F-350 leveled on 37's. Carli Backcountry. Toyo AT3

[@Zack7228]

Thanks for taking the time to make this video. I have a 2022 F350 Tremor with the 6.7. I have never bought anything like this before….and I love it! I probably won’t do a complete suspension upgrade, but, am considering replacing the stock shocks with Bilstein 5100….or maybe one of the Carli ones? In your opinion…would either of those make a difference? I am interested in seeing your review on the Toyo AT3….i was getting ready to get a set of Wildpeak AT3W…but they have been discontinued. Being replaced with the AT4W which I believe is about 7 pounds heavier. I also would like a very quiet tire, that is good on snow….I live in Durango, Co. I will check you other videos to see if you did a review on the AT3. Thanks again…

[@avgdadgarage1982]

@Zack7228 hi there… full disclosure I have since sold this truck and am now in a half ton but I’ll give you my 2 cents on the tires and shocks etc. I’ve had a lot of trucks the past 10 yrs or so. Many with different suspension setups/shocks tires etc.. for shocks. I have yet to really notice much difference in shocks and I have ran bilstein/fox and Rancho shocks on a bunch of diff trucks. The biggest variance is springs on these big heavy trucks. The shock doesn’t affect the ride nearly as much as the springs / leaf springs. Carli front coils and or some Deaver rear leafs would be your biggest game changers on the ride if your super duty. Just changing the shocks doesn’t effect the ride hardly at all if your still on the stiff springs/leaf packs. As for tires! I did like the Toyo AT3’s. They held up well but do get a little noisy as they age. They look real good/aggressive too in my opinion… having said that… I’ve had 2 trucks since that F350. Another f350 and now a half ton ram. On both of these I am/have went with wild peak At3w’s. They ride noticeably smoother and quieter than the AT3 in my opinion. I have been very impressed with them for overall ride/feel/wear etc. the next set of tires I do will 100% be the At4w wild peaks. If I had a choice I would pick the wild peaks every time over the Toyo. To be fair I ran 37’s in the Toyo and both wild peaks I’ve had are 35’s. Hope that helps you some way. 👍

[@Zack7228]

@@avgdadgarage1982

[@jonlebon7106]

Excellent build, I’m doing this same exact kit on my 22, although I’m getting the radius arms. Well explained detailed video, finally the rear block was explained correctly, basically saying it’s a block that’s 1” taller than the stock block. When they told me they’re putting a 3” block it didn’t make sense to me, now I realize it’s going from a stock 2” to a 3”. Thank you for that.

[@avgdadgarage1982]

I had the same concerns with the rear block 👍

[@ashleemattearl]

Hi mate love the video, I’m interested to know what the total height of this truck is to the top of the black antennas on the roof, cheers Matt from Australia

[@kenmiks5399]

Liked the video … very honest review! I have done 3 super duty trucks the past 7 years . Short bed, Long beds, all f350 single rear wheel . All of them I put the Carli 4.5 pintop with add packs on rear. The last one I’m still driving is 2019 platinum 4.5 pintop all upgrades possible! Radius arms long travel airbags sway bar . All my trucks ride soooo much better then they ever did in stock form! When I put the sway bar on the platinum truck ….”it really was like putting independent front suspension” on my truck! That sway bar is absolutely the best way to get your truck to help tremendously with “Ride Complience” . I’m having Cal Truck in Rocklin upgrade my pintop shocks to the E Venture … I’ll let you know how that upgrade works out! Ken

[@kenmiks5399]

Also if you need help with the forscan … I did it on my truck! I have 37’s . Now Speedo is perfect. Also changed the tpsm to 50psi all four corners! Ken

[@avgdadgarage1982]

@@kenmiks5399 nice thanks… let Chris at Cal Truck know about the forscan… he and I were talking and he was convinced couldn’t make 37’s work on forescan. They did my tire pressure calibration when they did my truck so they know how to use forscan

[@brandonperschon449]

I have an 11 F350 and I can't stand the ride off road. It's my work truck and hunting truck. I want to be happy with my truck and I'm thinking of doing the whole Carli set up including the soft ride leafs. Anything that I should consider or not waste my money on? I want to love it and not have any regrets.

[@seffyswole]

Appreciate the walk-through, and the honesty. With so many kit options sometimes I think less is more.

[@tylersnider5012]

I have a 23 with a ready lift level spring kit. With fox shocks with resi. I’m on the fence on buying that adjustable track bar and sway bar kit. But idk if it’s going to help that much. Curious if you’ve ever ran a ready lift. Just wondering if the ride quality is better with Carli….Basically in a nut shell. I think your truck looks good.

