How A Top Gear Review Made Tesla Sue Jeremy Clarkson

[@phatmemer69]

A few corrections in the video - 2:15 - Clarkson didn't say the battery was the size of a watermelon. He said the motor was. 0:32 - Subtitle is slightly wrong And yes, I accidently refer to EV's as "Electronic" a couple times - I just misspoke lol

[@slyy4096]

Electronic is not same as electronic

[@phatmemer69]

@@slyy4096 yeah well I misspoke lol

[@Anvilshock]

"ninety-thousand pounds" is also _not_ "three times more expensive" than £32k. It's _two times more_ than that, or _three times as_ that. Because that's what those words mean in the English language to those who learned it formally in an intact education system, not in a pub between two pints of Strongbow watered down with orange bubbly.

[@yamilsantos6533]

JEREMY WAS JUST AWESOME STATING THE OBVIOUS THINGS THAT WERE A BIG INCONVENIENCES AND THE LIE OF ELECTRIC SAVES CARBON HE WAS JUST HONEST PERIOD

[@Anvilshock]

@@yamilsantos6533 Dude, calm down and unlock that Caps Lock.

[@patrickfox-roberts7528]

The brake failure was 'nothing more than a blown fuse' ?????? The brakes fail if a fuse blows ?? I really don't want that.

[@Klont123]

It’s just a fuse, you’ll tumble softly down the canyon.

[@karlbassett8485]

It is possible the fuse for the ABS had blown, in which case the brakes still work, just without the extra protection of ABS. That would cause a "ABS Brake Failure" warning on the dashboard and that could be what they meant by "broke". Or it could have been part of the regenerative braking that EVs have, with the same warning message.

[@homeistheearth]

Little corrosion on a terminal -- boom.

[@snabkassa]

How would an electrical system work without power? How would you connect a system that uses that much power without using a fuse?

[@Mike__B]

@@Klont123 but in a few minutes you can swap the fuse and your batteries will work again! 😂

[@KyloB]

man Rogan couldn't fit more of Elon inside of him if he had two mouths.

[@ziploc2000]

He's got the one in his face and the one he talks out of.

[@johnevans9751]

Well, Elon is small, so he had no trouble

[@raphaellauf7786]

the only thing wider then the horizon is Rogans ass when he spreads it for elon

[@kwisin1337]

Or 6 rectums......

[@captain_cgc2413]

@@raphaellauf7786 I don’t think a big ass is required.

[@CZpersi]

James May's review of how difficult is to cold-start a Tesla with a dead battery (to get even inside the car!) was in my opinion even more savage. And frankly, he did have a point.

[@nigo1787]

it was HIS Tesla. He bought it, and loves the car - overall. I think Hammond has (or had) a X

[@billolsen4360]

So why is Tesla Model 3 the best selling car in the world right now? I wouldn't want one, but they must have something going for them.

[@mayonotes9849]

​@@billolsen4360Most likely brand recognition, sign of wealth and to flex.

[@leocurious9919]

@@billolsen4360 Is it? Does not look like it when I look at the numbers: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_automobiles#World's_bestsellers

[@eliasmartin9842]

@@billolsen4360Same Reason IPhones are the most sold phones. Not for the actual components or hardware or performance. Its because of branding and public perception. (Tbf iPhones also do have exceptionally made software)

[@NiceTriGuy]

Did you catch Elon lying to Joe about the ‘script’? He said the brake failure was written into the script in advance yet his PR person acknowledged the brake failure was a blown fuse. Which is it Elon?

[@harrydavey9884]

I cba to rewatch, but I'm fairly certain it was 2 separate things. The brake failure was real, battery failure was not. Elon is referring to a script where the car breaks down (battery drained)

[@FTA38yearfreeride]

....the EV madness must go on, a one way street into enslavement!

[@Ytinasniiable]

​@@harrydavey9884even still, the test was to run it until it went flat, the battery failure would be in the script as that was the expected outcome the only thing that would raise a flag is if it said "earlier than expected" in the script as well

[@mi1400]

(1) The fuse could have made part of script cuz TG must have stats of this fuse/brake and obviously u cannot make it fail in program but have to be realized to public. also the ever aww so inspiringly simply replaceable fuse will get it turn when the car survives the whole failure of break system because of this just simple fuse (2) BBC/TG/British-Courts stance is rightly similar as Toyota's stance on EVs .. i dont know how many people here in comments know the infamous the Toyota's 17 points factsheet against EVs ... like (a) takes 3 cars price to make one (b) no repair shops wants to go through legalities of fixes even if they can (c) car showroom trail runs have been charged to test-driver for car's own faults during test drive (d) with all passengers in the car; legal luggage limit is just ~13kg (e) FSD etc features remote locking and customer blacklisting where abuser just sold it further not letting the next buyer know if remote locks/restrictions (f) "Combustion" Hydrogen (ICE like) cars are now around the corner (not old way of hydrogen > generator > EV/current) and ICE like "Combustion" Hydrogen engines are not space age for Toyota since 1990s CNG/LPG gas cylinder in trunk ICE engine cars/sedans/vans have been running a lot of parts of world... in summary Hydrogen method is just safer cylinder in trunk or floor, safer injectors and democratization of now already feasible Hydrogen stations.... P.S: on Musks own other projects ... (1) raptor blowing up on ~30 vs just 5 fails despite all the AI machoness for steering etc... if we do the math all raptor worshippers and on spot/tv science pundits will get slapped that remaining engines with AI compensating for loss could have enough thrust "numbers" to land it back to pad (2) how he kept requesting warren buffett to invest in invest in tesla stocks but he didnt ... clearly as recently ford has disclosed EVs are years away to turn profit on ~$30k cars (3) dishonest bad mouthing over lidar (i know lidar fail in say rain as droplets reduce range) but dishonestly praising only cameras is actually hiding his stealth/undercover dabbling/pondering/research into HyperSpectral cameras (n compacting foliage, ground penetrating radars) to later brag in usual style.. wasnt i telling cameras n not lidars r the way. HyperSpectral cameras can identify compounds better like asphalt light spectrum will help in tracing dust/sand covered roads better instead looking for landmarks where the road is going ... also the traffic signal's unique (florescent) red/green/orange light signature. So again in his disonesty he is just bashing very narrow half truth and deflecting ppl by not letting any air of what he could be up to. (4) and his smoking "freedom" in corporate meetings pretend he's taboos slayer (5) so he thinks he is smart/inspirational/motivational speaker with millions of twitter sheeps/followers but he is actaully a dishonest person

[@davidturoff8017]

@@mi1400 Elon Musk is a pathological liar. That is his job. Once you've seen it you can't unsee it.

