VMAXX 8” vs IDQ8D4...Final thoughts

Final thoughts of the similarities and differences.. both great subs achieving different goals.

[@zaywilds3579]

Thank You for showing the Image Dynamics, seems everyone overlooks them because they want all SPL.

[@jkindlesparger]

People don't know they get loud too. Had a pair of v2 12's on audio art 100hc. You'll be hard pressed to find louder 2 12's on 1k even today. Not to mention the depth of bass is second to none.

[@Audfile]

Wow, you describe things really really well and know what you're talking about. "Create that knuckle in the air." Great line. Never heard it said that way before.

[@mirkolazar9250]

😅

[@NamNguyen-xe6ed]

I’m glad you appreciate the work that goes into image!👍👍

[@dcaudio1]

This video tells me that MB really loves what he does....got mad respect for someone like that.

[@arnoldsalazar5851]

IDQ’s are nice, You’re spot on about the tonal accuracy of the IDQ, I heard a guy coming a mile away and he had 2 IDQ 12’s and the bass was hit different.

[@anthonyhernandez5472]

Here is a quick idq story. I had a friend who lived towards the end of a long road in a neighborhood. The road is at least a half mile. I pull up to his house unannounced in the morning and he was already outside. I said how did you know I was coming? He said my bass woke him up, then he got up and got dressed before I showed up. I was running two idq 12s with a zapco ag1000 amp in 2001. Back then the idqs were only rated at 350 rms but everyone said they could take much more so I overpowered. They lasted a long time and that low end was like a literal earthquake in my car. Everybody knew when I was coming. They all said they could tell the difference between every other system that drove by and mine. People would ask me to turn down my music before driving close to their house so pictures wouldn't fall off. I am planning on buying another set. Glad to see someone give these subs the credit they deserve.

[@theresalong6573]

your thoughts and xplaining of stuff awesome man, i enjoy thanks

[@izaakavenaluckyss1933]

Love the way you explained the differences between the sq and the spl sub👍🔊🔊

[@T3hderk87]

Thank you sir! I didn't know anything, and I left knowing something!

[@georgebussey3463]

Great to know. My next build is geared more towards sql and loud without needing so much power to perform.

[@jessedukelacrosse6470]

Nice i just purchased a vmaxx 12 and just happen to have and idmax v3 12 both have an amp feeding each individually, the idmax is super smooth while this vega like the man said feels like it is slapping you in the face, quite the balance, sq and spl combined 👍

[@bigwilstile]

You have me thinking about those IMD or Toros!

[@shyb7075]

Love the videos I will always be a Cerwin Vega fan

[@MrAdeesmith2]

I ran 4 IDQ 12s on 2 PG Tantrum’s 500.2 @ 4 ohms in a 6 cuft sealed box in 2003. It was some of the cleanest bass anyone heard. Got out of the game because I had my firstborn. 16 years later, I decided to do something for myself. Life story fast forward, I turned our Chevy traverse into my toy. 6 months in I’ve been through a Crossfire 12 C3 ported(amp: crossfire C3-500 at 1ohm), a 4th order 12 c7, 2 15s c5 in a box that’s entirely too small(5.0 at most before displacement) powered by a CF BMF-1700d, because of the sound. It’s not accurate. Even the C3 in a 2.15 cuft box tuned at 35 hz sounded muddy. After watching your videos, I decided to start over from the ground up. No longer going with the SPL subs, I know what image dynamics can do. Today, I ordered 2 IDMAX 12s purely based on this video. Thank you for you stating facts and saving us money. New amp is DD Audio M1d

[@SteveZ919]

Well....how were the Dynamics?

[@MrAdeesmith2]

@@SteveZ919the IDMAX were on back order. I grabbed 2 w6v3s fora similar price.

[@fishtailfuture]

I had an original cerwin vega stroker 18d2 in my VW Beetle and it was the craziest shit ever. But when I bought a ID12 for my girlfriend for her truck cause it was the best speaker on the shelf of this hole in the wall shop I went to. (i knew nothing about them) I was blown away by the deep clear clean bass like nothing I had ever heard. My favorite subs now. Thank goodness someone bought them or whatever happened a while back when they seemed to be discontinued or went under. Forget the other "spl" subs. If you don't compete, do yourself a favor and get yourself some ID subs. Get 1 IDQ 12 for your small car and a 500watt rms amp and be blown away by the loud quality bass.

