F1 Drivers & Teams MAJOR INVESTIGATION Into McLaren's ILLEGAL FRONT WING!

[@stephencoe5161]

At no stage did Horner say that McLaren cheated he just said they've got it right & redbull need to sort it out.

[@coreyslusars3341]

He did question McLaren befor the summer brake but it was a small comment still

[@michaelhelbrow7906]

tell me where horner has accused mclaren of cheating

[@Agdem_]

The front-runners are already conducting investigations with the FIA over that 22 second win in Zandvoort, but I don't get why Zak Brown takes it personally. This happens all the time to make sure teams are following the rules.

[@rotorairgroup8409]

Horner just called Michael Masi 😂​@@Agdem_

[@underSTATEDexcellence]

We all are not new to this, every team does this anytime they are not winning. It happens every year behind the scenes. Even the uncompetitive teams call for inquiries. We should ignore them honestly and just focus on how good Mclaren is doing.

[@JMO77UK]

Yes for sure, it's part of the game. You either find a loophole no one is using or you find a loophole someone is using and get it closed. Either way you gain an advantage (latter is much cheaper!)

[@oliver90owner]

@@JMO77UK Most likely is the loss of race pace by RB? They seem to have been caught out with the asymmetric braking on the rear axle and are trying to bring attention on other teams rather than just admit the removal of that cornering aid has left them floundering. The 21 second gap was less of a lead by McLaren, and rather more a loss of 21 seconds by RB. Perhaps it is a case of extra performance, by the now removed braking sytem assistance being found out rather than improvements by other teams. Maybe those earlier race results need looking at?

[@JMO77UK]

@@oliver90owner I agree with you but strictly speaking they weren’t breaking the rules, they were making use of a loophole that wasn’t in the spirit of the rules. When found out, the rules were clarified and they had to stop and so yes we see a drop off in performance. The penalty they pay now is they have a car that doesn’t work without the asymmetric braking.l which isn’t great when you’ve lost Adrian Newey and the cost cap makes things harder still.

[@oliver90owner]

@@JMO77UK I agree, the wrong wording was used. My apologies on that score. I have now amended my post to explain it in better terms.

[@JMO77UK]

@@oliver90owner no worries :)

[@NextGen48]

They have found something extremely ground breaking.

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

Not really, they slowly and surly enchanted their car. The gap appeared now, because Red Bull steped into the same trap what Ferrari did in 22.. (Leclerc got his first new engine penalty in Canada, so he used all the 3 avaliable engines just on 8 races.. so they turned down the engine mode and only used 2 more engine on the next 14 races, but they only raced with Mercedes not with Red Bull after that..) And now Verstappen got his first engine penalt on the 13th race, so he used all the 4 engines just in 12 races (so at the half of the season all free engines are used..), they also need to turn down the engine mode to not use another 3 engines in this season and get 3 more engine penalty.. so Red Bull will fall back like Ferrari did in 22, to save engine and get less new engine penalty..

[@Emperorvalse]

The key change that McLaren made was the removal of James Key. It was clear that under his technical leadership there was something in the McLaren design that was causing the instability in the car that Norris and Sainz were able to drive around but was holding them back.

[@peterc6547]

I have always wondered was it the removal of James Key also that led to their rise. Were the changes they introduced in Austria 2023 the work of James or a complete reset? I was half expecting an announcement to quickly follow from Sauber after they announced Andreas Seidl was going that James Key was also.

[@alokv4]

@@Emperorvalse James Key, Dan Fallows are really bad. AUDI under Key leadership will be way way behind

[@My_Opinion796]

The teams monitor each other continuously. The visible parts of the McL before updates can be compared to the smallest detail compared to the current car. In that regard it is easy to understand what they did with their car. The more hidden parts like the floor are a bit more difficult to grasp. However, the parts work together to make a new update perform. I think RB knows where the took the wrong exit. Now it’s time fix it as soon as possible.

[@mrrolandlawrence]

so nothing. its just team principles throwing shade at each other. is their front wing amazing? did the whole field catch up at once or was that special brake to blame for the RB losses in recent rounds...

[@Noblewar]

With a lot of key people leaving RB after the season, it doesn't surprise me that they've been having trouble.

[@frankhart2188]

@@Noblewar A lot of key people? How many?

[@seanthompson258]

So much for Adrian Newey Mclaren are doing it without him, i wonder who there tech director is???

[@rayt8247]

Remember the new era was built to lower the gap between no1 and last car. But McLaren managed to pull the gap between p1 and p2 up to 20secs😮

[@RichardNorris-ft9yp]

Redbull got busted for asymmetric brake workaround,FIA made the rules clearer in the regs,rRB have slipped back as a result,FIA sweep it under the carpet to save the rep of the sport,McLaren have made huge gains……its the way it has always worked1

[@otislente9765]

Cheating team!!

