F-14 Tomcat And F-15 Eagle,Which Is More Powerful?

The F-14 Tomcat and F-15 Eagle are two of the best and most attractive fighters ever designed.Even though there has never been a true Tomcat vs Eagle battle with live weapons fired, parallels between these two renowned aircraft have been made since their maiden flights.

[@Richborg44]

Both aircraft are great aircraft, but as he said, different missions. I worked on the Tomcat for 4 years. Yes they required a lot of maintenance, but they do have to slam onto a moving, piching deck stopping in a very short distance. Also get yanked off the deck going 0 to 160 in 2.5 seconds. Lots of battles dealing with salt water, the very bad weather while sitting up on deck and the corrosion. Many countries bought the F-15 and gave it a great combat record. The Iranians bought the F-14A Tomcat and shot down over 150 Iraqi Migs with the Tomcat in the 80s during the Iran-Iraq war. What I witnes first hand daily was the Tomcat hitting the flight deck as the fuselage would flex a lot, no way the F-15 could do that. Over all, both are great aircraft and both have great pilots. Go Navy, Go Air Force. We are all a team and family no matter what uniform we wore.

[@c2dvr]

Wow.The F-14 dominance,despite it's lack of engine thrust.I believe if it was upgraded,it could still dominate the skies.Not to be biased being an ex F-14 squadron mate.Although I do admire the F-15.Mc Donnell,and now Boeing have a great jet in the F-15.

[@ColonelJohnmatrix1000]

With the F-15 on most occasion’s, under 15000ft I could out turn the Tomcat. However, above that altitude the F-14 had the edge. We only ever played against the Naval boys once a year from 89-96. Great memories.

[@stevenspilly]

​@ColonelJohnmatrix1000 why did the F14 have the edge at higher altitude?

[@drumguy1960]

" F-14A Tomcat and shot down over 150 Iraqi Migs". I'd LOVE to see where you got that information.

[@stevenspilly]

@@drumguy1960 Iranian Air Force

[@warrenbelford6508]

I was an avionics technician in VF-74, F14 squadron. Been to Nellis many times. The AWG9 radar and aim54 missile system was way ahead of its time. When you're on a ship thousands of miles from anywhere, the capabilities to shoot down multiple targets before they get to the ship is important between superpower navies. With the USSR collapsing and future needs changing towards terrorism my bird was no longer needed. Upgrades where unnecessary because we already had the f18 platform to meet that need. Still, I loved being on the flightdeck watching them launch. Best years of my life.

[@JohnCenteno-pw5bb]

I was an AT from an F14 Fighter Sqadron based on the Enterprise in the 80's also. I loved it too.

[@txflydude]

The video was enjoyable but contains some inaccuracies. The TF30 engines of the Tomcat was inferior to the F100 engines of the F-15. The F-15 engines produced greater thrust than the TF30 engines and did not suffer the performance issues of the TF30. The TF30 engines were originally produced for the F-111 which was a bomber and therefore the engines lacked the responsiveness and reliability of engines produced for fighters. That is why the TF30 was eventually replaced by the F110 engines.

[@JohnCenteno-pw5bb]

That's what I thought it said.

[@hoghogwild]

F-14 enjoyed a lookdown shootdown track 24 shoot at 6 capability that wasn't matched for over a decade. Then once it started bombing it enjoyed similar advances in the mud moving business. the US Navy certainly got the most out of those airframes.

[@TomcatE303]

F-14 had the best radar till the F-22 entered the service 2005.

[@Trixie-p9k]

The 14 had the awg9 and awg15 weapons system it couldn't be touched back then by any fighter.

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

@@TomcatE303you can’t actually believe that

[@TomcatE303]

@@bruhhhhmoment4848It is not about believing it is a fact.

[@kaijenkins4513]

To say the F-14 was superior to the F-15 because of its long range is disingenuous because for one the Phoenix missile was good against fighters unless they had no capability of being aware of the missile, the AIM-7 Sparrow on the F-15 was better. Secondly the F-14’s engines in the beginning were unreliable and gave the Tomcat a less thrust to weight ratio compared to the F-15. And third the F-15 did have long range BVR capability, it made its name in it, it’s just that the F-14 was better with its more powerful radar. In conclusion, the F-15 was better against fighters while the F-14 was better at taking down bombers and high altitude, high speed interceptors and reconnaissance platforms like the MiG-25. This is not to say that the F-14 wasn’t a good dogfighter.

[@pvsheridan]

