The Flawed But Dangerous Soviet Cold War Super Fighter

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Not A Pound For Air To Ground

Not A Pound For Air To Ground

Күн бұрын

The MiG-29 was the most common Soviet 4th Generation fighter. Over 1,200 were produced before 1991 and it thus represented the main threat to NATO air superiority in the 1980s. This video deep dives into the fascinating but flawed Fulcrum and assesses how it would have faired in an all-out war in the 1980s.

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@DomWood
@DomWood 17 күн бұрын
I am an absolute snob for 'amateur' youtube history and I gotta say, you're making the absolute top drawer stuff. Researched, insightful, well scoped, witty and tidily made. Very grateful for the effort.
@tempestfury8324
@tempestfury8324 17 күн бұрын
Agreed! It's even worse with AI "bot" narration. But even so called "historians" like Mark Felton take liberties with truth for clicks and revenue. I enjoy Rex's Hanger, Military Aviation, and yes Greg's A and A.
@Mark_Ocain
@Mark_Ocain 17 күн бұрын
agreed!
@MrStasyan2013
@MrStasyan2013 17 күн бұрын
i would call this a "lo-fi" documentary, not amateur necessarily
@DomWood
@DomWood 17 күн бұрын
@@MrStasyan2013 That is a tremendous way to describe this.
@oxcart4172
@oxcart4172 17 күн бұрын
Wot Dom said!
@AdurianJ
@AdurianJ 17 күн бұрын
The first picture of an armed Mig 29 was taken by a swedish fighter pilot who by luck had brought his SLR camera with him creating excellent images that was traded by Swedish intelligence with other western intelligence services.
@linecraftman3907
@linecraftman3907 17 күн бұрын
Is it possible to view these photos? I couldn't find anything
@AdurianJ
@AdurianJ 16 күн бұрын
Its very common in the late 80s publications. You have probably seen it, it was public after 6 months
@Rich77UK
@Rich77UK 16 күн бұрын
The b&w nose on shot? Great info by the way! 🇸🇪
@namelesscrow9351
@namelesscrow9351 13 күн бұрын
Sweden at it again🤣
@a_catfish5180
@a_catfish5180 11 күн бұрын
@@namelesscrow9351Sweden can’t stop accidentally finding shit, we detected radiation from Chernobyl. The pictures mentioned here. A Swedish plane from a very ye olden aircraft carrier spotted Bismarck moving which thanks to British ships leas to the sinking of her, etc
@elcoyoto
@elcoyoto 17 күн бұрын
That introduction has serious Red Storm Rising vibes, got hooked right away !
@MrSpirit99
@MrSpirit99 16 күн бұрын
That's what professionals call a reverse Frisbee.
@baronlefenn517
@baronlefenn517 16 күн бұрын
@@MrSpirit99 The Fulcrums Of Ferryland
@jpierce2l33t
@jpierce2l33t 16 күн бұрын
I knew this had to be fictional...I was like wait a minute, I thought there'd never been an F-15 shot down in combat?! 🤣
@adamrichardson6821
@adamrichardson6821 16 күн бұрын
Great intro indeed--shades of Frederick Forsyth.
@sawyerawr5783
@sawyerawr5783 16 күн бұрын
@@MrSpirit99 In fairness a horde of MiG-23s manage the same thing during the breakout at Alfeld in RSR. Though the description of them flying through "clouds of missiles" kind of tells you how good their survival rate was.
@J.wizzle-eh6xi
@J.wizzle-eh6xi 16 күн бұрын
great vid! i used to work with a retired Bulgarian air force mig29 crew chief, who'd spent 15 years on the mig 21 prior to the 29. i didn't realise until one day by chance i saw his phone lock screen was a mig 29. i complimented it, he realised i was a cold war jet nerd, and he later bought in his old camcorder with loads of scrambling and ground running footage of his unit, including footage of younger him sat in the cockpit for a ground power run. needless to say, he was by far my favourite former co worker!
@blaise1016
@blaise1016 16 күн бұрын
Thats wicked cool!!!
@petkokamkaz7519
@petkokamkaz7519 8 күн бұрын
BulAF dudes are the best they have so many story's
@richardjonsson1745
@richardjonsson1745 17 күн бұрын
I humbly object to the "no western fighter could launch from the austere road bases" thing. The Swedish Air Force have used dispersed road bases since at least the 1960's for Draken, Viggen and (currently) Gripen.
@bush_wookie_9606
@bush_wookie_9606 17 күн бұрын
I also thought about the Swedish Saab's as soon as I heard that, the west also had USAF A10's and UK/French Jaguar's spring to mind as well as the Harriers.
@brianvernon7754
@brianvernon7754 17 күн бұрын
@bush_wookie_9606definitely NOT the Harrier, they FOD out a lot, big problem even on paved spots.
@user-gn8hf2ig7w
@user-gn8hf2ig7w 17 күн бұрын
But he was talking about dirt roads, i knew about Highways and other surfaced roads in sweden and germany, but did they launch from dirt roads?
@brianvernon7754
@brianvernon7754 17 күн бұрын
NO, even the A-10's weight/footprint is very high, hence it gets stuck. Those big fat MiG tires solve this issue.
@JackSparrow-l5g
@JackSparrow-l5g 17 күн бұрын
Don't forget the finnish hornets, they were used in the same manner of dispersed basing as swedish jets
@smakfu1375
@smakfu1375 17 күн бұрын
The MiG-29 was all kinds of fearsome… for the 29 minutes it could stay in theater before having to bug-out due to running out of fuel.
