F86 Saber - 2 Rolling Techniques - War Thunder

We look at simple techniques in the f86 saber. on how we can overshoot enemies and get guns on them

[@doch.8039]

*laughs in La-15* The rollrate on the La-15 is insane, I’ve been using it to surprise unsuspecting Sabres to get some good kills. Happy New Year, keep up the great work!

[@jar-jarnotbinks7685]

The first "rolling technique" you shows is indeed great to bleed speed and cause overshoot (while keeping the plane moving and rolling around throwing the enemy aim's off). But if you want to do defensive flying while being energy conservative, it sucks, and as such, the other technique (the one you think is "worse" according to you) is more powerful when energy retention is what you want. In reality, what you want isn't to use one or the other exclusively, but both depending the circonstances and situation. But since the F86 is overpowered by a lot of planes now, energy retention isn't always what you want, indeed, and taking advantage of it's roll rate is one of the only weapon you have left.

[@GreenFuryGaming]

i like your input, its a good way of seeing things

[@Asghaad]

@@GreenFuryGaming he is too polite ... you "technique" is EASIER to do than flying by keyboard and its sucks at anything but forcing overshoots ... you cant STOP losing energy because you are always pulling ... meanwhile keyboard control is HARD to learn but allows pilot to do exactly the same thing as you do AND also use energy fighting and disengage maneuvers, you just have to learn to disconnect the movement you want from the view you are getting ... if you really want to use speed throttle and airbrake are there for you ...

[@justinsane332]

@@Asghaad nah, your wrong, they handle different and work in different situations.

[@Agent-ic1pe]

Hey Green, since I use my camera so much, I have it bound to the right-click button instead of the C key. When I'm on the deck around 0.7 or 0.8 km in front of the enemy, and with more energy, I use the right click camera view to dodge their bullets. It's usually far from a hopeless situation because we're going low and fast, which favors my plane (usually in a P-51). But when I need to do extended defensive maneuvers, I use your technique. However, the two techniques do not actually have any difference in the performance of the plane: it is just easier to use yours for long maneuvers because you do not need to worry about keeping your hand on the C (or right click) key, so you can move your cursor and left hand much faster. And since your hands are more responsive, it feels like the plane is more responsive.

[@pippplays83]

Hey Green (or Fury, or however i should call you) im planning to do a Warthunder tutorial series in german (called kleines Flieger Einmaleins) where i try to teach basics of air fighting and some more advanced stuff. Am i allowed to show and explain your tactics im my (Future) Videos? Happy new year, keep up the good work, also in 2019 ^^

[@GreenFuryGaming]

i will support you, i will promote your video, because your giving back something to everyone who plays war thunder

[@Skeptation]

I bound free look to one of the side mouse buttons on my mouse instead of c. Much easier to use compared to c free look or the throw mouse back when turning method imo.

[@Cafeinoso]

i learned this technique by myself and seeing a great pilot like you using it makes me feel a nice pilot too ^^ lov ur vids

[@NotAgentAJ]

i have always used the old technique but i will have to try this technique out! thanks for the video, i always learn a lot watching them

[@siddhanttambe4066]

If u don't use C key to look around u will loose a lot of energy then if you used it....

[@GreenFuryGaming]

for sure, it does, but for me, it gives me the chance to evade the guns so much easier. i came to this conclusion because the other way, gets me shot up lol. have u tried flicking the mouse back and flying?

[@maxsuarezmuller7186]

When looking around it is best to use the 'c' key, while defensive flying, the mouse flicking works really nice, Thanks greenfury!

[@siddhanttambe4066]

@@GreenFuryGaming I think I would love to keep energy and plus I can evade it

[@georgegeorge9361]

@@siddhanttambe4066 it's much harder to fly when you are holding something down on your keyboard Plus when you are defensive flying you want to lose some of the energy

[@arelicastrejon4203]

Would you be willing to make a video of how to use the mouse flick? I have no idea how to do that, and I do the WASD method that you say is slightly inefficient.

[@Kay_213_]

The reason I no longer flip my cursor back is because the plane is always going full pull towards the cursor, which limits what you can do It works but I’d rather have fine control

[@R3tr0V3rt1g0]

Rebound free look to space (rarely drop bombs) then you can keyboard fly your plane and have free look whenever you want without having to do keyboard gymnastics. In the middle of a fight, if you are fighting your view and your opponent you will be distracted and not focused on flying.

[@derinmavi9946]

I didn't understand the first technique then I did something similar. I binded "Look behind" to X button and the mouse became joystick. When I try to apply what you do, all I have is an aircraft trying sharp turns with an extreme G.

[@henrycastle6584]

I do the same thing when I have someone in my tail, sadly my friends prefer to just fly up and down in panic when they have someone behind them, I hope this video will convince them to leave that awful habit behind.

[@felixkraus2977]

For me the first technique works out best because I have a better view in what the enemy is doing

[@GreenFuryGaming]

thats awesome, im going to try and become good at the 1st one later on this year

[@chad7431]

I didnt understand at all, what do you mean flick mouse back? Arent you holdong C key and using WASD to control the plane???

