F-16 Viper Vs 5th Gen F-22 Raptor + F-35 Lightning + Su-57 | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

THRUSTMASTER VIPER TQS : www.thrustmaster.com/products/viper-tqs-mission-pack/ I can already foresee some people wondering what about the F-16 makes it such a good 2 circle fighter and what goes into making an aircraft a good 1 circle or 2 circle fighter. Generally speaking it comes down to the aerodynamic design of the fighter, and what the aircraft was designed to do and how the engineers designed it, so for example fighters that have good 1 circle performance will usually have leading edge extensions that come out from the wing roots, (f-18 hornet would be an example of this) they might have larger delta wing designs (Mirage) sometimes they have wide flat bodies to generate more lift. fighters that are 2 circle fighters will have the ability to sustain high Gs, maybe they recline the seat back for the pilot to take more Gs like the F-16, also like the F-16 the position of the wings and location of the engine can help increase or decrease drag in the case of the F-16 The air intake was placed so it was rearward of the nose but forward enough to minimize air flow losses and reduce aerodynamic drag which would be important for an aircraft that is maybe designed to "rate" rather than "radius" fight as it needs less drag because it wants to hold onto its speed during high G maneuvers....it all comes down to HOW the aircraft is designed/its purpose and the aerodynamic designs that go into it. Thank you guys for watching and if you have any ideas for future videos please put them in the comment section below and they might just end up in the pipeline, thanks again, much Love.

[@Averagecartilistener]

Day 106 of asking for A-10 vs F-14

[@aviationist1018]

Give the man apache vs su57

[@Greycloak321]

Hi! I think it'd be awesome if you did a dogfight between the true heroes of Top Gun; an A-4 vs an F-5. Keep doing what you're doing though! :)

[@icjd80]

how about a Sopwith Camel vs a SU-57???

[@MaciejRM]

Dogfight compare : F35A vs F35B F35B vs F35C F35C vs F35A

[@jaredhaas4168]

6:56 I had heard about the Felon's low observability characteristics but seeing him go invisible after taking a few hits was impressive.

[@thekaorucat]

You win the internets my man

[@parsafarjammusic28]

Ah so that’s what they meant when they said that the Felon is impossible to see

[@unskilledpanda5]

It’s the new teleportation technology

[@robsonfujii461]

"Few" hits lol

[@crystalfire6677]

Bro's hp went negative

[@OneDigitalZero]

That could be the most rounds I have ever seen dumped into a single target by a plane that wasn’t an A-10. The Felon was obliterated.

[@johnargumaniz9179]

Let’s not forget when the felon takes rounds and simply will not die lol

[@KaldekBoch]

That had to be a good 50-60 rounds of 20mm. Obliterated indeed.

[@GardenGuy1942]

He is hacking

[@KillerKev1961]

disintegration is the ultimate stealth lol

[@madalinradion]

@@KaldekBoch Tracer rounds are like 1 in 4 or 5 rounds shot out, if there were 50-60 tracers on target then the real amount o landed rounds should be around 4 times higher

[@danieldickerson4838]

It’s just insane to me how these fighters move in the air, especially the 5th gens. Like, the F-22 is bigger than a semi truck, yet can maneuver like a ballerina or giant leaf in the skies. The sheer amount of power and thrust, and aerodynamics of these machines is absolutely staggering.

[@r2020E]

imo it's crazy how the f22 is so good at both one and two circle fighting

[@tykjpelk]

The avionics that goes into them is crazy. On something like an F-16, pulling the stick moves the control surfaces. On a 5th gen, pulling the stick is an instruction to tilt the aircraft, and it's up to the avionics computer to figure out how to make that happen.

[@imoqtz3332]

​@@xXLingunXxexactly i was shocked to learn the F22 was 90s tech

[@NR-xj3nf]

@@imoqtz3332 Really even older than that since development started in the 80s, and the YF-22 flew for the first time in 1990.

[@everettbruckerhoff6029]

@@tykjpelk actually the same goes for the F16. The F16 was one of the first aircraft ever with RSS (Relaxed Static Stability) and FBW (Fly By Wire) the difference is that the 22 and the 57 both have TVC (Thrust Vector Control) while the 16 doesnt.

