F-86 Sabre vs Mig-15: Single & Group Korean War Dogfights | DCS

[@nathanhuntoon8099]

Kortana's giggle when Cap flew into the mountain was devastating. 🤣😂

[@neilg8009]

Made my year 😁

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

Savage

[@falcon9983]

Yeah it was lmao

[@rubiconnn]

omg that snort and suppressed laugh was hilarious.

[@Thanatos1986]

G-Force GIGACHAD

[@BoneLancerB]

The more we see Kortana being ruthlessly competent at everything GR does, the more I am convinced she is no mere mortal and is instead the reincarnation of Athena.

[@skyhorseprice6591]

You mean, Athena is the reincarnation of Kortana? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@dexlab7539]

“Kathena” is her name now

[@BoneLancerB]

@@dexlab7539 This is the way.

[@MarkoDash]

Razgriz

[@jaxompol224]

it's amazing how professional GR get when Kortana is in game.

[@dexlab7539]

Yup, the GR guys have to man-up quickly when Kortana is in the house 😂

[@grimreapers]

Yeh we have to behave ourselves.

[@tuskegee87]

Kortana!!! I feel like I haven't heard her voice in forever. Welcome back. One day I'll get in on one of these missions.

[@warbuzzard7167]

Ahhh, yes. It's "Kortana The Hammer," beating on opponents without mercy. GR's ruthless killer has returned to the fold!

[@SakoRichards]

That’s some of the best GR we’ve had in a long time. Thanks for coming guys n gals!

[@SakoRichards]

I think I can speak for many of us agreeing with Kortana about doing a high alt fight. Regardless I hope there are many vids like this to come. The banter and S talking between blue and red during the fight had me dying. Kortana trying to hold back the lol’s flying Cap into the ground was way funnier than it should have been.

[@KortanaDCS]

@@SakoRichards Lmao, yeah, I was relaxing about 1000 feet above him waiting for a good opportunity to pounce when he decided to lawn dart into the mountainside 🤣

[@dexlab7539]

Yes, that was awesome! Best dog fights in awhile. Nice job Kortana! Glad to see you back 😃

[@yahnump]

@@KortanaDCS Should we change his username from SuperCap to MrLawnDart?

[@DripsDrop]

Was a pleasure flying with you Kortana!

[@KortanaDCS]

Likewise!

[@anomalyp8584]

@@KortanaDCS You have actual experience? You sound like a professional

[@KortanaDCS]

@@anomalyp8584 I do have some flying experience irl if that's what you are asking, but I'm not a licensed pilot yet.

[@anomalyp8584]

@@KortanaDCS I'm convinced you would pass easily. You have commander skills as well. It's clear cap sees you as a rival 🤣

[@Chio_OB]

@@anomalyp8584 I dont think Cap has any doubts that Kortana will crush mere mortals, lol!

[@bruce4623]

These are the best fights that I've seen in a while!... MORE PLEASE! 😁

[@RainbowDash-vy2dn]

its nice to finally get a video with both kortana and violet

[@grimreapers]

agreed. can;t wait till Violet skills up and we'll get some serious lady action!

[@RainbowDash-vy2dn]

@@grimreapers might have to have kortana pair up with her to train her

[@connorc4309]

that was a hell of a come back by Violet. great fuel management and flying

[@onefansview9874]

I missed Kortana. Great job new and old!

[@nonamesplease6288]

Many years ago I saw the great Snort Snodgrass flying the Skyblazers F86 in a most spectacular way at the Willow Grove airshow. RIP, Snort.

[@grimreapers]

Cool

[@markstott6689]

Firstly - Welcome back Kortana. You've been missed. Secondly - Thank you Kortana and Violet for the fight I wanted to see (especially as Violet was rather wary a good few weeks ago). It was fun. I hope that you have many re-matches in the future. Thirdly - Thanks Cap. This was a fun filled episode. You were on top form today. I rarely stopped giggling - start to finish. Your war of wits with Simba and Kortana = 🤣🤣🤣 Finally - Thank you to everyone else who flew today. I'm going to bed with a 😃 on my face.