[@JustMartha07]

Musk cannot stand criticism, that isn't anything new.

[@kevindonaghey8483]

Just like trump that's why they are friends

[@paperpersona1243]

Elon is definitely the kinda guy who gets his worldview based off who's nice to him.

[@12thMandalorian]

Joe Rogen: "A lot of us rely on Top Gear as a car review show" That is hilarious, i assume he also relies on Have I Got News For You for top political opinion too

[@benjones3748]

HIGNFY is the only place politicians actually get a proper grilling on the beeb, regardless of political persuasion...

[@panamatimdawson]

Have i got new for you is LIBERAL TV with a capital LIBERAL TV

[@benjones3748]

@@panamatimdawson if you think Ian Hislop is someone you can neatly slot into a "liberal" box, its quite clear you've never watched HIGNFY. Its called scrutiny. Scrutiny and accountability have no politics.

[@Iwannabuyabugatti]

Bet he watches The Onion

[@mystic_mimi21]

@@panamatimdawsonthat’s bad because? He is one of if not the only journalists holding politicians to account. Would you rather a right wing nut job country a la Germany 1930s-40s. That’s you lot want isn’t? Ian stands for accountability not a specific side, he holds up the hypocrisy of all politicians.

[@Caplonky5]

joe rogan claiming to be a car enthusiast and so obviously sucking up to musk is hilarious edit: thanks for all the likes guys : )

[@slimydispertion]

Oh finally someone talking about it

[@G82Watts]

He did a complete 180 on his opinion after elon started being friends with him. I remember clear as day him saying that EVs will never be as fun as rowing through gears and the sound and feel. Now he just d rides his billionaire buddy and doesn't give he's real opinion

[@mmmbiscuits1211]

@@G82Watts Joe's brain is a lot roller. It picks up whatever it rolls over.

[@mmmbiscuits1211]

*lent

[@AM2K2]

@@G82Watts He just had a new top gear guy on his podcast (no idea who he is) and he talked about how many petrol cars he has and that the ICE car ban coming isn't right

[@KadenWarrior]

Joe Rogan when top gear makes fun of any car in an exaggerated manner: 😂 Joe Rogan when top gear makes fun of a tesla in an exaggerated manner: 😡

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

Toe Rogains sloppy game must be ELITE the way he gargles Elon’s Musks

[@sergiykovalchuk4239]

People give too much credit to a guy that used to eat bugs for a living.

[@crimson_void]

​@@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access that sentence has never been spoken before and will never be 😭🙏

[@bernardoberner4]

"Cars enthuasists like myself" Joe you cannot be a Tesla fan and a car enthusiast at the same time, that just doesnt work

[@gustav3443]

You know James may? He’s a Tesla fan…

[@DestroyTheMindless]

​@@gustav3443stop sucking up tesla already. It's getting pathetic.

[@Geheimnis-c2e]

​@@gustav3443yeah but he's also not the type to suck up to things if he doesn't care foe it.

[@tombrown6329]

I'm a Tesla fan AND a car fan. 22 years of track day instructor history, many very nice to drive German cars 2002tii, 2 M3s, a 911SC, a Cayman S, a 911 Carrera T and my current Cayman GTS, all manual trans. I discovered bikes and sport-touring 20 years back and the car thing just seemed like a very bad value for the fun it offered. Still really like cars, but more for fast touring than for track days and such. I got a '24 Model 3 Dual Motor this April. Since then the Cayman GTS just sits up on the lift these days. Maybe that'll change, but for now, I'm really liking and preferring the Tesla. Haven't been this geeked about a new car in many years. They're great.

[@DaCouchWarrior]

​@@gustav3443 and yet he is real entusiast. He adressing *real* problems unlike tesla fanboys.

[@gideonk123]

10:16 “remember, Tesla was not a big company, it was a little company”. But now in 2024 Elon is in the midst of turning it back into a little company…

[@creativeself7147]

Which becomes even more embarrassing when considering the BILLIONS of tax-dollars Tesla received to "revolutionize" the industry and almost every single one of these dollars ended up getting completely wasted or inside of Elons pockets, making him the richest man alive (for a short period) - due to money being thrown at him that was actually earned by people working real jobs. Nurses, doctors, engineers, caretakers, mechanics, retail workers, etc.... They earned the money that Musk, a narcissistic, manipulative and i.m.o. outright criminal person, now uses to shape politics and laws to his favor.

[@psy999]

That didn’t age well

[@davideyres955]

Sorry but you cannot charge a Tesla roadster in 3.5 hours from a 13 amp, it’s not physically possible. 13amps x 230volts x 3.5 hours is no where near the battery capacity. 10.5 kWh available vs 56 kWh battery. Sory Tesla. You are lying.

[@JonathanTamm]

They said in an industrial shed workshop 3 phase power is avalible 22 kw 22 x 3 hours is 66 kwh well above 56 kwh and under 3 hours I have 3 phase power in my house and have a 22 kw power socket in the shed and a Tesla model 3 performance with a 72 kwh battery under 4 hours if needed.

[@Keesvanrooij-o5h]

They said clearly from a common wall socket which is NOT 3 phase.Remember when the show was aired almost no one had 3 phase domestic mains.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Ever heard of 7kw home charging?

[@nguyep4]

Most homes have a 30 amp dryer outlet. The 10/30 plug or 14/30. These can pull 24 amp.

[@Solidboat123]

@@nguyep4 Not in the UK - almost no-one here has any sockets rated above 13A (the next steps up are 16A and 32A industrial sockets, but these are not fitted as standard in domestic houses)

[@entropyachieved750]

Musk likes free speech except when its negative towards him or his companies. What a child

[@tad7441]

It’s never a problem until it effects him.

[@oxide9717]

to be fair i'm sure if he said Elon sucks nothing would happen. lying about a company's product makes him liable to the law. also fiduciary duty to shareholders and what not

[@TweakRacer]

Libel is not free speech. Duh

[@fgeiger41]

Proof?

[@entropyachieved750]

@@fgeiger41 all the journalists that he banned from twitter because they wrote the truth about him.. that's a good start. Feel free to google it he has done it multiple times since he acquired twitter

[@JamesDorsett11]

It is hilarious listening to Elon on Joe Rogan claiming the car didn't break down on the top gear episode when Tesla's own spokesperson came out and said it was "just a blown fuse". That sounds like a breakdown to me...