@cnfuzz
@cnfuzz 17 күн бұрын
Only fearsome at airshows
@sooryan_1018
@sooryan_1018 17 күн бұрын
​@@cnfuzzso would be the F4 Phantoms according to your logic
@alankucar8025
@alankucar8025 17 күн бұрын
Yeah unlike the F-16 and Gripen which totally have a lot more fuel. /s
@martin-gt7id
@martin-gt7id 17 күн бұрын
Doesn't the Mig-29A genuinely do lack range compared to F-16A, though? Mostly due to less economical powerplants as I understand it.​@@alankucar8025
@iankemp2627
@iankemp2627 16 күн бұрын
@@alankucar8025 Those don't need to stay on-station because they have radars and missiles that can track and hit targets from closer than knife-fight range.
@jonmiranda93
@jonmiranda93 16 күн бұрын
You are the Drachinifel or aircraft content. The depth of your information and buttery smooth presentation are absolutely top notch
@dallesamllhals9161
@dallesamllhals9161 16 күн бұрын
Rex's Hangar!
@xmlthegreat
@xmlthegreat 15 күн бұрын
@dallesamllhals9161 Yeah Rex is much better, least of all cause the audio quality and levels are more consistent than Mr. NAPFATG.
@greengoo4575
@greengoo4575 6 күн бұрын
Drachinifel is boring AF
@bilalsadiq1450
@bilalsadiq1450 17 күн бұрын
I gotta say, I love the alt-history story at the start of the video. I can imagine it animated as a cutscene in the World in Conflict RTS.
@emkaes7625
@emkaes7625 17 күн бұрын
Yeah, I sat back and felt like I was reading "Red storm rising" for the first time again.
@jbrad2529
@jbrad2529 16 күн бұрын
My dad was an American hornet pilot, he said the very best dogfighters in the world at his time were the German Mig29 pilots. That plane is a beast
@parkerlong2658
@parkerlong2658 13 күн бұрын
Tbf it is hilarious how the Soviets were a decade ahead of anyone with there missiles and hmd set up. I think when those f18s and f15s got surprised by how much alpha the mig 29 could pull and still get missiles off they went to there cos and basically begged them to get the new toys. Makes sense though if you cant outcompete through digital or electronic means just design a better system in the first place and revolutionize dogfighting in order to make the difference mean way less. Kind of hilarious how roundabout it is but they did it
@exhorderhd
@exhorderhd 11 күн бұрын
The MiG-29 was a fearsome dogfighter in the 80s and 90s, and especially so in the hand of Western-trained pilots. Most of them came from the F-4, and after reunification, we had a joint MiG-/Phantom wing for almost 10 years. However, it is important to note that basically all of the German pilots who flew both, when asked which one they would go to war with, answered „Phantom“. APG-65 and AMRAAM are simply way more effective, but the main reason was the superior man-machine interface of Western fighters. Essentially, close-in dogfighting in the way the MiG-29 was designed for was a thing of the past already in the 80s. And yes, the Eurofighter Typhoon is super maneuverable, but this is more a by-product of its main design focus, which was to lob AMRAAM at the enemy at supersonic speeds and then make hard supersonic turns in order to avoid the enemy volley of similar missiles.
@davidmcintyre8145
@davidmcintyre8145 17 күн бұрын
I can remember seeing German MIG -29s flying at low level over the Highlands of Scotland as part of an exercise in the middle 1990s
@20chocsaday
@20chocsaday 16 күн бұрын
The Luftwaffe with their Shoot where you Look missiles.
@ryanvargas4889
@ryanvargas4889 17 күн бұрын
Dude I hope you’re giving thought to writing a book with Images of Planes and doing audio books. Your talent and narration is incredible. Thank so much for the hard work on these videos.
@rollerizer2558
@rollerizer2558 17 күн бұрын
These mission/incident narratives and deep design dives are tremendously well done and interesting. The best yt channel for Soviet era coverage.
@b.elzebub9252
@b.elzebub9252 17 күн бұрын
2:44 I'm pretty sure that's not entirely correct. I'm fairly confident the Swedish Saab Viggen and the SEPECAT Jaguar were also designed to take off from rough and improvised strips.
@mustang5132
@mustang5132 17 күн бұрын
Well the Viggen was only used by a non nato country
@b.elzebub9252
@b.elzebub9252 17 күн бұрын
@@mustang5132 Yeah, fair enough
@gusty9053
@gusty9053 16 күн бұрын
@@andrewclark891 I would argue that the Jaguar was a striker, i don't think it had a role in air to air combat. The A10 had the ability to use rough airstrips but again just a striker. In the context of the video the MIG 29 was a fighter / point defense interceptor designed to operate from primitive bases (which the USSR always had or tried to have). None of the contemporary fighters / air superiority fighters (F18, F16, F14, F15, Tornado - yes i know but the british tried to turn it into a fighter / interceptor and it would have been deployed as such :) ) that would potentially come up against, could do that. People also brought up the Harrier, while it proved it can "dogfight" in the Falklands it's still subsonic!!! and i really wouldn't like it's chances in this scenario. Leaving aside the politics of Sweden (in a fictional cold war turned hot) i was under the impression the Viggen was more of an interceptor with heavy Ground Control (like when they were "intercepting" SR71s) rather than an air superiority fighter (maybe i am wrong on that last bit, if anyone has more details on their use feel free to correct me) so it wouldn't really qualify either.
