F-35 vs Chinese J-20 | Fighter Pilot Reacts

[@user-hardliu485]

The J20 was not designed to be a dog fight, it doesn't even have a cannon. It does not seem to be designed for stealth penetration, it is more like a stealth flagship in the air, large range, heavy storage, multi-functional, can cooperate with early warning aircraft, drones, fourth-generation fighters, ground weapons, maritime weapons three-dimensional attack echelon. When the echelon is complete, it is difficult for any aircraft to find and get close to the flagship.

[@DairyCat]

Makes sense. Go in, destroy AWACs, destroy anti-air assets so the non-stealthy aircrafts and helicoptors can do their job. I think Russia's lack of a real 5th gen is why they still can't get air superiority even vs Ukraine.

[@jbwshox]

Exactly, thats a basic knowledge about Gen-5 jets, they are not going to do dog fight...lack of common sense here.

[@castrojank5653]

J20 looks more similar in design to the F35.

[@josephlee7022]

One more thing, PL 15 missile means it can shoot the air target 1500 km or more range. J20 is never designed to depend on pilot's eye sight or dog fight to destroy enemies.

[@良友冰室]

Have you ever thought about systematic combat between fighters? J-20 will not fly outside the scope of the South China Sea, in this range with radar, early warning aircraft can almost observe all stealth fighters, electromagnetic interference and suppression, so that it thinks that there are Chinese fighter formations in other airspace, and f35 and other various aircraft, You have to look for reconnaissance whether it's firing the aim 120 air-to-air missile at that place, or whatever. This is the first point, the information disadvantage. The second point is that the pl17, the latest Chinese service, has a range of over 400km, and it has a dual-pulse engine, which means it has a nearly unlimited power segment, and it can easily kill the American AWACS. That means the Americans can't electromagnetic suppress China, except with their carrier groups, if you are willing to expose a carrier group to the South China Sea, and while I didn't mention the third point, the F-35 has entered Chinese airspace more than 20 times, how many times do you think these F-35 pilots have spotted the j20? They did so visually, meaning that the F35 was still unable to detect the j20 even though the j20's rcs was larger

[@Strato13]

I'm not a fan of Politics, but am a fan of Fighter Jets, and though I love my F-15-Eagle, F-14 Tomcat, and F-22 Raptor (And the unused F-23 Black Widow), gotta say, the Smooth design of that J20 is gorgeous.

[@TK199999]

Something people are discovering about the YF-23, as it was presented by Northrup. The YF-23 is now seen as proto NGAD in almost everyway. With NGAD basically taking the YF-23 innovations and taking them into 6th gen. Which makes Northrup dropping out of at least the USAF NGAD disappointing.

[@Haunt888]

because you're a reactive drone, an NPC 😂

[@TheRealIronMan]

Yep I rarely see ppl mention this but J-20 just looks so awesome, the only thing i don't like is the weapon bay cos it looks too bareboned, but other than that J-20 is my fav 5 gen fighter from an artistic design perspective.

[@CaptainHavfun-lp4ok]

It's got CANARDS. Which are like crutches for lift. They can't fly properly without them. Which means their tech is lacking. Our FBW systems are the reason certain craft can fly. They don't need stupid canards either.

[@Strato13]

@CaptainHavfun-lp4ok Oh I see.. I've always wondered why our planes never had Canard designs on them..

[@20Mb01]

If I recall correctly the F35 is already been assembled also in Japan and Italy… so there’s an active logistic chain both in Europe and in the pacific

[@matt_you9696]

Correct! They're assembled at Cameri AFB in northern italy (I live 60 km from there)

[@calvinblue894]

They are easily spotted by China

[@billfrehe6620]

@@calvinblue894 [according to random China robot in comment section of youtube]

[@calvinblue894]

@@billfrehe6620 No.. Actually.. according to USAF...reported last year, J-20 spotted and approached F-35.. I bet you don't follow News much.. LOL

[@billfrehe6620]

@@calvinblue894 [according to random China robot in comment section of youtube]

[@phill5917]

Max, The J-20 has an HMD too where the pilot can look and shoot just like the F-35. The missile is called the PL-10 which is the Chinese equivalent of the Aim 9X. You left that out.

[@ObiWanShinobi917]

J-20 won't be carrying PL-10's if it knows it's going up against F-35's because it'll never make it to the WVR with the F-35. That's the point. If you're in a J-20 and you merge with an F-35, you fucked up, and you're gonna die. The F-35 is a very capable dogfighter, trumping F-16's and F/A-18 Super Hornets in Red Flags very consistently, and is really only second to the F-22 in a close range fight.

[@phill5917]

@@ObiWanShinobi917 "J-20 won't be carrying PL-10's" Are you Pilot in the PLAAF? and do you fly J-20's to confirm that? The whole point of both fighters is to NOT get close in general but incase they do both have the ability to fire heaters off boresight. Its just a matter of who see's who first. Just because the F-35 is "American" and has very good trained pilots flying it doesn't mean its invincible. Max is only giving his opinion. He's not going to know EVERYTHING about the J-20 because its a classified Aircraft. The PLAAF would NEVER give away the J-20's true RCS figures or any other sensitive information. Your just going to get what they want you to know. Its the same for the F-22 and F-35. "If you're in a J-20 and you merge with an F-35, you fucked up, and you're gonna die" Underestimating your opponent is the worst thing you can do as a pilot. Both planes have their pros & cons. So what J-20 is big, has delta wings and canards... that doesn't disqualify it from being a good dogfighter. ANY plane that gets slow in the merge will become vulnerable. It all comes down to energy management. The only disadvantage I see with the J-20 in a dogfight is not having a gun. Idk if you play DCS but its close to being realistic. I've shot down players who where flying F-16's and F-18's (Had Newer tech, better missiles etc) in a 1980's era Su-27 that thought the same thing you just said about merging " Your going to die because my plane is American and your Russian flanker is trash and stands no chance) and guess what happen? they get their asses handed to them so with that being said if the plane is in the hands of a good pilot it will be a threat. It Doesn't matter if its an F-35, Rafale, Su-30, F-18, F-22, Su-57 ect. Every country has good pilots with training. Not just Nato and the US. At the end of the day both planes are great. They have their roles, One's better than the other at particular things & they both have AESA. Both planes are very Capable. Neither of them have shot down anything in real life and Both planes have came up on top in Simulated dogfights. Set aside the Biased opinions and just enjoy Military aviation lol!

[@usapanda7303]

Don't believe what you see from Chinese Propaganda.

[@ericjohnson133]

@@phill5917 Yes lets talk about guns while we are at it, which we aren't sure the J-20 even has. Any while we are at it lets arm the pilots with sidearms so they can take potshots at each other WW1 style.

[@voidtempering8700]

​@@ericjohnson133Most F-35s don't have guns either. Not to mention the gun is the last thing you would use anyway.

[@stevenmiller6001]

The J-20 was never designed for dogfights with F-22 or F-35 aircraft. It has a larger radar cross-section (RCS) compared to its U.S. counterparts and the ability to carry external fuel tanks, giving it a greater size and longer range. Its primary purpose is to engage AEWACS aircraft, aerial refueling tankers, and ground targets. This explains the absence of a gun in the J-20, as it is optimized for specific missions that prioritize its size, range, and stealth characteristics, rather than close-range dogfights with enemy fighters.

[@The136th]

That's a misconception. J-20 was designed to go against F-22 or F-35 form the get go.

[@Eduaardojc]

the j20’s radar cross section has never ever been made public tho..