[@barbaros99]

So many instances during the Su-57 and F-22 fights in which I was trying to use my latent Force abilities to help you pull them into the HUD. Very intense duels.

[@darkphoenix2]

Seriously, I certainly don't know better than GS, but there were moments I kept going "ahhhh just kill him now you can do it" 😅

[@corvanphoenix]

I too am a practitioner of the telepathetic arts!

[@Nick-rb1vk]

This is probably going to be one of the most intense videos I’ve ever watched on this channel I love it

[@steveclarke1857]

6:57 - *Pumps 300 rounds of 20mm centre mass on target* 7:06 - "Why does that happen?" lol

[@mattfleming86]

Dude that felon fight. Best described as "prolonged edging"

[@benn454]

At least the Felon fight ended with something going off.

[@mattfleming86]

@@benn454 Explosively.

[@akwild83]

The F16 is my all time favorite fighter but I dont mind seeing it loose to the F22 because it pretty much expected, amazing stuff as always GS

[@wurfyy]

Same, except I do mind when it happens because he got impatient and pulled the Raptor into the HUD way too early, like he did here.

[@nolsp7240]

I wonder if they really allow fighters to practice these near-stall-speed dogfights.

[@bradleykillen6104]

That's standard operating procedure in the cf. Most dogfights fly around 200 knots

[@4R8YnTH3CH33F]

Not as dangerous at higher altitudes, I would think.

[@michaelold6695]

Generally speaking they have a “hard deck” which is typically an altitude which they consider the be the ground, but allows them room to either exit the fight and/or not crash and recover from a stall if the pilot misjudges his manoeuvres so they can practice “proper” dog fighting with a good degree of safety

[@Danlovestrivium]

@@michaelold6695 Years ago, we had an A model F-16 that had modifications done to it's flight controls so that it could enter into a flat spin easier than a regular C model. Once the jet was in the spin, it allowed for the pilots to attempt to maneuver the aircraft out of the flat spin for practice by using the manual override button and basic stick inputs. If all of these failed to recover the aircraft, it also has a drogue chute that could be deployed at the rear of the jet in order point the nose downward to escape the spin. It was only deployed when the escape had failed and they were below the minimum altitude of the exercise, which I believe was 15k feet. Not sure why I'm telling you this other than that I thought it was a cool story and it popped into my mind when you brought up the hard deck altitude. lol

[@mrpineapples4752]

@@Danlovestrivium very cool !

[@bacon81]

Why did I laugh so hard at the felon exploding? 🤣😂🤣

[@marksnyder7255]

I saw the title and thought “of course he did” haha I love that you never back down from a challenge

[@cameronvanhooft]

6:58 *'And for my next trick.. I'm going to make an SU-57 DISAPPEAR!'*

[@rcdrcd9859]

I know this is weird but could we see a dogfight between like AWACS or civilian airliners? I don't know if that's possible but it'd be really funny

[@CounterfeitDuck]

A fight between ww2 level bomders would be more interesting.

[@truthseeker9454]

@@CounterfeitDuck I don't know. Normally, the offensive position is at 6 o'clock. With airliners it would be the plane at 12 o'clock high, because the only weapons would be passengers trying to throw luggage into the trailing jet's engines. 😄

[@cancelanime1507]

The 757 would dominate all other airliners in a dogfight

[@truthseeker9454]

😄@@cancelanime1507

[@MustangsCanTurnToo]

@@cancelanime1507prove it!

[@longjohnpilsners7750]

The camera angles of the TQS are awesome, really put’s into perspective on the physicality of these fights

[@rocketpunchgo1]

Sponsored by Thrustmaster! Congrats! And I love the throttle cam... would love to see an entire setup cam one day

[@LOVEMUFFIN_official]

Agreed! It would be fascinating to see him totally plugged in and everything.

[@timbaskett6299]

I kind of wonder how the JASDF F-2 is in a dogfight. I know it's a strike fighter, but with the bigger wings, I think it might be a decent dogfighter as well. F-35A vs. an F-35C fight at some point, please?

[@simplydarkhalf3974]

A mini box of your controls in the corner of the vid would be insane. Would love to see more of it ❤

[@wurfyy]

Oh god, please no.