[@bowman1248]

The blown fuse was the brakes. The break down refers to them having to push the car off the tracks

[@raytarch8881]

@@bowman1248 he also mentions about the break faliure

[@jeremypnet]

@@bowman1248a brake failure is a breakdown. Also I’m a bit surprised that an electrical fault can cause the brakes to fail. That seems quite dangerous to me.

[@Adrian-pp6qy]

@@jeremypnet And the doors you can only open with a button powered by electricity which is gone in case of an accident because the batteries are cut off as an emergency measurement in case of a sudden impact.

[@madmax404]

@@Adrian-pp6qy That's not even true, there are emergency releases.

[@DanielJohnson-ps4xv]

3:10 power from nuclear power is the least damaging environmentally

[@seagullman87]

It's especially funny he used a picture of an upset Great Thunberg, despite the fact that she's publicly advocated for more nuclear power adoption on multiple occasions.

[@niklas8565]

Wind and Solar have left the chat Highly radioactive waste has entered

[@non-fictionaltoughguy1208]

@@niklas8565ah another who hasn’t a clue what they’re talking about

[@non-fictionaltoughguy1208]

This is true, if we really cared about the environment we would invest and research nuclear power more heavily, large amounts of power with zero carbon footprint wind and solar power are conditional and do not produce anywhere near enough energy to power a country, France runs on something like 60% nuclear

[@niklas8565]

@@non-fictionaltoughguy1208 please explain. We have no clue of what to do with nuclear waste except than putting it underground. Rather than using an ad-hominem argument you could have said the solution. The latest plans to build nuclear power plants where so expensive, that many projects got cancelled or delayed for many years. Germany shows that you don't need nuclear power plants. If our taxes and fees on electricity weren't so high, we would have pretty cheap electricity. Solar and Wind produce over 50-60 % of our needed energy. If we had invested in good storage technologies, it would be probably much higher.

[@BigAlCapwn]

Thinking Top Gear was a serious car review show is a bit like thinking the Eurovision Song Contest is a showcase of Europe's top musical talent

[@Southghost5997]

You take that back about Eurovision 😭😅

[@MrEdioss]

Thinking a video is factual is also wrong

[@BotulinSpikedMarzipan]

​@@Southghost5997It's literally just a pastel demon contest

[@Southghost5997]

@@BotulinSpikedMarzipan Eurovision is a showcase of Europe's top musical talent, sponsored by literal pastel demons then.

[@davidturoff8017]

Read Eric Peters

[@DarkCobra88]

I doubt the script being left out for a engineer of Tesla to see, even by mistake. If that did happen, why did the engineer not report this to Tesla and why wouldn't Tesla make a public statement before the episode airs? There is a good gap between the episodes being filmed to the episodes airing so what's the issue? They might of been small but all the more they could "predict" the outcome with proof, not only giving them cause but proving the reviews and such are fixed before its even tested. Yet... nobody mentioned this ever until years later? Even in the court case?? Come on, i struggle to believe anyone would be so uninterested in their own brand going under before it has chance to shine for no given reason.

[@tjroelsma]

Elon Musk at first just dismissed Clarkson's review for what it was: a hilarious comment of a self-proclaimed petrolhead on what obviously was an EV that still had some significant problems that had yet to be ironed out. The lawsuit came when Musk realised years later that Clarkson's review was actually costing Tesla sales and at that time Tesla desperately needed sales to counter the ever present losses.

[@miru2583]

so they're telling me, that they saw the script trying to sabotage the company but still proceed to greenlight the review?? it just doesn't make any sense.

[@frankdocter3785]

Elon Musk lying? Say it ain't so! In other news, the sky is blue.

[@xrismanessa3993]

It’s his freedom of speech and when Jeremy said something it’s not freedom of speech.

[@TomsGuideToGaming]

@@tjroelsma just on the fact he lost both times shows he said nothing wrong or incorrect about the car. its just like big names like Bugatti and Lambo go after car wow because they cant stand any level of criticism

[@philsblogs8527]

Americans don't get humour. You watched TOP GEAR for entertainment, you watched FIFTH GEAR for factual car content

[@stratojagster7472]

elon musk isn’t American dimwit he’s south african

[@VideosNoOne]

Wasn't Fifth Gear made to continue the early style of Top Gear and focusing more on just cars?

[@Supertobias7]

⁠@@VideosNoOne yes

[@Anonymous_0894]

​@@VideosNoOneIf you watch really early Episodes of the Clarkson, Hammond and May Top Gear, they also did no-nonsense review. This was until about Season 7 when they doubled down on the "ambitious but rubbish" theme.

[@jofujino]

Jeremy shouldn't be referring to his show as having "reviews" then. The problem I have is in interviews he uses terminology like reviews and in court he uses terminology like skits.

[@billhanna5455]

Top Gear was right , The down turn in EVs worldwide buy the ordinary motoring public is evident , Most car companies have stopped with the 'All EVs buy 2030' My local dealer refuses to have them on his lot "No one wants to pay the high prices & NO ONE WANTs a SECONDHAND ONE"... NO ONE ?

[@salland12]

Let's not forget the only time Elon Musk was CEO of a company he didn't own himself he was fired within 6 months.

[@koningflorian2346]

to be fair, perhaps that says more about the toxicity of corporate management than Elon Musk

[@davidturoff8017]

Every dollar Musk made has been subsidized by tax dollars, through his legacy deep state and secret society connections. While E. Coyote has far more "Super Genius" cred than Musk the transhumanist. When you see peoples heads catching on fire after taking a shower, you'll know the shitlibs have started getting the nuerolink.

[@Медведь-ж3с]

@@koningflorian2346no this very limited information that you were given only indicates that elon sucks at his job. just like a lot of actions elon does

[@MacHamish]

And what have you achieved in life?

[@sajeucettefoistunevaspasme]

@@MacHamish I guess he's not born with massive headstart unlike musk

[@sh2157]

Joe Rogan is the only comedian to not understand when jokes are being told.

[@16driver16]

CTE will do that to a guy...

[@dimitridoes7936]

Joe Rogan a cemedian ..?! 😅 / 😢

[@weizenobstmusli8232]

He never did one himself, so how should he know?

[@NoName-ik2du]

Joe Rogan is a comedian? I thought he was just a generic host to various shows.