If anyone is babbling "disingenuous" goo, it's you. As anyone truly familiar with the TF-30 fiasco knows, it was ANOTHER disingenuous sort by the name Dick Cheney who enforced the P&W contract upon the US Navy and Grumman, neither of which wanted anything to do with the 'flat and level' Air Force oriented F-111 engine development criteria; the Navy and Grumman knew better but got temporary overruled by a politician who notoriously dropped-out of college....a proverbial high schooler. But let's get to some more of YOUR disingenuous goo....as is ALSO well known, the reason for the "unreliable" as you disingenuously label it, was precisely because of the 'flat and level' issue . . . those P&Ws were NEVER MEANT TO BE IN A FIGHTER THAT IS ON RECORD OF SUSTAINING AN INCREDIBLE 11.5 Gs IN COMBAT !! (Yes, you read that correctly, and I welcome a challenge.). That is to say.......the "unreliable" slander had nothing to do INTRINSICALLY with the F-14 (as you ostensibly assert), and everything to do with political crap. On honest post would have included the fact the engine core for the original F-14 and later the F-15 was the same: the P&W F-100. But this really confirms not just your bias, but your deep ignorance, quote, "In conclusion, the F-15 was better against fighters while the F-14 was better at taking down bombers and high altitude, high speed interceptors and reconnaissance platforms like the MiG-25. " Laughable. Try telling that garbage to the receiving end of the F-14As (yes....with those "unreliable" TF-30s) . . . the receiving end? Over 180 kills by the Persians (Iranians) versus the Iraqis. But don't be so naive as to expect that we'll get the whole truth from . . . *the American side of this history* . . . since the fall of the Shah remains . . . once again, a political priority. In any case Col. Fereidoun Ali-Mazandarani would like to have a word with you....search KZbin for Combat aircraft pilot: Interview with sixteen kill Grumman F-14 Tomcat ace I could go on.....but let's go here......try landing and taking off from a flat top with your land-lubber smooth asphalt runway lovin F-15....it'll break in half. *And oh, before we let you get away with another disingenuous comment .... that October 1977 shoot out over Nellis AFB between the Tomcat and the Eagle.......what engines were in the F-14? Just askin.*

[@Savage_Viking]

Both great aircraft. F-15 definitely my favorite. F-14 was great for it's time but it's main threat to carriers essentially went away and the Navy just wasn't willing to pay for such an expensive aircraft and maintenance hog. Maintenance down time means less aircraft ready and available. It's an understandable decision. Everything comes down to the bottom line. Both beasts of aircraft. Like the video said the main difference was the AIM-54 and the AIM-120. Love them both but they each had their time in the sun. F-15 won't be around forever either. Waiting on the new NGAD to take shape.

[@mrp8488]

The threat is re-emerging in the form of China. The Navy is once again in need of a fast, long range, fleet defender.

[@TomcatE303]

In fact Navy would have wanted to have more (at least 132) F-14D's but the political decision-makers did not. F-14 was "maintenence hog", but in return it outperformed Hornet and Super Hornet easily. There were some missions that only F-14 was able to make due its long combat range. Yes, F-15C will be retired 2026. And it if F-22 programm would have been realized as first planned they would have been gone a lot earlier.

[@simonhunt9152]

tomcat is the v12 lamborghini of thesky and always will be.... JUST LOOK AT IT!!!❤❤❤❤

[@airforcex9412]

Agree. The F-15 is the Ferrari Enzo, though.

[@sebastien3351]

The F-14 Tomcat is a bomber interceptor #1 and a fighter #2. To intercept missile carrying bomber anti-ship missiles before they can launch these missile at friendly ships. As a fighter to escort friendly attack aircraft over hostile airspace. The F-15 Eagle was designed as an air superior fighter 1st and a bomber interceptor fighter #2. The F-15 Eagle was designed as an air superiority fighter first, to hold large areas of airspace under its control, free of enemy fighters and an interceptor second, a subtle but distinctive difference.

[@maureencora1]

Touche' (smile)

[@DustinGlandon]

If they would of made the upgraded f14 it still would of dominated.

[@frankh.5378]

Bot true. It's maneuverability lacked even with the latest tech with 200mill/unit price.

[@lesfaust9634]

Just upgrade the engines with the rest of the plane...

[@weiyangtan9552]

But to me. F-14 is the most beautiful fighter aircraft ever built

[@gast128]

Not sure about this video. If the F-14 would have outperformed the F-15 in every aspect the latter wouldn't have been developed in the first place.

[@patfer1189]

But that is a misreading of the situation at the time, and confusion that just because one was called "15" it was meant to replace "14". By your logic the F-15 wasn't good enough reason why it got immediately replaced because the F-16 was developed. Each division of the Armed Forces wanted their toy tailored to their needs. In fact the initial idea was to develop a single platform for all, but this proved at the time difficult and so each one got to have a say on what they wanted and needed out of their planes. The Navy got what it needed out of the F-14 program. The Air Force got what it needed out of the F-15 program.

[@gast128]

@@patfer1189 The video is about the F14 vs F15 not about the F16. The F16 is developed with different requirements while the F15 was developed after the F14 with similar requirements.

[@patfer1189]

@@gast128 It doesn't seem you comprehended my post since I merely used the F16 to make a point about the logic of your point. And yes, the 14 and 15 had "similar requirements" : they both had to be able to fly.

[@gast128]

@@patfer1189 I repeat myself: the F-16 had nothing to do with the discussion: The F-16 was part of the Lightweight Fighter program which had vastly different requirements than F-14 and F-15. The video was about the F-14 being superior in every way which is suspicious and most probably incorrect. Further commenting is wasted energy if you state that 'the only similarity between F-14 and F-15 is that they are both airplanes'.

[@Daedric16]

@@patfer1189the logic in your post is non-existent.

[@andrewjackson673]

bombcat bias is strong in this one.

[@AquilarDeherda]

Bias?? Toward the F-14 (in this video)?? Maybe you should get your ears checked. This garbage report is an apologists rant in favor of the F-15 . . . and it STILL falls short.