[@josefmoore3157]

Strong "Strike Commander" vibes, especially with the f16 livery. Only the soundtrack was missing.. Great video

[@wolfmanjackxl1691]

Ha ha, exactly my thoughts when I saw the desert camo on the F-16!

[@TheFaithfulFanatic]

I have always loved the F16!! That and the A10 are probably top of my list since I was a kid. Now F22 is added as well.

[@HandFromCoffin]

Crazy to think the F-16 might be the best gun fighter we ever see with a man in it.

[@Shadowboost]

The mistake was chasing the F-22 into the one circle. Keeping the turn going, you would have rated him so fast since he bled so much energy in the reverse

[@corvanphoenix]

I knew something was about to go wrong, when I heard "ok let's try take the F-22 in a 1 circle fight"... XD

[@Warthunderispain]

Can we get an f-35vs av-8b harrier dogfight? A vtol showdown!

[@Optimaloptimus]

If they modeled the F-35s properly at all. The F-16 and the Harrier will have trouble. Lots of trouble.

[@Warthunderispain]

@@Optimaloptimus yep

[@saltyfloridaman7163]

​@@Optimaloptimuswell yeah, the F-35A (not the VTOL) was designed to beat a F-16 in combat load in every single category of kinematic performance in dogfights.

[@Optimaloptimus]

@@saltyfloridaman7163 I already know that.

[@chenrayen]

The roll over the F22 was a thing of beauty

[@devildogu1284]

chaff flare feels like an emotional support button

[@SliceofLife7777]

Heartily agree. I was using a Thrust Master in Jane's WWII fighter sim in the late 90s. Love the precision, and that tight well defined dead zone. Things were nice and simple, but Thrust Master had a square, as opposed to a circular control stick movement. This was great, as it allowed more simultaneous roll and pitch combination back in those days, and hitting that corner was a great reference point. Thrust Master could also take the abuse. Unlike you (GS), I'm a cave man at the controls.

[@yellow_creeper11]

I always love it when a dogfight becomes a stall fight😅😂

[@slay4karaka351]

I wish this vid was a full best of 5 for the three matches, I'd love to see both pilots adapt and pull out new tactics each round

[@ravenheartwraith]

he has those videos , especially with the viper, do a search and you'll find at least one video of f-16 vs each.

[@slay4karaka351]

@@ravenheartwraith I'm aware, I've watched pretty much all of GS videos twice by now

[@doc7000]

I remember reading in an article that the F-16 and the F-22 are equal in a two circle up until they hit the deck and the thrust of the F-22 pulls it ahead.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

I would imagine that is all speculation, as nothing about the real performance of the F-22 is known. I've only ever heard it spoken about very "vaguely" - ever seen 1 real pilot confirm its better or worse than F-16, not one EM diagram nothing. But yes, I've heard it's SLIGHTLY better in the 2 circle...but I've also heard the F-16 is SLIGHTLY better. Whos to know until we get a declassified F-22 EM diagram.

[@doc7000]

@@GrowlingSidewinder The article that I read was from an F-16 pilot flying aggressor that was comparing flying against the F-15E vs flying against the F-22 if that changes anything for you.

[@supermatt25]

The camera view during the replay at 7:17 is absolutely awesome. The Viper is a beast…my favorite jet. Nice flying sir

[@jamesw71]

Fighting Falcon, not Viper

[@karldergrosse-333]

This video's alternate title could have been : "5th gen fighters try to enter the Viper pit"

[@natf5869]

Man, 3 5th gens in one video ? What did we do to deserve this ? Great video GS

[@MORE1500]

Love to see a 4th Gen like the F-16 kick some a$$.

[@EcstasyEevee]

If you haven't done a F-16 vs J-20, I think that would a great match up!

[@hammertime3286]

I really know nothing about this stuff but it looks cool. One question though, wouldn't firing flares in a gun fight give the opponent some visual clues as to where you are in the sky?

[@HoyonBalkhi]

Great timing as always 💙

[@v8makoshark]

EPIC ! High entertainment along with a little tech talk. Liking the Thrustmaster too.

[@poppopdadski7559]

F16 is definitely in the running for most beautiful jets ever

[@douglasallison5916]

Yipe Another KZbin video to watch at 2am in the morning.

