F-5 Tiger Vs Mirage 2000 Dogfight | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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[@anonymous17367]

Alright okay, video 9 seconds ago, comment 27 minutes ago, how??

[@sand.4520]

@@anonymous17367 If you have a membership, you can watch the video sooner... I suppose.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Lol no, KZbin allows creators to post comments before you guys see the video the delay is due to KZbin processing the video in preparation for its release.

[@anonymous17367]

@@GrowlingSidewinder oh okay👍

[@tejasHasaan]

Plz make the dog fight between F35 vs Rafale.

[@WestAirAviation]

Back at Base: "You replaced the airshow tracers on that F-5 right?... right?"

[@lb7144]

🤣🤣🤣

[@jag1809]

(insert jordan peele sweating gif) lmaooo im dying from that comment.

[@ghostrider1827]

😂😂😂😂

[@tayyabnaser5649]

I didn't understood this comment until I watched the video: 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

[@AbsoluteSkycaptain]

I assume this is what fighting a protagonist feels like.

[@andrewruss5824]

yup

[@afhostie]

Plot armor

[@laloaguirre9847]

Bet Tom Cruise was in that Mirage

[@traviswalker8933]

​@@laloaguirre9847 yup.

[@JWilliams12117]

That very first "hey guys" you could hear the defeat in GS's voice lol

[@traofficial0015]

Lol yeah

[@Ghoster311]

That Mirage must have been spamming healing potions that whole time.

[@skyhorseprice6591]

😂💥😅🤣🥲😹😂😸😱🤓⚡⚡🖖🤟🤟🤣

[@privatelisting366]

The Mirage pilot was main lining Stimpacks and Psycho each time he got hit! (Fallout reference)

[@beng7844]

Little did GS know the mirage had already consumed 487 cheese wheels

[@skyhorseprice6591]

@@privatelisting366 ⚡💥🤣🥲😹😂😹

[@baginatora]

He ate like 458 potatoes (Skyrim reference)

[@Mike_Romeo]

Only the will of that Mirage pilot kept the plane in the air.

[@SvenTviking]

Shit simulation programming kept that Mirage in the air. I wouldn’t even take that as a loss.

[@razorback20]

The guy with the highest figting spirit always wins. At least, that's what I've learned from anime...

[@adzhoo]

That and Dassault engineers..

[@predattak]

@@SvenTviking it's razbam.... shit is what they do.Never buy from them.

[@Marfius_Au_Marfongus]

The feeling of French superiority kept the plane from falling out of the sky

[@coutxxStatix]

I think the question that needs to be asked is who was REALLY being baited here? The mirage's plan was clearly to get shot and make gs impatient so he'd make a mistake. Classic high IQ move when you start with an advantage

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

wow, I not only got robbed...I got played too...

[@litt5211]

I will agree with you if it is factual the Mirage can take that many hits. I mean that is a friggin tank with wings then.

[@daemonhunter100]

@@GrowlingSidewinder He played you like a damn fiddle!

[@mrbreck1]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Looked like a mirage, flew like a mirage, but its weapons and armor were comparable to an a-10.

[@mindtraveller100]

@@mrbreck1 It is an SU 25 in disguise... lol

[@Stant123]

You think you hit it, but it's a Mirage.

[@MPI1000]

I'm telling all y'all it's sabotage!

[@FightCain]

I’m rafaling

[@r.i.p2464]

I see what ya did there, good one!

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

If you thought you hit it, just hit it more.

[@wither5k788]

@@FightCain I am telling you, I was gripen my seat the whole time.

[@mokka1115]

F5: NO! YOU CAN'T KILL ME IN ONE SHOT! I HIT YOU 4 TIMES! Mirage: Haha delta wing goes brrrrrr...

[@razorback20]

More like DEFA cannon goes brrrr but well... both work.

[@beng7844]

GS: “What do I gotta do? This is 20 mm man!” DCS: “you fool, the F5 can’t shoot down the mirage.”