[@avgdadgarage1982]

Never had a ready lift but I would assume it’s a similar “on road” experience…. Since this one I did a Eibach kit on a 2011 super duty and it rode ok… not as good as this but kinda not a fair comparison.

[@tylersnider5012]

@@avgdadgarage1982 thank you for the info. Greatly appreciated!

[@lakeview70124]

Your truck looks awesome. Are the 37’s still worth it? They look sick. With towing and traveling thru jobsites I got to have a spare. Cjc has the replacement hitch to fit 37 but damn it’s $3000. It seems once you start throwin money at the truck, it doesn’t stop.

[@avgdadgarage1982]

Thanks. I don’t have that truck anymore as my daily needs have changed. But I’ll give you my opinion. That truck towed just fine on 37’s if your a tow once or twice a week type guy as I was… it rode better than stock but if i did it again I would just do the commuter kit not the more expensive reservoir shocks. It was a very nice truck and rode great for what it was. How big it was. The 37’s were not an issue at all on my opinion.

[@lakeview70124]

Ok cool, thanks for your experience and input. My work burns up/destroy tires pretty quickly so I might as well pick a size and try it out. I can always change tire sizes later. Thanks again.

[@bluewave18ft]

Great review of both the Carli and the tires. I'm waiting on delivery of the signature system with the torsion bars for my 24 250 Tremor. I'm right there with you on the tires. I've had the AT3 before and the Wild peaks. I'm still torn on going from stock 35s to 37s. Not a fan of the Duras that it came with. You convey the info perfectly and no dumb shit.

[@avgdadgarage1982]

After those I have had the fallen wildpeaks twice now and prefer them ride/noise wise to the Toyo. But you can’t go wrong

[@bluewave18ft]

@@avgdadgarage1982 You make a point on the weight. I have the 7.3 with 4.30 gears so I think the added weight will be a noticeable decrease in mileage when I'm already at an abysmal 11.5 gpm. lol. You could argue we dont guy these truck for mpg's but its gotta be considered.

[@ryanshea2042]

How did you deal with the spare tire...did the 37" AT3 fit in under the bed where the normal spare is stored? Love he AT3'S have them on my Rubicon 392, best tire!

[@avgdadgarage1982]

I just left the stock spare. I dont think a 37 would fit… figured I’d deal with it if it ever was an issue make for a long day lol

[@ryanshea2042]

Hey Thanks for the quick reply my friend!!! Will leave as is then I am thinking....just got a Tremor San Diego@@avgdadgarage1982

[@ryanshea2042]

meant super duty not San Diego

[@bubba99009]

Plan on getting the commuter on a 22 F-350 7.3 and running 37x13.5 tires - the external reserviour looks cool on the backcountry kit but not sure it looks $500 cooler and I think from a practical POV that's the main difference. I guess I'll need to put a bigger block in back too - was hoping it would sit level with just the front done on a 350 but I guess not. Def don't want to end up with a reverse rake.

[@FROGMAN524]

That’s a very clean truck. And I’m a GMC guy.

[@avgdadgarage1982]

Thanks! I think that new Denali be my next one. New Interior is 👌

[@blakebraboy6909]

Keep the videos coming. Great detailed and informative videos. I’m in Nor Cal not far from you, I recognize the area.

[@blakebraboy6909]

I get 8 mpgs pulling my 5ver to Tahoe. If possible you should do a mpg video. Also, you should check out sport mode and deep sand and snow. Feels like a tune. FYI I follow @Aaron Powerstroke tech on KZbin for good information on these trucks.

[@avgdadgarage1982]

@@blakebraboy6909 no sport mode on the diesel that I'm aware of but I've used all of them... transmission is tuned a little diff in then all

[@mathewelton3895]

Great vid man. I'll be waitin' for the next update!

[@avgdadgarage1982]

Thanks... I'll have a pedal commander vs. pedal monster comparison video on it soon.. general update 👍

[@mathewelton3895]

@@avgdadgarage1982 Hell yeah. I had a pedal commander on my 16 ram 1500 and loved in. Looking at getting one for my '06 cummins too

[@avgdadgarage1982]

@@mathewelton3895 check out the Banks Pedal Monster... im curious to see if any difference in performance but I do like the safety of it being looper into/powered by OBD2 and not just in line with the throttle wiring. If it fails you don't loose the pedal

[@mathewelton3895]

@@avgdadgarage1982 Yeah I'll check it out right now. You raise a good point...

[@mathewelton3895]

I see they have the splitter adapter too, That way you can stack different devices into the OBD2 at once

[@XxestebanxX24]

where can i get the rear blocks with the u bolts thanks excellent video

[@avgdadgarage1982]

The shop that did my install got them from Carli I believe

[@GA-250RX]

@avgdadgarage1982 looks great brother!! Exactly what I am looking to do. Love the tire set up!! You said u didnt egt the upgraded radius arms - whats the benenfit if u did get them? Last can u tell us what the total cost was with the install on the suspension but not tires n wheels. Thx brother!