[@16driver16]

@@NoName-ik2du he used to get hit in the head for s living doing mma

[@bittripper3530]

Musk blaming Top Gear for being dishonest is like the kettle calling the pot black

[@R53Hole]

It's more like a shit telling a Victorian decorated toilet that it smells.

[@theamberwolf6825]

"fully autonomous vehicles next year" elon musk the last 10 years every year

[@TD1237]

@@R53Hole I'd say an unclean Victorian decorated toilet, just to be fair. But your analogy still works.

[@ralphhathaway-coley5460]

....except Musk is not entertaining!

[@robertharrington703]

Really showed us what Musk was before anyone was paying attention

[@bottledwaterprod]

Even 20 years ago it was clear that Top Gear is a reality-style sketch comedy show. Everything is a bit. Ppl taking Clarkson seriously, and especially Joe and Elon acting like it was a huge blow, is just insane.

[@karlbassett8485]

Top Gear is a bit like UK satirical magazine Private Eye. If you read the Eye you know there are clearly made up satirical articles and there are serious investigative journalism articles. And you always know which sections of the magazine are the serious ones and which are the satirical ones. So yes we all know TG was scripted and lots of it is done for comedy, but fundamentally if they test a new hypercar and say it will do 200mph then that is taken as a fact. I was a huge fan of the Clarkson/Hammond/May era TG but the fact is he very much had an agenda against EVs and hybrids and frequently stretched the truth or all out misled viewers to portray them in a negative light. Showing the Tesla running out of power and having to be pushed is one example. (Though racing around a track is HUGELY fuel hungry whatever the car runs on. The Elise in that test probably average 5mpg) They "tested" a Prius by having it drive around the track flat out and having a BMW M3 follow it, and compared fuel consumption, which is a staggeringly stupid and pointless test. The benefit of hybrids is in city stop start traffic. Driving flat out they are just an ICE car. What did that "test" prove? Did they do a follow up where both cars were driven across Londin in rush hour and compare THAT fuel consumption? Of course not. They tested a Nissan Leaf in the north of England and showed it running out of battery, when we later found out that they actually STARTED the trip with the battery only half charged, with viewers given the impression it was fully charged. They have done a couple of hypermiling features to show how economical petrol cars can be, driving an Audi from London to Scotland and back on one tank of petrol, and a cross Europe trip with a Jaguar and a VW, with Jeremy driving carefully to show how far you can go on one tank. Yet again, no similar feature with an EV showing how far one of them can go on one charge.

[@fetB]

and every joke has a kernel of truth. Thats what makes it fun and its the very basis of a good sketch show, and that includes top gear for that matter. The humor isnt the criticism, but the lies presented as the kernel of truth

[@FLPhotoCatcher]

@@karlbassett8485 *Exactly.* There was *no way* to know whether Top Gear was lying or not. In fact, even though I know it's an entertainment show, I would have thought that the Tesla really did what they said it did if I didn't hear that the review was false. It really is shameful that you can't trust a popular show to be honest in their review of a car.

[@DontMessWithCaesar]

if they are a comedy show than they have no buissness making a car review and elon should be sueing them because they just do it to make elon look bad🤦‍♂️

[@deathtrooper2048]

Top gear was always a car review show, it was like that before, during, and after the trio.

[@IrinaMarko]

whatsinmy AI fixes this. Tesla sued Clarkson over review.

[@sergiykovalchuk4239]

They did and lost twice.

[@andrewlutes2048]

Over 10 years later and Tesla still struggles with reliability, performance and build quality.

[@HonestTom1892]

Old Top Gear was gold ❤

[@rajimus]

its the same as its always been. Grand tour is the sme tired used jokes and "banter" hasnt been good since 2008

[@charloplaysofficial]

Gran tour is awesome

[@chadhaire1711]

it was fake garbage and Clarkson is a jackass

[@DROK278]

@@rajimus Womp womp 😂 It is and always will be one of the very best car shows ever, even the stuff past "2008" Top Gear btw not Grand tour.

[@stephenfarry3151]

​@DROK278 i think Flintoff saved it.

[@erwingeorge6187]

Where is the freedom of speech Elon Musk?

[@iPat6G]

He knew the law about this is different in England, hence the suing.

[@sebastiankeano4926]

Elon bought Twitter to protect his freedom of speech..

[@LiftandCoa]

@iPat6G No, OPs point is thar Musk never gave and never will give a fck about freedom of speech. Its just advantageous for his future scams ti act like he does. Twitter and his various lawsuit against opinions shows that abundandly clear. Also the law in england is different yes, but Musk still had NO basis for a lawsuit whatsoever as everything said is protected by law.

[@razvi01]

Only when he likes it.

[@cane6074]

Elon: That's for me, not for thee!

[@seanmcdonagh6237]

Musk is completely lying about the script haha

[@teddownunder875]

Glad someone else picked up on that

[@lewishamilton.f1.44]

And he is also lying about being a good father he is actually a horrible father to his transgender daughter if he really was a good father then he would have supported his son/daughter being trans and her transition also his daughter claims he was abusive and i believe her in this i mean the guy has an ego as big as the burj Khalifa

[@James_Bee]

@lewishamilton.f1.44 I'm no Musk fan, but it's utter insanity to think kids should be pushed into transgenderism. 30 year old studies aside, thankfully more recent studies have shown the same results that "trans" kids nearly always grow out of it and regret their decision. Not to mention the horrific side effects of hormone blockers and I won't even get into the absolute unethical "surgeries" that are just body mutilation. Stop supporting this insanity. Do ACTUAL RESEARCH on the topic and stop listening to people that are LYING because they want everyone else to accept their delusion. - a former trans.

[@joeschipper6465]

@@lewishamilton.f1.44 if he was a good father his child wouldve never mutilated themselves lol

[@RepublicanAtheist]

Dork.

[@merakrut]

Winter driving a Tesla is a nightmare. Ops! Now I will get sued.

[@leonkernan]

14:02 Any car will almost kill you if you drive it off a mountain.

[@fredcasdensworld]

Top Gear exposed Elon Musk for being a complete twat, so we should be thankful for that

[@InfernosReaper]

Yeah, it's a shame it didn't sink in with a lot of people back then.

[@corsel6911]

Beautiful rhyme

[@Tom-mk7iq]

Best selling cars lol

[@FUJILA]

How did they expose him?

[@badgers1975]

We needed top gear to do that?