@shawnmiller4781
@shawnmiller4781 16 күн бұрын
@@b.elzebub9252 and the F-5 series
@PosthumousAddress
@PosthumousAddress 16 күн бұрын
​@mustang5132 it's NATO now 😊 and it was a western country. But yes, not NATO then
@thepolishnz
@thepolishnz 17 күн бұрын
I read somewhere that the fulcrum was the only soviet plane to be officially named after the nato call sign. Because the Soviets saw it as the fulcrum of their air defence
@hydra8845
@hydra8845 17 күн бұрын
It still doesn’t have an official name, the Russians just like the NATO call sign
@marcusott2973
@marcusott2973 17 күн бұрын
​​@@hydra8845 so much some MiG-29 squadrons put it on their shoulder patch.
@ordinosaurs
@ordinosaurs 16 күн бұрын
@@hydra8845 : Quidquid Latine Dictum Sit Altum Videtur (Anything said in Latin sounds deeply meaningful).
@RCAvhstape
@RCAvhstape 16 күн бұрын
The Soviet pilots generally hated the NATO code names but they liked the Fulcrum. Wasn't official though.
@legoeasycompany
@legoeasycompany 16 күн бұрын
​@@RCAvhstapeTBF NATO Call signs weren't always the nice sounding, but by the end of it were the best with "Condor, and Fulcrum" and the like, way better than frog foot or fishbed
@joshkamp7499
@joshkamp7499 17 күн бұрын
The first 7 minutes is "Dance of the Vampires" quality. Your fiction is becoming nearly as excellent as your history. If you get a chance to pen a small, 3 volume novel in what I'm sure is your copious amounts of free time, I'd be lined up for the first copy. 😅
@BLD426
@BLD426 17 күн бұрын
Now I'm having to stop & google "Dance of the Vampires" thanks to you.😁
@BLD426
@BLD426 17 күн бұрын
Not to mention watching the first 7 minutes over.🤔
@jacqueschouette7474
@jacqueschouette7474 16 күн бұрын
If you liked "Dance of the Vampires", then you should read the whole book. Red Strom Rising by Tom Clancy from the 1980's.
@joshkamp7499
@joshkamp7499 5 күн бұрын
@@jacqueschouette7474 I could recite most of it 🤣
@jack.j5404
@jack.j5404 17 күн бұрын
Welp better brew more coffe for this morning
@dennisford2000
@dennisford2000 17 күн бұрын
Up all night already 😂
@DIREWOLFx75
@DIREWOLFx75 17 күн бұрын
Someone actually aknowledging that the late USSR was defensively focused, wow, that's almost unheard of!
@darchandarchan7036
@darchandarchan7036 16 күн бұрын
on top of that, acknowledging that soviet jets are also made to be just a part of the whole defense system, designed to operate in conjuction with ground radars. A huge contribution to MiG-29s poor performance in hands of underdeveloped countries. It was simply never made to hover around and look for targets on its own
@DIREWOLFx75
@DIREWOLFx75 16 күн бұрын
@@darchandarchan7036 Indeed, that too. Although the MiG-29 and Su-27 were the first generation Soviet fighters that began moving towards at least being fully able of more independent actions. But for the MiG-29, as it was aimed to be the cheaper half of frontline fighters, it was far more reliant on system as a whole, simply because it was hard to fit powerful enough sensors in it, among other things.
@xmlthegreat
@xmlthegreat 15 күн бұрын
even that was said begrudgingly lmao. Meanwhile Reagan was threatening the end of the world every few weeks with his antics. The bias can become a bit too blatant at times.
@darchandarchan7036
@darchandarchan7036 15 күн бұрын
@@DIREWOLFx75 not so famously, but if used like intended, in simulated fights MiG-29s were able to beat Su-27s in close combat, and Sukhoi people knew it, and didn’t liked that. And they had their people in party, lobbying interests of Sukhoi. Also one of the reasons MiG was getting all the worse parts than Su did. Not even Flybywire.
@sarcasmenul
@sarcasmenul 15 күн бұрын
The USSR was ALWAYS on the defensive dude. It was surrounded for its entire run by hundreds of military bases, constantly tainted with nuclear missiles, and NATO tried to antagonise a confrontation multiple times. This channel and its contemporaries are so deeply rooted in Atlanticism that they swap their little narratives for what reality was like.
@pogwog5309
@pogwog5309 16 күн бұрын
Hey just wanna say, loving the bit of alt history at the start. I'm mildly obsessed with the Fulda Gap scenario, I very much encourage you to apply this to other aircraft. Great work, as always, your videos are always lovely to have on. Nice to have something in my field and passion to listen too while I do whatever it is I do.
@bowencreer3922
@bowencreer3922 16 күн бұрын
This is one of your best videos.
@braincraven
@braincraven 17 күн бұрын
i really did not know much about the MIG-29 and really enjoyed this bit of aircraft history.
@AdurianJ
@AdurianJ 16 күн бұрын
Maybe a good comparison is the JA-37 Viggen. It relied on GCI to be fully effective but was a generation ahead in avionics sporting a digital map showing the GCI air picture of interest and it had inter fighter datalinks with up to 4 viggens in a group using the sensors from one.
@PeteCourtier
@PeteCourtier 16 күн бұрын
Saw the notification of this upload. It didn’t disappoint. Excellent stuff👍👍
@Matteo-lr6ke
@Matteo-lr6ke Күн бұрын
This is my favorite channel and yet so underrated. Thanks for all the effort and can’t wait to see more. I like every video I can. Would love to see more Soviet aircraft. Su 34 or even a helo vid would be sick. Or the F-4x phantom that was in RND is so awesome.
