Is Ricciardo's F1 Farewell Fastest Lap Controversial?

[@TrumpAndKamila]

I loved Dannys last Lap

[@jan.lotvall]

DannyRic definitely deserved that lap. GO NASCAR❤

[@Monty-kr7py]

So did I , because we haven't got to watch an average Aussie fannying around in a F1 car

[@TrumpAndKamila]

@@Monty-kr7py average. Ye right

[@foryousten]

it's so boring without donuts, like poor Schumacher

[@nieko3038]

At this point I wonder what isn’t controversial in modern F1. Every weekend people are on about something.

[@mutleyeng]

nothing new about the b team contoversy - only thing that was new was how absurdly blatant it was.

[@nieko3038]

@@mutleyeng I would be all for selling the team to Andretti. I assume we get this whole issue again when Lando loses out on a few points on the drivers championship. McLaren is responsible for that. Apparently it was Daniels last race but people rather make a fuzz about RB. Its really not necessary. Lot of content creators love to stirr the pot too. I see this as an fu from Daniel to McLaren.

[@matejkovacic9310]

@@nieko3038 Daniel can claim it was an fu to McLaren all he likes, it wasn't his decision to go for the fastest lap, his team called him into the pits over the radio to put him on new tyres in order to go for the fastest lap. No one would be complaining if it was Daniels decision, but it wasn't. It was his teams, and more than likely, ultimately REed Bulls decision.

[@DenUitvreter]

Inside or outside the UK?

[@sharpe3698]

Gotta feed the content machine

[@f1explained542]

Everyone likes Danny Ric. Everyone understands that RB can be pretty ruthless. It's the bed you sleep in, man.

[@murraywagnon1841]

As a long time motor racing fan (I saw my first race at Laguna Seca in 1968) where the Ricciardo Fastest Lap is concerned, in my opinion, If the car is still running and has all four wheels, it is pretty much 'open season' on getting the fastest lap.

[@katv1195]

I agree 100%. I also think it should be 2 points for fastest lap for the top 10, and 1 point for everyone past position 10. We'd get to watch Bottas and Gasly hooning around the track in the last 5 minutes

[@teknikairaoulolgandessabek4102]

Pierre Gasly driving for Alpha Tauri in 2021 took away the fastest lap from Hamilton in the Hungary GP. Nothing new here.

[@johnrobson7367]

I wonder if Williams regret hiring sainz for big money now that colopinto has shown he is as fast as Albion for a fraction of the money

[@F1Elvis]

Fair point

[@proesterchen]

@@johnrobson7367 Depends entirely on how Carlito performs compared to Alex. There's always the chance that Ashley was just flattered by previously having two truly terrible team mates at Williams.

[@darensmith2033]

I think the point of a Sainz is not just speed, but the ability to help develop a car. Not sure Collapinto could do that in his rookie year.

[@cam-hz4yl]

RE: dani Ric It must be tough driving a car that's not a front runner and also fighting for 11th position. He's a winner. I get that he's not performed, but give him a better car, and he's one of the top drivers!!

[@proesterchen]

@@cam-hz4yl No one's seeing that, aside from maybe Christian Horner, for some inexplicable reason. And even that guy ultimately chose giving up on Dany over picking another fight with Dr Marko.

[@georgebraham6731]

As an Alonso fan watching Brasil 2012, it was really annoying to see Vettel getting a free pass from the Toro Rosso's as he came back through the field after the tangle with Senna on the first lap - openly instructed on the radio from TR if I remember rightly. Schumacher also chose to wave him through as a token on his final race (which was of course his own choice) but it wasn't great fun to see him get 3 places back for free. May not have made the difference, but took the shine off the finale for sure.

[@Gopher31]

In Baku, Piastri showed everyone ‘This is who I am’ In Singapore, Lando did the same. Great driver pairing!

[@F1Elvis]

👍

[@Kyr0SpaceCadet]

yea exactly, lando showed hes not that capable of leading a GP. every single time hes been 1st by a good margin he has these weird small incidents like going into the wall 2 times at Singapore when under zero pressure. although it seems he finally got his starts down so thats a massive improvement. he can just stop having these weird small moments when in the lead he could easily win the title next season

[@Cloxxki]

Shows that neither has the consistency of a true champion.

[@JNST2023]

@@Kyr0SpaceCadet Because he was pushing unlike Max cruising with his dominant car almost falling asleep

[@Kyr0SpaceCadet]

@@JNST2023 if youre pushing when you have an entire pitstop between you and 2nd place youre dumb. lando norris isnt dumb. also just looking at the incidents he really wasnt pushing at all lol, its just a lapse in concentration. max did the same thing, hes spun out in the lead like twice now and has been in the wall a few times aswell. however max only ever did this 1 time in the races where it happened. if lando was going 10mph faster he would have dnf'd in the wall. thats a huge mistake that almost cost him the win.