[@Milkywayboy]

They didn’t get busted for asymmetric breaking 😂😂 You are guessing they did

[@C.t1888]

Except that that only happened within last week.... Damn F1 "fans" are getting bad. There isn't a single channel outside the official channels worth a second of your time. They are ALL useless. And make shit up

[@pyrolight7568]

LMAO, yes F1 covered it up... or you are propagating a nonsense rumour. The rule came in over the break. If RB had been using asymmetric breaking the rule would have been changed when the rumour was first brought up.

[@patmath1000]

every team was using asymmetric braking.

[@Agdem_]

Did Zak Brown forget he is a team principal and he does the exact same things he complains about? When Red Bull was successful out the gate with the new regulations, he was in there with Ferrari trying to Investigate them. Same with Mercedes during DAS and their long Championship Reign, all of the front runners were complaining to the FIA. I've never seen a single team boss just be like, "Yeah, we got it wrong". That includes Zak Brown. What on earth is he on about? Why is he taking it so personally when McLaren is getting investigated?

[@dnatal09]

When you have a groundbreaking car but the other teams still wants to investigate about the upgrade especially the RB, despite they have done this before

[@officialWWM]

lol, this always happens when 1 team goes faster than the others 😂

[@davewhittles]

everytime a car starts to do well you always get prying eyes and finger pointing

[@random-person1]

I think you are forgetting the most important issue that horner seems to be scrubbing over. Red bull were so far out in front that all the other teams were in constant catch-up mode right from when the first wheels turned at the first race of 22 and the new era of car design. So if mclaren are now on a par, after 2+ seasons of dominance by just one team, the gains that red bull admit would only be minor [for them], would be HUGE for any team finally catching up. Moreover, what's to say if mclaren had actually found the solution at the same time as red bull, is it beyond the realms of possibility that they could have found a better way of extracting more from their car? Or in other words, mclaren are seemingly better than red bull because they found a better way to harness more from their car! And those who call it cheating, Christian, should maybe check their ego.

[@Surfsaus]

It's fairly obvious that ZB hobbled oscar's car last weekend after piastri beat his golden boy over the prior month. The qualifying gap was quite frankly ridiculous when for the last 13 races they've been within a tenth of one another in qualifying. I think it backfired on the team when he didn't finish 2nd behind goldenboy. They talk a big game that there's no number 1 driver but then at the same time hobble oscar at every turn to ensure Zac's favourite gets what he wants. I expect Oscar will have some of lando's upgrades on his car in Italy to ensure he beats max. The fact that zac flys home with lando every race while oscar flys home with other drivers shows you who Zac wants to win.

[@jblb42]

For a long time now the best car wins, all the drivers are great, but then when they make rule changes all of a sudden a new driver dominates. The car is the difference, not the drivers.

[@salt6717]

Once at the top, everyone tries to drag you down.

[@CrazyChemistPL]

I still don't understand why they had Lando cede position to Oscar in Hungary. Good team atmosphere, sure, but Lando would be now 62 points away from Max, not 70.

[@habibitv9391]

Max is very lucky that he's not racing Lewis/Mercedes in that Mclaren, the championship gap would have been less than 30points by now!

[@rolanddeschain965]

Its just a bit odd that lando had a rocket ship and piastri was stuck in the pack.

[@vladg2461]

Clean air is a big diff. Lando had clean air and that meant a lot. No traffic, no dirty air

[@starby1243]

Newey leaving. That's the reason.... Or... did Newey sell some aero ideas to McLaren?

[@mrz1949]

While Red Bull was immersed in a soap opera show between little max father and RB principal, Mc laren focused on racing and the results are in front of us, when personal matters are more important than the sport, everything goes down the drain, hope all principals learn from RB mistakes and go back to what we all love, COMPETITION!!!

[@IamHailey8]

No cheating story in F1 is ever going to surprise me. I'm pretty sure all teams are always looking for a way to get ahead and none of them are totally clean, but McLaren, especially have a history that is really shady. And a transformation from being one of the slowest in 2023 to the fastest in 2024 is really, really suspicious. I've said that even last year that it won't surprise me,but until it's proven, there's nothing to do

[@mikegeelen9172]

It's would not have been shady if it wasn't in such a short timespan, no team has ever pulled this off so fast without having something illegal on the car

[@IamHailey8]

@mikegeelen9172 Yes, exactly, that's what I meant

[@lollmao9199]

Great for McLaren , but you’ll be gullible to think that their performance is not strange because they also outperformed Mercedes and Ferrari too which those teams were 2nd and Third favorites before McLaren

[@thysdevilliers5563]

If the other teams want to complain they should ask the question why the Mclaren drivers do not wear underpants.

