FA-18C Hornet: Spin Recovery Tutorial | DCS WORLD

[@MattWagner]

The anti-spin switch is was only applicable to early Hornets. Later OFP's FCS eliminated the need for it. In fact, use of the switch is prohibited in the NATOPS.

[@HPTOperator]

Matt’s right. The only reason the switch is still there is so maintenance crews can position the leading edge flaps full down and remove panels.

[@wiwihfirman8499]

I've just found out about it, thanks Matt

[@matuliik]

I am still amazed by Grim Reapers "tutorials" about topics they (him?) know NOTHING about.

[@grimreapers]

Roger Thanks

[@Proximax9]

@@matuliik lol I know! but that's the reason I really like them, as I often learn useful trouble shooting techniques watching cap making mistakes :D:D

[@D0pam1n]

For what it's worth, and I don't know in how far this is modeled in the game, this is from the Sept. 2008 version of the NATOPS Flight Manual A1-F18AC-NFM-000 about the system, the switch and the hints on the DDIs (minus the pictures). Seems like the switch only lowers the number of conditions to be met for the mode to kick in and keeps the plane there until speed increases: "2.8.2.6 Spin Recovery System. The spin recovery system, when engaged, puts the flight controls in a spin recovery mode (SRM). This mode, unlike CAS [control augmentation system], gives the pilot full aileron, rudder and stabilator authority without any control surface interconnects and all rate and acceleration feedbacks are removed. The leading edge flaps are driven to 33° ±1° down and the trailing edge flaps are driven to 0° ±1°. Spin recovery system engagement depends on the position of the spin recovery switch. 2.8.2.6.1 Spin Recovery Switch and Light. The spin recovery switch on the map gain/spin recovery panel allows the pilot to select the conditions required for the flight controls to engage in the spin recovery mode. The SPN RCVY light, adjacent to the switch, is on when the spin recovery switch is in RCVY. NORM Spin recovery mode engaged when all of the following conditions are met: 1. Airspeed 120 ±15 knots. 2. Sustained, uncommanded yaw rate. 3. Stick is placed in the direction indicated on the DDI spin recovery display. The flight controls revert to CAS anytime the stick is placed in the wrong direction (i.e. prospin), the airspeed increases above about 245 knots, or the yaw rate decreases to less than 15°/second. RCVY Spin mode engaged when airspeed is 120 ±15 knots. The flight controls revert to CAS when the airspeed increases above about 245 knots. Full authority prospin controls can be applied with the switch in RCVY and spin mode engaged. 2.8.2.6.2 DDI Spin Recovery Displays a. Spin Recovery Switch in NORM. With the airspeed at 120 ±15 knots and a sustained, uncommanded left yaw rate with positive g or sustained, uncommanded right yaw rate with negative g, SPIN MODE STICK LEFT appears on both DDIs (see figure 2-14). With the airspeed at 120 ±15 knots and a sustained, uncommanded right yaw rate with positive g or sustained, uncommanded left yaw rate with negative g, SPIN MODE STICK RIGHT appears on both DDIs. When the stick is placed in the indicated directions, the words SPIN MODE are replaced by SPIN MODE ENGAGED When yaw rate ceases, or the airspeed increases above about 245 knots, the spin recovery display is replaced by the MENU display. b. Spin Recovery Switch in RCVY. When the spin recovery switch is placed to RCVY SPIN MODE appears on both DDIs. If the airspeed decreases to 120 ±15 knots, the words SPIN MODE are replaced by SPIN MODE ENGAGED If a sustained yaw rate develops, the words STICK RIGHT or STICK LEFT with an accompanying arrow also appear on the DDI. When the airspeed increases above about 245 knots SPIN MODE appears on both DDIs and the flight controls revert to CAS. Airspeed appears in the upper left corner, altitude appears in the upper right corner, and AOA appears in the lower center of the spin recovery display. During highly oscillatory out-of-control motion, rapid cycling of the command arrows may occur. Under these conditions, the stick should be released until command arrow cycling stops. During intermediate and high yaw rate spin mode recoveries, removal of the command arrow may be delayed. Under these conditions, anti-spin controls should be neutralized (sustained command arrow present) only if spin rate has stopped and the AOA warning tone is no longer present."