[@hippoace]

Thats why everyone else uses 27mm or 30mm haha

[@bartoszp.7798]

Ray Holmes: If guns are not enough there is always ram in option.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Speaking of ram... "You simply can't replace RAM, but with more RAM." No replace "RAM" with "mm" :) In other words: Size does matter (that's what she said) XD

[@razorback20]

Mirage : That's 30mm for you. Deal with it. 8-)

[@mokka1115]

F5: It's over french fry! I have hit you four times. It's time for you to surrender. Mirage: *Non.*

[@willsabri4815]

The Virgin M39 20mm vs The Chad Defa 30mm

[@kyodarkness9243]

GS: "WHY WON'T YOU DIE???" Mirage: "Nanomachines, son"

[@unusualbydefault]

This mgr quote is underrated ^^

[@beng7844]

Have you ever fought a US senator with a laser katana?

[@unusualbydefault]

@@beng7844 no, but some oddly charming robodog :p

[@arthurvg2217]

He kept him waiting

[@zaphodt3405]

all you did was turn a French plane into Swiss Cheese :D

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Underrated comment ^^

[@stitch77100]

Well, seeing as there are no holes in Swiss Cheese, are you implying that GS missed all of its shots ? (Oh and, Swiss cheese isn't a thing, I think you're talking about "Gruyère" which is one of the several famous cheese in Switzerland ;) )

[@zaphodt3405]

@@stitch77100 you must be a riot at parties

[@stitch77100]

@@zaphodt3405 Because I know stuffs and point out other people mistakes in a friendly and kinda funny way ? You'd be surprised how well I actually do, especially in Switzerland, as I have lived there for 3 years ;) It's one of those topics that always have to come back when someone speak about holes in cheese. And if you ever ate a Fondue, you'd know the cheeses in it are different than the gruyère. It's kind of a big deal in the Alpine culture tbh. And it's delicious too, which doesn't hurt either. But about the original comment, I agree that GS did hit the mirage quite a few times, and with anything other than a 20mm on a sturdy plane, it would have been a kill. But the mirage is quite a sturdy plane, and the 20mm are not the most powerful ammo in the range. It is the difference between "throw enough [shells] at the enemy, and some of it could eventually disable the plane or the pilot, and the bigger more powerful calibres, like 23 or 30mm, where the rate of fire is lower, so the hit chances are a bit fewer too, but any hit will be crippling and have a real impact. Different philosophy for doing war : quantity vs "quality" (but I'd rather say Impact in this case) The damage model may be broken, or not, I don't know, but the Mirage should not have lasted so long IMO. Especially considering that it is a single motor jet and smoking very dark. But there have been numerous occasion where planes came back full of holes and still able to carry their mission, especially bombers in WW2. So a hit is not always a guaranty of neutralisation, and sometimes, the bullet just rips on highly angled plate, or just goes through. So, the Swiss cheese plane have more chance to continue flying than the one hit by one or two 30mm shells ;) (yeah, I'm kind of a nerd about guns, ammo and ballistic science, which makes actually great party discussions)

[@canicheenrage]

​@@stitch77100 Yeah, people nearly always make the mistake. Also, for the OP, the Mirage's pilot turned the Tiger into a pelt rug. ;)

[@rgrigio]

Hey, a Brazilian Mirage3 pilot said that his DEFA has "about" 6times the "Power" of the 20mm. So "ALL" you had to do was hit him two more times LOL

[@jbepsilon]

Sounds about right. WWII statistics tell that a single 30mm hit was usually enough to kill a fighter, vs. about 5 20mm hits.

[@F15ElectricEagle]

@@jbepsilon - The problem is that Mirage was hit by at least 20 shells from those M39 canons on the F-5. Something is definitely not correct in the modeling/programing of the amount of damage a 20mm HEAPI can do.

[@MegaConrad101]

Lol kind of amazing that the mirage was even able to take off with that many inches of armour plating

[@stanwolford9743]

The damage model at 10:35 shows that you did everything but shoot him in the face. A definite robbery.

[@kennethhicks2113]

Yea, those turbines would have been denigrated!

[@StoneCoolds]

You should fight an f15, those things are immortal, super broken damage model lol

[@kennethhicks2113]

@@StoneCoolds hehe... well they have flown/landed with 1 wing irl... just sayin

[@jonnyj.]