[@KittyCat-qg4vd]

It has a larger radar cross-section (RCS) LOL stop parroting the propaganda already. LOL

[@bola.94]

So why did they have trouble with the J 20 in the China Sea? AWACS (E-3) They couldn't detect it. They had close contact with the F 35. That's why a new radar is being developed

[@PlugInRides]

@@bola.94 The Air Force wants to replace the E-3 Sentry with the E-7 Wedgetail, so it has hyped the 5th Gen threat from Russia and China. The E-3 can detect the F-22 and F-35, so should have little trouble finding the less stealthy J-20. Even if the E-3 can find the J-20, the attacking fighter aircraft must get a target lock. Russian and Chinese long-wave radar systems can detect approaching American stealth aircraft, but cannot be used for missile locks.

[@wsi1917]

Interesting VDO, I have few questions and if you can provide link to further study for my knowledge will be appreciated 1. How could you know that J20 helmet doesn’t have same capability as F35 helmet - as you claimed as F35 advantage. 2. How could you know that J20 doesn’t have similar visual of air craft like F35? - claimed as advantage 3. To my knowledge, J20 have much longer operations range which translates into much higher fuel load. You claimed that dog fight fuel consumption of J20 is disadvantaged, could it be offset by much larger fuel load giving that fact that if war happen, it will be South China Sea (J20 land base and F35 from Japan or CSG) Now about rumors l’ve heard from many podcasts, please argue 1. Only half of F35 are combat ready and one of reason is F35 have too many versions (build & continuously bug fix). You claimed that F35 is easier maintenance, how it fix multiple versions easily and why only half combat ready. I do not say J20 has no issue or better. I just curious how it classifies as advantage. 2. I also heard that F35 gun accuracy is better than nothing - compared to other US 4th or older generation. Could it count as performance during dog flight or base on luck? I assume that is reason why “shooting Chinese balloon has to use F22 instead plus using side wider instead of GUN. - missile is more accurate than gun even for static floating balloon.

[@elmohead]

Several things wrong and things I want to add: - J20 also can fly higher than F35 so they have initial advantage. - they used missile to kill the balloon because the balloon is the size of a building and bullet holes won't bring it down.

[@Whitfield369]

@@elmohead Why not just more bullet holes? as long as it slowly descents we could have gotten the whole piece intact so much easier to analyze.

[@elmohead]

@@Whitfield369 because at such high altitude, Helium simply won't escape through the holes. Canada tried to shoot down a balloon. Fired over 1,000 bullets, the balloon continued floating over North Atlantic Ocean, flying over Britain, Norwegia, Russia and finally landed in Finland.

[@Whitfield369]

@@elmohead thanks for the interesting story. I need to look into the physics on why helium would not leak in high altitude. One would imagine with a thousand bullets it would have torn a quite sizable hole on the balloon.

[@elmohead]

@@Whitfield369 tbh it was everyone's first thought, including mine. But think about it. F35 has a 25mm Gatling. Cross section is 49cm². 1,000 rounds of that is 4.9m². The surface area of the balloon is probably around 600m².

[@huntingsynth]

The issue with US stealth is hard as it is to identify the target the bigger issue is getting a lock with the radar either from plane/ground/weapon

[@Realist-sh3dg]

Germany and Iran didn't have any trouble detecting and tracking the F35. Germany in a defense exercise recently, Iran warned them off entering their air space last year.

[@littletweeter1327]

thank goodness for all these comments from f35 and j20 pilots explaining all of their classified capabilities to each other, im learning so much!

[@xdgao3015]

love it you can win an air battle with your mouth.

[@蝈蝈老]

😂😂😂

[@newkboots]

Keep coping fung lee

[@blauer2551]

All that data linked tech and they still couldn’t figure out where the F-35 flew after the pilot ejected, seems hard to believe

[@lsdzheeusi]

It’s almost like stealth aircraft are stealthy. Crazy, right?

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Definitely interesting 🧐

[@jasoncook6121]

China sup got it

[@BionicBurke]

Datalink no worky if engine no pushy. Engine failure = full electrical failure. The F-35 is such an energy hungry flying computer, no battery that can fit in the thing will last long without the engine.

[@aachoocrony5754]

Yeah, it's a psyop. Not sure which is preferable, it being a psyop to show that it really is stealthy or that it was another in a long list of mishaps.

[@fatdoi003]

yep.... the F35 is so reliable it keeps on turning itself into a submarine.....

[@rhou568]

Hahaha. Indeed. What a mighty f35 …….. this guy is going to make US Air Force vey happy.

[@mangurung6880]

​@@rhou568I didn't see any videos f35 converting itself into a submarine

[@3094usmc]

We have freedom of the press. Nothing is perfect, but the F35 and F22 are superior.

[@sweetpotato3910]

@@mangurung6880 near japan sea cough cought

[@mangurung6880]

@@sweetpotato3910 I found no videos in KZbin

[@BruceLee-sy8bn]

In fact, The F-35 encountered the J-20 over the East China Sea in 2022, The F-35 was locked by the J-20 fire control radar without even detecting the J-20

[@West_Coast_Mainline]

Firstly, the j-20 was detected, and secondly, the f-35 had radar reflectors on

[@ZionOrange]

​@@West_Coast_Mainline to ensure high civilian air traffic can see them and not lead to a air disaster

[@p.informatico1320]

The Chengdu J-20 is a joke... You can't take the chinese seriously when talking about their weapon systems... They always said the J-10C was better than the F16, but no one wants them because of the bad quality...

[@bekeneel]

It's laughable the claims of china, russia & their fanboys. As always, those weapons are mainly great on paper lol.. Best examples russias su57 or t14armata. I also believe pilots that flown both F16 & F35 would take the F35 even for dogfights.. I mean, pilots said that.

[@MahdiChronicles]

​@@p.informatico1320😂 Ahh yes western copium.

[@johnnybegood3017]

Except that ...... unlike the F-35, the J-20 won't melt to pieces once the Mach 1 sound barrier is exceeded..... limiting the vast majority of the F-35's to subsonic speeds. Meaning, according to the nomenclature of '5th generation' standards (ability to 'supercruise' --- meaning the ability to exceed Mach 1 without afterburners) --- the vast majority of the F-35 cannot exceed Mach 1 at all, with or without afterburners. Thus, the F-35 is not a '5th generation' aircraft at all. How convenient to forget about that. Now, as to the armaments that the J-20 can carry ---- make no mistake ..... Russia HAS shared it's missile technology with China --- meaning that Russia's R-37M air to air missiles will almost certainly be appearing on most - if not all -- of China's stealth aircraft. This is the world's most advanced, longest ranged air-to-air missile on the planet ---- achieving a first of it's kind shootdown of an enemy aircraft at a range of 217 km back in october of last year --- a new world record ... far, FAR exceeding the range of any air-to-air missile in amerikan stockpiles. The range of this missile far exceeds the ability of the F-35 radars to detect the J-20 stealth fighter -- negating the self-serving claims of the supposed 'advantage' the F-35's electronics. There is no contest at all in the supposed 'match-up' between the F-35 and the J-20. The J-20, every single time.

[@papi-sauce]

ya but this is a youtube vid by an American airman. Do you really think he is going to be objective?