[@ptrisonic]

You don't need no freaking spin recovery button in any airplane.......Yah hoooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! My instructor would take me out over Foulness mud flats, tell me to close my eyes, then put the'plane in a spin and say "get out of that then!" - he must have had a death wish - I still dream of seeing all that mud rotating outside the cockpit. Best, Pete.

[@firmaneffendi2801]

In case of flat spin : Step 1 : DO NOT PANIC Step 2 : DO NOT PANIC Step 3 : DO NOT PANIC Step 4 : do as what Cap said in his video Step 5 : In case of 1000ft left, EJECT!!!

[@nikovlogs9837]

Step 5: Eject while still in safe ejection envelope (VSI + trajectory vector)*

[@karadiina3257]

Check The altitude first (optional) 😂

[@immortaldev1489]

at above 40 degree of AoA, the plane goes into a deep stall, so as long as your below that (your flcs should prevent you unless you do what he did in this video), you're good to go

[@Scoobydcs]

I didn't even know you could spin the bug lol

[@MaverickSu-35]

Hello again man! Can you try the same conditions again, but now apply aileron/stick input opposite to the SPIN MODE's display indication or in other words said, opposite to the yawing motion (at positive AoA, as usual) and see what happens? You'll find that instead of keeping you spinning or even increasing your spin rate, which happens in reality..., the DCS F-18's yaw rate will rapidly decrease and you'll get out of the spin in no time. I've just replied to Matt down here and detailed this problem and if he's truly a nice guy as he wants to look, he'll hopefully have a talk with some of his employees and start fixing stuff!

[@ColinDyckes]

First rule of spin recovery in ANY plane is Throttles to Idle and stick centrally forward for an upright spin (back for inverted), then use opposite Rudder to stop the spin. Full throttle is delaying recovery. I believe the F14 gets the infamous Top Gun compressor stall if you don't throttle back as well 🙂

[@fredericborloo1910]

Cap, being stalled or not has nothing to do with your speed. You need speed (EAS) to create lift, but the driver behind stalls is angle of attack. Speed is pretty much irrelevant. Important to distinguish between being stalled and being unable to produce enough lift for level flight.

[@grimreapers]

thc

[@fredericborloo1910]

Thc?

[@SimbaC2007]

Critical angel of attack is the driver between stalls.

[@SimbaC2007]

Critical Angle of Attack is the Chord line having air deflected upwards instead of over the airfoil.

[@Lightning_aus]

They NAILED the sound of jet engines in this game

[@grimreapers]

Most of them. F-14 still sounds like a bag of smashed crabs.

[@davidabarak]

I figured the button was like those for pedestrian crosswalks - just to give you something to do so you think you're making something happen. 😆

[@adamsmith5151]

I saw a HUD video of an f16 pilot blacking out and the plane took over, preventing him from crashing into the ground. Can the f18 do that as well?

[@julianpetit4180]

Not in dcs, but according to insidedefense.com/insider/navy-directs-super-hornet-program-manager-install-auto-gcas it will be installed on 18s as well. The system is called auto-GCAS

[@William3000x]

I remember in the Falcon BMS, that the F-16 has a similar switch that extends the autonomy of the elevators, making negative Pitch authority considerably higher, and the switch is often used for spin recovery. In the case of the F-16 in BMS you can even look behind you and if you pay attention, you can actually see the elevators move up farther than normal as soon as you flip the Pitch Override Switch. Probably the F-18 does somewhat the same with the Spin Recovery Switch...

[@adamsmith5151]

William Link that has nothing to do with what I’m talking about. lol

[@craigkroeze7531]

F18s do auto recover, AT on hornets for 8 years.

[@G1llmanBlacklg00n]

The manual way to recover from a spin is to: Cut the throttle, neutralize the ailerons , full rudder in opposite direction of rotation of spin,, forward stick to lower the nose , recover from the dive. Leaving full throttles engaged in a spin would screw your recovery in a real aircraft.

[@Scoobydcs]

That's how to get out of a flat spin in the tomcat. You can gun the inside engine too but that's optional

[@firmaneffendi2801]

well bf 109 also use this escape maneuver as far as I know (il-2 game)

[@alexanderbeck5998]

I think was the Switch does is that he hold's that instruction page open i think?!