[@wakkosan]

Good-bye Honey Badger and thank you. And as for the rules: Read the rule book once to see what they say and then read it again to see what they DON'T say.

[@johnfh]

I fully agree with you about "l0oking for loopholes". F1 tries to anticipate what teams will do, but sometimes they have to react to a team that finds the loophole. It's good that you had some kind words about Ricciardo, He deserves them for his F1 history, but sadly it hasn't gone well the last couple of years.

[@jimw6659]

That’s a Tony Hadley mic hold 😂

[@sloth_energy]

True

[@F1Elvis]

😂

[@hanshendriksen72]

Gold!

[@epb091786]

Please add a no spoilers option to seed stream. I have to turn the notifications off because I don’t want the races live.

[@markhodge7]

Daniel is possibly my favorite F1 personality since Sir Jackie Stewart. I adored Jackie when I was a kid in the late 60s. So many great drivers since Jackie, but these two seem so approachable.

[@Mohawk_Racing]

Little observation, that mic doesn't like being spoken directly into. Lots of pops coming through at sub frequencies. Use a hpf or clip the mic on. Both would be best!

[@johnharrington9655]

I think Marc is the most level headed, unbiased commentator on formula 1 today. 100% agree regarding the Daniel “controversy” it would be wholly disingenuous to argue one aspect is against the spirit of the rules whilst another is not. Thank you for your continued excellent content and impartial perspective

[@anndaly9381]

Crazy focusing on this one point for fastest lap. When Lando's team forced him to give up the win and first place to his team mate, many more points lost there.

[@adventtrooper]

It's as much psychological, preventing Lando getting the clean sweep, as actual impact.

[@willf1sv5]

If this Ricciardo fastest lap is a real problem then I have a suggestion: Do what they do in Formula E. If the driver with the fastest lap finishes outside the top 10 the fastest lap point goes to the driver with the fastest lap in the top 10 finishers This way no driver can lose a point for something like this if this is deemed as an issue.

[@spikyone79]

The issue wasn't a driver outside of the top 10, there would have been no discussion if Perez had been running around in 15th and took the fastest lap. The issue is that it looks like the two Red Bull teams colluding. Whether that's true or not, it's always been problematic that Red Bull effectively have four cars to everyone else's two.

[@ArakkAttack]

Way to miss the point. It's not about this specific issue, it's about the following: does red bull have the potential to wield influence over the actions of the VCARB team and drivers, and if so, is that desirable to allow in the sport?

[@greypossum1]

Or we could award a point for pole or we could get teams to work together so teammates don't take points from each other. Its not rocket science.

[@geniferteal4178]

Like haas could do for Ferrari

[@spikyone79]

@@geniferteal4178 The big difference is that Haas aren't owned by Ferrari. Ferrari could ask Haas to do something and Haas can say "no". If RB ask VCARB to do something, they're asking themselves.

[@tommy96705]

Nice summary and I agree, if there is an issue, it is with the rules. I am more interested in how McLaren have somehow agreed to change their wing with no retrospective penalty for Baku. I’d have thought either the wing is legal (and hence no change required) or illegal (hence Baku DSQ). It feels a bit murky for them to agree not to use it again with no punishment for Baku. (I’m by no means an expert and nor do I want them disqualified from Baku, but this situation seems odd)

[@strawman3059]

Red bull been getting away with it for three years 🤔

[@pffyespff]

Isn't this comparable to Red Bull's brakes case, a "clever rear cross-brake inertia valve" thingy which the team were obliged to remove before the Miami GP? Another tech. solution which was kinda illegal, or borderline legal, because rules were unclear.

[@jmacd8817]

Or look at Ferrari's engine fuckery in 2019 (or was it 2020?) They had to change some mapping on their engine mid-season, and all of a sudden they went from unbeatable to uunwinnable. FIA investigated and no penalties were issued, and the results are still sealed.

[@mikewallace1723]

Happens a lot.grey area. Wasn’t Mercedes wheel angle thingy similar ? You can’t penalise if not breaking the rules. Suggests not in the spirit of the rules and they’re asked not to use again. Seems fair?

[@snoopydogg1]

@@tommy96705 great point 👉

[@paulwood6729]

It might've been his last laps in F1, let him have a last bit of fun.

[@steph8408]

Absolutely perfectly said Marc. Cheers Stephen

[@F1Elvis]

Thanks Stephen

[@avrelivs_z]

They should not award a point for a fastest lap, simple as

[@F1Elvis]

I ageee

[@adrianpollard2763]

Didn't award Daniel Ricciardo a point for fastest lap. A driver has to be in the top 10 to get the point, but because his laptime was faster than that of Norris, McLaren don't get the point. It's happened multiple times before with Lewis Hamilton doing exactly the same thing, and nobody called foul then.