@@kennethhicks2113 Um... so? The f14 has landed with 1 wing literally ripped off. And many others had it worse. Like f105's in vietnam...

[@CuteEvie]

Absolute, stone cold, broad daylight robbery.

[@DanielCPhillips]

As an Aussie, I have real soft spot for particularly the Mirage III, and the whole Mirage family. Our Mirages did consistently well in exercises against the USAF , USN & USMC aircraft, so it isn't surprising that underestimating one with a good pilot could get you killed. The 30mm DEFA cannon in particular, is a bit like an elephant's foot - once it steps on you, you are officially screwed! There is merit to the idea that you don't count your aerial victories until your opponent hits the ground! ;-)

[@pedrodealmeidabianchi3569]

It’s funny, cause is Brazilian Air Force, the f5 and the mirage were rivals, and most of the time the f5 win in dogfights

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

@@valkoharja But only if the pilot in the better platform has the patience to force the fight into what best suits them. Odds are the F-5 and Mirage are better under different conditions, even if the Mirage is a better fighter overall.

[@rogerpattube]

'Everyone' always seems to say they did well against the yanks.The RAF guys hell even RNZAF say they kicked ass with Skyhawks. And of course now RAAF.

[@DanielCPhillips]

@@rogerpattube I think that there is an element of measuring yourself against the elephant in the room. Particularly when the elephant assumes that beating you is going to be a cake walk ;-)

[@nighthawk6755]

@@pedrodealmeidabianchi3569 ye mirage 3 not mirage 2000

[@labmonkey2k]

Reminds me of crimson skies when players could edit their plane to add armor beyond what was allowed.

[@rgrigio]

Wow that explain things. On MP there were guys flying like they had infinite Rocket motors... And were as tough as this mirage LOL

[@labmonkey2k]

@@rgrigio I remember another player had effectively infinite armor on the coptor on the map with no hanger. After doing very well at the beginning of the match being invulnerable he quickly ran out of ammo. The map was the ocean map that no re arming hanger. He flew around for the rest of the match trying to crash into the water to respawn with a full load. He couldn’t do it. Ended up loosing. Was satisfying to watch. To smart by half I guess.

[@groundpounder0541]

GS: This is 20 mil Crew chief: has anyone seen my box of 1000 grape jelly packets?

[@kevsecker3182]

I was thinking paintballs, but either works… or doesn’t in this case. Seriously, he’d have been better off opening the canopy and throwing his helmet at the mirage as it went past.

[@serafeimliakos472]

Looks like some Gaijin dev put his hand in there...

[@fexilsehn6445]

nah not even Gaijin's damage models are this BS... usually...

[@TheDAWinz]

NAh mirage falls out of the sky if it even gets glanced at.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

Reminded me of dumping 2000 rounds of 7.92mm into the back of an I-16 flying straight and level for evaluation purpose in Oleg's World back in the day :D And then wondering why that thing kept on flying - with all that extra weight pumped into it XD

[@tonyrun5802]

Pickup line: hey, are we in a desert? Because you look like a Mirage...

[@Arrow_118]

Ayyyy.

[@gh8447]

😂 Boom!!!

[@davidca96]

I was lel'ing the whole time, GS just couldnt win even after realistically destroying that Mirage.

[@kyodarkness9243]

That Mirage has protagonist level of plot armor

[@Shanex250]

You can't knock the endurance of the Mirage in DCS. I once was flying in a sever with a friend (he was in an F14) while I was flying the Mirage, we went after a group of bandits and at some point during the fight, I took a missile and basically my plane was shredded and my radar was destroyed, but somehow the plane was incredibly flyable and because of the Beauty of the Magic 2s ability to lock on through their IR seeker heads I was able to shoot down the remaining plane with with my Magic 2 despite not even having radar. It is a wonderful plane, though don't expect to always survive everything, in my experience unless they kill the pilot or somehow rip a wing/rudder off, don't ever count it out of the fight. More often than not I am dying cause I got pilot sniped with a missile in the face.