[@Haueru86]

Kinda funny. Tesla says the brake failure *did* happen but wasn't that bad. Then Elon says the brake failure did *not* happen and that it was part of this "script". Pick an option lmao, they cant both be true

[@karlbassett8485]

I noticed that. Plus, as others have said, if the Tesla guy saw this script when dropping the car off why didn't Tesla act then? That would have been months before it aired. Why not refuse to hand the car over? Or have lawyers contact the BBC before it aired to stop them showing the car "breaking down"? Why not even mention it until years later?

[@Haueru86]

@karlbassett8485 because Elon Musk is a compulsive liar.

[@HonestWatchReviewsHWR]

If they saw the script when dropping off the car, why did they not take it back and refuse to do it, unless they gave it a fair review?

[@ThomasBarker-e8i]

The BBC doesn’t give a fair review. It needs to be shut down

[@gamerfan8445]

​@@ThomasBarker-e8ior maybe Musk is lying about the event.

[@fetB]

depends how much they saw. As i understand they maybe saw a page, so seeing a staged bit about a break down, doesnt means thats the moral of the story; just part of a gag. Would you go the the BBC and say, "hey dont make fun of or with our car" or let them do their thing. And obviously musk understood it himself, but turns out, a lot more people do take the show serious

[@Klontruppe]

Jeremy Clarkson vs. Elon Musk is one of those things we all should just slap the "2 idiots fighting the worst fight I've seen" meme on and leave be.

[@NinjaAdorable]

I'll be honest, i had taken Musk's side back when this aired, because it felt a bit too convenient for that many things to go wrong with a car during a shoot. But seeing Tesla over the years, i think i owe Clarkson an apology for ever doubting him.😂😂😂

[@Jesus_H._Tap-DancingChrist]

Musk, the electric Karen, lost twice.

[@Vile_Entity_3545]

You had better retract that statement because he is one of the only big people that is fighting for your freedoms, or are you one of them that likes their freedom whittled away until they live under what the Chinese public do?

[@ThomasBarker-e8i]

I made this account just to reply to this comment. Anybody with half a braincell and can use critical thinking skills can tell the BBC have clearly tried to make Tesla look bad. Now you’ve got to ask why? Look who the stock holders are then you’ll understand why the BBC wants to make electric cars look bad. Absolute reprobates use 15% of you brain next time ahahaha

[@nou7401]

Except in sales, LMAO

[@Dreadpirateflappy]

@@nou7401 What it has in sales, it loses in reliability...

[@PeugeotRocket]

It's pretty crazy when someone can outright lie about your product but not be found liable...

[@lumethecrow]

"We're suing you because you gave our bad product a bad review!"

[@bradkubota6968]

Elon calling someone else a liar! Thats funnier than anything TOP GEAR has ever done.

[@karlbassett8485]

Seeing these old clips remind you that Elon was once sane and reasonable, or at least managed to look that way in public. The last few years he's gone way overboard. Telling Twitter advertisers to "f*ck off", and then a year later threatening to sue them for f*cking off for example.

[@bradkubota6968]

@@karlbassett8485 "unhinged" Elon is on a really slippery slope. Can't imagine the damage he could do if placed in charge of governing something public.

[@donnikthejedi2222]

​@@bradkubota6968anyone who's still on Twitter is surrounded by 75% Bots with Blue Check marks ragebaiting now lmao

[@Shannon-ij1pm]

You have to remember the original show came out in 2008. Back then Tesla would have provided a level 1 charger as level 2 chargers were still very rare, making the charging time 12-16 hours, even on the small battery of the roadster. The Tesla lawyer said it should take 3 - 3 1/2 hours which might have been done on a level 2, but not on a level 1 charger. One of Jeremy's main complaints is that when you put your foot down hard, like on a race track, the battery drained really quickly. EV's have gotten better, but in 2008 that was a real problem.

[@alt7488]

if anyone was spending 91,000 pound sterling on a repowered lotus back then, they were not watching top gear for advice

[@TheChees1996]

Elon musk be like Freedom of speech to ruin country: 😁 Freedom of speech against his products:🤬

[@ilikecats7737]

Why is freedom of speech ruining the country, so people can say their own opinions about really anything?

[@12thMandalorian]

Elon Musk is the kind of person who was a dick at school, he wasnt a bully, he just enjoyed spouting nonsense to cause a reaction

[@12thMandalorian]

@@Janksoalot how did they lie? If they lied they wouldnt have won the case 🤣

[@B4R0N.]

​@@12thMandalorian ... did you watch the video? They won, not because they proved they didn't lie, but because it was ruled it wouldn't be taken seriously.

[@12thMandalorian]

@@B4R0N. google it and it states BBC won, not Tesla

[@B4R0N.]

@@12thMandalorian ... you didn't even read the reply, did ya?

[@12thMandalorian]

@@B4R0N. accept the L and move on 😂

[@WMcGinty-s5w]

'Car enthusiasts like myself actually rely on them'??? I'm sorry but the stupidity of that statement goes beyond words...

[@madmax404]

Your lack of understanding of the value of a brand for luxury car buyers goes beyond words*

[@McGarnickle]

6:30 musks statement seem surprisingly honest and diplomatic. Sad he turned into a megalomaniac right-wing nut.

[@jtjoemamma]

hes a businessman saying what he has to. you can tell he isnt saying what he wants.

[@CB-ke7eq]

He loves that BBC though...

[@peterallebone6446]

Why do they ALWAYS show a gavel, whenever anything about British courts appears - the British legal system has NEVER used a gavel . . . EVER??!!

[@davidgroves8049]

NO the British use a stone that sparks just like the Klingons! HAHAHAHA

[@MrGeocidal]

Did you know Shakespeare was a Klingon?

[@TheCatBilbo]

Always niggles me too, it's fairly common even in UK programmes & articles, films etc. It's like showing a US Judge wearing a wig in 2024.

[@juhakivimaki94]

your average tesla driver will not replace a fuse in just a few minutes,try few weeks.

[@robwalker4452]

LOL!

[@jimmunro4649]

And cost $1000

[@ilikecats7737]

@@jimmunro4649And you’ll probably never blow a fuse in the whole lifetime of having your car. LOL!

[@peterwilliamson1825]

They don't even have thermal fuses like a conventional car. If a circuit is overloaded the virtual fuse will reset itself once the overload condition has stopped. Virtual fuses are not new technology. They've been used in aircraft like the 787 and the first flight of the 787 happened 15 years ago. The actual design of the 787 is much older still.