[@avgdadgarage1982]

The only advantage to the Carli radius arms that I am aware of is strength over stock and a slight bit more of adjustment capability for setting caster angle… other than that they look really clean but not for the $ for me… for the suspension components that were installed was right in the 6500$ range without wheels tires… wheels/tires were about 3500$

[@Alaska610ish]

This gets better and better!!! That’s what I want and skip the Tremor package.

[@Jassman3536]

I have had a few different suspension lifts..and Carli by far is the best. My latest is a 2020 F250 7.3 with just the 3" leveling system. I added sway bar end links, rear shocks, adj. track bar, high mount steering stabilizer. I went with the least expensive lift only cause I knew it would be a improvement over stock and happened to be in someone elses truck that has the same system you have. I work this truck and pull bobcats, front end loaders and a heavy 34' catamaran. I sold the stock 275 65 R20's and went to a larger 295 65 R20 which is 35.4...Tire was Yokohama X-AT. it still looked a lil small to my liking...so I sold those tires after 1 month as well as the stock black Ford wheels and switched to a 9" wheel and 37 12.5 20's. I again went with those X-AT's cause I liked them better than the Nitto Ridge grapplers. I wore them out at 40,000 miles which seems to be the norm on all my F250's and 350's. I then went with the Falkins...heard great reviews but was skeptical. These by far are the best tire I have had on and off road pulling my equipment out of the jobsite. They don't load up and they are only about 5% louder than those stock Michelons. Tires make a big difference and pressure is the other thing that helps with the ride. 50 front 44 rear is where I keep these. I ended up getting a 5 Star tune which gave me a lil more power in the tow set up but mainly to adjust the speedo. Subscribed

[@avgdadgarage1982]

Good stuff. I use my truck daily in similar use/ pulling trailers/equipment… I wouldn’t spend the extra $ on the reservoir shocks again. The 2.0 are adequate for the street for sure. Prob wouldn’t do the 1200$ sway bar again either. Enjoy your truck. Thanks for the commennt

[@zachgregory1289]

It’s the leaf springs that would help out a bunch. But then loss towing payload, then you need air bags for getting the better payload back etc etc and bam another $3k gone lol.

[@avgdadgarage1982]

Ya overload springs coming off and dual bellow ReadyAir long travel bags going on very soon. Sitting in the garage waiting to be installed. But I don’t think the ride will ever be super nice.. used to it now.

[@dangerranger862]

Perfect setup

[@ozzymed8136]

The Carli backcountry kit makes a big difference off-road. I have the whole Carli set up , toyo rt tires and my F350 dually rides like a Cadillac.

[@avgdadgarage1982]

👍 Ya I'm interested to see how it feels Off-road... I thought it would be better on the street with all the hype about Carli ... maybe I expected too much.... Still happy with it overall

[@willb7975]

Just catching your vid, after installing a 2.5 com utwron my 2017 F350. Same truck configuration as yours. I just did the kit contents, nothing extra and still stock lariat 18" wheels. Agree,the ride is better, but not earth shattering, even with Fox 2.0s. Do you feel any intermitent vibration thru your steering wheel?I am thinking it's the track bar vibrating against the frame mount due to angle, which cjc said is normal with spherical joint. Thanks in advance and look forward to AT3 review.

[@avgdadgarage1982]

I don’t feel any vibration or feedback in the wheel. I do have a high mount steering stabilizer though, not sure if you have that. I do have the track bar and also the sway bar with the end links. Ideally I would have liked to have done this kit a piece at a time…. Add the springs drive it a while, shocks drive it, add the track bar and drive it etc so you could feel the difference with each piece as you add it. But overall it drives very well for a big truck on 37’s

[@fergotti]

Considering commuter vs back country. If you had to do it again what would you do differently? I use my truck the same as u. Thanks in advance

[@avgdadgarage1982]

Commuter all the way with just a track bar. Maybe add the sway bar after to see if it’s a big difference. I will do things in stages next time. To see the difference each piece makes.

[@charles17508]

What a fast job up here in oregon that would take 2 days for shore .

[@avgdadgarage1982]

They do Carli stuff on the fords and rams a lot

[@136seanm]

I just got my truck about 3 days ago.. its great but the gas.. whoooo.. 7.3l

[@avgdadgarage1982]

Ya comes with the territory. Enjoy your new truck

[@charles17508]

Gonna be nice for the backroads and I bet it humbs along i5 like a champ.

[@Icutmetal]

What’s a humb?