[@AlecM521]

Award the point you mean?!

[@Tzuau78]

If it was a point for fastest lap… teams outside the points would just do it every round… unless the leaders have a big enough gap. Making it irrelevant or not indicative of performance. Scrapping the point is better than just letting anyone get it.

[@jondonnelly3]

​@@adrianpollard2763they did actually, it's just not happened in a while so people forget.

[@pierremartin9048]

I sincerely hope he finds his way into the larger world of F1……Andretti would be cool in a Paddock role as you state

[@alexdnistransky4597]

Why hasn’t anyone mentioned that it may have been a slap back at McLaren from Daniel for the firing. I’m surprised more team radio hasn’t been released unless it’s being saved for drive to survive.

[@KennethAllen-f4y]

Daniel is without a doubt a class act. I've followed him for years and to see him leave F1 like he did is sad and disrespectful on the part of Red Bull/RB. Ok, it's great to see young talent like Lawson get the chance to join the ranks but 2025 would have been soon enough. I hope Daniel finds a way to stay involved in F1. He would be a great asset to Skye as an on-air personality or as an ambassador for Red Bull (they owe him that much). The fastest lap was great to see. He and Max are good friends, so he did a favor for his friend and added a great note to his record.

[@proesterchen]

@@KennethAllen-f4y How do Red Bull owe Daniel anything? They took him in when he was clearly shot, and kept him racing Formula 1 cars when his last team payed him millions to stay home.

[@wooloongabba]

Daniel hadnt beaten a team mate for a few years , his time was up .

[@haribo836]

How is taking him back on when nobody wanted him disrespectful? He turned his back to Red Bull, had some bad years, was ousted from his contract with McLaren and not only did Red Bull take him back, but they put him in a race seat at the first opportunity just 6 months later. If anything Ricciardo owes Red Bull, not the other way around.

[@deadliaski]

such a class act he abandoned Renault when they organised the team around him! He ran at every opportunity and it's a farce everyone wants to accord him some special status because he walks around the paddock grinning like he's in a gurning competition. Long over stayed his welcome and long needed a boot. And let's not forget this year was all about getting rid of Checco after all he has done for RB and Max

[@jameshayden441]

Interesting but there’s also the point why should Dan not be allowed to finish with fastest lap so how can they say he’s not allowed because he’s racing in a different team different results end season points tally I think Zak needs another team to match redbull simply lol

[@colofsco1]

Lando fantastic result great drive, Max more than he could of expected brilliant come back. "Again Checo very disappointing." 😂😂

[@snoopydogg1]

Excellent video and summed up very well Marc as always.... Loved the Tarraaah at the end lol.... Been hanging around Mike B too much 😂😂😂😂

[@F1Elvis]

Thanks 👍

[@snoopydogg1]

@@F1Elvis Marc could you do a proper geeks version / good review of the i.c.e difficulties the engineers are facing with the 2026 switch to 100% Biofuel / sustainable fuel ⛽... And costs per litre etc. How will that effect the great thermal efficiency of the i.c.e etc..... 🙏🙏

[@pierremartin9048]

Good stuff; thx for the great content.

[@F1Elvis]

Thanks for watching!

[@wiggly71]

I always thought that teams were ment to be independent not be able to get on the radio and tell another team/driver to put on softs and take fastest lap so it benefits there driver. Then blatantly get on the radio and admit to doing it.

[@erikvermolen8371]

well there is zero evidence they got on the radio and gave the order. It's just all assumptions.....

[@glennwoods2462]

Last round of the GB3 Championship this weekend at Brand's Hatch will be very exciting... Louis Sharp (NZ) has a 33 point lead...he won F4 last year... Lando and George have won one each, but Louis will be first to win both if he can do it.... Louis Sharp 🇳🇿 another young up and coming driver.... he's already been to Mercedes and McLaren, and if he wins the BRDC prize in January, there's a test with Aston Martin... Very exciting 👍👍

[@archielundy3131]

I hope the contract situation at Red Bull will allow Ricciardo to run the season finale and go out in style. My worry in Ricciardo going to another series like Indycar or NASCAR, is that his performance level has clearly diminished. Having said that I am keen to see him give it a go.

[@mrcolmun]

the fastest lap scenario needs changing otherwise RB can do the same at every race which really isn't the point (no pun!). I always liked points awarded for quality as an idea too...

[@SuperPassionflower]

excellent podcast and perspectives because there are many perspectives.

[@penusliski]

@Elwis I finally managed to watch all your Wheeler Dealers seasons and I can only give you the highest mark. I honestly thought Edd could never be topped but somehow you did it imo

[@ssssssss6889]

Thing is that this one point needs to be awarded each time. If needed the wording of rule has to be reviewed in that aspect. That is as simple as this.