@danielbeard2656
@danielbeard2656 11 күн бұрын
The level of detail in the descriptions of aircraft systems, construction and dynamics is absolutely excellent. You are a professional. Thank you for the video.
@VincentNajger1
@VincentNajger1 17 күн бұрын
This airframe has been my favourite eastern bloc aircraft, since I first saw it as a 12yr old in 1988, in a pocket book of modern military aircraft and their silhouettes. The lines of this bird has always just looked so sleek and sexy. I've always wondered how the MIG-29 and the SU-27 would perform with modern Western tech and avionic.
@robertkalinic335
@robertkalinic335 17 күн бұрын
With modern tech? China and India are literally doing that.
@nikod8412
@nikod8412 17 күн бұрын
With modern tech and avionics is pretty much what the Su-35 and MiG-35 are. Really cool aircraft.
@termitreter6545
@termitreter6545 17 күн бұрын
@@nikod8412 SU-35 is russian tech (with western consumer goods lol) and Mig-35 is basically canned because nobody wanted it. I think some indian SU-30M's might have western or at least Israeli tech in them.
@lagufit
@lagufit 17 күн бұрын
Its su 30mkm
@fretted4life
@fretted4life 17 күн бұрын
India is set to do a big upgrade on the radar & avionics on 80 of its Su-30MKI.
@nikkipope121
@nikkipope121 11 күн бұрын
This is perhaps your best video yet! I had no idea how much there was to learn about the mig❤
@JGCR59
@JGCR59 16 күн бұрын
Absolutely fantastic video as always, you hit the new year in stride :)
@spladam3845
@spladam3845 13 күн бұрын
This was really good, I wish I had access to content like this as a kid in the 90's. Thank you, this was so comprehensive, it reminded me of the chapters in the Great Book of Aircraft.
@SamTaylors
@SamTaylors 12 күн бұрын
Brilliant video, as indeed all your videos are. Thank you for the hard work and effort that goes into each production - it is very greatly appreciated
@rastarn
@rastarn 17 күн бұрын
Yay! Any day a NaPfAtG video hits, is a great day! Thank you so much for your brilliant, ongoing work.
@petta0616
@petta0616 14 күн бұрын
That introduction was fucking immaculate. This channel is absolutely the best aircraft history channel out there, and you're frequency of uploads is absolutely insane. You're definetly one of the greats. ♾️/10
@sasha022
@sasha022 10 күн бұрын
Really looking forward to the Flanker video. That's the ultimate Soviet fighter.
@patosentado9665
@patosentado9665 12 күн бұрын
The most extensive MiG29 video ever!!!
@ArekP64
@ArekP64 17 күн бұрын
Im not sure about the flare part, I remember reading an article where USN or USMC hornet fired a sidewinder against Iraqi SU-20/22 and the missile has been spoofed by the flares. Allegedly according to tests with captured flares it was because of inconsistent quality of soviet flares which caused them to burn at different rate and intensity.
@TyrannoJoris_Rex
@TyrannoJoris_Rex 16 күн бұрын
Yeah I thought I heard a Constant Peg guy say the Sidewinder tracked properly against American flares, but went after Soviet flares
@PosthumousAddress
@PosthumousAddress 16 күн бұрын
It was in Syria and not that long ago. A Super Hornet fired an AIM-9X against the Assad govt Sukhoi which was attacking Kurdish positions. The Sidewinder didn't track, he fired a second one and that failed to track as well. In the end he fired an AIM-120 which worked fine and took down the Sukhoi. The Sidewinder X has imaging infrared, it shouldn't be confused by flares (let alone old Soviet ones). The Navy has been very quiet about what the issue was; a bad batch of Sidewinders, an electronics issue, who knows.
@PosthumousAddress
@PosthumousAddress 16 күн бұрын
​@TyrannoJoris_Rex The 9X is imaging infrared, it looks at a picture and follows the thing that looks like a plane, its not like old Sidewinders that could get confused by the sun or IR reflected off water
@TyrannoJoris_Rex
@TyrannoJoris_Rex 16 күн бұрын
@@PosthumousAddress Right but the latest model he's talking about in the video just after the Soviet Union broke up was the -9M
@ArekP64
@ArekP64 15 күн бұрын
@@PosthumousAddress well didn't knew that story, oh boy I might know one ex US soldier asshole who will be really upset about me even mentioning that story. So many parts about it would piss him off.
@kylerkastner2808
@kylerkastner2808 17 күн бұрын
Really love those scenario type intros. I find myself getting pretty immersed lol
@izdeliye-88
@izdeliye-88 11 күн бұрын
The intake panels cover the axial intake after sufficient pressure in the main hydraulic system and signal from a weight on wheel switch on the left main landing gear. It is not from the nose wheel WOW switch. Cheers for the awesome video!
@nmc052able
@nmc052able 17 күн бұрын
Great video as usual. Thank u!
@TimothySielbeck
@TimothySielbeck 16 күн бұрын
@07:12 A military forced designed for the defensive concept of "the offence IS the best defense." Then there are the "defense" plans that show them moving across the BRD beyond the French border and another showing all the "defensive" first use nuclear strikes. Yes, they were very defensive of their offensive plans. Until Gorbachev actually made plan an actual defense.
@sasha022
@sasha022 10 күн бұрын
I really can't understand what happened to Soviet designers in the 70s. All of a sudden they produced 2 most beautiful and extremely high performance aircraft: MiG's 9-12 and Su's T-10s.