[@mashutaki]

which brand has both clean and soft thumping bass? CT Sounds, DC Audio, DD Audio, Image Dynamics or JL Audio?

[@fishtailfuture]

@@mashutaki Like I said. I'd go with ID. JL is an amazing brand and speaker. but at double the cost.

[@sterlingcampbell2116]

Great video. This guy is legit. Subscribed.

[@anubisprince36]

I have a few pairs of different brands of 8s. Skar ma-8s, Sundown Audio Ev5 8s, Sundown Sa8v3s w/spl coil, Savard Hi-Q 8s, Ascendant Audio rve 2.5 8s, and Jones Subwoofer Solutions 8s. I run a 2:1 6th order in my Trailblazer. I've only ran the Skar 8s in a ported box and only the Sa8v3s in the 6th order. I love these videos.

[@charlesreedy9330]

Can you share your 6th order box design for the sa8v3s?

[@evanfield537]

You should do a review on a digital designs 2508 esp

[@juggernautxtr]

all dependant on how you design the box they get installed in

[@utubecomment21]

Image dynamics is MIA from parts MIC ... how does that work?

[@jorgeponce9749]

Nice video my friend

[@JayTR_10]

The Image Dynamics Buyers Guide says that they recommend sealed enclosures for the IDMax Subs. But I see a lot of custom ported enclosures for them. Will the sound quality be lost if you put the IDQ or IDMax subs in ported boxes rather than sealed boxes? Btw, my first audio build in 1999-2000 was 2- IDQ 12’s with Rockford Fosgate Punch 800.1

[@evanfield537]

I love a really good sq sub that can get down

[@infrasonicrebasses4763]

all SQ car bass drivers get down..its really just cone area limiting them from goin lower

[@mashutaki]

@@infrasonicrebasses4763 which brand has both clean and soft thumping bass? CT Sounds, DC Audio, DD Audio, Image Dynamics or JL Audio?

[@quincytrotman2002]

another nice video bro keep em coming

[@nippahut]

brotha brotha brotha you can not be more correct , i have a original image dynamic sub that i bought in 1999 its a lite blues solid metal basket and its single 4ohm voice coil and it only needs about 150 rms watts to power it and its still going today in my small humble sedan lol! powered by the back end of my jl audio 500/5 which i bought in 2000 but bru i just bought an idq 10 d4 4ohm for my backup collect then i bought the humble rockford R500X1D to power it so not to put strain on my battery and i found a rockford p600 likenew on amazon for 259 dollars to pair with it , and some refurb kappas 602csx component 179 dollars for backup also cause i like that ab sound combo with kappas for interior cabin , trying to stay old school bru as long as i can lol !!!

[@chrisgeiger6384]

I love Image Dynamics. They make amazing products! They just sound amazing!

[@mashutaki]

which brand has both clean and soft thumping bass? CT Sounds, DC Audio, DD Audio, Image Dynamics or JL Audio?

[@MASON858]

Keep up the great work.

[@charlesking678]

This is a good review. The idq is probably what I'm gonna go with.

[@datN.O.Colombiano]

Good shit man. I just bought a Chrysler 300. I bought a big ass 12" sub and built a box for it. Shit was way too damn heavy. I lowered my car and it was causing too much rubbing and bottoming out. I decided to sell the sub and the box and downsize. I had two 8" Rockfords in my old pickup and I was thinking about going back to 8's to save a lil bit of weight. I'm just trying to find the right subs and the right kind of building material to make it as light as I can.

[@M.B.Enclosures]

Use wood

[@kennymeunier]

... or fiberglass 🔊

[@NoPainNoGain___]

Very good info on throw and how certain subs carry further. Im just getting into subs just got my first pair of 12 orion xtr 600 watts rms I hope these will sound good and similar to the image dynamic

[@M.B.Enclosures]

Brian sorry bro... but the XTR more SPL geared

[@NoPainNoGain___]

@@M.B.Enclosures ok good to know thanks!! Keep up the good work bro💯

[@anferneeeailey9569]

Brian yea bro they are more gear towards spl I got the xtrpros blackcoil they can play lows really well and very loud as well

[@anferneeeailey9569]

MBEnclosures LLC bro I have heard persons use the term SQL subs can you share some light on that?

[@kristopherdonaldson9569]

I was rewatching this video and I wondered, how would you compare the sound diffs between ID 8's and DD 508's?

[@juststuff5216]

For me, I've always wondered about ID8 vs JL Audio 8W3v3.