[@privatelisting366]

Someone nerf'd that Mirage. The entire intake path to the power plant was swiss cheese'd by cannon rounds. No more FOD walks if this is how engines run after being shot by cannon rounds.

[@FoxMikeHotel]

That's just the visual damage model, that doesn't mean that bullets made these holes and therefore that these parts were actually hit

[@titaniummechanism3214]

That ending was unsatisfactory to say the least, poor GS, being robbed of his well deserved victory.

[@pietroferrari4279]

i can already tell the depression in GS voice in the first 30 seconds

[@timotheeponzo3516]

wow, that was probably one of my favourite fights! Keep up the great vids :)

[@NeutronRob]

The Mirage pilot has a DCS cheat code. If I was the Mirage pilot I would've probably bugged out after I saw black smoke coming from my plane. Kudos to his persistence.

[@desert_jin6281]

It isn't over until the fat lady sings and he din' hear nothing over his steel balls claning.

[@NeutronRob]

@@desert_jin6281 = GS has a real claim here. Did you see that Mirage? Holy shit! He was riddled with 20mm holes! You mean no absolute vital avionics weren't damaged in those hits! The FCS gets hit, fughettaboutit!

[@nallezpasvoiryarien6049]

@@NeutronRob as soon as you're pretty damaged it's that damage model regardless if the wholes are accurately placed it's always the same ones.

[@stinkyfungus]

@@nallezpasvoiryarien6049 You sure about that? GS called a tracer going into the fuselage just aft of the cockpit - and there is a BIG frigging hole there.

[@nallezpasvoiryarien6049]

@@stinkyfungus it's always there, i 'm learning and dying a lot and i can't say how many times l've seen that hole.

[@kennydee8296]

The Mirage delta wing design is very strong and it needs a lot of hits to cause it to fail, the F5 wing is the exact opposite, the Mirage was very lucky though.

[@EgorKaskader]

While true, he's hit the fuselage repeatedly, and somehow despite there being an internal fire for quite a while, the engine, hydraulics, or avionics suffered no meaningful damage. That engine, in particular, should've been utterly shredded.

[@romeovictor6223]

I've never seen a player use the AI's infamous "infinite loop" in a dogfight before. I was under the impression that it could only be used by entities that did not obey the laws of physics. Fascinating.

[@nallezpasvoiryarien6049]

l personally really feel the difference btween 20 and 30mm, 2-3 30mm can often be game over in my experience, l often need close to 8-10 hits with 20 mm . The challenge in the mirage, like you said, is getting the rounds on target x)

[@chrismillard8222]

A 30mm is 2.5 times bigger in area so the damage is a lot more from a 30mm hit for sure

[@F22raptor272]

The Mirage pilot learned how to take hits to non-critical areas. Very skilled!

[@benspouse9840]

That wasEPIC! And you were the moral victor. Awesome Flying in that F5!

[@Greasyspleen]

It's like the smoke monster from Lost chasing you down.

[@Rationalific]

Dude put in the God Mode code... Man, what a crazy fight. Still, good job for what you managed to do.

[@Power5]

While the F-5 does have twin 20mm, they still only fire at 1/6th the speed of the m61. So not a lot of lead in that 1 second burst. Mirage has same RoF but uses twin 30mm. Both have slow fire rate, but mirage is throwing much larger lead at the little Tiger.

[@mustafaaljobouri1598]

I love the details of DCS … the map that they are fighting on is Dubai and used to live in Sharjah (a place close to Dubai) … so I could almost see exactly where I used to live 😂🤣

[@epapa737]

But when you eject it's POTATO quality on the pilot

[@phlogios]

That Mirage's R2D2 unit needs a raise

[@sgmoncayo2276]

I think the Mirage's damage model might be a bit too strong. Sometimes for me, even a 9X from the Viper cant kill it even with a direct hit on the tail

[@steveman1982]

Epic fight with that monster from Lost.

[@greenmeadows2637]

This man could take any plane and shoot down any other plane. I think I know all of the tactics, and then I'll learn a new one.

[@scourge6563]

"I got robbed" LOLOL I don't know why, but that just struck my funny bone.