[@gaittr]

50 years later which one of these two planes is still standing and flying? I think we have our answer and I think you're wrong and your analysis

[@Karadjanov]

That is an incorrect conclusion. Politics play a much bigger factor than actual Aircraft performance. The F-14 frame provides much more capabilities than the F15. If the F-14 had gotten the updates in technology it would have been way ahead of the F-15 till this day. The F-15 managed to surpass the F-14 only after decades of upgrades and even then it was still close. The only thing that made the F-15 better was that it was much cheaper.

[@Wrangzilla]

The F-14 lived an extremely hard life and was never meant to last as long as the 15. Taking off and landing on a carrier, coupled with the harsh environment of salt water takes a much greater toll on the 14.

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

@@Karadjanovno it wouldn’t have

[@dne9394]

The Phoenix, with great range, is essentially worthless for fighters. Intended for bombers. The F-15 is superior for air to air with ANY aircraft of the 70s, 80s and 90s….well into the 2000s.

[@jimlamb5508]

did you watch the video? F-15 dead before it ever saw the F-14.

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

@@jimlamb5508the video is incredible biased

[@davidbell1619]

Ignorant people being people. Fighters die before they knew what hit them . F14s prime mission.

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

@@davidbell1619 what

[@richardjensen7186]

You say of the F-15, "It had a good combat record." Uhhh... what would an EXCELLENT or SUPERB or FLAWLESS combat record look like? If ever there was a time to employ hyperbolic adjectives, it's when referring to the F-15! And, BTW, I am SICK of these robot-narrated videos. Sorry, but this channel lacks credibility on multiple fronts.

[@Bobby-hq7nz]

Its all about the Drivers of both F14 Tomcat and F15 Eagal

[@stephenwaters8275]

The tomcat is so adored and loved that people won’t say that she’d lose but the people saying the tomcat would win know deep down they’re crazy for saying it! The eagle isn’t undefeated for no reason! I’m one of the people that don’t wanna say that the tomcat would lose but this battle would most likely end with yet another victory for eagle!

[@TomcatE303]

I like F-15. But In fact F-15c would not survive againts F-14D (or F-15A against F-14A ). It would not get change to get to dog fight with it because F-14 would detect it earlier with its more poweful radar and it would shot it down first with its long range AIM-54. Even if it would get near, F-15 has been documented to lose to the F-14 in the mock dogfight. You can read about it from FLIGHT International, 26 November 1977 issue.

[@georgejones-e6t]

The Eagles could outclimb Tomcats but the AWG-9 radar had no equal[at the time] and Tomcat could out turn it low and slow due the the swing wing.Quite a bit depends on the pilot and loadout.

[@TomcatE303]

@@georgejones-e6t AWG-9 in a F-14A and B and then AN/APG-71 in the F-14D where the most powerfull western radars untill F-22's AN/APG-77 entered to service 2005. Also the AIM-54 has a significantly longer range than AIM-120.

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

@@TomcatE303your logical is so flawed and the phoenix was meant for bombers unless the fighter had absolutely no idea that it was fired on it could easily dodge it

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

⁠@@TomcatE303your bias is insane, the phoenix was not that good it was meant for slow bombers who could not dodge. And the f15 and f14 are extremely close in flight performance with the f15 being slightly better in the 1 circle and f14 in the 2 circle it would come down to the pilot, and the f14’s radar was more powerful but the f15’s radar was more advanced.

[@brianross4190]

I’ve flown F14 and F18 Super Hornet. I would take my F14 over anything including today’s planes . You’d have to drive an F14 to understand this !

[@TomcatE303]

Did you flew F-14B or F-14D?

[@heldbymynutsacsplight2663]

He never flew either

[@andrescano7006]

The problem is: you would never know an F-22 stalked you until your wing was blown off.

[@georgejones-e6t]

@@andrescano7006The burnthrough range is 30 miles. Depending on available ECM stealth can be tracked within that range.

[@andrescano743]

@@georgejones-e6t The Tomcat couldn't track the F-22, if the Eurofighter Typhoon couldn't. Stop holding on to antiquated dreams, as in that Top Gun 2 sequel. They scrapped the F-14 because it wasn't worth the resources.

[@williamanacker5571]

Finally somebody got it right with these fighter jets. Just like are special forces they have different jobs or missions in every military branch to carry out.

[@rodhc6740]

Great vid, I bet if the F-14 was still developed further and unretired, it would surely beat the F-15, the Super Tomcat would def reign

[@enigma0876]

Nah, the f15 was designed for air superiority.

[@thunderboltcougar5626]

​@@enigma0876f14 also designed as air superiority.

[@thunderboltcougar5626]

F14a already beat F15a even during Aceval/Aimval in both BFM & BVR (w/ no aim54 phoenix allowed). But by the defense budget's cut for Grumman, the development of F14 was slowed down & stopped pretty early of its life, prompting the Grumman to find foreign customer (Iran) so they have (limited) funds for its development. But even those weren't enough, since DoD want to remove all Grumman's product from carrier operation. Considering how they had performed in their early variant, a matured of advance Tomcat surely will have much better performance than the Eagle. In the other side F15'r continuously upgraded & developed into a powerful war machine.

[@rodhc6740]

@@thunderboltcougar5626 yeah if it wasn't for those contracts and everything that ended the production of the f-14, it would catch up to the eagle but rn the f-15 is still one of the best fighters today

[@airforcex9412]

You’re assuming that the F-15 couldn’t get those same upgrades. The F-14 was extremely unreliable. All things being equal, the F-15 was THE air superiority fighter.

[@Artty-fl8ul]

Very informative, thank you.