@sbvera13
@sbvera13 16 күн бұрын
How you manage to put out content of this quality on a weekly basis I don't know. Truly great work.
@The_ZeroLine
@The_ZeroLine 12 күн бұрын
Also, as we’ve seen, both Russia and the Soviets showed time and again their inability to do complicated sorties let alone complicated multi-ship sorties. Pilots trained to operate according to ground based commanders do not fare well in complicated, messy environments.
@erkkikekkonen433
@erkkikekkonen433 16 күн бұрын
Almost a hour long video about one my all time favourite aircraft? Yes please!
@sangomasmith
@sangomasmith 17 күн бұрын
That intro was excellent!
@justforever96
@justforever96 13 күн бұрын
Meh, its amusing. But I'm here to hear the history and see the design drawings and process, not to hear sensational fan fic writing about fantasy air combat scenarios. Or even real ones. It's okay to set the tone, I didn't mind that he adds it in, and I'm sure it grabs the attention of those without attention spans to get them listening until they finally realize they have been fooled into my listening to _boring stuff_ and we aren't doing exciting high gee turns and missiles flying any more, but it's definitely not why I watch this channel. I know what air combat looks like, the jets turn and shoot at each other. The design and production aspect is where it gets interesting. It's like people who go to watch Forgotten Weapons just to watch him shooting guns. Like all this unique content and to just want to see a guy shooting a gun? Like you don't know what that looks like already, and you can't watch that in dozens of other places? Weird people. 🙄
@sangomasmith
@sangomasmith 13 күн бұрын
@justforever96 this is funny considering that Forgotten Weapons regularly has videos dedicated to firing a gun Ian previously described, and they're among his most popular videos! So you're just a weirdo, my guy.
@GoViking933
@GoViking933 12 күн бұрын
This was really good. Thank you! Very interesting.
@Obama_Gaming_69
@Obama_Gaming_69 15 күн бұрын
Wow your videos are excellent!!! I really enjoy watching them!!!
@AvengerII
@AvengerII 16 күн бұрын
I have a copy of Jon Lake's 1989 book, "MiG-29: Soviet Superfighter." It has reprints of photos shot in 1986 of a mini-fleet of 6 Fulcrums visiting Finland for a publicity/sales pitch tour. Finland ultimately replaced its MiG-21 fleet with Western fighters (F-18C model; transitioning slowly to F-35A now) but it was an informative visit with the best views of the Fulcrum prior to their Western air show demos. One of the MiG-29s flown in that visit ended up at the National Museum of the United States Air Force (Dayton, OH -- actually on the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base) after the US government bought 25-30 Fulcrums from Moldavia to keep them from ending up in "bad hands." (Not that it really mattered so much; the Fulcrums were worn out and more useful as spare hulks by that point!) The Soviet Union sold a lot of early production MiG-29As to Moldavia. At least one of those Fulcrums was a "publicity tour MiG-29." "Fulcrum 08" (MiG-29A) pictured on p. 22 of Lake's book is the one in the USAF Museum now! When the Museum conservators stripped the Moldavian air force paint, they found the old Soviet Air Force tags and linked the plane to the 1986 Finnish visit! They also have a MiG-29UB (two-seater trainer) outside the intelligence office at Wright-Patt last I heard. The UB isn't in as good a condition as the A-model the Museum proper has. Most recently, they added a Su-27UB to the Museum's collection in 2023!
@Rich77UK
@Rich77UK 16 күн бұрын
Maybe flawed..but arguably the prettiest/best looking 4th gen fighter.
@justforever96
@justforever96 13 күн бұрын
Arguably. But that's true of any of them because its subjective. I think he F-16 is better looking. But the MiG is more interesting.
@Crabby303
@Crabby303 17 күн бұрын
I had a close look at a 29 a few years back and couldn't believe how rough the finish was. Looked like it had been literally bashed together by hand in someone's backyard workshop.
@hydra8845
@hydra8845 17 күн бұрын
Cool story bro
@ChildEater84874
@ChildEater84874 17 күн бұрын
Idk what mig you saw, but they look like some of the smoothest planes out there
@pjotrtje0NL
@pjotrtje0NL 17 күн бұрын
I saw my first MiG-29 at Le Bourget, 1989 - it was as smooth as a babies’ bottom. So, I am wondering which aircraft you saw, and where.
@termitreter6545
@termitreter6545 17 күн бұрын
Tbf couldve been rusting outside somewhere for a while. But generally the quality of Mig-29 airframes was pretty infamous, they degraded very quickly. Easter german Fulcrums were already worn in the 90s, despite being hardly 10 years old. Not comparable to something like F16 airframes that might fly for 40 years.
@TyrannoJoris_Rex
@TyrannoJoris_Rex 16 күн бұрын
I took a picture when I went to the AF Museum by Wright-Patterson in March 2023 of their MiG-29, but the picture's not good enough to see any dents. Of course I didn't know that about it till watching this video, so not like I was looking for it
@dziban303
@dziban303 16 күн бұрын
top shelf history channel, the best around
@jts0221
@jts0221 17 күн бұрын
Such a beautiful aircraft; one of my absolute favorites. Very interesting to know all the differences in doctrines that led to many of the perceived disadvantages of the airframe.