[@jkstdstang]

I ran an old v1 idq 12” for a while. Great sound quality and deep bass. The newer versions are designed to take twice the power and i bet they sound amazing!

[@jkindlesparger]

The idq v2 got loud & took good power. Had a pair on an audio art 100hc. Also knew a guy that ran 4 on 2 100hc's in a Beretta. He did well in spl & Sq comps.

[@mashutaki]

which brand has both clean and soft thumping bass? CT Sounds, DC Audio, DD Audio, Image Dynamics or JL Audio?

[@mr.jojomunoz6561]

Nice man! I wanna get a IDMAX 15 because I hear its like a cheater w7 for the price

[@mashutaki]

which brand has both clean and soft thumping bass? CT Sounds, DC Audio, DD Audio, Image Dynamics or JL Audio?

[@tedtan6449]

Dance and Techno.... Vega always

[@Cyberslug1]

One of the reasons I'm switching from car audio to home audio subs for my car is because the home audio subs tend to be sooooo much lighter!! The 18" sub I may get has a Mms of only 165 g !!!! and STILL have a fs of 29Hz!!! Try finding that in a car audio sub !!!!

[@bassbrother101]

Why does the weight of the subs matter to you ?

[@M.B.Enclosures]

bass brothers weight of the soft parts is what he saying.

[@bassbrother101]

MBEnclosures LLC oh

[@ChutneyInc.]

Thanks for the review. Can you tell me the mounting diameter of the idq8 is?

[@sgthjennings]

Great detailed review.. I appreciate it bro.. New subscriber, planning to stick around!!!!!!

[@mirkolazar9250]

I got 2.12 idq v4 are they any good havent had tome to hook them up and test them i know the old ones was good the new ones are made or owned by power bass not stevens

[@K4gixxer1000]

I Have 15 GMC Sierra crew cab with 4 8inch skar vd so disappointed in the sound quality. But after watching your review of the idq I had totally forgot about them but looked at ther idq 12 about 4 years ago glad I come across your channel I just bought 2 idq 8 to try if it goes good will be ordering 2 more I thanks for your video do you have a Patreon act

[@M.B.Enclosures]

K4gixxer1000 not yet

[@BongoBennieTV]

You would not hesitate running the IDQ8 on 500 watts? Many different numbers out there on what is recommended. I'd like to run 2 sealed with my JL JD1000/1

[@2slofouru]

I've been running two idq8 on a soundstream "18000" at 4ohm for years...in a ported box. They will definitely do their rated rms in a proper box.

[@DrTommyO]

IDQ8 or Kicker Q 8?

[@joseluismendozaperez1834]

In your personal opinion, which of the three subs did you like best between those two and the TOROs?

[@M.B.Enclosures]

Jose Luis Mendoza Perez The Toro out performs these 2.... easily

[@yungboss1970]

Dope video, school the young bucks so theese stores can stop selling them dreams.

[@TimConnolly-s9h]

How would 2 of the idq do in a 2023 Silverado??

[@M.B.Enclosures]

Nice

[@infrasonicrebasses4763]

in other words.. different drivers designed for different application ..one is purely aimed for maximizing output while the other is aimed at maximizing sound quality..simple as that...the choice is yours ..what do you prefer ...very loud bass... generally most do so you'd get a SPL driver right?? yeah..perhaps..but thats only because when people using SQ drivers at a tuning too low of their most efficient ranges just makes them SEEM like their aren't that loud...that IDQ8 can be a REAL meany but in no way..did it EVER...deviate from the bassline in the songs i played on it at very high volume levels..its quick has no problem with speed ..and can still shake a box at around 22hz or so even tho its like 44 inches in length 20 inches in width and 9 inches in height....just...wow.....its a solid driver and i accidentally bottomed it out many times and its still rockin on like normal..tough driver...

[@Mustafaj-c7z]

Me i'll take the IDMAX!

[@MyBlowncobra]

Image dymanics is for people who truly care about the quality of sound.most other woofers today are about quantity..play a jl 12w6v2 and play a sundown sa12..jl is ceystal clean with a bit of authority..the sundown is pure authority..pure output..

[@M.B.Enclosures]

Exactly my thoughts.... most of the output of the SA12 is distortion whereas the JL is pure output. Yet I think a JL system can get just as loud as a Sundown if matched correctly. Box is key.

[@MyBlowncobra]

@@M.B.Enclosures box is always key...you can take a crap sub and throw it in a great box and it sounds good...you can take a great sub and throw it in a prefab and it sounds like crap or eeeehhh....but a great sub in a great box is magical...