[@jercki72]

I use the C key a lot... especially when my enemy is faster and I am trying to equalize the speeds, at first I just use slight rolls to "lure them closer" xD. They will just overshoot naturally, or break off or whatever. I would only use what you described if I wanted to get on someone's tail and he was slower, but usually I don't need to do that

[@LoganGreenway]

I play console and using the touch pad and pitch buttons and roll button to perform these manoeuvres. I will be making a set up tutorial soon

[@bds_gaming2091]

oooh interesting, I never tried that. I always used the c key to defensive fly looking behind me. Do you use that same technique in props also? The roll and move mouse to look behind?

[@bruhhhhmoment4848]

It worked amazing for me I tried it at a low altitude. I made the guy overshoot and crash

[@perferre1]

Green... Using the c technique is much better for maintaining speed. I use it when I have more then one attacker on my six... I find slight twitches and smart manuvers work best when 2-3 people are on you. In jets you don't want to waste speed. And the second technique is used in props allot more often or when it's just one enemy on you in jets. Because of the constant movement you lose much more speed. So I guess situationally you may want to loose more speed against some opponents. But remember the golden rule of jets is always to op for the higher energy option and just extend away if possible.

[@perferre1]

Also. I think everyone that has up to jets has figured out by now how to defensive fly with the mouse looking back... But still I wonder about those with the controller. I have a feeling that looking back with the control stick is the only way to defensive for them

[@Agent-ic1pe]

Hey, are you ThePurpleDeath?

[@Agent-ic1pe]

You are! What's up

[@perferre1]

@@Agent-ic1pe not much man lol and ye. It's me. You still in =NmY=?

[@andre232323]

I didnt understand the first "rolling technique. Plz help me. Look what I am doing and correct me plz. 1- I am holding C to look backwards. 2- I start rolling my jet pressing and holding A or D. 3- I am flickering my mouse or moving my mouse everywhere and the camera just moves around. The plane is still just going straight and rotating. Please Help! I noticed that when I look backwards I get no mouse pointer at all like your red circle thing. I am using Mouse Aim option

[@jacobblair6181]

I fly with my keyboard 90% of the time anyway and the only time i use the mouse is for more precise things like aiming, landing and so on and also i dont use c key to look around i use another button on my mouse that isnt bound to anything so i personaly dont find a problem the free look method i actually find it better rather than needing to put my mouse behind my plane and keep it there while fighting.. but thats just my opinion so by all means do whatever works for you XD

[@realismedits]

how is there fire coming out that sabre

[@jacob2790]

Mouse flick ftw...girls love it.

[@IAmSlayer_YT]

Do you use the boosters on your F-2? I find that using them my plane will respond less and the plane is much more susceptible to ripping.

[@Pim2407]

Hey there, im a PS4 player myself using a controller and keyboard, u can do this with the controller alone and its way easier then what you have to do. All i got to do is select the target and i can then lock my cursur on it with hitting one button on my controller, i got the roll and pitch controlls on my controller as well and start using that when my cursur is locked on the person behind me and just start rolling and dodging. Great video btw!

[@BARelement]

Pim Theunissen Same. I said this :D LMAO. Other PS4 players later shocked me after a while of me figuring it out... I WAS LIKE “WOW!”

[@Pim2407]

Dub Dots lol ikr

[@lukv95]

@@Pim2407 you can also take your ps4 account and play on pc :D

[@BARelement]

Pim Theunissen YES!

[@rhettdepol4629]

You are too good

[@BARelement]

I am a console player, defensive fly, and don’t have or need a keyboard. Edit: however gaijin screwed over negative G maneuvers and now when you Neg G you can’t roll (atleast for me) good job gaijoob :). Edit: My negative G maneuvers are fixed :).

[@teariom456]

Dub Dots what button do u use to do negative g?

[@drivinmiatas5068]

as a console player i use ur strat

[@jerryvanderkraan9258]

Nice vid again fury. I use the same technique as u when someone is on my 6. And im playing ps4 account logged in on my desktop so no limits in movement 4 me lol

[@GreenFuryGaming]

thats very good to hear.

[@jerryvanderkraan9258]

And free look on right mouse button, maker the 1st technique way easier then holding default "c" key

[@bilge677]

a spaded f2 sabre does everything better than the mig15, let alone the mig17

[@clutchsharp2343]

WASD bleeds less speed

[@humerazia]

The greatest enemy to Sabres is the mig17as

[@maryamkaita2529]

And pf fresco?

[@skittlesbutwithchocolatein2274]

50s tickle

[@KaPapoop]

i thought this is what everyone did wtf

[@kevinmcallister2707]

I yous a keyboard and mouse on Xbox

[@ChrisDesi]

I thought this was common knowledge.

[@GreenFuryGaming]

me too, it was to me at least. since starting to play jets again, i noticed people just spam the wsad keys over and over, there was no method.

[@Agent-ic1pe]

@@GreenFuryGaming that's actually a habit that most of us pick up in Arcade, before we come over to RB. In Arcade, with the more responsive rudder and better energy retention, randomly jinking is actually a pretty viable tactic. But a lot of people don't realize how much energy they're bleeding in RB.