@donaldjasoncrunk
@donaldjasoncrunk 15 күн бұрын
Another absolute banger. Fantastic video
@jamesrandall1979
@jamesrandall1979 16 күн бұрын
This was an awesome watch sir, bravo bravo
@adamrichardson6821
@adamrichardson6821 16 күн бұрын
Great intro. Thanks for another fine presentation.
@maxqiu4134
@maxqiu4134 11 күн бұрын
You're telling me the trainer version was harder to fly than the frontline version
@reichenwald-gm4qd
@reichenwald-gm4qd 17 күн бұрын
36:00 This is a Flanker and the loadout show is not representative of a Fulcrum
@VeryConfusedPerson
@VeryConfusedPerson 17 күн бұрын
Great video as always. But a couple of mistakes at 36:07 and 38:34 The gun is a single barrel (though designed by same bureau at the twin-barrel gun on the Su-25) and it is on the left (port) side of the cockpit. It's on the right on the Su-27. The picture at 38:34 is of the GSh-30-2 from the Frogfoot. The '2' and '1' in the names of the GSh cannons refers to the number of barrels.
@snotcycle
@snotcycle 16 күн бұрын
+1 on this, i was about to make essentially the same comment
@TyrannoJoris_Rex
@TyrannoJoris_Rex 16 күн бұрын
Yeah I was confused when I heard that
@magoid
@magoid 15 күн бұрын
I was about to say the same thing.
@sangomasmith
@sangomasmith 15 күн бұрын
I've always loved the Fulcrum, it just looks right.
@youngbloodbear9662
@youngbloodbear9662 13 күн бұрын
A wonderfully balanced summary was great information, as always, I appreciate your neutral view and ability to highlight perspectives I hadn't considered
@MDBenson
@MDBenson 16 күн бұрын
Really interesting breakdown of the type. I remember when the Mig-29 started showing up to do displays and even eventually static ground line-ups are western air-shows. The manoeuvrability was *jaw-dropping* when you were used to watching the Red Arrows and RAF Tornados (no shade, they were just flying less capable aircraft) and easily matched the superb USAF displays we were treated to by F-16 and F-15 and F-18 pilots. The demonstration flights were made more spectacular by the fact that Warsaw Pact and Soviet/Russian Federation pilots were less shy about pushing the MiG-29 to it's limits in displays. A fact that lead to a few mishaps including your featured 'Ejection Seat Demonstration' example. The MiG-29's show-stopping style was only eclipsed by the Su-27 appearing at western air-shows and that thing REALLY stole the show,m everyone my age who watched Su-27s raves about the 'Cobra' for a good reason, we'd never seen something that insanely dynamic before. I still have a massive soft-spot for both the MiG-29 and Su-27 though. They were exotic, interesting, loud and breathtaking to watch a well trained pilot run through a demonstration flight.
@jarrettplonka707
@jarrettplonka707 3 күн бұрын
Bravo. What a fantastic video.
@Essah15
@Essah15 17 күн бұрын
Great documentary as always. Little correction though 36:03 that's a Flanker depicted, and the internal gun on the Fulcrum was a single barrel, not twin barrel revolver cannon.
@justforever96
@justforever96 13 күн бұрын
Correction to the correction, revolver cannon have one barrel. The twin barrel Soviet gun is a Gast gun, not a revolver or Gatling type. The GSh-1-30 is a single barrel 30mm revolver cannon replacing the GSh-23 Gast type and GSh-6-23 and 6-30 Gatling types.
@mathewthomason8397
@mathewthomason8397 16 күн бұрын
Keep the 4th Gen coming! I've always thought of the Mig-29 as a point defense interceptor. Imagine getting through a screen of Mig-31's just to have to deal with Mig-29s at close range. I agree with the presentation , the Mig-29 makes much more sense if you view the Soviet strategy as defensive.
@justforever96
@justforever96 13 күн бұрын
Seeing how the main criticisms of this aviation have been that they are all very short ranged, dependent on local GCI and lacking in refueling ability it's kind of weird how the US insisted for years it was the Soviets planning aggressive war, while the while US fleet was designed to carry the fight over into enemy territory.
@magoid
@magoid 15 күн бұрын
23:10 The Klimov RD-33s were not gas guzzlers. In fact, they have better specific fuel consumption than the F404 of the F-18. The problem was what you said: the internal fuel tanks were too small. To give you a perspective, it was closer to the internal capacity of the F-16 than the F-18. In fact, the Hornet had about 50% more internal fuel than the Fulcrum.
@parkerlong2658
@parkerlong2658 13 күн бұрын
I think the real culprit of the mig29s lack of fuel is actually the lack of a fly by wire system. The fuselage and engines where basically designed the way they were because the Soviets couldn't afford in the early seventies to do fly by wire for all of there aircraft. Arguably in the later half of the seventies they could because the cost came down alot but the decision was made really early. The f16 can be the way it is because fly by wire helps the pilot fly the aircraft. If the f16 didn't have fly by wire it would literally fall out of the sky doing a lot of dog fighting manuvures. I would say overall it's impressive to get almost just as much performance out of a lightweight fighter like the mig29 without fly by wire as they did. They basically matched the maneuverability of the f16 with such an important hindrance in design. But of course it came as the cost of two engines and very little room internally
@shaider1982
@shaider1982 17 күн бұрын
I like this approach better than using flashy graphics but misleading facts.
@JGCR59
@JGCR59 16 күн бұрын
The capability of the R-73/Helmet sight came as a rude shock to NATO when East German MiG-29s were tested. Hence Germany developed IRIS-T and the US the AIM-9X. ASRAAM was already in development at the time.
