@slimannaciri694]

Hey ;) I’m looking to produce professional tracks to send to my sound engineer for mixing. Is superior drummer worth getting in my case ? I won’t be mixing the drums myself but I want to provide him with the best sound and options for later down the line. The genre is folk/indie. Cheers !

[@MakeTheMusic]

EZ Drummer 3 and SD3 are both really good options. If you want a lot of control over sound design, then I would get SD3, but if you want something cheaper and easier to uses, go with EZD3. I would listen to demos of both software's and see which kits you liked the sound of best!

[@slimannaciri694]

@@MakeTheMusic Thanks for the insight 👌 Do you regard Logic Pro drums as inferior sound wise ?

[@MakeTheMusic]

I would try using the drums in a production, and if you don't like the sound, upgrade your kit.

[@kiillabytez]

@@MakeTheMusic I've found that the Hard Rock EZX will work in any genre and blends in with almost any mix with minimal fidgeting. I've been using it for over the past few years and though I own many drum libraries, it's always the one I end up using in all my songs. Great Dane is a perfect preset for any song I want to make because it's punchy and sounds open at the same time while the cymbals aren't piercing and sound good in my mixes.

[@WesleyGerald-o5y]

Elmer Cliffs

[@ChrissyAllen-yu1mc]

Larkin Village

[@KarenJones-g5k]

Smitham Valley

[@Bozo_Ladrao_de_rolex]

I see no reason to up grade to SD3. EZD3 is amazing

[@MakeTheMusic]

EZD3 is really solid. You have all you need for sure

[@kiillabytez]

I can't see the HD space and financial cost being offset by a superior product. If you've got the drive space and money to burn, then go for SD3, but you don't NEED SD3, when EZD3 does everything you need it to do to create quality Masters.

[@tobbebergman7583]

I've had Superior Drummer 3 since it arrived and it has been riddled with bugs and I keep finding bugs almost every time I use it ! Can't say the developers listen to the users suggestions ! Be aware ! It's worth a quarter of the price !

[@MakeTheMusic]

Sorry your having issues, I haven't experienced too many bugs myself.

[@tobbebergman7583]

@@MakeTheMusic Well it depends on what requirement you have ! The interface has tons of issues ! Toontrack devs seems to be living in the late 1980's ! Maybe they should have a look at a modern interfaces like Studio One to be able to see what users nowadays are used to !

[@kiillabytez]

Exactly what bugs? It's like saying "My Dell computer crashes every time I turn it on, never buy a Dell computer." Sounds more like a P.A.K. problem to me. Person At Keyboard.

[@tobbebergman7583]

@@kiillabytez I have a long list of bug and suggestions but Toontrack doesn't give a shit about it ! There are great features but there are also terrible things just take the GUI which partly seems like a mid 1990 GUI ! There wont be a Superior Drummer 4 for me ! I guess there is a reason behind the fact that there aren't any Demo version !

[@kiillabytez]

@@tobbebergman7583 Still not gonna list any of those bugs? Go back to your hole, and wallow in your own self pity then.

[@kiillabytez]

Superior Drummer lists for $239 while EZdrummer lists for $99. There's really no reason to get SD3 when EZD is just as good for less than 1/3 the price and size as SD3.

[@adammassacre4715]

Although EZD3 sounds great it is nowhere near the MONSTER SD3 is and I'm pretty sure those are crossgrade prices 🤔

[@DigitalConfusion1]

It is not $99 as that is just the upgrade price.

[@kiillabytez]

@@DigitalConfusion1 Go to their web site and check those prices again.

[@decaenofficial]

Krimh Drums

[@jtwidmer]

100%

[@craigoryjones9684]

The $300+ price tag is the moment I stopped watching lmfao. IDC how much better/worse Superior is vs EZ

[@MakeTheMusic]

It's a steep price tag for sure. It may not be worth it for many.

[@nukenoly8751]

All the EZ plugins are amazing !

[@MakeTheMusic]

Agreed! What's your favorite?

[@casearedotcom]

I use ezdrummer plugins inside superior drunmer and i can equalize over thats sounds

[@MakeTheMusic]

Good work!