[@emertron2743]

The range of an air to air weapon wouldn’t matter much in a straight up matchup. The J20 wouldn’t be able to target the F35 anywhere close to 217km unless there was another aircraft up close sharing targeting data. The range that a J20 vs the F35 would be able to achieve would be the decisive factor, probably within 20-30 nautical miles. Those super long range misiles would be to target the AWACS vs a single fighter

[@johnnybegood3017]

@@emertron2743 --- "The J20 wouldn’t be able to target the F35 anywhere close to 217km unless there was another aircraft up close sharing targeting data." There's a grain of truth in that, of course. On the other hand, the reverse holds true --- the F-35 would not be to target the J-20 either --- the F-35 is not any more 'stealthy' than the J-20 is, nor does it have superior electronics. That said --- let's not forget the F-35 WILL be operating in and around the Chinese mainland --- and not the reverse. Thus, China's FAR more effective ground-based radar systems (more effective than the F-35's and even far more effective than the amerikan AWACS) WILL come into play, providing all the targeting data the J-20 needs to utilize it's far better air-to-air missile technology that Russia was kind enough to provide. What it boils down to is the capabilities of each aircraft --- the F-35 cannot exceed Mach 1 without melting, while no such limitations apply to the J-20 --- unlike the F-35, the J-20 is a TRUE '5th gen' aircraft. AND, the J-20 has far superior armaments than that of the F-35. Thus --- game, set and match .... the F-35 stands no chance vs. the J-20 ... no contest in ANY metric. Of course, if we were to include the F-22 in the match-up --- the results would be different - somewhat. On one hand, the F-22 suffers no such speed limitations as the F-35 --- on the OTHER hand, given the astronomical costs to produce a SINGLE F-22, less than 100 of the F-22 exist (vs. the 500-600 of the J-20 in the air today) --------- also, given the F-22's fragility and it's complexity .. no more than 30% of those

[@Angus1995]

@@johnnybegood3017 The RCS of the F35 head-on is an order of magnitude lower than the J20. Assuming equivalent radar strength (we have no reliable information on either), the F35 has at least twice the range. By the time an AWACS can get a relevant lock on an F35 the AWACS will be a smouldering wreck in the dirt somewhere. Ground radar stations will be a similar situation if relevant because of anti-radiation missiles. Why are you so convinced that speed is relevant here? Energy isn’t a concern when you are lobbing missiles from tens to hundreds of km away.

[@elenanito8843]

Russia who? Ukraine made them the laughing stock of the world 😂

[@juhantoon6524]

Technology aside, I want to put things into proper perspective. China J20 will be deployed and operationally within 3000 km from China shores supported by landed assets where US F35 will be operating 10,000 km from homeland or from aircraft carriers which will have limited number of aircraft to deploy. Within 3000 km from China shores, even the mightiest US aircraft carriers will be vulnerable to the various Chinese missiles. Now lets talk about the human side. If there is a possibility of a war between US and China, it will be US invading China therefore fighting near Chinese shores. The Chinese pilots will be ever ready to die to defend their country. The US conquering pilot? Lastly China is no Iraq, Libya or some Latin America countries where US can use their air power and naval superiority to bombard the opponents at will, Try this out within 3000 km from China shores, you will be sitting duck.

[@superjnovaannularaurora9065]

if such war do break out, the us won't fight alone. probably china won't fight alone too. the question is can one maintain a multi fronts war? china is surrounding by us friendly nations while the us have not surrounding by china friendly nations. another question is who control space beyond earth's atmosphere. technology is so advanced now that one whom control the outer space will weaponize it.

[@gustavotriqui]

The J20 not having a gun sounds like when Apple decided to launch the iMac without a CD Rom. Sounded weird at the moment, but it was actually clever. It's not going to be used anyway.

[@General_MacArthur]

Stealth aircraft in my opinion aren’t supposed to carry around guns, but i think the J-31 should.

[@cuz129]

Thank you for your service, keeping my family safe! And for great content!

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Hey thanks for being here!

[@kenichitamagusuku3194]

It could be even safer if the police practiced equal justice to all the citizens and not to half the citizens or give entitlement to the thin blue line gang because they are above the law. Speaking of law, they need to learn the laws as well and stop violating our rights

[@brian.z6592]

The Chinese usually don't talk or argue, and work hard to improve themselves and even exceed the competitors. Look at what they achieved in the space station technology.

[@209smokie9]

US have too much pride. It like saying the ISS is more advance than the Chinese space station.

[@jrgingerninja]

The Chinese steal tech 😂😂😂 everything they have has been stolen 😂😂😂

[@brian.z6592]

@@jrgingerninja Classic anti-China argument.

[@jrgingerninja]

@@brian.z6592 I love Chinese people but all governments spy and China is good at it

[@amunra5330]

Most nations 'steal' tech....From the Romans to the Brits to Western nations in the World Wars.@@jrgingerninja

[@PeekabooGram]

I've never seen a stache that's even close to being comparable in the east. And it's common knowledge that a quality stache easily doubles survivability in an air-to-air combat situation.

[@sid2112]

It's true. I'm not even a pilot but my epic mustache found itself in a cockpit. It was a good day!

[@Legion-xq8eo]

Robin Oldes approves this message!! 👍

[@Legion-xq8eo]

Shit I think he was the one who invented it 🤦‍♂️😂🤣🤷‍♂️

[@ntvtexan5015]

I wonder how much he pays his stache for it's KZbin appearances ? 😁

[@thomaszhang3101]

Comrade, we are keenly aware of that and you do not have to rub it in.

[@Opusss]

Never get complacent, Never rest on our laurels. With rapidly changing technology air superiority can flip in a moment.

[@marsmotion]

the brits thought they were invincible before ww2 in the pacific. then Hirohito cleaned their clocks in the opening moves of ww2

[@robertthomas3777]

Beware hubris.

[@bessarion1771]

wow! 116,000 subscribers. I believe I were you 49th subscriber... LOL. Congrats.

[@marsmotion]

50% of those f35s will be in maintenance....in any war...plus battle damaged ones. range is really important in the pacific...its a very big place....

[@PilotWanderlust]

Very interesting! Thanks!

[@AverageGuy916]

Well, F35 got painted by J20 in East China Sea not long ago.

[@nairbvel]

No stealth aircraft is invisible. The trick is to make weapons lock as difficult as possible -- painting a stealth plane is something that seems to happen fairly regularly in various theaters of operation, but even that doesn't mean they're going to be as fully visible as needed for an opposing pilot to actually get off a solid shot (much less have missiles actually lock on).

[@archieherrington9955]

Yeah your just making shit up the f35 is way stealthier than the j20 where's your source

[@gsmollin2]

What you don't know is that on routine/training missions the F-35 ( or any other stealth aircraft) carries corner reflectors that completely disguise its RCS. RCS is blackest secret, so it will not be revealed until a combat mission is flown.

[@newkboots]

Could you ask your government what happened at Tiananmen Square for me?

[@ItzRetro2019]

I wouldve mentioned that the issue with these modern 5th gen BVR fights is that eventually these fights will likely turn into a dog fight. I say that because both jets have stealth capabilities and the likely hood that either jet will see each other at BVR range is unlikely, that could happen is both jets would see each other at a much closer range ~10-15 miles away. They would fire their fox 3 missiles and if that doesnt kill either of them, then it could turn into a fox2 dog fight.