[@gerardcrabb4556]

They also gave him fastest race lap record he should be reserve if they do trial Lawson in RB Visa...

[@testwill23.]

I was like where the hell have I heard that voice from... Then I look at the channel name. He's my race engineer

[@michaeldowling8459]

First sensible conversation on Ricciardo, right here. Danny has had lots of chances, and there will be millions of column inches written about his career in the next few years. The hits and big misses. If Danny can pull out a fastest lap WTF in terms of the race. That is the big deal. Not whether he did it. We do not need another fastest-lap rule. I always remember Alan Jones the last Australian F1 World Champion. He was testing his Williams and came in from a few laps and said to his race engineer and Frank Williams once he stopped and while still sitting in the car words to the effect "it is driving well but the ride is quite bumpy" and Frank said without missing a beat "I suggest you sit on your wallet, Alan". Danny's wallet should provide a comfortable solution. Not the only reason one is in the sport and not a bad consolation prize. And this sport has produced incredible ups and downs for a wide variety of participants. Arguably a man confined to a wheelchair thought another mans observation of a bumpy ride not high on the priority list. Jones went on to be Williams first World Champion. The highs and lows are F1 and you get on with it. Love the channel and the commentary Marc.

[@user-cv8ud8qo9f]

This is the only unbiased and fact based F1 channel on KZbin ... and so it's in pole position in my view!

[@leecox7814]

Daniel was sending a message to RBR that he can still swing punches. If it disadvantages McLaren, well someone is always gonna lose. Been a fan of DR3 since Torro Rosso and this was a crappy way to go out, if out it is.

[@alfamaize]

There are rules against teams collaborating, right? Can sell specific parts, but can’t share designs and concepts. Seems like the fastest lap are two separate teams collaborating. If it were Perez in last place doing FTD, that would be one team, which is more like a single team finding a loophole in the rules.

[@haribo836]

No matter how much I like Ricciardo, since he left Red Bull, he hasn't shown anything close to what he did at Red Bull. Beating Vettel, being the closest to Max as every teammate has been was followed up by appalling stints at Renault and McLaren. Red Bull literally saved his career by taking him back and only half a year later give him a race seat but sadly he never came close to his previous form. F1 is a harsh business and if you don't perform as expected, there's no place for you, no matter how big your smile or your marketing value is. What nobody can take away from him though is his status as a legend among F1 fans and he should be proud of that and what he achieved in F1. He will be missed.

[@jondonnelly3]

Far worse drivers are racing in F1.

[@stig2795]

I would amend this slightly; if you don't perform and your father doesn't own the team, there is no place for you.

[@Tzuau78]

@@haribo836 he still beat both Ocon and Hulkenberg at Renault, just saying

[@Chris-sf2cp]

Are you high? He was amazing at Renault got podiums when he had no right in that car 🤡🤡

[@tonycarapetis7485]

​@@Chris-sf2cpagreed, and 5th in the 2020 drivers championship. Way above expectations.

[@cornishcactus]

Did Lando make a mistake giving Max clear air? Would the better play be to back him up a little, kill his tyres, let the others get close and give Oscar a chance to get past too. If Max pitted he'd be in the pack and Lando could use his pace to go long, maintain a gap and have fresher tyres at the end. In terms of teams helping each other, I think Mercedes should swap to a "if not us then not Redbull" mindset and do what they can for their engine customer.

[@darensmith2033]

That's a really interesting point. You could be right, but it would be a ballsy move and i think McLaren are pretty well risk averse at this point.

[@garyspeed8961]

You will never leave us DANNY!

[@aoife1122]

Haas may not be "owned" by Ferrari but you can bet your bottom dollar that they did not pull the very same stunt two laps earlier just for Kevin Magnussen's glory. (He got his fastest lap deleted for track limit violation)

[@forestranger312]

Definitely should be the first ten places allowed to take the extra point. Back markers shouldn’t be allowed to block the point. It was a calculated decision by Horner to do that, sacrificing a drivers race to stop someone else getting the point. You can’t score a point outside top ten so there was nothing to gain by the fastest lap so it’s obvious why he was told to do it. Yes it’s in the rules but championships can be won and lost by one point do the rules are wrong and favour big teams with money and power. Teams like Williams can’t use that to gain advantage so the rule in unfair and biased towards the top four, as usual.

[@misiopuchatek152]

When you will decide who can't take that one extra point? 10th race? 15th? 20th? 1st? You can't forbid anyone to drive fast. You can't forbid anyone to change the tires for the last two laps. It wasn't against any rules. Car was fast enough to get that fastest lap. End of story. Everyone could get that fastest lap.