[@bobwferguson]

It’s good to have competition that’s why it’s called a sport

[@Bobby11]

That 22 second lead can also be explained by .. maybe the redbull car bei g 22 seconds slower.. why does it have to be that Mclaren have found that much pace rather than redbull losing pace due to bad setups.. and parts

[@officialWWM]

Ha, could it be that Lando is not as fast as everyone thinks? 6:06

[@adamszidey]

Horner yapping about cheating with the over priced sandwich 💀

[@Narkboi]

It's not cheating, it's innovation, same thing that red bull did, they didn't cheat, theu found somthing better that had no rules around it.

[@nikolayhristov8493]

"Change your fucking car ".... the wise man once said..😁😁😁

[@frisk151]

There really are NO friends in Formula 1... And, most racing... Think otherwise? You've never tossed a 2nd place trophy in the trash...

[@RiminiVirage]

It is not unusual that two Multiple world champions should take a keen interest in a race winning that is so far ahead of the field. Great that RB and Crashtappen are being found out. Great!!!!

[@HANNIBAL30ro]

sit down crymilton, its been 3 years, get over it.

[@cyberclaude]

Maybe F11 should put RED BULL under scrutiny. They always attack others when they are behind in performance. F1 is so overegulated that you wont find a car that abide to all the minus detail. F1 should give more space for invention and ingenuity!

[@HANNIBAL30ro]

everyone attacks everyone, you pointing out red bull just shows how based you are.

[@e92miami]

Karen Horner is the worst, this just makes me cheer on Lando even more to finish strong.

[@CarlosMedina-wu8ug]

Wow. A team successfully develops and catches the bull, and they MUST be cheating. If that's the case, then how's the bull cheating? It took more than a season for someone to catch them. If it takes cheating to catch them, by that same logic, it would've taken cheating for them to be as far ahead as they were in 2023.

[@lawless8723]

so because RB cant do it.. no one should be able to unlock performance...kindly go find a hole to fall into Horner

[@KMoney54]

McLaren has been on the grind ever since 2015 so for them to be back at the top isn’t surprising l, of course top teams will always complain and accuse anyone of cheating. It is what it is, teams cry cuz there not winning

[@pluxauag7555]

The Wind Tunnel is key to McLaren, they have the worlds best one, Toyota have the 2nd best.

[@jordanw24]

Zak continuing to be the whiney Karen of F1… guy always seems like he’s got something stuck up his gearbox

[@peterthomas5792]

OF COURSE Horner was the first to complain. "If we're not winning by a country mile, others must be cheating". And the FIA listen.... 😞

[@stormageddon248]

I doubt McLaren is cheating. That's Ferrari and Red Bulls shtick. Also yeah Christian you will win this year but hopefully Lando realizes the Golden opportunity in front of him. Get those elbows out whenever Max gets anywhere near when the consequences of crashing are lower. Let Max know he's young and reckless too. Let Max know this isn't a sim race and Max isn't safe on this track with Lando next to him. Loved the Austria incident I was begging Hamilton to do it for that whole season. Ferrari is obviously lost again so Lando and Oscar are my only hope.

[@brianholden2724]

"Something looks different about McLaren's wing" Pretty sure comments like these are called deflection. Stop looking at our brakes damn you why aren't you looking at McLaren's iffy wing. How much of McLaren's massive gains are due to RB getting a Asymmetrical Brake delete?

[@locker60]

Horner is doing to Zak what he did for years to Toto and Merc, he moans and complains about everything merc did and now its McLarens turn to be abused by horner, he will not let up, he is consistant in his abuse and will complain to the Fia about anything McLaren do or don't do

[@katana1789]

Merc and RB for nearly 20 Years overlapped the 4rd to 3rd sometimes and McLaren dominates 3 Races and that must be suspicous or illegal while Ferrari, RB, Merc cheated obviously and everybody in the community knew but gave a fuck. xD

[@aswinelberts1555]

McLaren has Sterling back weels

[@tomaarmo1158]

once somebody get past redbull on performance, their getting accused of cheating... its so pathetic

[@fanie121]

YES

[@antiwokehuman]

Quite the opposite. When redbull were winning by 20s everyone said they were cheating, but now that mclaren is doing the same, noone seems to care

[@TheZachatree]

The team who is always cheating would know 🤷 Doing something different with the front wing like how Redbull was doing something different with the breaks. 😂

[@eduardalmenario4998]

"brawn gp" ahh story

[@wesleyolifant3665]

Horner showing his horn dog again...