[@grimreapers]

xx

[@christopherjohnson529]

Very entertaining! A few thoughts: 1. There's a wide range of skill on the GR team, but it seemed that the more experienced folks weren't switching sides regularly. We saw Kortana slaying in the MiG-15, but I don't recall seeing her in the F-86. Simba seemed to be in the MiG-15 for both of the group engagements etc. Would be interesting if the teams really did switch sides completely for the group fights, would even out any skill disparities. 2. As others have mentioned, the Sabre's biggest advantages are speed in a dive (up to Mach 0.95 controllable IIRC) and a much superior roll rate. It would be interesting to see pilots use the roll rate more (scissors, etc) against the MiG if this fight happens again.

[@CJB-]

That Mig had a Rolls Royce engine and we now train Chinese pilots. So proud to be British.

[@mattipps]

Thanks... :/

[@grimreapers]

I believe we are banning the pilots from going to China now.

[@billdevitt4324]

This was a really fun one to watch. Great Job Cap & Crew! @Grim Reapers ☺

[@dexlab7539]

“Revenge is best served with Squid” 😂 - Awesome dogfights thx Cap!!

[@exidy-yt]

Cap's 6 o'clock is his eternal weakness. That Kortana/Simba tag-team rope-a-dope was a thing of beauty to watch. 😘 These dogfight videos are just SO much fun to watch. Keep em coming!

[@grimreapers]

TBH I got a lot of weaknesses in gun fights. Nice to watch the other grow in in confidence though.

[@carsonyoder7320]

The dogfight I've been waiting for

[@cochacopen]

From what I've found doing a cursory search the K/D ratio of this duel in real life depended upon the skill of the pilots. When Soviets had some of their best pilots in Mig Alley the ratio was 1.4/1 in favor of the Sabre. After the Soviets pulled their pilots and replaced them with NK and Chinese the ratio ballooned to 5.6/1 in favor of the Sabre. The American pilots were, in general, just better trained.

[@streetcop157]

So happy to have kortanna back

[@lazaglider]

Don't know why but I've enjoyed yesterday's 40's intercept race and this video so much. Cheers guys.

[@grimreapers]

It was genuinely fun and interesting.

[@cesarespinozaspain]

KORTANA we missed you!!!!!!!!

[@jamesa.7604]

This seemed like a situation where the pilots were better than the planes. Everyone did some amazing maneuvering in the air dueling. Simba, Kortana and Violet are really good at dogfighting. Love These videos!

[@Yokoboy045]

What did you expect? That's Cortanna!

[@grimreapers]

yarp

[@snowness110]

Welcome back Kortana!

[@MrRevertis]

Really thrilling series of fights, great fun.

[@ThePaulv12]

Re the VK-1, reminds me a bit of the Brits selling the Dreadnought concept (particularly Parson's steam turbine tech that enabled the whole box and dice to work) to the world in the early 20th Century. Who knows, but it could've stopped the first arms race of the last century.

[@Thuddster]

Such good play-by-play. Some great stick work, GR, super entertaining video! Kortana is GR-core, you are missed (no simping here) when away. Moar, please. :-)

[@TraditionalAnglican]

Chuck Yeager nearly got killed in a MIG -15 in a dive (Mach 0.97), while he had a F-86 up to 1.05 in a dive and recovered with no problem. The F-86 had a 1.3+:1 Kill Ratio v. the MIG-15 when flown by elite Soviet Pilots.

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

There's a History Channel series called the Top 10 ... of All Time and they take the best of every military hardware ever made and rank them. The number one was the P51D Mustang and the Mig 15 and the Sabre tied for number 3 (I think). But when one of the experts said if one of the American Sabre pilots ever saw a Mig 15 up close they would smirk with disdain at how crude and "slapped" together they appeared. Rivets missing, poorly fitted panels, etc. Like most Soviet hardware, they were more interested in quantity over quality. Take a good design, like the T-34 tank or the Mig 15 and start cranking them out. They lived by the motto "quantity has a quality all it's own"

[@euanmontgomery4936]

Think you guys had fun with that . 😊

[@blindazabat9527]

Another interesting bit on how the Soviets got their version of the Rolls-Royce engine is that their first attempts were not very successful because they were not using the right alloy to build the engine. The were invited to visit the R-R factory in England and their delagation members wore shoes with soles designed to collect the chips and scraps from the floor. They analysed their harvest and found out what to build the engine with.