[@chriscollins550]

​@@misiopuchatek152 blind to what happened, it's not the point that anyone can do it, because no one outside the top ten would bother unless it was to help their direct team mate, this was I done by Horner to help max, no other reason and that makes it like match fixing in football,

[@misiopuchatek152]

@@chriscollins550 I just asked when you can't do that. Is Verstappen forbidden to do that on race 1 when he is at 12 and Norris in behind him? What if Colapinto did that? You can't make rules that sometimes are ok and sometimes are not. There is rule that fastest lap outside top 10 gives no point. Not the first time this season it happened. Why whining?!

[@chriscollins550]

@@misiopuchatek152 because it's not from another team to another team telling them what to do, it's like match fixing in football.

[@misiopuchatek152]

​@@chriscollins550 show me the rule which prohibits this. You have direct team orders during race and you are telling about match fixing? So right now, according to you, Red Bull drivers from 11th and lower are forbidden to get fastest lap no matter what cause it will be just race fixing. And if it will be another driver then maybe he will like Verstappen more than Norris so it will be as well fixing. Gotcha. Wonderful logic. Everything is done as the rules say. You are whining. Norris lost 7 points when he had to switch places with Piastri. Don't look for conspiracy theories if the team itself don't care bout points.

[@kevspencer5744]

No its not controversial as any driver has a right to go after the fastest lap should they wish to. More power to him.

[@964cuplove]

Go watch kam illmans vid on ricciardos sendoff - it was sad and cool at the same time, last guy to leave pretty much alone, on a Not eben outspoken last F1 weekend. I want to see Ricciardo Racing beating Red Bull he needs to stay or return somehow….

[@NeilMicklethwaite1812]

Shoddy treatment of Daniel by RB / AT - he deserves a better send off if it truly was his last race!

[@proesterchen]

@@NeilMicklethwaite1812 Daniel had 3 1/2 extra years in Formula 1 beyond his best by date.

[@ReaperThugX]

He hasn’t been good since he left Red Bull

[@DebbiSmithDC]

@@ReaperThugXAnd he shot himself in the foot by leaving.

[@ReaperThugX]

@@DebbiSmithDC Right. He left for a paycheck. There’s no way he thought Renault would be anywhere as competitive as RB. You could also argue that being in a top tier car at RB could give a false positive of his true skill.

[@davidbrown8517]

F1 is not a charity. Ricciardo is getting huge amounts of money and is not performing.

[@Chaddyfold]

There was nothing in the regulations about Flavio ordering Nelson Piquet's Jr to crash at a certain point in the race to gain an advantage for his teammate. But they added general clauses to capture unsportsmanlike behaviour instead of writing specific rules about everything. It is crazy that 1 owner can have 2 teams... There are very specific rules in literally every other league in the world, so it's odd that there isn't one in F1. So many conflicts of interest - perceived or real could be ironed out in 1 small rule change. Didi is no longer with us, RB3 and the drinks company are fighting each other... The concord agreement is seemingly at an impasse for anyone wanting to join - Liberty won't even let them get that far... So make RB sell one of the teams.

[@mattpotter8725]

The difference between McLaren finding a loophole in the regs, Red Bull having done so earlier in the season, allegedly, is that I'm sure there is to be a rule that the fastest lap point had to come from a scoring driver, presumably because points are important to teams lower down the grid. I know this could be abused, and I think was by Max he was trying to win his first title by pitting from second with a 25+ second gap to the 3rd place driver and taking this crucial point, but on the whole it didn't happen, or at least not very often,, and someone at the back of the grid couldn't do this, so I don't see this as innovative at all, it has been done before. Hopefully it won't matter when all is said done at the end of the season, and hopefully was just a farewell gift to Danny for all his hard work over the years, but it still leaves a sour taste in the mouth. I don't think the sister team argument makes much difference, an engine supplier team could potentially do the same and you can look at this in this light I don't think this is the case here, there's still a way to go in the Championship.

[@matthewharris3898]

What is very infrequently spoken about, are the internal politics and machinations within Red Bull itself, and how that affects their driver decisions. Is Checo still in because of performance? Performance is one aspect, the other is money, sponsorship and the current power struggle within Red Bull. If Lawson IS coming in for the next six races, is that to prepare him for a VCARB seat next year, or is it to prepare him to take Checo's seat? Red Bull are still aware of putting an under prepared, young fast driver in the big seat. Daniel would still be a better option to replace Checo than Liam Lawson, who still needs time to get used to F1 cars and system. But, Checo brings a LOT of money. He costs them a LOT too, with damage and performance so Red Bull have lost the constructors championship. So then, it becomes about the internal politics. Christian loves Daniel, but does he have the power to keep him? Does Helmut and Jos Verstappen have the power to thwart Christian and get in a rookie, even if it will cost them with damage and pressure?