[@peterwilliams3252]

And they say the British moan who,s moaning now that there little boy max has been thrashed,and has been proved he is only human.

[@crk9612]

Your not allowed to win in F1 unless you are red bull or Mercedes seemingly!

[@frisk151]

You must be F1 young..

[@davefitchford8958]

F1 should be boyctted after the corruption that has been exposed why should fans have to put up with that ?

[@Bj-wu4hq]

I. Think red bull have been cheating for years

[@leegrant6840]

agree

[@keithbuckley3220]

Horner will be speaking to his mates at FIA whispering "THEY MUST BE CHEATING BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT RED BULL AND ONLY RED BULL ARE ALLOWED TO CHEAT."

[@JMO77UK]

I remember folks used to say the same about Ferrari (International Assistance) back in the day. Red Bull are just doing what all the teams are doing. The difference is they don't pretend to be sweet and innocent about it.

[@reginaldverasmus1656]

RB were cheating with their illegal brake system now they trying to draw attention away from that fact.

[@gregmeyer33]

How come we allow Red Bull to cheat with the braking system for the last year and a half but now that Mclaren have shown slow progress over the course of a season we question it?

[@hectorshouse7348]

Cheated sounds like copium 🤣

[@prouv]

People stop being ignorant mofos, that car went from middle of the pack , to top dog. You might have a hate bonner against Redbull, but Mclaren seems dodgy as fluck.

[@ashvirhiralal]

Putting your hand up when you get something wrong? The fact they are even trying to justify 50/50 calls is a tell of guilty conscience, they know. This sport is about winning, Lando is clearly their entry for the driver's championship, the error was their own and yet Lando was punished for it.

[@somaliano99kingkonghimself75]

Everyone is cheating except Mercedes belief me wan i tell you this

[@JamesBond-44]

SO RED BULL WILL ALWAY COMPLAIN IF ANOTHER TIME IS DOING WELL. HORNER IS A DISGRACE TO F1. LAST YEAR THEY WON 19 OUT OF 21 RACES. AMD NO ONE COMPLAINED. ALL THE TEAMS SHOULD COME TOGETHER AND LET HORNER KNOW THEY ARE NOT THE ONLY TEAM. THAT MAN IS DISTROYING F1 SINCE ABU DHABI 2021.

[@underSTATEDexcellence]

You must be new. Every team does this stupid stuff every year, they all complain when they aren’t winning and it must be cheating because how else could they fall so far behind. It’s nonsense and honestly should be ignored by the GP.

[@petrsekal486]

they won 19 out of 21 races in 2022

[@xszl]

@@petrsekal486 we're in 2024 now. Keep up

[@stephencoe5161]

Horner just said McLaren has got it right with their design of the front wing & redbull needs to sort theirs out

[@lauriepolega6777]

Zac Brown is the king of complaining. And I agree, they all do it.

[@Twentyfirstdigital]

yeah right, cheatbull pointing fingers. how about they win a race without cheating first

[@goob4578]

are you aware that this was all of 21 season? its very common for all teams

[@hectorshouse7348]

Copium🤣

[@Twentyfirstdigital]

@@goob4578 obviously just really hypocritical that these cheaters literally got caught again with illegal brakes.

[@stormforce7599]

Why are some of these teams going out of they way to cheat?

[@BigTexas910]

That’s racing lol every team cheats it’s just how good you hide it

[@gregmeyer33]

thats Formula 1. ALways has been always will be

[@xszl]

ofcuz theres something fishy going on, we just have to wait for it to get discovered.

[@grumpyoldgit8254]

Christian Horner, that is 1 guy who i would not miss at all if he decided to fek off

[@dejvi5711]

Mr. Christian, your rear brakes are very, very different and illegal, right? How many seasons? now you are losing and constructor championship and losing engineers... that mean he is crying

[@Milkywayboy]

There is no proof Red Bull had asymmetric breaking😂😂 You all are crazy! McLaren went from mid pack to beating the pack by 22 seconds! Something is up

[@hughbarned7660]

Mercedes is quiet and was never interested in having a competitive car for 22 and 23 in order to prevent a Hamilton eight WDC. Frustrating Hamilton with a 1+1, and no ambassadorship following a meeting with Mercedes group chief, toto and ineos chief, Hamilton now move to Ferrari, the car suddenly improve to win 3 races in an attempt to woo Verstappen. Now no longer possible, back to plan b lets do everything to boost George 2016 all over again