[@dne9394]

The irony is that the F-15, later, could have been modified to carry/use the Phoenix missile.

[@alcatraz0643]

1 missile in middle not 6

[@alcatraz0643]

+ even in F14A was aim120 tested and with software upgrade it was able to fire that, so aim120 wasnt clear advantage because tomcat could fire that too, not mentioning tomcat had always AG capabilities, F15 Didnt and of course F14s had datalink, f15 were rellying on awacs. and apg71 in tomcat D had many similiar parts with F15s pg70 radar and hud in tomcat D was similiar to hornet + those guys were teaching hornet guys.

[@take5th]

I worked on the f-14 as a structural design engineer for a few years in the 1980s. It is a GREAT aircraft. The f15 has a different mission. Others have accurately described the mission and environment of the f14, but the f15 is supercool….it shot down a satellite! I would not like to face either of them as an enemy.

[@Герман-у8г]

Я помню этот эксперимент со спутником. Это произошло где-то в 1884-85 годах. Когда при помощи противоспутниковой ракеты F-15 осуществил эту миссию. Это было впервые.

[@michaelwong4303]

Both are excellent planes. Nothing from other countries can beat those 2 😊

[@abelgarcia5432]

Both F-14 & F-15 are great planes, but I chose F-15. Although if the F-21 were around it might beat the F-15 as it is an improved F-14D with more powerful engines.

[@i-on-u]

Navy Pilots rules!,….”it’s not the plane, it’s the pilot”…you said it @11:19, Navy pilots tended to be more daring and quality pilots than the Air Force pilots…..Navy win ratio during the exercises 25:1.

[@airforcex9412]

😂 Check our who has the better “real world” record. It’s not even close.

[@abbiebeast]

Nice video, would be better in my opinion with a real voice providing the narrative.

[@kwgm8578]

They're never going to fight each other. What's the point? When was the last F-14 used? 2005 or 2006. What is the relevance?

[@frankmiller95]

Exactly. Lots of blowhard ignoramuses on this thread. Unfortunately, that's all too common when the comments come almost entirely from people who will never even get close the any these aircraft, except in their fantasies.

[@stangundam01]

will you also do a comparison of the 14 & 15 to the current 15ex & what would've been the super-tomcat 21/22?

[@cnftnf]

Apples and oranges, to an extent. The Eagles could not be used for the Gulf of Sidra for example. But there are many advantages for either one. Thank goodness we had both.

[@ryanslauderdale]

"I FEEL THE NEED..." ah, forget it, you guys already know it by now.

[@alleniirby9560]

Downfall of the F-14 was the maintenance hours to keep it in the air

[@bskiez]

Most of the comments haven't watched the video before commenting or somehow it didn't register. What most are saying doesn't add up at all. Thanks for the video. Appreciate the education.

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Very interesting for sure. I had always considered the F-15 better then most other fighter planes. The F-15 and The F-18 were both originally McDonnel Douglas planes. Imagine if what we know as the F-16's and F-18's were the oppisite. Now since the (J)oint (S)trike (F)ighter program we have the 3 versions of the F-35 ; F-35'A USAF model , F-35B US Marines and F-35C US Navy. Also the F-35's are sold to and co-developed with our Nato Allies. Both the F-14's and F-15's had a very hard time trying to detect and track the SR-71's even when the SR-71's were " dumbed down " so that the pilots for both branches could try to intercept the SR-71's but both sets of pilots had difiiculties in doing that.

[@gaittr]

As a pilot I totally disagree

[@drumguy1960]

Yes yes yes perhaps at their release date the F-14 was superior BUT later versions of the F-15 were vicious. Simple truth is the F-14s just didn't have that many air-air engagements, records do speak volumes 104-0 kill to loss ratio says it ALL. Both were phenomenal planes though!

[@patkarp1965]

F15 record us 103 confirmed kills 0 Losses. F14 record is 130 confirmed kills 4 losses. This means F15 have about a 5% better record then F14.

[@Bluewolf-xi3ct]

WRONG.........the F-14 kills are well over 180............nice try bozo.

[@sgoell75]

F15 has over 30,000 pounds of thrust way more than the F14 and F14 is maintenance intensive

[@nelsontipton4443]

No Doubt that the F-14 would be the Boss today❤

[@thomascook5368]

There were tests done when the Tomcat first began service. Its performance was determined to be "marginally better than the F-4." To claim that its performance was even slightly on par with an F-15 is laughable... By the way, the Phoenix missile was not effective against fighters, it was for non-maneuvering targets - ie. bombers, cruise missiles etc.

[@gordonsmith5589]

If you are talking about American jets, stop using metric measurements FFS……

[@captainhellhound7451]

Oh no, how dare he use the system that most of the world uses and even a lot of US business use

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

Maybe bc that’s what the military used?

[@budwhite9591]

Two different aircraft two different missions. Tomcat is kinda bigger than the F15, and the first gen 14 was lacking in the engine department. My grandfather was a chief at Eglin AFB in the 1990’s and 1997 we got on base for a 4 of July celebration, and one of their own F15’s went to the sky to give everyone a show and boy did he. He pointed the nose up, flames were about 6 times as long as the airplane itself and it shot straight up out of sight

[@aryanmn1569]

I say f14, there was a reason shah of Iran did all sort of lobbying and stuff to buy F14s, while F15 was an option as well.