[@geniferteal4178]

Remember when they kicked him out to take piastri? It wasn't just for max. 😊

[@katv1195]

Daniel Ricciardo had the joy of giving McLaren, the team that destroyed him, a giant raspberry while having one last hoon in an F1 car. Any advantage to Verstappen is incidental. I took Ricciardo's "I hope Max wins by one point" comment to Sky Sports to be baiting them. The unprofessional Sky Scum have spent so much time character assassinating anyone who isn't their favourites that they deserve every slapdown they get. It's got so bad that I'm now cheering for Piastri, LeClerc and Sainz to steal every point they can from Norris just to watch the Sky Scum cry

[@midas7394]

Mark: Surely you realized that Max was pacing himself, until the last 5 laps of the race, to provide the team with essential data on their upgrades performance & reliability. Then, over the last 5 laps, Max easily closed the gap to Lando by 9 seconds while he increased the gap to Oscar by 2 seconds without pushing the car's limits.

[@albrechtjohnj]

A question I keep asking myself is, what happened to DR3's mojo? As a big fan, I'll be sad to see him leave the sport.

[@glennwoods2462]

Some say Horner is going to give Danny Ric a final drive in the last race of the year, in Perez's car....🤔 I was cheering Lando all the way... As far as I can tell, Daniel was asked to do the flying lap to ensure max can't be beaten now 🤔

[@S1eeperServ1ce]

Denny Hamlin races against the NASCAR team that he owns. No controversy. I hope Riccardo goes to NASCAR. Long term , because it won’t be easy. He would bring further colour to a vibrant, kinetic Motor Sport.

[@panteleimontsougias7678]

He is leaving the same way he came.....(De Vries!)

[@johncnorris]

If this is the end of F1 for DR, I hope he gets over his fear of IndyCar ovals and does a few tests. He would tear up the US market and probably win a few races.

[@robertdavies9594]

Has Daniel already been told what is happening, but has been asked to wait for the "official" release from R/B? Rules are there to be exploited and taken to the max, BUT, if a driver is outside point scoring positions, should they be awarded fastest lap? What if that driver is already in with a chance of the WDC, but for some reason fell back during the race!! It's always good to see new talent coming through. For me as a fan from the late 60's, early 70's, i don't see the same sort of personalities as in the past. Maybe it's time for me to "retire" from F1? 🤔😉

[@jackbird6325]

If lando had such a performance delta why didnt he just hold 1 second in front of max so hes in dirty air. Could have given a chance for piastri to nick P2?

[@F1Elvis]

Because it puts Lando at risk if there's a SC or he gets a puncture for example.

[@jackbird6325]

@@F1Elvis true, knowing RB they'd ask for daniel to 'breakdown' on the track 😂

[@azmidlyf]

To me, it shows a bit of desperation by Red Bull, but the ends justify the means, right? When the means are within the rules of the competition, of course.

[@sylance777]

I'm thinking Red Bull want to see Lawson in a seat so they can pressure Checo to improve or remove him between seasons.

[@sgsuper1150]

im surprised all the slower teams dont go for fastest lap every race. The issue is having cars with different engine modes and battery deployment is being used to slow them down over multiple laps to go faster on just one. Thats not racing

[@Scuffed_Andy]

I'm a Daniel fan but giving him driver of the day for coming last was ridiculous. Personally I voted for Hulkenberg for legally and ethically keeping Perez behind him the whole time.

[@rs660alec]

The sister team rule needs to be looked at. When Red Bull is in title fight toro roso some how is always causing problems for the contender

[@ctdesing]

Is taking the fastest lap causing problem? 🤣

[@Jeff-gn1xz]

I have no problem with Danny Ric, or his fastest lap. I certainly don't want yet more cumbersome regulations in a sport that, in my opinion at least, is way over regulated as it is. Like the latest, spur-of-the-moment crack-down on swearing. Every driver had the opportunity to set the fastest lap - Lando *could* have pitted for tyres and still been in the lead, but didn't. Red Bull haven't treated DR well on this occasion - I understand political in-fighting may be responsible for that - but if it wasn't for RB, Danny wouldn't have been driving at all this year.

[@richardoliver9054]

Gee, you’re struggling for a headline!!!! It was fantastic to hear that DR got the fastest lap 👏🏻

[@ryanking4566]

having a mini Drs isnt penalised yet they penalised mercedes for 0.02mm extra drs gap is very sus. they dont hold everyone to an equal standard

[@mikewallace1723]

Why? One is measurable and a fail, in Mercedes case. Other passes the tests, but is against the spirit of the rules. You can’t penalise for something that passes the tests as laid out in the rules.

[@Reevesi]

Daniel is one of the most liked and respected F1 driver we've ever had. He deserved a better send off than this. Totally disrespectful.