[@ronpollockdrywall]

I got Falken Wldpeaks on my Expo that hold 80 psi

[@FishermanBarry]

Thanks for posting! I have a couple of questions if you don't mind. I have a 2019 F350 8' Crew Cab very similar to your setup with a Carli Commuter 2.5" leveling kit. I also have Black Rhino -18 offset rims with 275/70R18 Toyo MT tires. I am considering going to the same tires you have next time they are due for a change. You mention that you have +18 offset rims - does that not push your tires too close to the radius arms? I do not mind a little bit of plastic trimming but I am worried about rubbing on the inside components when turning. Thanks for any help you can provide.

[@rjrrtheis1]

Who did the install?

[@avgdadgarage1982]

Cal Truck specialties in Rocklin

[@hectorrios4444]

Does the commuter ride better than the back country on road?

[@avgdadgarage1982]

Yes they are a bit softer of a shock they say The backcountry is supposedly valved a bit stiffer for Offroad, not sure how much of a difference it really is…

[@hectorrios4444]

@@avgdadgarage1982 I’d rather have a softer ride

[@avgdadgarage1982]

@@hectorrios4444 I agree if I did a Carli system again I wouldn’t do anything more that the commuter and a track bar

[@avgdadgarage1982]

@@hectorrios4444 If you are looking to do a leveling system on your truck… look at the Eibach pro truck kit. Front springs and all 4 shocks for 800$… it’s close to as good as Carli and 1/2 the price. I almost think that they make the entry level commuter shocks for Carli….. not sure… I just did a Eibach kit on my 2011 and it made a big improvement

[@Alaska610ish]

Why does that dash blink? Driving me nuts.

[@Icutmetal]

Darn.

[@zachgregory1289]

It’s the camera with the frame rate and lcd/led lights and screens. The truck isn’t actually doing that.

[@ramseychampagne1869]

Have you got a chance to play with the FORScan yet? I bought the adapter but havent had a chance to download the program and mess with it. I want to change my tire size for 37's (my speedometer is 5 moh off with 37's), change my low air pressure sensor light numbers (the tire light drives me crazy) and do the bambi mode for the fog lights.

[@avgdadgarage1982]

I tried and could not get it to take the 37" tire. The guys at the shop that did my Carli system changed the tire pressure for me. The main guy there has tried many times on these fords to get the 37's re programmed and he says he cannot get it to take on the 37's. It's too far outside what they offer from ford 35's is no problem

[@MTB-od1hp]

Drop your tire pressure to 30 -35 psi. It will feel way better

[@avgdadgarage1982]

I did... it was a little better but not crazy better.. I tow too often to run around that low all the time. I'd be airing up/down all the time ... pain... it's good for what it is

[@edmundlynch4057]

what's your fuel miles with the 37s?

[@avgdadgarage1982]

14-15 around town... 18-20 freeway

[@andrewrenner5809]

And shit you put some miles on your truck haha. 8k already! My ram has 6k and I’ve owned it little over a year now 🤣. Do you use yours for work?

[@avgdadgarage1982]

Ya I drive a lot... daily driver for work and everything inbetween

[@andrewrenner5809]

It’s funny how CJC oversells the shit out of carli products. I felt the same way after putting the commuter kit on my 21 ram 2500. Rode better yea, but not like they played it out.

[@avgdadgarage1982]

Ya I agree... I will be interested to see how it does on some back roads with some speed... I just thought it would absorb the small stuff you feel on normal roads better the way everyone talks up the Carli stuff... I almost went with a Cognito system and Fox 2.5's... I am happy with how it looks though.. stance is right on I think

[@dantheman6931]

I felt the same way with my backcountry kit until I added the deavers. That is what makes the kit in my opinion

[@avgdadgarage1982]

@@dantheman6931 thanks for the info... ya I have heard the same.... just tough to stomach spending the extra $ but I probably will

[@dantheman6931]

@@avgdadgarage1982 same here. I drove on that kit for 2 years before forking out the extra $1000 or so for the leaf packs. I wish I would have done it from the get go, totally different ride now

[@avgdadgarage1982]

@@dantheman6931 ya I guess at this point what's another $1500

[@ronpollockdrywall]

I hate the skateboard look...like what is that look. Nice truck. I just got a nice used F350 Lariat. Its a tank 6.2 2012

[@mbbb7097]

What’s ur mpg on the truck ?

[@avgdadgarage1982]

I just did a 500mi trip to So Cal and got right about 20mpg freeway. Had family of 4 and about 800lbs of gear in the bed including the tool box.... pretty impressive... around town stop lights side streets... 14-15mpg Bone stock I did a pump tomato pump test and got 21.9 freeway