[@tuscarora5457]

It's just politics. Once Boeing bought McDonnell-Douglas and took over production of the F-15, and all variants, as well as the F/A-18, and all variants, they could start to manipulate both the Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps. In the mid-80s, most of the aircraft sitting on a carrier's decks were made by Grumman. There were almost always a couple of aircraft types made by other companies, such as Vought, Lockheed, and McDonnell-Douglas. With the Hawkeyes, Greyhounds, Intruders, Prowlers, and Tomcats, Grumman pretty much created the whe Air Wing, other than the helicopters. These days, the decks of U.S. aircraft carriers are covered with aircraft made by Boeing, except for the E-2, C-2, and the helicopters. DICK Cheney drove the nail into the coffin of the F-14. The retirement of the F-14 has left a gaping hole in the ability of a carrier strike group to defend itself. This hole won't be filled until after a U.S. aircraft carrier is sunk or severely damaged by current adversaries. Only then will the top brass be screaming for an F-14 again.

[@captainhellhound7451]

The F-14 was an interceptor first of all, fighter secondly. The F-18 with AMRAMS, 9Xs, and the gigantic amount of ship-based anti-air defense in a carrier group is plenty. Subs are a bigger threats to carrier groups still. The F-14 was retired because it was an expensive bitch to maintain. For 1 flight hour an F-14 needed about 40-60 man-hours of work done. In comparison the Super Hornet averages 15 man hours. The only thing off the top of my head that is substantial worse is the F-111 at 80 man hours per flight hour. Guess what was the major issue, swing wings. There’s a reason you don’t see swept wing designs anymore.

[@knightsofstjoan2004]

F-15 for the Philippine Air Force and F-14 for the Philippine Navy.

[@czhusky]

F-14 have been built for NAVY had too many compromises to make it aircraft worthy. F-15 was the US supreme air dominance pure AIR FORCE and no compromises.

[@uryahcosgrove8625]

I love this video first. We have sat relay no need for extra high altitude planes which makes it a good aircraft for our future 🎉

[@uryahcosgrove8625]

The shape of the f14 is centered with your arms arched like a eagle

[@lesfaust9634]

I would love to see the F14 tomcat Come back as a gen 6 fighter... new radar, stealth ,engines and weaponry..... plus tough enough to land on an aircraft carrier!!...... I wouldn't mind paying taxes for that!!

[@captainhellhound7451]

The “stealth” portion is the big issue. To make it stealth you’d likely have to redesign it so much that it wouldn’t look like a F14 anymore

[@lesfaust9634]

Any time baby!!!

[@sonnyburnett8725]

Very good and detailed video. Thanks

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

Very biased video

[@mchoover1]

This is definitely an F-14 propaganda video. The Tomcat did have better BVR range than the Eagle but in an old school dog fight the Eagle is the superior. This is the reason the F-15 was developed. Current warfare does not require many up close and personal dog fights but if it were needed.. the Eagle wins. Sorry Navy go Air Force.. In the end... both are great, just Eagle greater. lol

[@hoghogwild]

Take the dogfight down low and see what happens. Each jet has its strengths.

[@AquilarDeherda]

"This is definitely an F-14 propaganda video." Maybe you should get your ears checked bozo-boy. This is ANYTHING BUT an "F-14 propaganda video." It's an F-15 apologists film.......but now we're waaaaaaay over your ignorant skull.

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

@@hoghogwildnothing would change their performance is essentially equal but f15 was easier to fly

[@hoghogwild]

@@bruhhhhmoment4848 the F-14 would fight better down low while the Eagle would up high. It's all in the wings.

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

@@hoghogwild has nothing to do with altitude

[@frankmiller95]

Since one of them has been retired for more than 18 years, WTF is the point of this idiotic title?

[@massmtman]

Title should be "was"...the F-14 is gone now. The best part of the Tomcat was the targetting system.

[@searchtron7601]

Just like Mustang vs Corsair Rivalry😉

[@huckleberryoutfitters7051]

Corsair was superior. 🙂

[@peterstanton1580]

The F15 had a significantly better top speed and manuverability WVR. A 14 pilot told me that they used to have mock dogfights vs the nearby airforce F15s. He said they almost always lost. When the F14 engines were upgraded he said they had a much better chance. The F14 was an overpriced, one trick pony Russian bomber interceptor and in no way a dogfighter as depicted in the Top Gun movie where you can see it being out manuvered by A4s Skyhawks and F5 Es.

[@jiggawhaa1.21]

The REAL question is, Which one is the Coolest? ~ Maverick out

[@scoshyg5133]

According to every tomcat pilot that I have seen interviewed, the number one misconception about the aircraft is that it was built as an interceptor. It was built as an air superiority aircraft first it replaced the phantom it absolutely was designed for dog, fighting, and air, superiority and fleet the fence as well. That’s why it was a more flexible aircraft than the eagle and did not require different variance to accomplish strike, and other missions. To start out a video with such an egregious error boards poorly for the rest of it. You can listen to Northrop Grumman engineers and read the original VFX requirements and if you do so you will come away understanding that it is not an interceptor. Interceptors do not have, dogfighting features such as slats, flaps, dogfight, radar mode, a canon, etc.

[@Juiceair77]

F-15 FTW!!!! F-14 is retired and replaced for a reason.

[@mikes7446]

Nah dawgz! Iran has F-14s

[@SeaHorseTrading]

F-14 that's one great interceptor / fighter.