@20chocsaday
@20chocsaday 16 күн бұрын
Suddenly the Luftwaffe was the most able airforce in Europe. They could shoot you by looking at you. That made its way into newspaper columns.
@greatwhiteythe2nd804
@greatwhiteythe2nd804 17 күн бұрын
I promised myself I wasn't going to play DCS today... So much for that idea.
@salvatorecandela1708
@salvatorecandela1708 16 күн бұрын
I have been with this channel from the beginning and I echo the sentiment below when I say you are absolutely top flight quality. The channel is a perfect homage to the vaunted ancestors of the 80s and 90s like Wings of the Red Star, but you have carved out your own personal style and structure. I love the subtle humor, sarcasm and easter eggs you intersperse within the brilliantly researched and scripted content. I second and third some of the sentiments below when I saw that your alternative fiction scenarios ARE THE BEST AND MUST BE INCREASED. I think it is fair to say most of us are die hard fans of the classic WWIII fiction books like Red Storm Rising, August 1985, etc. No one writes books like that anymore; most new WWIII books center on, understandably, drones, cyber attacks, long range hypersonic missiles, etc. I long for WWIII fiction centered around massive Bear and Backfire attacks on carrier groups, 1950s Soviet bombers making suicide runs on CONUS, nightmare frontal aviation cauldrons above the Fulda Gap, and the like. Your alternative fiction sequences fill that addiction. I humbly ask that you consider sustaining that content. As a matter of fact, an entire episode devoted to one period of history, like say 1960, and filled with nothing but fictionalized WWIII intercept scenarios, front like dogfights, and the like would be a dream come true.
@rohanjaison6003
@rohanjaison6003 16 күн бұрын
Make one for mig31, that thing has a story to tell
@parkerlong2658
@parkerlong2658 13 күн бұрын
One of the most infuriating planes to debate people about. Probably one of the top ten planes of the Cold war performance wise and is the only interceptor from that era that is doing missions today I mean it's regularly outmaneuvering f16s block 50s in Ukraine by literally just using it radar to shoot it's missiles. I feel like Everytime I see some internet guy they say it's the bad 15 and then I have to remind them the mig 31 is the one from the late 70s
@The_diffman
@The_diffman 16 күн бұрын
You are a true craft product in a world of sludge sent out to make bucks. Quality trumps quantity. Please keep it up!
@Dunker79
@Dunker79 17 күн бұрын
Holy shit! The opening of this video was awesome!
@billenright2788
@billenright2788 17 күн бұрын
Another killer show. Love to see one on Kelly J's only dud, the XF-90. So little info on this plane.
@eiros59
@eiros59 15 күн бұрын
Great video, great channel. Top for Cold War aviation as far as I’m concerned.
@robanson32
@robanson32 16 күн бұрын
Amazing video- quite top shelf stuff.
@javiervillalta779
@javiervillalta779 17 күн бұрын
When I wake up and see you posted, I know the first hour of work is going to be good
@Ant1815
@Ant1815 13 күн бұрын
I remember seeing this for the first time at Farnborough in 1988. It was quite a spectacle at the time.
@adamfrazer5150
@adamfrazer5150 16 күн бұрын
Regardless which side of the curtain you're from, this is a gorgeous, capable design.
@justforever96
@justforever96 13 күн бұрын
Not if you have Soviet Derangement Syndrome, where anything that even sounds neutral and not in praise of Western equipment is taken as a personal insult which must be punished. Sufferers of this syndrome are unable to hear anything when remotely positive about Soviet or Russian equipment without hearing a direct national disrespect to their own nation. It's pretty sad, and not very rare, unfortunately.
@Water_Witch11
@Water_Witch11 17 күн бұрын
I am embarrassed by how genuinely ecstatic I was when I saw this video pop up in my feed.
@TyrannoJoris_Rex
@TyrannoJoris_Rex 16 күн бұрын
No need to feel embarrassed. He makes brilliant content
@Augur21
@Augur21 17 күн бұрын
6 whole seconds ago?! I’m late!
@kiwidiesel
@kiwidiesel 17 күн бұрын
Fail😂
@MostlyPennyCat
@MostlyPennyCat 12 күн бұрын
Aw... I wanna see a twin D-30 powered Mig-29. 😂
@horizob
@horizob 17 күн бұрын
The chief designer for the MiG-29 project was Rostislav Belyakov not Viktor Belenko
@TyrannoJoris_Rex
@TyrannoJoris_Rex 16 күн бұрын
Yeah I thought "Huh. Common name over there?"
@adamelliott2302
@adamelliott2302 16 күн бұрын
Belenko defected in the Mig 25? Is that right?
@TyrannoJoris_Rex
@TyrannoJoris_Rex 16 күн бұрын
@@adamelliott2302 Correct
@petkokamkaz7519
@petkokamkaz7519 16 күн бұрын
this is the best english video on the fulcrum to date i hope you make one on mig-35 aka MiG-29M or how the MiG pulled an Super Hornet ala Boeing
@synthwavecat96
@synthwavecat96 17 күн бұрын
Damn, last time I was this early the MiG-25 was still considered a good aircraft.
@bilalsadiq1450
@bilalsadiq1450 17 күн бұрын
I know I'm being pedantic but... I mean, it wasn't too bad for a high-speed interceptor. It just wasn't the maneuverable fighter NATO had presumed it was. Oh, and the engines definitely sucked though, in regards to reliability and longevity. Although, without the Foxbat, we wouldn't have the MiG-31 which is one of the most capable aircraft flying above Ukraine right now.