[@potatopower707]

I might be wrong, but i dont think that turning off an engine helps at all. it has "centerline" engines, so turning one off BARELY helps.

[@arzhangsadeghi]

Thank yo so much for the video and the time , really appreciate it, your the best,

[@matuliik]

They are definitely not.

[@ATP-Flo]

Well the Hornet is just nearly unstallable and can recover from almost everything. Try the same with the F14. It's a lot harder.

[@William3000x]

I think you got out of the spin much quicker with the switch flipped on than without it. It would probably increase the autonomy of the flight control surfaces, so they can move in and out slightly farther than usual, creating more drag where it needs.

[@William3000x]

​@@windsurfer_LA Yeah. I remember in the Falcon BMS, that the F-16 has a similar switch that extends the autonomy of the elevators, making negative Pitch authority considerably higher, and the switch is often used for spin recovery. In the case of the F-16 in BMS you can even look behind you and if you pay attention, you can actually see the elevators move up farther than normal as soon as you flip the Pitch Override Switch. Probably the F-18 does somewhat the same with the Spin Recovery Switch...

[@ChaseB1896]

@@windsurfer_LA The switch doesn't do anything for this Hornet, read Matt's comment above. The fact he recovers "sooner" is likely coincidence depending on the conditions of that specific stall. Variations of the stall (Altitude, speed, angle) all affect how soon or late you recover from the stall and not every stall recovers in the same time-frame. For example. his first stall at high altitude of around 22-23k (with switch) he recovered at juust under 13k altitude. When he did the same height again (this time around 22k) with no switch, he recovered at 11k ft. It appears to make no difference to me.

[@notproplayer3649]

If only you could recover from a flatspin in the f14

[@fredericborloo1910]

notproplayer 3 You can : Roll SAS ON, Thrust idle, Rudder opposite to yaw rotation, Stick full back and INTO spin, When rotation slows, stick forward through neutral, All controls neutral as soon as spin stops. If this doesn't work, start "pumping" (Pitch will always oscillate, when it oscillates nose up, full back stick, when it starts dropping again, full forward stick. If all else fails, sweep wings full back. Be patient! Controls must be held in spin recovery position untill effects are seen. Can take several rotation.

[@notproplayer3649]

@@fredericborloo1910 wow man, just tried it out and indeed it worked, it's quite a lot harder than with the f/a-18 though

[@fredericborloo1910]

You need to practice to get it right. It changes every time. Just tried it and needed to sweep wings. Sometimes it comes right out with the standard recovery technique.

[@Antenov570]

Does One of you guys have same problem with THE game. I fly training mission without problems throttlestick peddals, joystick works No problem. Butik when i try fly mission or campaign nothing works. I must press gears in cockpit and flaps in cockpit, then THE rudder have some life of it own.

[@manizaeim]

I believe you need to put the throttle in the Idle, and I think the spin switch will by pass the Fly by wire.

[@alexanderbeck5998]

HORNET!!! 🎆🎆🎆🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@ju2705s]

Nice but how you recover the f-16? I tried it many times and lost every plane.

[@eragoss]

How did you get an F 16 to flat spin? The only thing i ever achieved was a Falling leaf, in that case press pitch override wait for the nose to come down then hit the burner and off you go. Saved 3/3 so far, but it was always on purpose and at high altitude 20000 ft+

[@AwosAtis]

Button turns off the CAS per D0pam1n!

[@Mrv9019]

Mig 21 do that too

[@gopherbar]

Log this video CAP thanks

[@briandenison2325]

Is this a feature of the game only, or can the real life Hornet do this?

[@firmaneffendi2801]

I think every aircraft can do this base on aerodynamics laws and as long as that aircraft can sustained high G during its spin at least 737 can't do this, it will be catastrophic

[@HPTOperator]

The real hornet can be put in a spin in that manner and does give direction to the pilot on how to recover.

[@RedSurfBoy]

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[@grimreapers]

How interesting... I could get in real trouble for supporting Trump. It's very dangerous to support him now days.

[@RedSurfBoy]

I do not support him but, many do lol. I'll try to think of something less controversial