[@brentonherbert7775]

@@ilikecats7737 Ok tesla simp got your elon bitcoin for shilling now? Good good....

[@Omni-Man]

Poor little Elon Musk, clawing his way from the dirt. Yea, the dirt from the Diamond Mine he inherited.

[@AnonymousCaveman]

Based comment 😂

[@Fissan_Poulsen]

The fabricated story was actually about an emerald mine.

[@Gearparadummies]

He actually renounced to his inheritance. But even if he didn't, turning a tens of millions dollars worth mine into a 270 billion fortune is quite the feat. Mind you, nearly 80% of lottery winners end up broke. It's not about having money, it's about knowing what to do with it.

[@Fissan_Poulsen]

@@Gearparadummies You’re absolutely right, but the story about the mine is either not true, as there are no documents or evidence to back it up, or it is exaggerated. The only source is an interview with his father, who claimed to have a share in a mine in an African country, just like I might claim to have a share in Tesla. That doesn’t mean I’m very rich.

[@madmax404]

Congratulations for spewing debunked misinformation from your hate cage. Your contribution isn't even close to the most common bullshit (emerald mine) but I guess low effort lying pays

[@michaelweiss9219]

Joe Rogan and Elon Musk, I think the nine year old remark applies.......

[@AirWolf2301]

I like how the 2 biggest time stamps where people pressed to skip or go back on YT are when Jeremy starts talking and when elmo is done talking lol

[@Nah_no_thanks]

I am an American who agrees with Clarkson on American cars. They are crap. I hate seeing luxury interiors on work trucks, when they are at a grocery store. The bed liner looks like dirt has never touched it. No scratches to indicate dragging heavy equipment to and from the bed. But the truck is valued at over 70,000! Nah, we as a country like cars, but clearly the larger audience doesn't care about driving dynamics or quality roads. I miss sedans. Remember when buick made a sedan? How about Lincoln? How about the outgoing Chrysler 300? The American car market blows.

[@alexferrana3979]

Agreed. Modern American cars, barring few exceptions, are crappy.

[@stephenfarry3151]

But the customised ones are the best.

[@chadhaire1711]

Clarkson is a jackass..........Camaro, Corvette, Mustang will run circles around Euro garbage

[@tapset]

American cars fell off hard

[@bobbybishop5662]

I'm wondering how big a snowflake one has to be to get upset about the interior of someone else's truck.

[@mraidymaddful]

It's kind of ironic that Elon says Clarkson hates Americans and American cars when Elon Musk is in fact not American. Funny how that works.............

[@johnsmith-7oo]

Technically he IS American as he has been an American citizen for years now. He was born in South Africa, moved to Canada as a teen then to the US where he has since become an American citizen.

[@MrEnglischjules]

So can he run for president then? Noop.

[@johnsmith-7oo]

@@MrEnglischjules Why on Earth would he want THAT poison chalice? To run for President he would have to relinquish his businesses plus which he arguably can wield more power than the President as he is. Your comment is puerile at best.

[@Strahan740i]

@@MrEnglischjules ... ok? That doesn't invalidate him being an American citizen though.

[@phillipcoetzer8186]

@@mraidymaddful Americans would call him African American... kinda explains the cybertruck.

[@gingerjoe117]

“A spaniel from the 40’s” 😂😂

[@johnbartholf777]

I love Top Gear and the lads, but they staged the "breakdown" and they ONLY won the court case because they judge ruled that no one is stupid enough to seriously take car advice from the show 😂

[@VascoCC95]

I mean... I know Top Gear is scripted but that Joe Rogan interview was WAY more "scripted" then Top Gear 😅

[@organicleaf]

especially cuz they talked about how much scripting they actually do and most of it not even being scripted, just some headpointers basicly what they want to talk about and show and the rest is just them being them

[@danieljdtaylor]

Musk seems extremely insecure and it makes sense when you look at the history of “his” companies and how he hasn’t really founded any of them. I think he would be a lot more likeable if he chose to be genuine and embrace his flaws rather than act insecure and defensive about anything bad said against him or his companies. Also, Tesla seeing Top Gear’s script HAS to be a lie. Why would they still lend them the car for the review if they knew what was coming? Such a dumb story. Love that Joe Rogan says he’s a huge Top Gear fan and then proceeds to not know where the hosts ended up lol.

[@kevinrayner5812]

He certainly didn't like the criticism of his submarine idea to save the boys trapped in the cave. The submarine would idea would never have worked.

[@aquaticborealis4877]

Musk lying??? That’s impossible!!!

[@thomasdalby8420]

Isn't Jeremy allowed to have the freedom of speech to say what he wants about Tesla?

[@karlbassett8485]

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences of that speech. Yell "Fire" in a crowded theatre and see what happens. Publicly accuse someone of being a rapist or murderer and see what happens.

[@andreborges2881]

I dislike Elon, but freedom of speech isn’t anything like that. There’s full liability and responsibility within everything we say - if you provided a misinformed statement within a reasonable position of authority in face of an audience, that could and should be used against you if damages were to occur to the listeners.

[@dryfox11]

@@karlbassett8485Comparing giving a crap car a bad review to r*pe accusations is wild.

[@ralphhathaway-coley5460]

@@karlbassett8485 ........ exactly and Ellon Mouse lost in court Twice, so no freedom from consequences meant Ellon had to pay all the costs , including the 'production companies' for both cases!

[@Jeffnvz]

@@karlbassett8485 Is this what I mean when I say your product sucks?

[@whydoilivetoseethis]

We should point out Teslas official submission in court was that the brakes failed due to a fuse and it was quick to fix and then Elon says that that was actually scripted on a podcast. I can actually understand the confusion here because the average top gear episode is generally more accurate than anything he says.

[@bromazepam781]

0:55 - It truly is a clown world when Clarkson is the voice of reason

[@donaldpleasant7839]

Huh…. Musk doesn’t seem to keen on that whole Free Speech thing when he doesn’t own the platform that’s producing it.

[@ZER0--]

Elon sounded almost normal in the BBC clip.

[@TheSirlefty]

The adderall has ruined his speech

[@LuKaZz420]

@@TheSirleftythe ketamine. Long term use does a job on the areas of the brain responsible for speech, motion coordination, memory. Slurring your speech is normal after a k sesh. I know

[@madmax404]

@@LuKaZz420 Have you ever heard a high functioning autist speak? There's nothing "wrong" with how he talks, or his mannerism. Just more cogs turning in there than with most of people.