[@haribo836]

As disrespectful as taking him on as a reserve driver after he was ousted from McLaren with one year left on his contract and no team willing to take him? As disrespectful to get him in a racing seat only 6 months later? As disrespectful to keep him on for 2024 although his standin (Lawson) performed better in the races he was given? I like Daniel but his performance since he left Red Bull has been below expectation consistently, nothing disrespectful about booting an underperforming driver.

[@Reevesi]

@@haribo836 I agree that DR is past his prime, but he definitely deserved clarity on his position and a decent send off if it was his last race.

[@haribo836]

@@Reevesi I think internally there was clarity about his position. For us as fans though I agree. Would love to see him arrive at COTA on horseback with the cowboy hat, silly moustache and fake American accent, that would be a good farewell Danny.

[@Reevesi]

@@haribo836 👍

[@davidkeenan5989]

Enjoy listening to your thoughts!

[@F1Elvis]

I appreciate that!

[@paperplane-db8qf]

It wouldn’t be controversial if McLaren backed Lando and the entire world didn’t make such a big fuss about McLaren thinking about backing Lando. All these clowns said “Lando does not deserve a WDC if he has team orders” and look at Max getting help from Perez, VCarb, and even Piastri and McLaren.

[@CraigOverend]

They should award a point for most overtakes.

[@Milkydrummer]

Elvis… who’s your pick for the championship?!

[@F1Elvis]

Max

[@LHSlash]

They should just give the 1 point for the fastest lap in the top 10 - even if that isn't the fastest overall. It would prevent these types of situations

[@micky6j]

Fans have complained about red bull owning two teams since the start and the FIA will never force them to sell and red bull won't sell unless they are forced to, so now red bull are the only the team that has or can have two teams its been unfair since the start alot of fans spoke up at the time but the FIA has never cared what the fans want when money is on the table. in short doesn't matter if its fair or not it's never going to change now.

[@SennaF1]

What Daniel Ricardo did was not controversial. Remember the days of the Ferrari-powered Sauber team? Ferrari called on them to let a Ferrari pass quickly or hold up a rival. Remember Renault supplying the full-blown works engine to the Ligier F1 team at the French Grand Prix each year? The extra power meant Ligier could qualify on the second row of the grid behind the Williams Renaults. The one point for the fastest lap could be worth millions in the constructors championship, especially now with the constructor championship so tight.

[@Mrcento]

Even as a McLaren fan, no. Seems pretty clear AT/RB don't really want him to go but it's getting forced on them by the RBR contractual situation, it's just a team giving a popular member something to sign off (probably their F1 career) with on an otherwise disappointing weekend. McLaren have no place at all to moan about 1 point when they willingly handed 7 away from Lando to Oscar. If that fastest lap point ends up being crucial, it's only McLarens decision in Hungary that ended up making it so.

[@JasonSmith-dw3vp]

please tell me you didn't fake the background?

[@F1Elvis]

Haha, no.

[@Coen80]

NO. McLaren's flexiwings and the FIA not acting is controversial. When RB had them a TD changed it right away. Way back with Vettel also. Even more recently with MB stiff had to change mid season. Just for god's sake let Max win the WDC. Otherwise it'll be a another massive L from the FIA that interfered to get the results they desire. The fastest lap is not controversial. Why? Because Stella did some cry-cry-boohoohoo? F that. Let's hope RB and Fezza and MB come rocking up to COTA with their own freshly developed flexi wings.

[@Coen80]

Also : I can see Danny staying as a reserve driver. He's in any case good enough to sub in case something happens with one of the four drivers. Also #2 : I think it's clear that the cars went away from Danny and he wasn't able to adapt to these new cars (and tyres) I bet he'll have great fun in Aussie super V8's or something like that 😊😊

[@hanshoogendyk2203]

In racing circles you are only cheating if you get caught, and i have have seen briliant cheats by briliant engineers 😂

[@huwgrossmith9555]

Sure he had good tyres, still had to have the talent to clock the fastest time.

[@F1Elvis]

Absolutely

[@Dlweta57]

Looking forward to seeing Lawson's arse finally in a seat and Richiardo now having more time to promote he labeled wine , I here its really really good..

[@luciferdeville]

the only people calling it controversial are Sack Brown and fanboys of McLaren/Norris. I think Piastris win in Hungary is 7x more controversial.

[@brettwalden6343]

Its a shame the way Red Bull have handled the Ricciardo thing. Just leaving a bloke hanging like that is a bit piss poor. But it seems that the once almighty Red Bull team is in all sorts of management turmoil themselves so we must expect this I guess.