[@dorkyrouge3372]

I wonder what results will happen if the U.S. challenged our F15 pilot Eagles againts a friendly dogfight againts the Iranian F14 Tomcat pilots...( Who have shot down over 150 enemy aircraft MIGS )??.... I wonder which country will have BRAGGING RIGHTS...??.. I would LOVE to see this happen...❤😊

[@weidles]

It's all about costs too, if the F-14 Tomcat was costing way more money, then the F-15 E would be a better choice. But let the pilots decide.

[@beontimenow]

Why do they say the Phoenix missle is better. It may have had longer range, but most fighter jet could out maneuver it rather easily. But the Phoenix was for bombers and other large non maneuverable targets. I don't believe there was ever an adversary aircraft shot down by the Phoenix missle. That said, your are what your record says You are , F15 104 to 0 inactual air to air combat. And has been upgraded many times to stay effective. The F14, well put out to pasture 2 decades ago.

[@MrSaladin21]

Amazing video, and yes I think if the F-14 were still around and upgraded, it would even beat the F-35

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

Highly doubt it

[@Byung-KukKim]

I will always love the F-14!❤

[@gosh1975]

Yes F14 is the greatest model It has to be upgraded with new composite materials frame structure & engines and avionics & arsenal that can be still the leader in the world

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

No

[@scoshyg5133]

What’s hilarious about anybody claiming the tomcat was not air superiority is that for the first 12 years when the eagle and tomcat existed concurrently the tomcat was the one with the bigger radar and the only BVR weapon the Eagle did not get aamram for over a decade of its beginnings and would’ve been seen before the tomcat and shot it before they even knew they were in a dogfight with a Tomcat. And when the aim 120 came along, it took multiple upgrades before it exceeded the capabilities of the Phoenix and there are still various metrics in which the Phoenix always exceeded the 120 even today

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

The phoenix were not that good it was advanced for its time yes but in reality it could only really hit bombers

[@bartkimel5664]

The fact that today, five decades after the start of the flight of these two successful fighters, the discussion of comparing these two fighters is still so attractive and fascinating should make the lovers of flying especially these fighters happy, and I think most of the F-14 Tomcat lovers. Because the Tomcat has been retired from the US Armed Forces since 2006, the Eagles still have to prove their ability to be superior to the Tomcats. it is interesting.

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

They have to prove it to tomcat fanboys who can’t accept reality. The f14 had MANY issues that ultimately led to the navy replacing it with the f18

[@Герман-у8г]

Больший вес к Томкета, чем у Орла объясняется устройством его планера, оснащенного встроенным механизмом, позволяющим изменять стреловидность крыльев. Этот механизм довольно тяжелый. От этого и планер переутяжелен. У F-15 легче, у него нет этого механизма. К тому же компоновка двигательной установки у F-14 также отличается от F-15. Его двигатели разнесены между собой, в то время как двигатели у F-15 располагаются рядом, ближе к центральной продольной оси самолета, что также положительно сказывается на маневренности. Весовые показатели и компоновка на стороне Орла. В ближнем маневренном бою он в выигрыше.

[@rojoloco3911]

I hear a lot of great things about the Super Tomcat but unfortunately it was super expensive.

[@bartkimel5664]

For those who are looking for a real result of the competition of these two fighter planes; Reviewing them and seeing them again 1- McDonnell/Air Force Eagle F-15 and Grumman/Navy Tomcat F-14 competition was held on July 26, 1973 at Andrews, US Air Force Base, for the Shah of Iran. With the presence of the highest officials of "DoD" and defense committees of the United States Congress and officials of two manufacturing companies and representatives of the US Air Force Department as well as the US Navy Department. The superiority of the Tom Cat show in that flight piloted by Dan Evans and RIO Dennis Romano over the Eagle F-15 was evident to all present. The second competition is again at another US Air Force base, Nellis, for a week in the form of a scenario: one defender against two attackers. Two defenders against two attackers. Eagles from Nellis and Tomcats from "Miramar" battles were planned as "dog fights".

[@andrescano7006]

I don't see how the F-14 could dominate anything. It was as heavy as an 18 wheeler, underpowered, and not very agile.

[@TommyBombadillio]

The F15 wins every time. Nice BS video with a boring AI voice and a script written by a 16 year old though.😂

[@LordHolley]

From what I understand, the F-15 is not a very good dog fighter, mainly just a high-speed missile truck. The idea of the F-14 swing wings was to give you a good dog fighter that could also hit high speeds. I think because of the high maintenance costs and risking 2 people, it was decided to just focus on the F-15 instead of updating the F-14. I would have loved to have seen a Super Tomcat at some point. With lighter materials modern electronics it would be on par with any other 4.5 gen fighter. Only so much room in the budget. If it was my call, I probably would have focused on the F-15 as well.

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

In reality both were used as missiles trucks both being able to take 8 missiles. Both are pretty good dogfighters actually have very similar performance in 1 and 2 circle. It would really come down to the pilot although the f14 was harder to fly with the many issues it had

[@fortyfour6626]

18 seconds in and the silhouette when you said “YF17” is accurate. Looks more like and F20 or T5 in my non aviation expert opinion.

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

It looks like a f5e you can kinda see the gap between the 2 small engines

[@blakdrifterok2147]

I am a F14 fan and I miss it i feel if it had the chance to get the upgrade it would have been able to dominate the F15.