[@maestro1947]

in my head watching this video "around and around and around and around we go..."

[@PlayerOneIDK]

You all guys can't understand, this is just pure baguette power, when you unleash it your simply invincible and that's it! 😂

[@eldritchgod4308]

My man harnessed the power of the Maginot just to survive another burst of 20mm

[@AirCicilia]

This calls, screams, growls for a rematch!

[@miranda.cooper]

When you realize you're not the main character in life, _he is_ .

[@ricbish4122]

Another cool video! Great fight! Fun to watch!! Guess you can’t win em all right?? Cool fight!!

[@kenhelmers2603]

Well, that happened... Thanks GS!

[@TheIvanNewb]

You had to rely on trickery. Thing is, so was he!

[@venom56]

Mirage's DM is just "broken". You can hit it with multiple hits from a couple of bursts from the Vulcan cannon, and it will still be flying. Happened countless times...

[@charlie19988991]

Did you use the right amo belts in the F-5E? Happend to me few times

[@sparrowlt]

This is totally like warthunder in most ammo belts.. you hit the other guys 100 times and they keep flying intact like nothing.. they fire randomly in your direction once and the first bullet will end you

[@jamesschiller7247]

"Oh my God. I just got robbed." I'm dying.

[@ilikecereal156]

He took the hits in a non critical area. Maybe he'll teach you when he gets home lol.

[@youramazingvulptexwife4180]

He's probably felled every last ace like GS.

[@FukaiRei27]

@@youramazingvulptexwife4180 GS≪There are pilots like you in every generation≫ GS≪And I DISRESPECTED every last one of them≫

[@Zoddom]

I just love the Mirage but I find it so hard to keep track of my enemy in a dogfight. My TrackIR makes it harder for me, instead of easier. Can you maybe share your Track IR setup GS? Everything with placement of the camera, because for me it does this weird stuff where it moves forward and back a lot when I keep my head up in turn fight, so that when I return to normal position my camera is glued to the hud and its very hard to reset. I feel like Im doing something wrong even though it felt much better when I switched to a 1:1 profile some years ago. Its weird.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Hi man, my trackIR profile is available for download, if you go to the community section of the channel and scroll down its pretty far back but its there, also just make sure you have precision mode on when using it.

[@wurfyy]

@@GrowlingSidewinder I've never used precision mode for my setup and I feel like it makes the response sluggish. What's it good for?

[@wurfyy]

If nothing else works, just disable the forward/backward axis. I think it's the only one I could easily live without if it was giving me trouble.

[@delpierochilipeppers]

"Be wary, for overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer."

[@sidskievaski5937]

Love the under dog role!

[@jacksonegaming]

"the mirage is totally realistic" -RAZBAM

[@SFDPSFDP]

The damage models in DCS are very uneven, quite a few aircrafts in DCS have issues with it, particularly when it is gun/canon damage, hopefully it will be worked on.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

@@SFDPSFDP Definately in the works, DM has been reworked for WWII already and still received refinement - after which ED will rework it on their modern planes and hopefully the 3rd parties will stay in formation with them...

[@jonnyj.]

@@SFDPSFDP The damage model in dcs is really quite good, especially in ww2 modules, where its the best available. Razbam has been saying for YEARS that they will eventually update the shitty damage model for the mirage, but they havent last time I checked. This is not dcs's fault, its razbam working on 10 different fucking aircraft with one programmer...

[@kenchen704]

Kudos to GS for hanging in there. Sincerely unfortunate loss (but I though Mirage should have won a lot sooner and a lot easier?)

[@beng7844]

Probably because this is GS and as he said in the video he was winning because of his tactics and not because of his plane’s capabilities.

[@kyriakos2706]

Was at an air show and there was a Mirage 2000C vs F-16C dogfight (HAF)

[@eddiefu9598]

That comeback

[@TheFanatical1]

Always good to see the F-5 out and flying.

[@TheMadVulpen]

That mirage be using armored baguette armor

[@thegreenmamba100]

Nothing like watching a whole video with dread with every mirage turn

[@DChrls]

Plot twist, that wasn't a Mirage it was the new A10. It just looks like a Mirage. Or the F5 was loaded with mime ammo.