[@michaelkendall662]

LOL....at best the J20 is a 4.5 Generation fighter with weak and unreliable engines........it only really has any real stealth from a head-on aspect so any approach differing from that it is dead meat from 60 miles away.......even then it has less capable radar and avionics than the F-35

[@nexpro6118]

Just because a military claims to have stealth aircraft, doesn't automatically mean it's actually very stealthy lol. Not to mention if the training isn't great and often than the aircraft means nothing. Not to mention doctrain and actually military pilots with combat experience...which China has zero of

[@dgthe3]

Thing is, the advantages tend to stack. If the F35 is less detectable and has a better radar and has a better trained pilot and has a superior EW package and is better integrated with other aircraft ... that J20 isn't going to survive long enough to get into dogfighting range. Planes don't fight 1v1 like in DCS

[@jimmcnair5843]

The j20 wins just on looks alone compared to the f35 by 500%

[@ItzRetro2019]

@@nexpro6118 yes that’s very true, but that wasn’t the point of the video. If we are to compare jets on paper than i believe my prediction is very likely, but of course china is known for buffing it’s military equipment more than it actually is.

[@doncalypso]

Ryan, I'm not sure if you're a Star Wars fan, but the badass mustache definitely would make Antoc Merrick and Biggs Darklighter proud... Definitely worthy of a top-notch X-Wing pilot.

[@sid2112]

Star Wars missed a real opportunity when they didn't have Rebel General Magnum PI.

[@danpetrescu4915]

please , how f35 break ? i know f35 have 100 , 150 issue ? means is not operational .

[@TheKkpop1]

Half of F35 are grounded because of technology glitch.

[@gavinoreilly1501]

Yeah, and we found that out after we flew them. The J-20 has how many hours again?

[@ObiWanShinobi917]

@the people who think that getting within visual range and dogfighting an F-35 = an automatic win just because its called "Fat Amy", think again. Red flag pilots and F-35 pilots have repeatedly stated that the F-35 dominates F-16's and F/A-18's, the USAF's best 4th gen dogfighters consistently and with ease. The only thing that can shoot it down reliably in a dogfight is the F-22. Youre not safe no matter what range you're at if your opponent is the F-35.

[@rustycann6887]

we read different reports because i have read where the f35 and the f22 were both eaten by f 16s

[@oneflyline96]

@@rustycann6887You are most definitely reading the wrong reports!😂

[@nvalidwerdz1078]

@@rustycann6887 clickbait that doesn't actually look at any of the context around it. US training involves intentionally putting airplanes in no-win scenarios to test the pilots and the machines in ways that actually constructive to doctrine. And... nothing eats the F-22, lol.

[@ObiWanShinobi917]

@@rustycann6887 I remember one F-35 pilot, who was formerly an F-16 pilot, on Quora with a verified profile (meaning he confirmed his identity and occupation as a USAF F-35 Pilot because you can't impersonate that shit online it's highly illegal) He came out and said that during his first Red Flag with the F-35, he was up against F-16's. All piloted by veterans who had 1000+ hours in their aircraft. True masters it's capabilities. He, himself was still new to the F-35, but it didn't seem to matter. According to his recollection, the F-16 pilots were super cocky about going up against "Fat Amy", and during the first few runs, they arrogantly went up with full load outs; as many A2A missiles as they could carry, and extra fuel tanks. Because they were so confident that they could beat the F-35 even while weighed down. As the day went on, and the mock battles continued, the F-16's found themselves getting shot down repeatedly, and each time the two sides went back up, the F-16's were a little lighter. First they removed 2 missiles. Then 4 missiles. Then they went up with less fuel to lighten their load. Then they removed their two pylon tanks. Until the F-16s were flying up with nothing but their small centerline fuel tank, a single Aim-9x mounted centerline, and their gun (which wasn't actually loaded just simulated). And still, they were unable to score even a single kill against the F-35's. He also mentioned that the F-35's took the same loadout every time. No tanks. 2 AIM-9x inside the internal weapons bay. Gun.

[@arugulatarsus]

Simple math 35 > 20. Now good thing the 104 isn't there or we'd be in trouble.

[@alexhu7939]

How s t u p i d can you be? So if Chinese name their next one J-3789, then we are doomed ?

[@arugulatarsus]

@@alexhu7939 if they name it the Alexhu-7939, then I for one will welcome the superior numbered fighter. One of them is the equivalent of 226.8 F-35s! Math don't lie!

[@李大人-m7p]

@@arugulatarsus china J-35

[@arugulatarsus]

Oh my gosh, @@李大人-m7p if China has a J-35 and US has an F-35... I don't know if we compare letters, if so, US lost, if not, it's down the the weapons. The f-35 has the aim-9x and aim-120. The J-35, we assume has the pl-10, and 21. So assuming it's a knife fight, pl-10>aim-9x, China wins. But at long ranges, the aim-120 is almost 6 times better than the pl-21. Again, simple math!

[@AKCobra1120]

I'm not sure what the Chinese aircraft's networking capability is, but assuming it's more likely to be a multiple aircraft engagement rather than a 1v1 situation, the ability of the F35 to share and receive targeting info from other aircraft gives it virtually unlimited payload for all intents and purposes. You touched on this with the F35's ability to receive targeting from other aircraft but it works both ways. It can also share it's own targeting and in effect use it's companion 4th gen fighter's missles. Let's hope we never find out who would win and this debate remains hypothetical. Thank you for your service! 👍

[@888YangJi]

Who is the world premier networking gear producers? Is it US or China? Huawei survived 6 rounds of US sanctions since the mid 2000s, and it is still the world's No.1 4G to 5.5G networking gears provider by market share. And China is easily 5-20 ahead of US in terms of quantum encryption and wireless quantum communications. That gave you an idea what China is capable of and the level of technology sophistications when it comes to upgrading military for network threatre combat. I won't say China is way ahead in terms of military digitalization and network intergration, but I think it is safe to say China is not generations behind of US making every weapon system into a networking node.

[@AKCobra1120]

@@888YangJi Well like I said I don't really know what the networking capability of the Chinese aircraft is, but I would say that's probably a fair statement. I'm sure with both countries the things we don't know about are far ahead of whatever they make public, so all we can really do is guess.

[@888YangJi]

@@AKCobra1120 👍👍

[@peterpista2652]

现在这个年代，三军通用数据链难道不是标配么

[@lagrangewei]

the fact that J20 has successful intercepted a F35 without turning on it radar, implies they can use their sensor network to guide the J20. this mean the side that has the "home advantage" would be in a better position as they have more sensor available. if J20 was flying near US, I am certain the F35 could intercept it blind too... the make stealth fighter better at defence than attack...

[@SamMcNeill-q6w]

Fun Fact: Supply chain of F-35 even extends to China for rare earth magnetics ;)

[@doso1313]

There's an incident happened when a F35 flying too close to Chinese airspace being shoo away by a J20. Not that Stealthy to the Chinese airforce. 😊

[@RW-zn8vy]

Yea that never happened but the two Planes have has an encounter with each other before but it seems like it was the f35s that rolled up on the j20.

[@archieherrington9955]

Dude that literally never happened yall just make shit up

[@leeway777]

Max, the J20 is a fighter, fast and agile. The F35 is a fighter bomber, which is slow and not very agile; the F35 cannot fight against the J20.

[@gavinoreilly1501]

It sure can. BVR is the new thing man.

[@ZionOrange]

The J20 uses Yaw Stabilizers underside because the aircraft suffers from Dutch Roll, where the plane moves on all three axis, yaw, pitch and roll. To call it a fighter is like calling an elephant with wings aerodynamic. Papers on the J20 have shown in excess of 3G lift can cause stalls. It is not a dog fighter, it's a Kim Kardashian that handles like a pig on roller skates

[@bulldogfightingforfreedom]

All these self claimed experts in KZbin, makes me laugh so fucking hard.