[@voradfils]

Does SuperCap still have a need for a kill counter script? I made an elegant and lightweight bunch for my own use and I think they're pretty much what you're looking for.

[@grimreapers]

Yup send in GR discord please, we can discuss there.

[@OscarZheng50]

wow what a turnaround from the sabres in the first group fight, it came down to a 1v3, everything was o the mig's side until fuel started becoming a problem

[@garymyers6638]

f86 uses flaps in dog fights. Slow it down and turn inside the Mig

[@cypher104]

Excellent fights, great video!

[@lenn55]

Kortana's back! YAY!!!!1

[@Axgoodofdunemaul]

Very educational AND entertaining! Thanks for the good time.

[@randalljones4370]

"That's a mountain"

[@conan670431]

Great fights ..... sorry to let you down a bit but my track IR batt died so my view was locked and could not turn my head...... silly me :) Tons of fun anyway and very close calls :)

[@CRAZYHORSE19682003]

Do they not model the lead computing Gunsight of the F-86? One of the biggest advantages the F-86 had over the MIG was the gunsight. When the target was at the proper range and deflection the gunsight would light up letting the Sabre Pilot know when to pull the trigger. The other advantage that I know they probably don't model is the MIG-15 had a simple cable and pully control system where the Saber had hydraulically enhanced controls. The faster the MIG-15 flew the harder it was for the pilot to get it to turn due to the force required to pull on the stick. Sabre pilots learned to keep the fight as fast as possible where with the hydraulically enhanced controls would let them EASILY outmaneuver the MIG-15.

[@keegandissent2225]

Haha Cap flew into a mountain. Korty slays again. Great stuff GR team. You lot are freaking hilarious. Lmao 🤣

[@ubique6859]

This was a great fun video to watch, love the old dog fights. Thanks GR!

[@rmp5s]

Now with more Katana...ha!

[@memelephant]

Glad that Kortana is back

[@clarkeorchard2304]

one of the best so far

[@Anonymous-gf6ob]

Love your channel, keep it up :)

[@marse5729]

That first 5v5 was so ridiculously intense.

[@rongamblin2107]

You guys are great. Ty

[@daviddoyle982]

Great work GR! Always entertaining!

[@kittyhawk9707]

Love the way Cap has the hots for the Sabre and totally disrespects the Mig and ends up getting owned by said Mig .. having supposedly "better guns and a better wing " are no good if you disregard the abilities of your enemy and you lose in the process.

[@grimreapers]

yup

[@kittyhawk9707]

I found it amusing .. could only happen to SuperCap ... the Mig is very dangerous in the right hands .. I have a soft spot for Migs esp the 17. Good fights though .

[@1985zebulon]

We need more Kortana! But everyone is great

[@Driveby-Viktum]

Hey Cap! I have a Question? Have you ever done a hypothetical Alternate history where the Sabre is the U.S WWII fighter going up against any German fighters from that time period? I would really love to see a squadron of Sabres up against the best of what Germany had to offer.

[@warbuzzard7167]

Sabre v. Me 262

[@Driveby-Viktum]

@@warbuzzard7167 Thanks! I did not see that in a video

[@grimreapers]

Problem is Sabre was sooooo far above any German end of war jet planes. Would be a complete miss-match...

[@reecelawrence3784]

@@grimreapers maybe try with the f80 or f84?

[@Tacticaviator7]

Hey I just wanted to say that wing loading won't instantly make the plane a better turn/rate fighter, the airfoil, thrust to weight ratio and other smaller stuff will matter aswell.

[@grimreapers]

Yes of course but I find it a good guide.

[@jrizos06]

30:15 is the moment we knew Cap was the comedic genius we always knew him to be.. look at that delivery

[@flatcapfiddle]

Love the look of these old fashioned open nose jets. Look aggressive and graceful.

[@kenc9236]

Caps gasp he makes when he almost hits something while flying is hilarious. Good job boys.

[@ryanrundell8538]

Cap, I have been asking Growling Sidewinder to do a particular dogfight for almost a month now. Would like to see you do it. F15 STOL vs SU 57.

[@grimreapers]

We all have the same problem. SU-57 currently has only a partial working Flight Model(hence why we rarely use it), so seems a little bit pointless not to wait until it's ready?