[@GM-fh5jp]

Can't wait to see the AMRAAM equipped F-16 up against the F-35 A carrying Meteors in a BVR fight.

[@chasemartindale1434]

*Dumps 200 20mm rounds into a Felon* "Why did it explode???"

[@pokes404]

6:57 That thing blew up like it was a TIE Fighter.

[@stepheno21]

👏 GS making it look too easy. We need to start a petition to get GS a role in Top Gun 3. You can be the one to end Mavericks reign at the top ;) haha.

[@tankiplay5383]

It's actually so peculiar how you absolutely demolished this Felon completely cool-headed, but when it came to the F-22, you made a tiny mistake ditching out to 2-circle just a little too late, and we know what happened next. I guess there's still a little fear of F-22 after that unforgettable realization of having it on your 6 formed up with you 😅 It seems to me it has an influence on you tbh, despite you're MUCH more skilled now than back then. Maybe it's just me I dunno, but I suppose the fear needs to be overcome. And I believe you will 💪Mark my words, there will be that time when you gonna eat those Raptors up in your F-16 one by one. Can't wait this to come

[@simba1113]

Good fights I think the f-22 match was just un lucky. you definitely had the fight a multiple points, two things to remember the F-16 can still out accelerate the f-22 so if your going to ditch high AOA do a half g push and get that jet moving before trying to our rate again. and second the F-35C does not have an internal gun. its removed for the AAR Probed. anyways Cheers mate GL and keep with the good content.

[@gregoryrennicker1100]

When the F-22 reversed and you flared panic mode, is that the same as the F-16 wetting it's pants?

[@danieldickerson4838]

Or making the cartoony “gulp” noise.

[@phil-1115]

lmao

[@robertallison9653]

The Raptor wasn't having none of that! Yes pilot skill is very crucial, so are the jets! F-16 rocks! F-22 dominates.

[@Slotty_Botfast]

The F16 is one of the top, all time, coolest and clean looking fighters.

[@KaganRustem]

Pumped rounds into that Fellon till he got vaporised! 😂

[@belikumari6893]

This video with showing controls too is just amazing now ppls more appreciate y hardwork behind this 👏👏👏👏 i think y are rdy to come live at YT and gv us a 1hr stream pretty sure we gonna hv much fun mean more fun then videos❤ and if only videos then show us with controls too🙏

[@rickyquinteros7100]

That is a neat thrustmaster HOTAS Also, that poor SU-57 got absolutely pelted by your bullets!

[@gurtbadger]

Awesome video as always. I'd like to see something like a 5v5 of Vipers vs Flankers

[@Maxdady01]

Great job on the TM sponsor! Congrats.

[@gravis2000]

The Felon exploded because you pumped him full of rounds that was great.

[@donnieweston3249]

GS, you and the Viper are a beautiful couple,

[@jmaldo68]

Wow, that was beautiful, loved the action!!!!

[@n.s.3410]

LOL that Felon went to pixel heaven

[@jimmyfowler7888]

Excellent overshoot in that F-22 fight.

[@acheesetoasty14]

Could you fly the F35 sometime? I've always seen you fly against it. Even some stealthy ground ops would be cool.

[@saltyfloridaman7163]

He hates the F-35 and constantly spreads misinformation about it. Fat chance in hell

[@thebigbilltheory4388]

How were you using tracers in the 16? Cool vid.

[@Ahumanperson05]

Bro shot that Felon out if existence 😂

[@marvingillespie6199]

F-16 is so impressive in gun fights but the F-22 has no equal in any fight. It’s like taking a butter knife to a gun fight

[@bitkarek]

that Felon was literaly wiped off the sky :D

[@N1mr]

Your videos keep getting better and better …….

"Thrustmaster" sounds like something out of the adult entertainment industry

[@Bane_Diesel]

It takes me like 20 min to setup my flight sim cockpit at my desk. But your videos remind me that it is worth it.

[@behnamsaeedi]

yaaaay! we love the sponsored streams!