[@MrPlannery]

He actually sounded sane.

[@aquaticborealis4877]

He took a red pill and that quickly destroyed his brain

[@jonlee580]

2024 and Tesla still makes some of the worst quality vehicles today..most of their cars have recalls

[@johnsmith-7oo]

"most"...I call BS without any evidence. I know 3 Tesla owners who will now never drive anything else. Personally I loathe ALL EVs and will never own one but to say they are terrible quality tells me you have never owned or even driven one. Just another Musk hater I guess.

[@bl4cksp1d3r]

​@@johnsmith-7oo Reuters, July 30 2024, "Tesla recalls 1.85 million Us vehicles over unlatched Hood issue" quote: "the recall is tesla's biggest since december, when it recalled 2.03 million US vehicles - or nearly all of its cars on US roads at the time

[@bl4cksp1d3r]

​@@johnsmith-7oo what I shared is easy to look up. It's alright to be sceptic, but the answer to that is not to declare the other side as a hater, but to check their claim yourself.

[@aterron1000]

⁠​⁠@@bl4cksp1d3r While yes it is a problem notifying the driver that the hood is unlatched, almost all of the recalls have been solved by an over the air update and is very rarely hardware related. Although a 'Recall' is always for safety issues with NHTSA, I have seen that it's the only term available for safety issues despite being big or small, like for example: "Tesla recalling nearly 2.2M vehicles for software update to fix warning lights that are too small". Which in reality meant only adjusting by a few pixels the size of the icon of the PARK, BREAK and ABS icons on the screen but it caught a lot of attention because it was a 'Recall' despite being something small. I do agree the recent stuff that Tesla has been doing is wrong like removing sensors, the Cybertruck apart from looking ugly, is made very poorly and glued together pretty much because of Musk's stubbornness

[@ctmme]

Like other American cars today are so good, and you clearly never had the misfortune of driving an Italian car. :P

[@joelcourt4697]

I thought Musk was all about free speech

[@16driver16]

This isn't technically anything to do with the goverment so it's not related to free speech but what musk calls free speech so your not really wrong

[@soup9911]

he is, until people start saying stuff he doesnt like.

[@thunderlighting2006]

Not if they talk bad about him

[@da206hbe]

Yeeaah right! If you want to work at a Tesla workshop in Sweden you have to sign a 40-70 pages long complicated contract (standard in Sweden is at most 2 pages). You have to agree to lifetime secrecy and are prohibited to ever talk about Tesla for eternity. If you invent something, even if you have left Tesla, Tesla has the right to all your inventions for the rest of your life. Are you f-ing kidding me about free speech? Musk and a lot of US big business tycoons belong in mental asylums. Someone said Bezos? Wait, I did. And this is the type of leaders many US citizens admire? Shame on you!

[@kindnessmattersffs]

If free speech is "Just for me - not for thee" then he's all for it.

[@WarrenMesser]

Screw Tesla. I had a "stupid" period where I wanted one, but now I am free.

[@kisse1987]

6:17 funny coming from the guy who has since basically lied about everything that has to do with tesla 😂😂

[@user-tm1oy6ck4t]

It takes soooo little for Musky to get butt hurt. Utter baby. Rogan, as ever, is pure cringe.

[@bellers01]

Joe rogan was disgusted? Has he recovered?

[@robwalker4452]

Holy jeepers, I can't even imagine how bad he felt. He's a tough guy though... he'll bounce back from it in a few years.

[@andykennedy5982]

No, there's no recovery from stupid

[@AlphaHorst]

Strange how inthe Rogan "interview" there was suddenly a script, which was never brought up in any of the court cases by Elons side. But according to the BBCs Top Gear Team the script for each episode was not finalised until they actually had everything filmed with it evolving throughout the filming. So i call utter bullsh*t on Elons claims made in that interview.

[@babayega1717]

That part with the tesla engineer saying there was a RANDOM SCRIPT LAYING ON THE TABLE and he was able to read it through, is laughably made up.

[@Brehat29]

"All men are nine years old." Well, Clarkson and Musk certainly are.

[@dennis_nl7587]

But sadly, Tesla survived the backlash 😒

[@matthewhopkins666]

"His two pet peeves are Americans, American cars and electric cars." Counting not your strong suit Elon?

[@LayzeeGiant]

And he’s not even American.

[@Strahan740i]

@@LayzeeGiant He's been an American for the last 22 years.

[@defeqel6537]

@@Strahan740i he has truly integrated well, taking counting lessons from Biden, I see

[@bushrod324]

To be fair, I think the "American cars" was a clarification of the "american"

[@Strahan740i]

@@defeqel6537 lol

[@whophd]

6:55 Jeremy Clarkson - and this is weird - has come a long long way in 15 years too. By the time he made series 3 of Clarkson's Farm and fighting conservative councils, he's walked the long road to becoming an animal lover, and even made a joke about climate change that was meant to sound sarcastically in agreement but was actually not sarcastic.

[@karlbassett8485]

You could say the opposite about Elon. In these video clips he looks sane and reasonable. Today he's clearly a nutjob who promotes wacky conspiracy theories on Twitter.

[@infinityBBC]

@@karlbassett8485 "Today he's clearly a nut job who promotes wacky conspiracy theories on Twitter" - like what??? most every political post i see from him is dead on accurate.

[@chadchadchadchadchad]

​@@infinityBBCYou don't have to have proof of things anymore. You can just say what you heard on the news or Reddit and it's true.🎉

[@defeqel6537]

JC mostly talks about climate change because Amazon makes him. Climate change, while most likely has some truth to it, has a shit ton of misconceptions and lies made up about it, to get clicks and political power. Currently relevant lies would be storms and hurricanes increasing, in frequency or strength, neither has been true so far, slightly the opposite in fact.

[@adonis2003]

Musk and Rogan complaining about lies is priceless

[@locohobo1925]

Elon handled this so poorly... He should have gone on the show with them and joked about these things. He would have seemed more credible and relatable.

[@gregclements715]

I thought Musk champions free speech?

[@madmax404]

Libel isn't just "Free speech" the same way bringing a gun to a wrestling match isn't OK. Doesn't make him less of a wrestling fan.

[@cttommy73]

Free speech until you say so ethi g he doesn't like.