[@voradfils]

Sabre is much far more forgiving as far speed control goes which is going factor into the results. Getting hits is also somewhat easier. This match up is definitely down to pilot skill but I would beat myself with the MiG most of the time thanks to the higher thrust and better sustained turn capability.

[@therobert9521]

The only problem with doing this on CPU is you can't feel the effects of the flight controls. Yeah the Mig 15 could rate with a Sabre, but for how long? The Sabre had Hydraulic assisted flight controls so the pilot could do a high g turn all day. The Mig was cable control so the pilot had to use brut force to keep the Mig in a high G turn. The Mig pilot would eventually tire out.

[@FelixstoweFoamForge]

Great stuff. Again. I much prefer these pre-missile fights. Lobbing long range AIM120D at each other from 100 miles is just not my bag of chips. Hell, I even feel guilty when using a 40 mile amram. Loved this. More please

[@AT-bo6ww]

Wing loading doesn't do that much to be honest. The MiG-15 is better than the Sabre in almost every aspect of dogfighting, except roll rate. The MiG has an abysmal roll compared to most fighters, at practically every speed. One good tactic would probably be to lure the MiG into a flat scissor and cause it to overshoot.

[@yvesdulac1871]

No, the Mig-15 has much worse instantaneous turn rate than the F-86 and has much wider turn radius

[@strambino1]

The best jet matchup in history!

[@grimreapers]

yup

[@Anarchy_420]

F-86 Sabre VS A-10 Thunderbolt II MB-339 Aermacchi VS MIG-15 P-47 Thunderbolt VS SU-25 Frogfoot F4U Corsair VS A-1 Skyraider F-111 Aardvark VS MIG-27K

[@Anarchy_420]

AV-8 Harrier VS MIG-23 Flogger J-7 VS MIG-21 J-10 VS SU-27 F-16I Sufa VS F-15STOL/MTD Fox2 Dogfight T-45 Goshawk VS F-14 Tomcat Test Fight

[@Anarchy_420]

Mirage F-1 VS Panavia Tornado MIG-29K VS SU-33 UH-1H VS Mi-8

[@FeiHuWarhawk]

Mig is a pure dogfighter a ton and a half lighter and same power. The 3-6 wing of the Sabre gives it more lift, but not enough. In a dogfight the Sabre will use up any energy management as it eventually will meet the ground. Running out of dive space. Only defense is an excellent roll rate. Mig will always suppress the Sabre as it can climb to 50k ft and stay there. Like the P47 had against the Me109 and Fw190. In a dogfight both were better than the P47. P47 needs to use high speed and leave the battle space to regain its energy.

[@Thuddster]

This. Most effective tactic for F86 use vs. MiG was boom and zoom, in packs...

[@FeiHuWarhawk]

Works for a while if you have more energy. But the Mig has more thrust/weight and will retain the perch better regaining its potential energy. Mig turns better Sabre Rolls better. Mig is 3000+lbs lighter. If the Mig pilot had a G-suit…Sabre pilot better have altitude!

[@anomalyp8584]

Kortana is a fucking beast

[@kevinwilkinson7558]

Finally a video on the f86 I've been hoping for this video since I started watching this channel. It's my favorite jet. Now if I can get the gr's to do another f4u Corsair video. That would be awesome.

[@KortanaDCS]

We were actually brainstorming the other day and were extremely surprised that we hadn't done this fight already. And don't you worry, once the F4U-1D is released, I will be pushing Cap to do some fights with it :)

[@kevinwilkinson7558]

@@KortanaDCS for some reason I thought it got released almost a year ago. I thought there was a single video on it. Maybe it was just a test. I don't have dcs but watch almost every video when they are released. But thank you for doing the F-86 video, and great flying in it

[@KayleeBlakeBTSARMY]

How about the F-8 “Last of the Gunfighters” would be so awesome to see. Wish it were available, I doubt it is but man I do love that Jet it was a beast of a gunfighter and the last of its kind!!

[@KayleeBlakeBTSARMY]

F-8 Crusader I meant to say l left off the Crusader part

[@sekinVR]

Great flying guys

[@aztec0112]

Predict :MiG-15. All else being equal, the .50 cal in DCS is like shooting confetti. Hope I'm wrong....