[@F35_JSF]

The F35 is currently being built in Japan and Italy as well. I have worked at Lockheed for the last 12 years. We see wing sections from Italy all the time. We have employment opportunities in Japan and Italy as advisors.

[@F35_JSF]

Manufactured is more correct and is what I should have said instead of built. There are 4 sections of the F35, and the sections are manufactured in the USA, Italy and Japan. These sections are then shipped to what you could call a "completion center" in the USA. Here, the 4 sections of the F35 are married. Then it passes final assembly, is flight tested, painted and certified airworthy and combat ready. Japan for the most part is just building some of their own aircraft. But we started the Japan order in the USA. Each area is still pushing towards full rate production. Each country who purchases the F35 will have different approvals and requirements. Like Norway due to weather conditions in the region, gets a parachute pod built into the AFT Section, (FS 556), for help on the Icey runways that the pilots are at times forced to land on. However, each F35 built, maintains a final build tolerance of .250 ". So, the F35 is built to within a final aircraft dimension of no more than a quarter of an inch, from one aircraft to the next. Now, that is precision. I have had many amazing conversations with pilots since I have been an FAA commercial aircraft mechanic for the last 23 years, and the last 11 spent with Lockheed Martin Aeronautics on the F35 Program. Love your videos and love hearing the pilots perspective. Love the Channel. I mean really, the F15 is just amazing, full stop. Gen 5 aircraft are just taking it to the next level. Keep up the awesome videos.

[@aldenunion]

You surely signed a gag order and not supposed to be discussing such information publically...I heard a UK citizen mentioning nuclear sub leaving with time,location etc..(this 8s what done in Pearl in 40's).Web era of stupidity.If you do truly work at the facility,you won't long mentioning such classified infornation during wartime for NATO and the west.Special clearance is signed before such employment.Only liars boast such sensitive

[@kkpandalicous114]

Is Lockheed state own or private own?

[@F35_JSF]

@@kkpandalicous114 You are not making sense.

[@keirfarnum6811]

@@kkpandalicous114 State owned?! This isn’t China dude. Of course it’s a private company.

[@poochie5543]

This comment section is a waste of time reading, just a bunch of one sided nationalists. Yea the f35 has a “worse” record but that’s because it’s a training and active duty aircraft. The world is still waiting for the j20 to actually do anything beyond flight shows yet. I’d take their aircraft with a huge grain of salt. I also work on the f35 and can tell you that the bar is set pretty high for the j20. I’d expect each aircraft to be able to see each other from +50miles away, how either pilot decides to play defensive/offensive will in the end determines who wins. But until any of that happens, I’m gonna have to stick to the f35. There’s just way more pilots with thousands of hours of f35 experience that would probably be able to fight without being overwhelmed by the aircraft itself more than likely.

[@debratakahara2494]

The J20 has no internal gun. As you mentioned I think its main role is as an interceptor, to get up high and fast, launch its missiles then retreat. Other things that are impossible to know without knowing classified information is just how capable specific systems within these aircraft are such as radars, ECM, ESM, missile performance etc. My bet is the F35 holds the edge although it’s probably not by a huge margin.

[@pai8758]

Yeah most ppl think J-20 will be used to attack early warning aircrafts and refueling tankers

[@宋学民]

嗯打赌个p.，你知道J20不单独行动么？那个需要搭配无人机……唉

[@leeway777]

Are you betting that a fighter bomber F35 can win an air superiority fighter J20？The F35 cannot see the J20 cuz the optical pods under the nose cannot see upward. J20 flies much higher and faster than F35. And the AWACS E3 is 2 generations behind the KJ500. No, you cannot turn on your radar unless you want to sparkle like a Christmas tree. So, you are blind and slow, which is an easy target.

[@furinick]

we need classified information? TO THE WARTHUNDER FORUMS!

[@jackwang1238]

既然是隐身战机，那么空战都是发生在视距之外，为什么需要机枪？隐身战机出战是成编队出去，就像航母战斗群一样。一个编队出去所配置的僚机是非常多的，僚机可以替代隐身飞机出去肉搏，一般也没有机会肉搏。J20从一开始研制的对战目标就F22，F35只是美军为了缩减单机费用搞出来的玩具版本。在机动性、巡航速度、隐身性方面F35与F22不是一个等级，你问问拜登F22是否愿意卖给英国，更别说北约或者日本。但是F22已经没有生产线，其所搭载的电子设备、雷达设备无法更新，我相信这是大问题。

[@Naples-Florida]

I thought the J-20 is moving towards 2-seaters which controls 3 Sharp Sword stealth drones. Are they moving away from direct air to air engagement?

[@guitar7279]

Theyre doing both. Like the f15c and f15e kind of

[@klardfarkus3891]

J20 is an interceptor missioned to defeat awacs and refueling tankers.

[@Cuccos19]

F-35B is so different aircraft (for an outsider at least) than the other two variants, that it even could get a different designation IMHO.

[@Ffsniper-zi1cx]

how does a Mach 1.5 F35 shoot the Mach 2 J20 with the gun?

[@newkboots]

Could you ask your government what happened at Tiananmen Square for me?

[@kwokmingng4548]

Are we comparing apple and orange?😂 Thank you for the video

[@TheTonyP4]

The recent crashes of F-35 could be due to the single engine. F-35 has been field tested longer. J-20 is far cheaper. Dogfight is not that important but the radar system is as u can find out the enemy jet earlier.

[@georgepalmer5497]

The F35 is networked with every weapon on the battlefield, so its payload is not of paramount importance. There is likely to be some kind of low visibility missile truck not far away from the F35's that can launch missiles that the F35 will guide to the target. The F35 comes into its own in information gathering and processing, so when a plane attacks and F35 it is attacking a network of weapons and not just a single plane.

[@wsi1917]

A missile truck floating on South China Sea, waiting for F35? to shot J20? 😅😅😅 I like your imagination. Tell me which war game can do that.

[@georgepalmer5497]

I meant a missile truck on a plane, but there could be a missile truck on a ship too.@@wsi1917

[@Tome275]

@@wsi1917 Thats the plan for the 15ex be the missile truck

[@wsi1917]

@@Tome275 then it can’t be “your dream low visibility truck somewhere”- make another dream. Don’t cheat yourself that 4th or 4.5th generation is stealth

[@Tome275]

@@wsi1917 I missed his word low visibility but that’s the plan have the f15 ex sit back while the f35 moves up using network linkage to launch there missiles

[@ShawnHinck]

Keep in mind, the J-20 doesn’t even have a gun unless something has changed. But neither does the F-35B (unless one is mounted underneath more for ground attack) and the F-35C

[@robertbelardo7087]

The F-35 has a 25mm autocannon

[@ShawnHinck]

@@robertbelardo7087 re-read what I said… the C doesn’t have one, the B has one that can be attached…. Which would indicate the A does have one, but only the A has one that’s internal to the aircraft. So really no the F-35 doesn’t have one, the F-25A has one and the F-35B can have one attached to the belly of the aircraft

[@guitar7279]

Not like that matters. If either of those jets get within the range of their IR missiles the fight would already be over

[@connermini9390]

You are one of the most objective bloggers I have ever seen, because other bloggers have to be involved in politics and despise Chinese weapons. I don‘t think that’s professional at all, and there is no evidence at all. It‘s stupid.

[@rustyshaklferd1897]

Regardlessof the reliability I favor twin engines.