[@pgale]

It was different when sport was on its knees and teams were going under every other week and RedBull saves RB

[@janetock5728]

Daniel Ricardo’s history he started with Alfa Tauri promoted to Red Bull shared a reasonable season with Max but didn’t like being second fiddle … he left and went to Renault … he didn’t like it there … lucky to get a ride at McLaren but showed no promised and lost his seat … There was a potential position at Red Bull querying Checo’s ability … Horner made a move to bring Riccardio back to RB now Visa testing his skills for a possible move to take Checos ride… he proved that he was not good enough in the first instance but Horner kept him there… he broke his hand when crashing his car… Liam Lawson filled his place with creditability… Riccardio returns with the same old performance whilst Yuki out performed him … now he has lost his seat again and people like David Croft and Sky pundits think he is hard do by… The plain simple fact he has lost his edge he was always second rate … give someone else a turn that will show more promising results … Riccardio is better at playing the court jester …

[@proesterchen]

@@janetock5728 Actually, Danny started his first F1 races at HRT.

[@janetock5728]

@@proesterchen He may well have nevertheless the history is what it is… he won 8 F1GP at Red Bull he should have stayed there if he thought he was so good … but no.. he was in the shadow and the rest is history … Daniel has a history of being a nice guy and the court jester which he is good at … Even if he had a comeback his F1 career is over … he can’t beat Yuki he will never beat Max …

[@northernsnapper]

If Daniel is kept on as as reserve driver till the end of the season, I can see him getting a chance if Perez does not perform better..

[@j0hnn13K]

What annoys me most is that Daniel gets punished for bad performances, which in (large) part caused by VCARB themselves, giving him often quite terrible strategies and prioritizing Yuki (i love Yuki btw). I'm not saying he would've lit the track on fire if they had actually giving him what he needed, but i am convinced he would have done a lot better and not be part of the discussion for replacement of a driver, Daniel has what it takes but can only do so much given the poor strategies he's been given over the races prior.

[@proesterchen]

@@j0hnn13K Daniel didn't perform at McLaren. Daniel didn't perform at Toro Rosso. That is all.

[@j0hnn13K]

@@proesterchen you forgot Renault, oh wait when they got their sh*t together, he actually delivered, at McLaren it was the same problem as at VCARB now, you still see stupid strategy mistakes at McLaren. I'm not saying he is WC material, however, i am saying Daniel is far better than the results show, F1 is a team sport, not a solo sport.

[@proesterchen]

@@j0hnn13K Daniel.last raced for Renault 3 years and 9 months ago.

[@j0hnn13K]

@@proesterchen yes, that does not matter, i am talking about how the strategies often ruined races for him in all those teams. You cannot ignore that being a factor that influences his motivation. Sure, it might well be time for him to call F1 quits and find a new race class to enjoy, but it does not take away from the fact that he is a good driver.

[@proesterchen]

@@j0hnn13K Not good enough to entice Rad Bull into having him in their B team. Nor McLaren having him at all.

[@hanshoogendyk2203]

When you give give your best possible performance kn your last day, where has that been for the last year? They are supposed to be performing at their best performance every time they race, thats why you get paid the big bucks

[@billbaggins1688]

RB having 2 teams is obviously unfair. This proves it.

[@rensvanderploeg1945]

Sorry, I can only agree with you.

[@F1Elvis]

No need to apologise...😂

[@PeteLeuenberger]

What I don't understand about Ricciardo's fastest lap is why more teams that are placed 11th and beyond don't go for it either ?! They all say a point is super valuable, and position beyond 10 do not matter (which is quite boring to be honest). So why don't all teams try to get this point at the end of a GP ?

[@F1Elvis]

The point's only awarded if you're inside the top 10

[@Ronny999x]

Shame Mexican Sponsorship money is keeping that Red Bull seat taken by Perez 😴 Ricciardo should have gotten the opportunity.

[@johnleven8907]

Ronny, a friend told me 99% of humanity is extremely dumb. I told him I didn't agree. But you helped me see he was completely right.

[@peterhelm6003]

Like as if Ricciardo was going to quietly disappear. He departed with a message. Fast to the very last. The loss to Formula 1 is the departure of it's greatest personality. Ricciardo brought in millions of viewers.

[@davepayne164]

😂🤷‍♂️

[@ScottPriestley]

C'mon man! You know Danny is one of Aunt Mathilda's favorite drivers!!! Christmas is coming, don't get on Aunt Mathilda's bad side or you'll get nothing but coal!!

[@havennewbowtow8835]

Red Bull when the pressure comes on, questionable sportsmanship at best.

[@no1washerezz]

well, lets see it from this perspective. do you think RB would have allowed ricciardo to pit for the fastest lap if verstappen was currently holding it? probably not.

[@F1Elvis]

Of course not?

[@hamdanali2036]

here’s what i don’t get. he probs used full energy deployment, and it was the end of the race so he was nearly at quali fuel load. engine modes are fixed. fresh tyres. why is it still MUCH slower than an actual quali lap?