[@beng7844]

After seeing this fight I genuinely would be convinced that this was indeed a reskinned A-10 and not a mirage

[@aaronbryant1008]

Welcome to how alot of of feel playing DCS.

[@jakeedwards5306]

GS dogfighting Harry Potter Death Eaters now😂

[@jakeapplegate6642]

Quality content

[@bbroegger]

they built the mirage like the old IL-2's flying tank :D

[@Newie69MK]

Damn dude. That was a highway robbery right there. Well fought either way.

[@Panzerfire666]

You can hear the Mirage going "Hon Hon Hon" xD

[@its-butters58]

Gs just had a "gamer" moment... "How is he not dead" lmao

[@thomasverner]

Where do you find all these stats on best speed for optimal rate fight? Like how do you know that the f-5 needs to be at around 400kts?

[@amorosogombe9650]

Lol. That's what you get for fighting a classified special armour plated mirage. 😂

[@brenodelgado6875]

So, after watching some of GS's videos I now understand 1-circle and 2-circle fights, but I still don't quite get what makes an aircraft good at one or the other. Shouldn't it be all related to the jet's degrees/second rate of turn? I'm confused.

[@KommissarH]

The way I understand it is that planes that can lose and get energy faster are better at 1 circle and planes that can keep energy on a turn are better at 2 circle

[@sebastiannelson6355]

Its more about nose authority, for example you hear GS talking how the Mirage is constantly pointing his nose at him. That's nose authority and what makes a killer 1 circle aircraft.

[@hippoace]

wing design and the plane tw ratio, sort of determine whether the plane is better in either 1 circle or 2 circle, or somewhere in between...

[@riman8493]

That French crew chief is _not_ gonna be happy once that baguette makes it home...

[@kyuby534]

I can hear the spy from TF2 laughing like a pig as the Mirage returning to base with the f5 kill

[@TheLambdaGuy]

He had the deadringer, that's why he never died

[@moochoman9948]

'are you a eurofighter in disguise?' 🤣

[@ghaley3500]

How are you getting such good viewing angles with your track IR?

[@skyscream]

This reminds me of the infamous auto cannon sparking in war thunder.

[@stevec7445]

man his plane was all stitched up too!

[@bleachdrinker6933]

Ngl this was the best add for the mirage 2000

[@CaptMelonfish]

When two damage models meet!

[@paez4779]

Im curious to any who have a.good knowledge of aircrafts.. what benefits, in terms of maneuverability, would it have to adding a second vertical stabilizer on an aircraft like the F-5?

[@brucejuice169]

LMAO, I needed a good show and laugh😁

[@brianpendell6085]

I suspect shenanigans. That Mirage should have been down multiple times in this fight. We should review the flight recorder to see if the mirage's nose at any point suggested the following joystick input: Up up down down left right left right a b.

[@apostlestumpy]

There's more than one reason she was known as the Miracle in RAAF service!

[@maxcichon2557]

"...from the Gates f Hell, I stab at thee...."

[@johnhunt1725]

THAT DUDE WAS CHEATING!!! Must have figured out how to put his aircraft into God mode.

[@bukhariali71]

The result is annoying and unfortunate. It has happened to me a few times against a F15. That thing never dies. 😳

[@mafiosomemer3730]

Damn you Frenchie backstabbers

[@yuanxinwang8219]

The f-5 for me was the plane you never heard of but is one of THE “planes”

[@theScottishKoala]

World's unluckiest DCS pilot Vs one French Dorito

[@TOMCATnbr]

Eh eh look like i was listened 😁 even if the mirage is the opponent. Hope we will see you in the mirage cockpit soon.

[@lucaspapperitz]

Soul love to see u fly the Viggen

[@hannesorisson1200]

I want to see this from the Mirage cockpit. All the lights flashing, computer screening and so on. Or was it just like... o dear we got hit?

[@LegendzAnimations]

I think your 20mm was replaced by 7.7mm

[@member5488]

That Mirage identified as an A-10.