[@nexpro6118]

Twin engines means much bigger IR signature which means. Easier to pick up/lock on/track. Also, just bigger aircraft as well with 2 engines which will be easier to detect/lock/track on radar.

[@kenchong5388]

They have built a twin pilots version. F35 watches surrounding you carefully 😢

[@jimmylam9846]

.........The skirmish over the East China Sea early this year J-20 was more superior than F-35 admittedly by the US 7th fleet commander after reviewing the flight footage.

[@gavinoreilly1501]

Source?

[@wahco008]

Listening to this so called former fighter pilot analysing the aircraft he knew nothing at all is fun. Commentators here are more knowledgeable than him. Luckily he is no longer a fighter pilot but a youtuber now.

[@ranger275th9]

I don't really care about either jet, but may I just say that mustache is on point sir! RLTW

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Haha I'll take it! thanks for checking out the vid and the stache!

[@bestestusername]

Aircraft aside american pilots are trained by combat vets for decades and most are now combat vets with good flying hours. Massive advantage over countries just modernizing thier planes, infastructure, pilots and systems

[@nexpro6118]

US pilots/training/doctrain says that if a pilot has less than 150 hours a year in flight time, that the pilot doesn't and won't have the skill to be able to 100% use the aircrafts capabilities best. Not to mention the US shoots for pilots to have 200 hours a year. Russia on average flies, 90 hours a year lol. China flies on average, 120 hours a year.

[@suberchen3604]

In fact, most pilots in PLAAF already spend more than 200 hours a year in flight training, and key units even more.

[@williamking3529]

What if the average IQ of Chinese pilots is 10 higher than that of American pilots? China 105, the United States 95. This is a fact.

[@robertthomas3777]

@@williamking3529how do you know if that’s true? Interesting premise.

[@nexpro6118]

@@williamking3529 your point? So IQ levels mean that the higher it is, that automatically means you're better at doing something? Lol 😂

[@chadbernard2641]

What a shock he picked the F-35 😂😂😂

[@dgillies5420]

Would love to hear about why the J-20 has 2x the range. Just the basic specs sound really terrible for the F-35. 15% more expensive, Half the range, 60% of the payload, WTF ?? The only advantages are (a) Carrier-ready, (b) Networked battle groups.

[@bigsmokeinlittlechina174]

The b52 has a bigger payload then f15, what's your point? That a larger plane has more fuel and payload?

[@BatMan-oe2gh]

The J-20 is a bigger plane, so with 2 engines of course it will carry more fuel. But the trade of is that it turns slower and has a slower rate of climb. None of the Chinese pilots have any combat experience and as such they are unable to translate that into training. And is the J-20 able to refuel mid-air like the F-35. The way China hides info, it is a guess of how much they really cost to produce. Overall, until they actually meet, we will never know. But I for one hope that never happens.

[@sidharthcs2110]

Because they're designed to meet different requirements. How hard is that to understand

[@dgillies5420]

@@sidharthcs2110 Yeah let's talk about that. The F-35's range is just not good enough since you need at least a 2200 mile range to keep the carriers away from Chinese MRBM land-based missiles, so that's another F-35 failing and one of the biggest impetuses for the 6th generation project is to fix this SNAFU of the F-35.

[@nexpro6118]

If fuel load and range and payload is what makes a great aircraft..than why isn't Russias SU aircraft amazing in combat? Lol. It's about training, doctrain, sensors, radars. Your theory would mean that any country should just be trying to build the biggest fighter ever lol

[@ericlane3256]

A little update, the F-35 has just entered full production with a unit cost of $70 million for the A and $80 million for the B and C variants. The best value for what you get.

[@leeway777]

No Max, you cannot use your radar, otherwise, you will be sparking like a Christmas tree, and a long-range missile PL21 will shoot you down from 200 miles away; the PL21 will be guided by a KJ500 AWACS and carried by a J16 (nickname missile truck). Once the PL21 is close to the F35, it will switch to an infrared sensor and lock on your engine, and flares won't help cuz the PL21 has AI and will recognize the engine and flares as is. So, you can only use infrared optical pods under the nose and the AWACS E3. But the E3 is 2 generations behind the KJ500. And the optical pods under the nose cannot see upward, and the J20 flies higher than the F35 does. So you are doomed; it would not be a fair fight.

[@jeanclaude24]

​@leeway777 Good luck getting a lock on an F35 from 200 miles.

[@West_Coast_Mainline]

Firstly The thing about radar is complete Bullshit Secondly “A long range missile PL21” is worded very funnily, I smell chinese fed Thirdly Infared missiles can be defeated, it’s called chaff

[@newkboots]

Could you ask your government what happened at Tiananmen Square for me?

[@rs-dp6pr]

After 1.7 trillion dollar tax payer s money, half the F35 are grounded due to maintenance issues at any given time and other half maybe crashing somewhere really does make everyone feels better about F35... Not to mention it costs billions to operate..

[@michaelwilliams2430]

Russian propaganda

[@rs-dp6pr]

@@michaelwilliams2430 truth hurts.. doesn't it..

[@kshitijdave6471]

Thats like saying, a gun requires more maintanence than a crossbow. Its so much more expensive! This gun thing is shit, and costs taxpayers more to skewer a guy.

[@michaelwilliams2430]

@@rs-dp6pr Your comment is a lie and that is easily verifiable. It would be accurate if said about the J20 or any Russian aircraft. But I guess you have to get paid at the Putin troll farm.

[@rs-dp6pr]

@@michaelwilliams2430 it is so true and it hurts.. understand all the football game chanting got into your head and you just can't accept the truth.. Defence news and GAO.. even star and stripe.. US military news outlets put out articles on maintenance and unreliability of the program.. the cost overrun is also very public.. your room temperature IQ and I am better because I am American attitude won't get you far in life..

[@奇门道]

It's boring to comment on whether a fighter is good or bad because of the nationality of the video maker. 1. The J20 doesn't have a machine gun because the J16 will be operating with him. 2.J20 will never act alone, KJ200 early warning aircraft must be in the distance to assist J20 to find F35, which in the East China Sea six months ago, the two met to confirm this, especially to remind you that J20 was the first to find the Japanese and American coalition F35. 3. You said that China's old 3 generation fighter will make the F35 very busy, I guess you did not know that these old guys will be converted into AI drones, F35 will indeed be very busy. 4. You always talk about fighter performance, but you never consider the strategic perspective, because China will launch a large number of DF21D, DF17 super hypersonic missiles to attack all enemy airfields and even aircraft carriers, which means that the F35 combat radius is 0, J20 is 3000.. 5. What I think should be commented on most is the EF/A18 vs J16D electronic fighter confrontation, I guess both Chinese and American radar went blind. 6. The Korean War proved that there is no winner in the Sino-US conflict, and peace is the only option. A country with a history of 5,000 years, has accumulated a large number of war psychology, tactics and strategic strategies, China has experienced a strong for 4,000 years, but also experienced the Western and Japanese invasion of the modern 200 years of suffering, China is a very comprehensive and experienced country. The United States is young and powerful, China is old and steady, because in the history of China, there have been many powerful countries like the United States today, China knows how to face the United States, and the United States has always been unable to face China.

[@redrolo149]

The nice thing about the F-35 is that it's probably not alone and even though it may have a smaller missile carrying capability, it can basically ask another networked fighter that /can/ carry larger, longer range missiles -perhaps a missile carrier like an F15EX hanging out a ways back- to fire on a target for it and pass authority over that missile to it.