[@th0rn3]

the felon activating it’s patented disintegration mode to prevent enemy forces from recovering wreckage

[@briandavis6137]

Fat Amy stood no chance with guns only

[@KR1ML0N]

Wish the thrust vectored f16 was on dcs

[@eladioramirezjr.428]

Thanks for this bud I appreciate it

[@IronMan-xm3lg]

GS, please fly the 35 dude, I know you hate fat Amy but why don't you just give her a chance? I will always say it, it's not the throne it's the King 👑.

[@DDayJayke]

The Su-57 could have won if he had done what the F-22 did, the F-22 was aggressive and wise, the Su-57 could have replicated that for the same results in my opinion.

[@Dos895]

The person piloting the F-22 actually made a couple of mistakes during that fight. It was closer than it should have been. A good F -22 pilot would have smoked the F-16 a lot sooner as have been done a lot in past videos.

[@DDayJayke]

@@Dos895 The F-22 won because he was aggressive, he made a mistake and rather than playing into GS's hands, he forced the fight back into his favor. Even good pilots make mistakes, but great pilots make mistakes and correct them accordingly to seize victory from the jaws of defeat

[@arrtemfly]

when the dcs's felon bursts into thin air, i burst with laughter. especially after such a tense fight, wow

[@rcslyman8929]

Objects in HUD are closer than they appear.

[@Dynasty1k]

I know I’m probably late saying this but a cam for joystick and throttle cluster would be awesome! Been binging all of your vids for the last week when these popped up in my feeds.

[@ingoos]

While it may be good habit to chaff & flare during a guns only fight, it also ensures that the bandit never loses visual?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

He shouldn’t lose visual anyway if he’s worth anything.

[@maximum4103]

It’s crazy that a plane as old as the f-16 can make a 5th gen sukhoi run around in defensive like that, then get taken out even

[@trentvlak]

Su57 kill was satisfying.

[@A_Lazy_Bori]

that Felon got DELETED 🤣🤣

[@mclaggen6144]

Gotta say i've developed a little bit of a soft spot for fat amy She may not be a dogfighter but she's still the second most capable fighter in the world today and if they do weaponize the mq-28 she will be the most deadly thing in the skyes

[@armedandredee]

Just an idea, but you should include the controller camera in your videos. Like, during the third person replays, or just during the first person view. I wanna see how much movement and coordination this takes.

[@BunnyDahlia]

F-16 with guns vs F-35 B/C with 9X's would be interesting, since it'd be more likely to use the Fox-2s in an actual dogfight. I don't think the module has the IRST modelled, or the fight would be even harder since it doesn't need nose-on to get tone. Good fight though!

[@armoredcf3536]

love the hand cams, is it possible to get more of that?

[@banditdelta7172]

F-15C vs F-35 might be interesting

[@Edwilliamjr]

Really great fights, awesome video!

[@Webbamaet]

The edition of the hand cam is amazing 👌👌 fully appreciate that as a new player. I realise I have a long way to go 😂😂

[@kenhelmers2603]

The infamous Su-57 balloon POP lol

[@Damn-good-deal]

The mastery displayed by GS here is absoulutely insane

[@adamcumley3950]

The F-35C is a lot heavier with reinforced landing gear, folding wings, and whatnot. I am almost certain the A variant is better if you fly the envelope properly. The F-35 already has a crazy wing loading, I do not know off hand but the C may have brakes and flaps the A does not but at that points it's likely slow and dead anyway.

[@death2all79zx]

Bro hit the delete key on that the first kill.

[@CNCTEMATIC]

awesome set up concept, well executed as usual 👍

[@ralfhtg1056]

Missing the J-20 in here.

[@gnazlis]

FINALLY!!!! The F-16 has tracers!!!!

[@Lee-sti8wrx]

That was a long but awesome kill on that Felon. Great job, like how you showed what you're doing with the thrust master. Be good to see a video with how you use all your controls.

[@shumi6942]

Really nice Video Ideo. You should do the same with like the Eurofighter, Mig29, F-15, F-18 and so on. Maybe not only against 5th gen. Just to see the comparison

[@W1ckedRcL]

Need to see a new setup video! Now that you're rocking the new Thrustmaster gear..

[@robhenderson22]

damn than felon got sent to the shadow realm

[@11leonidas11]

Apparently the f35 can shoot missiles at targets behind it so that would be interesting.