[@Jesus_H._Tap-DancingChrist]

2:15 Surely it's the motor that's the size of a melon, not the battery.

[@Jesus_H._Tap-DancingChrist]

"Sued for liable" 😂

[@MitchCyan]

That was the first time I ever heard of Tesla.

[@Rondo2ooo]

Tesla is the typical litigious US company handled by a narcissistic person, who can't handle criticism. I'll never buy a Tesla.

[@drei-zwei-eins]

Jeremy Clarkson > Elon Musk simple math

[@MillhouseSpeaks]

I sense a new Jeremy Kyle video in the making

[@antonmarnitz6598]

2:13 - It's a MOTOR the size of a watermelon, not a battery.... 2:44 - what is wrong with electricity from a nuclear power station? Nuclear energy is literally the most environmentally friendly from cradle to grave. "Electronic cars" Not a big Tesla fan, but I have so many issues with this video

[@martinjrgensen8234]

Environmentalists hate nuclear power

[@bluefoxy6478]

Because environmentalists don't understand how nuclear power works. They think it's just as bad as coal and constantly point at Chernobyl as to why "nuke bad". They've had that attitude for decades and "green" organizations or political parties have shut down multiple nuclear power plants. That's why Jeremy pointed that out.

[@kapralas]

1. Mistakes happen 2. Context for disliking nuclear energy, especially in 2008, is vital.

[@harloday]

@antonmartnitz6598 the power station featured in the clip is not a nuclear power station, it’s didcot power station a coal and gas fired power station. It’s not just nuclear power stations that have cooling towers.

[@madmax404]

@@kapralas Nuclear energy being so feared in 2008 ... the green parties of Europe have done more damage for sustainable power than any other ideological actors towards it, it's so ridiculous in retrospect. Not that Clarkson is a fan of those parties, but it's a "even they said it" kind of thing

[@astrea5849]

joe rogan's the type of guy to read the onion for factual opinion

[@crow578]

They're both idiots.

[@Ujjwalis]

01:10 : Jermy was so, so correct about the perils of EV back then itself- The Pollution from Li-ion battery themselves, the Electricity to charge them not coming from "ALL-Green" sources and , most importantly the Self-immolation Battery System. What he missed was disillusioned claims of "Self Driving" cars which can crash as if a 4 years old were driving it.

[@RicondaRacing]

New title: African American Elon Musk admits he's a big fan of the BBC.

[@marcosgomes7681]

Big Black D.??😅😅😅

[@captain_cgc2413]

Mr. Free Speech strikes again. Elon is a clown.

[@21stcenturyozman20]

But not at all a funny one.

[@noldo3837]

Even the laughter of Elmo Musk is fake.

[@Mrbimmer11]

LIKE HIS CRAPPY MOBILE PHONES ON WHEELS😂

[@tokul76]

It is not fake when he thinks or imagines that other side is sucking his little friend.

[@Vernafveik]

>Take product on an entertainment show that doesn’t take itself too seriously >It’s made fun off and isn’t taken seriously >😮

[@JackInDaBoxx]

Back then i thought Tesla was shit. And now i still think they're shit.

[@marcosgomes7681]

Look at what you say, the lawyers come for you soon 😅😅😅

[@dalamar666]

If Tesla is not going to be honest about the car, why should Top Gear be required to be honest about it?

[@topmandog1]

the issue is with looking back on electric cars on TG was that the 2 major cars they focused on was the tesla roadster and the G wiz, then later a few other random ones but it was still a time when you needed to plug it in a wall charger that took like 15 hours and the other option was the Prius, and that jonathon ross clip is from that era too, since then jeremy has given better views and james and richard both own a electric car

[@Ethan-Entah]

If that script really did say that the tesla was planned to break down, then why wouldn't have Tesla asked for Clarkson's defence lawyers to turn it over as evidence during the liable case? As the lawyers' would have been obligated to comply, and it's a very strong piece of evidence in Tesla's favour.

[@chrisczarnik3439]

Good on you Jeremy, Tesla is absolute crap 💩

[@anoukpoelmans2768]

If it was scripted or not, for me it does'nt matter. But they where at least honest to tell from every car if it was crap or not even from high end sports cars. Other show where more about the technical and cost and mainly what was good on the car, but not wat was bad. If the car was porely made, Top Gear would mention it, other don't. And that was the main reason I liked it. As a car person and as a mechanic for my own car collection, Top Gear was for me at that time the most honest tv-show about cars. And for Musk, when I heard he was also going to be delivering space rockets to NASA, first thing in my mind was that I would not be surprised when on of those went suddenly missing, acting like Hugo Drax from Moonraker.

[@caiosantana6889]

Nuclear is better than Oil though

[@Resijew]

10:42 receipts please Elon? Surely that would have impacted the lawsuit?

[@Grovel_Gravel]

Next, Elon Musk will try to sue Saturday Night Live for telling jokes and anyone that boycotts him.

[@JonathanTamm]

He was on Saturday night live as a host. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4DGpaWJbM9rmsk

[@gustav3443]

Not the same thing, Tesla at the time were a small company. And the minor decrease in sales could bankrupt him.

[@mjribes]

They lost the lible case not because the Tesla review was falsified (the facts proved that), but because the Court found that the show was not a news show but rather pure entertainment - something that viewers knew.

[@entropyachieved750]

Nope

[@Cappy_Cat]

Except the car did break down? So no, evidence proves the opposite.

[@entropyachieved750]

@@Cappy_Cat you won't win with these Musk fanboys... They will still tell you the Cybertruck is the best car ever despite them always breaking down...

[@mjribes]

@Cappy_Cat Except it didn't. They pretended it ran out of charge and pushed it into the garage, where they then discovered a fuse had blown.

[@mjribes]

@@entropyachieved750 Haters gonna hate, right. And I don't particularly like the cybertruck

[@jamessizemore7103]

No way the Tesla engineer drops off the car and just "sees a script on the table and looks through it"

[@tsl56]

Plonker meets plonker! Made for each other!

[@Treeblaze12]

I 100% agree with Jeremy fuck electric cars

[@cenajhon1948]

It's not prectical in present time but maybe in future

[@gustav3443]

Say that, when you’re forced to get into one.

[@Sinead-q3k]

Still don't understand how people think disposable cars are better for the environment 😂. Evs are the fast fashion of cars

[@Sinead-q3k]

​​@@cenajhon1948they've never been partical anytime we've tried to make them like in the 1800s, they'll never be. It's a pure money racket