[@bearcatracing007]

Beautiful Super Cap and his wonderfully huge balls

[@timblack6422]

It’s a good day!

[@danwilliams5867]

Always the pilot on this close of aircraft. USAF proved that with there combat pilots vs MIGS over Korea

[@stevemiller7433]

The Mig had other problems not depicted in the sim... when diving the cockpit would fog up and blind you. As for the pilot skill, they were pretty equivalent.. The Migs and the F-86s were both flown by skilled and experienced WW2 pilots. The Kill ratio was 2:1 in favor of the F-86.

[@rubiconnn]

I can't believe it's taken this long for a mig-15 vs f-86 showdown. Mig-15 is best aircraft ever.

[@michaelmiles933]

Good God this is a good channel

[@christophero55]

Hey Kortana in a video again! Yea! :)

[@bigcountry5045]

bout time we had a video with both reaper hotties .... Miss Cortana and Miss Violet .... a real treat for sure ... awesome flying ladies !!!!!!

[@5Andysalive]

There are more gauntlets flying through the air in this than bullets....

[@paulh5027]

Shows why the Sabre needed the leading edge slats. If you add them try this again.

[@Chio_OB]

GS (sorry) did a 1v1 of these 2 planes and the Mig came out on top. This was a superb vid! loved it

[@lancer2204]

24:43 Am I the only one who thought "Take one for the team, or die in a glorious distraction"?

[@mcjdubpower]

Gud vid 👌👍🔥

[@sjpeckham1]

Outstanding work folks. Keep them coming please!

[@TheGimpy117]

those giga chad MiG pilots must have eaten their anti G Wheaties...

[@grimreapers]

I want to be a Giga Chad...

[@didiersavard6809]

The big things in The Korean war was that a lot of Saber pilots were ww2 vet.lots of experience. Yeager, in his bio, did 1v1 then switching A/C and nail it every time. F86F has better wing and better engine then the F86E, it really improved the kill ratio, the mig had a hard time getting away or higher over the Saber.

[@MightyDrakeC]

I remember that bit in his autobiography. It's been 30 years since I ready it, but I remember a quote from the other pilot about how both times, Yeager was on his six quickly, and he couldn't get Yeager off him.

[@dodgebro]

I think this should be redone in the 30,000' to 40,000' altitude range, where most of the engagements occurred. Then the actual airframe capabilities would be more useful, and we wouldn't have the losses due to CFIT.

[@geekpoet7443]

I always felt that the MIG-15 was a modified TA-183. Some people claim otherwise. The FNA IAE-33 was the terrible little brother of the TA-183.

[@zsavage1820]

Didn't the Chinese make a bunch of changes to the Mig15 ??

[@iKvetch558]

Please tell me if I am wrong, but didn't the Sabre have a radar ranging gunsight, which the Mig-15 lacked? Would that not also give the Sabre a big advantage in it ability to put rounds on target?

[@KortanaDCS]

It does, though it has issues with ground clutter. The .50's can be fired very accurately when you can employ it though.

[@iKvetch558]

@@KortanaDCS I am happy that I remembered that correctly. It is good to have confirmation my brain still functions. LOL

[@grimreapers]

I did try but didn;t really work.

[@th3b0yg]

Hooray Kortana!!!

[@TheBdesignz]

This was an awesome video. What bind do you use to freeze the camera while the plane keeps flying?

[@christophero55]

God these aircraft are so gorgeous. I love watching them dance.

[@wastool]

The Sabor should be going 1 circle vs the Mig. You gentlemen and ladies are fighting 2 circle, which is the Migs game.

[@zsavage1820]

Who is going to win? my guess would be that this will be more pilot vs pilot...

[@grimreapers]

Yup that's pretty much what happened.

[@rootstriker8209]

The F86s .50cals also had radar track and guiding

[@flyingBENT32]

What happened to RC?? I haven't heard him in a video in a while... :(

[@grimreapers]

He's just finished fire service in California and is now busy moving house. Won't see him for a while.

[@gavinwilkins5466]

I am in the grim reapers as reaper22 I need to fly with you guys

[@EGLately]

seems like it would be fun to play with these guys!

[@davidaustin1276]

The F-86 had a radar gunsight, Mig had only reflector sights.