[@johnnybegood3017]

Except that China has 'networking' capabilities that match or far exceed that of the sheeeeet F-35. Face facts, bubba -- the F-35 is a pile of unmitigated sheeeeyite !

[@michaelwan4268]

well this works for other country, but for China this is not a valid option....

[@ritu8985]

J-16 solos F15EX which is essentially the sidekick of J-20

[@redrolo149]

@@ritu8985 J-16 would never get close enough. There is no solo fights, that's dumb. There won't be any F-15 flying alone deep into territory where there'll be a J-16. We'll send in stealth jets to find enemy planes and lock them with radar so the F-15 can fire it's missile from a stand-off position long before an enemy fighter even knows it's be targeted

[@ritu8985]

@@redrolo149 yeah it doesn't work like that, the same thing you said about using the F-15 can be applied to J-16 which has longer range missiles than any American air to air you can look it up.

[@paullemon6542]

You are totally awesome and thanks for your service

[@olderchin1558]

A few points worth considering. The fighters are not alone in the fight, ground and air AEW, command and control will play a very big role in detection and directing fire. A Stealth fighter is only stealth if it not operating its radar or in non-emitting mode. In a peer to peer fight, tactics would be everything in a mainly BVR fight. Even in the gulf wars, most engagements were BVR. Pilot training may not have such a big role here, considering the use of large number of AI assisted drone fighters as well. Missile evolution, AAM are going to be far more capable with improved sensors and AI guidance. The Chinese very likely believe that the short range PL10 will be close to 100% kill rate. The F4 was ahead of its time, assumed AAMs will be effective enough when it was still in its infancy. AAMs and SAMs are game changers today, look to Ukraine as an example. And all of the Chinese fighters can carry PL10 and PL15, a rumoured extreme range AAM PLxx for taking out tankers and AWACs is also being deployed. The F35 is slower, climbs slower and fights lower. The J20 will take the high ground in a sensor fusion position with AWACs and the F35 will likely be engaging a J16 in a missile exchange instead. A J16 carries a lot more missiles., PL15 and PLxx. I believe the F15EX would be a more effective fighter in this environment. The F35 limited range will also make it less useful in likely combined aerial naval exchanges. Both sides would be launching long range cruise missiles from sea and air and fighters deployed to escort these assets.

[@douginorlando6260]

Don’t expect a j20 to fly alone. Once a stealth is detected by any of them,then they all see it and can fire long range missiles at it. China may use leftover old generation fighter aircraft sweeping 50 miles up front. If it is attacked then the F35 has revealed itself and can be attacked by China’s latest generation aircraft firing PL15s from 50 mikes back. If the F35 does not attack, then the old aircraft will detect it when at close range. Either way, this tactic trades an old aircraft for an F35 and a successful mission.

[@gavinoreilly1501]

And you expect the F-35 to be alone? Laughable.

[@nimbusnation9584]

Plasma canon don't forget the plasma conon.

[@miguelsampaio1506]

The US has been building stealth aircraft since the 80s while this is china's first ever stealth jet, even if the J-20 is as stealthy as China claims (doubt), US pilots have tons more experience when it comes to tactics, tons of exercises including red flag should ensure that pilots are being trained to handle stealth aircraft in combat, F-35s and even F-117s are being used for aggressor training, they have also flown stealth aircraft in combat and are more familiar with their strengths and weaknesses, certainly US pilots will have an edge over Chinese ones as they are better prepared both for using stealth and countering it. I also find it hard to believe that the J-20s avionics and sensors are on par with the F-35 since there hasn't really been a time when eastern aircraft have had a technological advantage over western designs, they are certainly comparable in terms of kinetic performance and physical qualities (speed, agility, payload, range, etc) but not when it comes to radar and other systems.

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Hey thanks for the comment!

[@fabianabongo6284]

Well, the US was also the first nation to produce computer chips, but right now, S. Korea, Japan, and Taiwan produce more and better chips than the US. The Netherlands produce far better lithography machines. And China is catching up really fast. Same goes to eV. Tesla started but BYD is now leading. Being first doesn't always mean being better. China learned a lot from the US previous programs through "technology transfer" as the US admits. China hacked into US f-35 program and stole very important information.

[@kirstyblack3432]

China is also known for telling lies. how do we know anything they say about J-20 is true? On the flip side, we (the West) will sometimes hide or play down our equipment's true capabilities.

[@ExarchGaming]

you'll notice here that Max..... wasn't saying much about the F-35. Nothing about the missiles... the electronic warfare systems, etc. for a simple reason...he can't. It also pays to downplay the capabilities of the F-35 to lull the chinese in to a false sense of security/superiority imo.

[@patrickweaver1105]

@@fabianabongo6284 BYD is a disaster. They're not leading as anything except a fire hazard. Chinese lithography machines are primitive at best fraudulent at worst. Intel and AMD are both American companies who actually designed the chips being produced in other nations. Most of what China has stolen they can't reproduce. Until China solves it's corruption problems they'll never catch up.

[@larky368]

The J20 should be called the Scarecrow because it serves the same purpose. It tries to resemble a real threat so it can fool it's enemies into avoiding it.

[@falcorthewonderdog2758]

Hard to believe an AI controlled jet didnt automatically shut down once the pilot ejected. No one thought of this?

[@needtau4138]

That's why I think its possibly and issue with the electronics

[@mitchjames9350]

Or it will make its way back to base.

[@johnwayne7673]

well technology is great....when it works 🤣🤣

[@artiejones6417]

Bec AI doesn’t want to die. 😅

[@andrewjansen9702]

J20 pilot: I really hope those raptor boys don’t show up F35 pilot: I’m bout to end this man’s whole career.

[@keithtran6517]

If I am a fighter pilot, I would pick the J20 over the F35, any time of the day. The J20 can fly faster, better manuver, carry a bigger gun with PL15 is better than anything in the US arsenal, longer range than the F35. The rest are either better or equal to the F35 in stealth or avionics.

[@West_Coast_Mainline]

“PL-15 is better than anything in the us arsenal” I know you’re a chinese fed, you glow, but you can’t act like the pl-15 isn’t a somewhat worse amraam, and finally, no sane fighter pilot chooses maneuverability over the worse stealth of the j-20

[@poochie5543]

The only way your a fighter pilot is one in GeoFS lmao.

[@bharatc.sampat6406]

Wonderful

[@donkeychan491]

The Chinese will have integrated real-time radar information from their geostationary radar satellite (which the US lacks) so these F35's will be fully visible to their J-20 pilots & likely taken out by their longer range missiles.

[@atomsk01]

You, my friend, rock that video as well as you rock that mustache.

[@MaxAfterburnerusa]

Thank you friend! 🔥🔥

[@orosalsero]

The F-35 would win hands down, not because it's the most sophisticated aircraft but because America has the highest skilled, trained and fearless fighter pilots in the world.

[@mitchjames9350]

The J20 is supposedly meant to take out US carriers and it doesn’t have a gun.

[@Wvk5zc]

yea yea. Keep telling yourself that

[@nandotorres4461]

of course, according to Hollywood

[@nvalidwerdz1078]

@@Wvk5zc Fearless is a bit much, but nobody trains more often or more effectively than the US military. We dump more money than the rest of the world combined into producing the most sophisticated and comprehensive training programs in history and then we drill them relentlessly.

[@thomaszhang3101]

@@kuckoo9036and what make you think the J-20 pilots weren’t doing the same?