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

No the f14 had many problems

[@blakdrifterok2147]

@@bruhhhhmoment4848 Hey I am just giving my opinion on what I think.

[@SuxoStark]

Glad tiktok russian kids don't spam SU-57 in comments

[@clndg8]

This is a silly argument. NO F-15 has/was NEVER lost in air to air combat. These two aircraft were on the same team, so all the chest beating about which is best is silly. That argument is like arguing which is better on a Super bowl winning team, the full back of a wide receiver? Next which is still flying in US frontline service, NOT the F-14, that may be a tough pill to swallow for the navy. The sad thing about the passing of the F-14 is that one, the F-18 can't fly about mach 1.8. The Tu-22 Backfire Bomber can fly at mach 2. The F-14 could fly at mach 2.3. Second, the F-18 has a range of about 680 miles where the f-14 has a range of 1864 miles. So far as the Phoenix missiles being the coup de grace, they weren't near as successful in combat, i.e. pk = probability of kill, was not as great as the fanboys of the F-14 would lead one to believe. So far as how well the Iranian F-14s did in the Iran-Iraq war, look at the pilot training as well as the aircraft Iraq was using, not the Iranians had top notch fighter pilots. The F-15 was/is more modular and versatile. A radar system that could operate the phoenix missile could have been installed and the argument of the F-14 being able to shoot down an F-15 before the F-15 was even aware of the F-14 would have gone right out the window. Finally the Israelis never thought the "advantages" of the F-14 were advantages. The F-15's higher thrust to weight ratio and SUPERIOR DOGFIGHTING to the F-14's as well as the belief that close in air to air combat would not come to pass speaks volumes of what fighter aircraft can do in combat. Remember that israel has MORE 4th gen fighter aces than the rest of the world combined, so they know of what they speak from real world experience NOT keyboard experts. Sorry to crush peoples feeling but fact do not care about feelings. R.I.P. F-14

[@bobbymak6964]

I'm a Top Gun movie fan and because of this I like the F14. I wonder about the use of a RIO and I feel if Iran didnt have the F14, then it might not have been phased out.

[@hoghogwild]

Iran having or not having the F-14 had nothing to do with its retirement timing. It did affect the actual physical f-14 retirement and exactly how the airframes were demilitarized.

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

Iran has nothing to do with it being phased out only with them being destroyed so Iran couldn’t take their parts. And the RIO operated the radar and weapon system while the pilot flies the plane

[@bobbymak6964]

@@bruhhhhmoment4848 That is the official statement. But think about it. The main plane of the Navy, USMC, Air Force starting from the 70's are the F-14, F-18, F-16, F-15. The only plane officially retired and not flying is the F-14. There is a F-18 Super Hornet, a F-15 EX, and the F-16 block 70 all upgraded versions.

[@MarvinThomas-nw3yi]

Seems like comparing a battle rifle to an assault rifle. The one I choose depends on the range of the enemy but they can generally overlap a lot with their capabilities.

[@billpotokar360]

... 12:09 ... ps ... one of the later F-14s was equipped to carry the AIM-120...

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

Yeah one but doing that to all the tomcats would have been incredible expensive when they could just get the f18 which was more reliable, advanced, and cheaper to buy and maintain

[@anthonyjohn6028]

If not for Dick Cheney f14 would still be in the skies

[@bernacasa8677]

Both are FANTASTIC , but i choose F-15

[@scottnance2203]

I think that if the F14 would have nern upgraded just like the F15 it still would have been kept by the navy

[@captainhellhound7451]

It’s maintenance was what killed it over all. A Super Hornet on average requires 15-20 man hours of maintenance per flight hour. The F-14 was more then doubled at 40-60 man hours of maintenance average per flight hour

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

I wouldn’t have it required a lot of maintenance and the upgrades would have been extremely expensive so at that point they just bought the f18 basically solved most their f14 problems

[@Joe-rx7ht]

In order to keep the rivalry alive in the 21st century….. The Air Force should’ve picked the Northrop, F-23 Black Widow II, to replace the aging F-15 Eagle. The Lockheed, F-22 should’ve gone to the Navy and received the Lightning II name instead of Raptor, to replace the retired F-14 Tomcat. The Lockheed, F-35 should’ve received the Raptor name (F-35 Raptor has a better ring to it). And on track to replace the Marines AV-8B Harrier and F-18A/B Hornet, with the F-35B. Air Force gets its F-35A to replace the F-16 Fighting Falcon. And the Navy gets its F-35C to replace the F-18C/D Hornets. The F-18E/F Super Hornet, currently made by Boeing, should’ve never been a thing. And finally… The Northrop, X-47B autonomous flying wing, should’ve been green lighted and gone to the Navy.

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

I’ve never read such a bad take

[@captainhellhound7451]

Shit talking the Hornet? Post invalid.

[@TedReed-h3p]

Seems the USAF had the ear of the government. Navy lost out on this.

[@mishrakrishna444ram7]

Yes

[@battyroy3894]

Bring it back with thrust vectoring and a new phoenix. Ultimate fleet defender.

[@maziarkarimi2195]

F 14 is forever ❤❤

[@bowdonwheeler6359]

I think a continually improved F 14 would be able to take the F 15 easily.

[@MrSoundstrm1]

Yes!!