@linecraftman3907
@linecraftman3907 17 күн бұрын
​@@bilalsadiq1450they don't fly mig 31s over Ukraine They use them for lobbing kinzhal missiles from far away the border
@sannidhyabalkote9536
@sannidhyabalkote9536 17 күн бұрын
@@bilalsadiq1450 No Foxbat has been shot right ?
@starliner2498
@starliner2498 17 күн бұрын
I mean compared to other purpose built US interceptors like the F-102, F-104 and F-106 it is a pretty good jet, isn't it?
@aberandolph3975
@aberandolph3975 17 күн бұрын
Several Iraqi Foxbats were shot down in Gulf wars​@@sannidhyabalkote9536
@Cheka__
@Cheka__ 11 күн бұрын
It improved on the MiG-28 in many ways.
@nathanisjesuschrist1175
@nathanisjesuschrist1175 15 күн бұрын
Such an underrated channel
@neam4138
@neam4138 17 күн бұрын
Cool video on my favorite plane!
@johnd2058
@johnd2058 17 күн бұрын
"Flawed but dangerous" and the same age as my ex of the same description 🤔
@georgeburns7251
@georgeburns7251 12 күн бұрын
Oh my, what a comment. Eventually I laughed. Thanks
@jameswilliams1085
@jameswilliams1085 15 күн бұрын
That was very interesting. Thank you.
@shlomz
@shlomz 17 күн бұрын
Another excellent deep five! Thanks
@hmmjedi
@hmmjedi 17 күн бұрын
Happy New Year and an excellent roundup of the Mig-29 it was a fearsome close in fighter but limited in any long range engagement... also this is one jet that skipped leg day somewhere in the region for the rarly jets as per the Luftwaffe of something around 150km this probably includes some loiter time and the 10 minutes of dogfighting... Thanks for the excellent video...
@SueBobChicVid
@SueBobChicVid 17 күн бұрын
51:49 The text! LOL. The subtle humor and digs (especially of the French) in these videos make me laugh. I'm sure some fly over my head.
@jonathanhudak2059
@jonathanhudak2059 13 күн бұрын
Have always loved the Fulcrum, never knew it had such a short range though!
@Duececoupe
@Duececoupe 15 күн бұрын
I see a new Not A Pound For Air To Ground video, I click....I'm a simple man like that! 😏😉👍🏻👌🏻👏🏻
@Skeezix1
@Skeezix1 17 күн бұрын
Whenever I played any of the Ace Combat games, it was always my first goal to unlock the Fulcrum first. Even though it was usually pretty low on the tier of best aircraft, it didn't matter to me. The most beautiful aircraft ever made in my eyes.
@evlkenevl2721
@evlkenevl2721 14 күн бұрын
It sure looked the part. Made a lot of people nervous when it hit the scene. Gorgeous aircraft.
@anselmdanker9519
@anselmdanker9519 17 күн бұрын
Thank you for covering this aircraft 😊
@thevaultguy7736
@thevaultguy7736 16 күн бұрын
Love your vids, you’ve taught me much about Cold War aviation. Small point of contention on the fulcrum’s kill record based on my own amateur research (so take with a grain of salt) -2 civilian aircraft shot down by Cuban mig-29s in the brothers rescue incident -Eritrean mig-29s shot down 3 Ethiopian aircraft during the 99-00 war (I believe 1 flogger and 2 fishbeds) -Russian mig-29 shoot down a Georgian drone in 2008 Comes out to 6 kills, to anywhere between 18-26 losses in the air depending on how the Ukraine war stats pan out. though there may be some debate on weather or not some of them “count”
@Connor_G21A
@Connor_G21A 15 күн бұрын
I think around the 45 min mark when you are talking about the rudder being reversed at slow speed I think you got that confused with adverse yaw from the ailerons causing opposite Direction to the input . I don’t understand how the rudder would reverse at slow speed and high angle of attack. Does anyone else want to weight in on that ?
@justforever96
@justforever96 13 күн бұрын
That depends on the exact airflow of that particular plane. It does weird things in weird flight attitudes. And the control surfaces interact in unexpected ways. Say you use left rudder, that causes a roll to the right , which increases drag on the right wing, which causes a yaw to the right even though you are pressing left rudder. A lot of jets need to be roll controlled with thw rudder at low speeds because the ailerons will cause the drag and stall issues you describe. So to roll right you give it left rudder. Which might be what he's talking about.
@Connor_G21A
@Connor_G21A 13 күн бұрын
@ yes that’s what I’m saying adverse yaw cause by ailerons not rudder
@stealthfinger
@stealthfinger 14 күн бұрын
This gave me the nudge I needed to redo my mig controls on dcs after I got a new hotas so cheers for that 👍
@georgeboyred
@georgeboyred 15 күн бұрын
I believe in the 1991 Persian Gulf War an Iraqi Air Force MiG-29 shot down a Panavia Tornado in Ar Rutbah, the British claim the Tornado crashed but if anyone has even a little bit of interest in the history of ariel warfare you would know that every single airforce WITHOUT EXCEPTION will attribute losses that they can't outright deny as losses to gound fire, SAMs, technical malfunction etc. rather than air to air. Don't get me wrong there are also alot of times when a claim of an aircraft being shot down when it made it back to base happens, but it is obviously much easier to prove when no loss of an aircraft occurred so those claims are easily dismissed.
@ryanwest2825
@ryanwest2825 12 күн бұрын
hearing a computer's specs in operations per kg makes me giddy.
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