[@TK199999]

The F-35 is multirole stealth fighter, while the J-20 is essentially an all weather day night stealthy interceptor. Also the the J-20 doesn't have a gun nor has a gun pod ever been seen (in fact the possibly J-35 will also not have gun or gun pod), so the J-20 is never intended to dog fight. Many think its not even meant to get WVRM fights and it carriers IR missiles to shoot at range to keep US/Western stealth fighters suppressed while it disengages. Its believed Chinese doctrine is just to fire off BVRM missiles to suppress enemy air assets, not even necessarily kill them. That is similar to Soviet/Russian air combat doctrine.

[@robertochacon5338]

f-35 is not going to kill itself when shooting a missile.

[@dustinchen]

u sure about that lol

[@justindressler5992]

Finally someone with some knowledge, on youtube. I think the number of missiles on target improves the chance of tacking out your opponent, also im guessing in stealth they will all be using passive sensors and guidance from AWACS. In a world war i would expect AWACS of both countries to be the primary target before anything else. I think the stealth's wont be used to support squads but more like used to hit high valued targets to enhance 4 gen capabilities. Either way the Chinese keep intercepting f-35 over the south China sea so im not sure how stealthy they are.

[@奇门道]

J20 meet F35 in East China sea already. How Chinese see F35 first？

[@gavinoreilly1501]

Everybody keeps bringing up this meeting between J20 and F-35. When did this happen? The only source is Chinese State Media which is a hilariously inaccurate source.

[@GBTB3-]

f-35 is better love your vids tho

[@dinosnider6809]

1) F-35 operating costs don't seem to be low despite a single engine 2) F-35 will need a new engine to use all those coming upgrades 3) J-20 has supercruise so will have fuel and positional advantage to boot 4) a difference of philosophy. the J-20 can have 2 internal IR missiles. The F-35 could wingtip mount them, but would lose its stealth edge. However, the J-20 lacks an internal cannon. The F-35A, at least, has one. So once within close range, maybe the F-35'd try to go for a clinch too close for missiles.

[@robertdillon9989]

F3 5 is a dog and requires major updates. They’re trying to make one plane be a jack of all trades master of none.

[@brianbrooks4504]

There’s a reason we sell the f-35 to everyone and not the f-22 raptor. It’s. Nicknamed fat Amy for a reason. And also would like to thank u for ur service👍

[@AllenTam]

I think what's on paper doesn't mean jack. I'm taking into account that China's military corruption, crappy maintenance, substandard parts, unreliable/yesterday chips, and not to mention everything made in China will catch on fire or blow up on its own, and worst of all, inexperience pilots, I'm going to say F-35 pilots will win hands down, smoked the J-20 every freaking time.

[@jetli740]

so what experience F35 have? F22 experience shoot down a balloon

[@morninghope1]

Did you just came out from living under a rock grandpa?

[@popajoekiller]

watch out the small angry chinese men came out to attack you. I agree with you though, the chinese weapons/aircraft/ships are all copied or stolen. This means that they are most likely not up to standard, IE: the chinese aircraft carrier they made a big deal about is already cracking. Their weapons probably do not work well and their planes also suck. I believe the US did some kind simulation where the f35 went 100-1 against the chinese equivalent.

[@AllenTam]

@@jetli740 American pilots have been flying combat missions since 9/11/2001. Each generation passed on the skill to the next. When was the last time China flowed in combat? Vietnam. And they got ass whipped by American pilots.

[@jetli740]

@@AllenTam shooting down balloon or bomb goat herder dont really add much experience. you need to go head to head with near peer enemy before count can count as experience. oh dont mention vietnam.. it a big embarrassment for you yanky. they shoot down your jet and b52 using primitive weapon. kick ur arse so bad you have to run away.

[@atlasx5947]

F35 and F22 which one is better？

[@swing-life]

J36 and j50 vs f35 and f22 which one is better?

[@dray7579]

No one could convince me that Shin-na could even be compared to the USA when it comes to combat. They will be just like Russia, a paper tiger.

[@你看个锤子你看]

Even the Americans cannot defeat the Taliban, are they no more than paper tigers?😅

[@小洋-y7l]

@@你看个锤子你看美国永远就是嘴硬。他们已经忘了朝鲜战争的失败

[@davidshackelford77]

​@@小洋-y7l South Korea is free! So the US didn't lose shit!

[@Crash-yp7ll]

They have completely different roles - F-35 is essentially a gen 5+ stealthy A-7 attack aicraft, whereas the J-20 'appears' to be a gen 5- stealthy MiG-25 interceptor aircraft - Thrust-vectoring helps, but probably not enough - My opinion.

[@GTFO_0]

😂😂Crash 35 will crash Before It even starts to fly lol

[@justinholtman]

Maintenance on the j-20 has to be brutal. Cool technology but think I like the reliability and who’s flying more than what’s flying.

[@blakewu1375]

I like my chances in a P51 against the J20.

[@islandmonusvi]

Range Advantage on attack …is not necessarily a good thing…when returning to base includes significant external vulnerabilities. When only 20% make it through air defenses to strike a long range target, then less than 10% will manage to make it back to base. Pilot attrition is usually the controlling factor when it comes to high performance aircraft. The idea that F-35 v J-20 dogfights will be a common occurrence is ludicrous…except in the cinema.

[@ohyeahwhat5387]

The Chinese J20, the best that money can steal.

[@Lancacee]

There will be AI jet. However, it seems that CCP has already lost in AI competition.

[@joshmaitland1293]

Wierd question, that wooden wing on the shelf behind you, where did you get that? My dad a bunch of them outta the 67th. Just wondering what are the chances..

[@shahzadashraf370]

F35 is so invincible it destroyed afghanistan,iraq,vietnam,syria,lebanon.....against no airforce it is absolutely flawless

[@oberstleutnant787]

F-35 will be the seating duck of J-20 which is more stealth, faster and loaded with more longer range air to air missiles.

[@gavinoreilly1501]

What’s your source bud?

[@UFO-Ark]

J-20 is more inline with the f22/F15 ? Reminds of the F23 prototype... F-35 is a multirole craft... would it be sent on fighter duties??

[@drewparcel1727]

I couldn’t imagine, taking apart, a jet engine in my own native language…

[@imperfectlump6070]

I could take it apart. Getting it back together is a different matter.

[@Realcjs]

Are f35s able to determine what kind of jet is on radar target?

[@nexpro6118]

Usually but not 100% of the time. If the US has the enemies aircraft radar codes, than yeah, US jet pilots/aircraft/radar can tell what type of aircraft it is. Also the, IFF attenas on the aircraft are designed to tell what type of aircraft is it, even in the 4th gen fighters

[@gjohn6910]

KZbin is full with those 1 vs 1 illusional fight videos, they never talk about the whole system, the geography.

[@Secssl128g]

You truly are awesome PLEASE do a video about block IV - I wanna know

[@lizhijun1116]

I don't think the modern war will be a f-35 solo with a J-20，it’s based on the whole system such as radar、datalink、C4I etc..both theF-35/F-22 and J-20 are not aiming each other as their top mission.

[@heretolevitateme]

The J-20 is probably a very effective anti-ship platform.

[@Ieo9017]

Word is the domestic Chinese engines burn up faster and have around half the service life of the ones they were importing from Russia. It'll likely improve pretty quickly, but apparently they're having growing pains.

[@dbadwadar6388]

what's most interesting is most people here needs a calculator to do a 10-3.99 and chances are they are gonna pounch the number wrong on their first try, but by looking at a picture they can tell the RCS of a plane😂😂😂😂😂😂