[@frankmiller95]

Yeah, because it would be an F14 in name only, much like the A10/P47, although the P47 was a pretty good fighter/bomber, which cannot be said for the A10. Where they're similar is in their ability as ground attack aircraft and to absorb tremendous battle damage and make it home.

[@lb7144]

The F-14 became the most expensive aircraft to operate in the Navy inventory, requiring 40 to 60 maintenance manhours per flight hour. For comparison, the F-18 Hornet requires only 20 hours of maintenance and the latest F-18E/F Super Hornet requires just 10 to 15 hours. A Super Hornet costs about $17,000 per flight hour to operate. Using these two pieces of information we can estimate the running costs of the F-14 to be somewhere between $35,000 and $40,000 per flight hour. No matter the upgrades, it’s still a swing wing, heavy, lots of panels for maintenance access, in a saltwater environment.

[@joshuatucker6214]

Personally I think both jets are and were badass They played different positions in the same game Like a point guard and a shooting guard Both have different skill sets with some overlap but the only way to win is good play from both

[@cpg8000]

It’s a romantic idea but totally untrue in the face of all the data

[@tandecastro]

There's no debate. F14 all the way, baby.

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

No to trash yard

[@RagsHSC-7]

You know the USAF with NASA backing them and lobbying to get the latest and greatest bells and whistles. If the F-14 TC that was redesigned because the biggest outcry was maintenance. Maintenance personnel was not able to sufficiently and with a good Pace to do a turnaround. That was not all true. There were a few isolated spots that the maintenance crew were unable to check. And yes, I agree that every aspect of every aircraft should be inspected. If not to at least save our pilots. They had created 2 different f-14s one was even a stealth model in totality. Proof of concept was completed and also they were able to access every inspection post on the new TC. I'm here to tell you now it was not 200 million in today's money. There would be no way on God's green earth for the next TC model to even come close to that amount. The same reason why the USAF wants to get rid of the a-10s is to get more funds for their new bells and whistles. Instead they give us the loser of. I believe it was the acf competition. Yf-16 against the yf-17 Cobra. So they put the yf17 Cobra into a warehouse and in 1990 they started to rotate. What was the yf17 the loser? To the fa18 hornet. Not even 50% of the twr of the TC and only half the range. Thank God for good pilots. 🇺🇸🩵⚓

[@abrahambollinger4236]

The F-14s engines were incredibly inferior to that of the F-15. The Pratt & Whitney F100 produced far more thrust and was way more reliable. Facts. The F-15 was also much faster and could perform much better at high angles of attack. Yes, they were two different planes with different objectives. But when it comes to performance, the F-15 was vastly superior. And I like the F-14....🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@thorandlundeve]

i root for f14 because it's name is easier to pronounce 😂 forever for teen 💪💩

[@strikehold]

This wasn't an aircraft comparison, this was a missile comparison. No mention what the results were when it went became a dogfight. Also, the F-15s did not have AWAC support and that makes a big difference. Each was used under different doctrines and that makes a lot of difference.

[@liveisnotbeautiful]

Excellence

[@airforcex9412]

The F-14 was so awesome…it was replaced by an aircraft in the same gen. The F-15C was replaced by the F-22…

[@rodw9515]

The F-15 was not replaced by the F-22. The F-15 is still in service alongside the F-22

[@airforcex9412]

@@rodw9515 The E and the C have entirely different missions. So, while you’re correct, obviously I’m talking about the “air superiority” (C/D) mission wish the USAF phased out.

[@jamaalsmith3845]

@@airforcex9412bro you are still incorrect. Yes the C and original E model have different missions. The new E model advance E model is air superiority. And I am a F-15 and F-22 crew chief. This whole video is bulljive.

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

Tf are you trying to say

[@DragNetJoe]

You can always tell when one of these is by someone with no idea what they are talking about when they ask "which is more powerful". What the heck does "powerful" mean? We can figure out really quickly which one has more thrust (F-15A wins against TF-30 F-14A, but F-14B/D with F-110s win against PW F100, but newer F-15s with GE F129s win). Maybe you are talking about the power of the radar? Is that average power out, peak power out and how does that relate to maximum detection range, which also is impacted by processing and receiver sensitivity. AWG-9 vs APG-63 or APG-71 vs APG-70?

[@3dmax911]

a vid made by a Tomcat lover !! and contains some inaccuracies

[@Kroggnagch]

How funny. Carriers were referred to as “floating coffins” back in the 70s? Kinda like recently...

[@chaddlindsay9909]

I think the combat W's and L's tell the tale. The F-15 has no losses. 104 wins and counting. Not to mention it is more agile than the F-14. Thrust to weight ratio is much better, it out climbs ever other fighter in it's class. It is faster then the F-14 mach 2.5 vs 2.34Flaps don't get stuck in high g turns. Survivability is better then the F-14. An Israelis F-15 lost a whole wing, not part of it... the whole damned thing and made it back home and landed safely without any issue. They even fixed it and was able to put it back into service. The F-14 gets the sniffles and it's down for months in maintenance. The F-14 is not a dog fighter, the F-15 is.

[@265justy]

F-16 sets in corner laughing.. I'm agile...!!!

[@DharmaChannelOfficial]

please remember f15 win against inferior opponent

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

@@DharmaChannelOfficialwhat do you think the f14 fought?

[@DharmaChannelOfficial]

@@bruhhhhmoment4848 mirage f1 is not far from age perspective and some of them shot down f14 so mirage is not that bad