[@mashutaki]

@@MyBlowncobra which brand has both clean and soft thumping bass? CT Sounds, DC Audio, DD Audio, Image Dynamics or JL Audio?

[@KnowName33]

Your entertaining but goddamn you are off like a light switch when you talk about subwoofer mechanics but i still watch you because you seem to enjoy audio a lot lol

[@fxgamer-11yt]

Agreed very off on info about the subs and how they work to a point but he isn’t losing about how one is leaned towards spl and one is more for sq

[@kennethbarber620]

I want to see the idmax go up against the nemesis subs

[@M.B.Enclosures]

As far as output the nemesis should win...as far as SQ the IDQ

[@kapokidkidkapo719]

@@M.B.Enclosures u familiar with the nemesis audio?

[@hippo-potamus]

MB what’s the difference between having a dust cap vs all cone like the IDQ8D4. Is the cone just glued to the former from the backside? Is one design better than the other? Thanks for the knowledge. -Cheers

[@M.B.Enclosures]

hippo potamus none really... what matters is total cone area..a dustcap is as name suggest, stops dust and debris from entering magnetic gap

[@tabathaturner987]

Cerwin vega is awesome

[@shawnleininger8354]

Love the videos especially since I'm currently looking into 8s due to the fact of space issue. I heard you say you build boxes... i have in my opinion one of the hardest to put subs in w.o replacing the midgate. Do you know of any plans for a 2008 chevy avalanche?

[@AJ-od7mv]

There's a lot of builds for under seat boxes for crew cab silverados which is essentially what you'd need

[@shawnleininger8354]

@@AJ-od7mv my avalanche has a different sest pattern in that I have bars that support the front due to the fact that my seats fold flat when midgate is open

[@AJ-od7mv]

I've had an avalanche and i have some silverados now, the under seat area looks identical.. The silverado seats have the same braces because the seats do the same thing

[@shawnleininger8354]

@@AJ-od7mv if u look up on Google u can see the difference mine has bracing up front where silverado doesnt

[@fxgamer-11yt]

Stiffness has little to no impact on how much power a sub can take it’s only affects abou2-5% of the power handling what it dose effect is how fast and low a sub can play softer spiders play lower and quick tighter spiders play slower and high hence why bigger subs mentioned for spl are really stiff and just slow response to notes but that has nothing on sq to much but still is a notable conversation and very noticeable difference

[@joshholden8561]

Stiffer subs take more power 90 percent of the time everything else I agree with u about

[@fxgamer-11yt]

@@joshholden8561 no power handling is based on coil design and motor mass the larger motor the more thermal mass it has

[@joshholden8561]

Mms motor force is alot but not 1 spl or 1000 rms sub is gonna have a soft spider usually they double spidered . Xmax x mech has to be a good amount to.be loud single softer spiders usually on svc 150 to 300 rms subs with 2 inch coils with 6 to 10 mm xmax

[@fxgamer-11yt]

@@joshholden8561 your not worng I'm.just saying a spider has little to do with power it helps some.not alot let's look at a sundown x series right large motor large oversized 3 inch coil and a dependent on the size of the sub a huge soft so der sub is ratted 2k rms but can take 5k rms not suggested but yea motor force isn't what I was talking about a heavy motor and larger motor has more thermal mass then one that is smaller much like a radiator for a car a larger one is going to keep the coollent colder for longer vs the smaller one hince why it has a lot to play in power to theres 3 things that come in to play on how much power a sub can truly take that is coil size a larger coil can take more heat also motor motor cooling and motor size aka thermal mass and then the last thing is spider packs yes it helps but it's not as important as the rest

[@williamgarner1013]

He speaks alot of dictionary in his views

[@ardianjohn7221]

Image dynamics lows and sq .

[@mashutaki]

which brand has both clean and soft thumping bass? CT Sounds, DC Audio, DD Audio, Image Dynamics or JL Audio?

[@ajmann07]

Good Day MB I have a Quick ?? And FYI GR8 video presentation. I have acquired 2 rfd2208 Rockford Fosgate old school but luv some Fosgate. With your building experience would you stay with sealed box Ported and roughly what size has been best in you experience with these small 8". Thank Ü sir and have a blessed day

[@M.B.Enclosures]

ajmann07 I prefer the ported sound.. have no experience with Sealed boxes

[@MyBlowncobra]

Let's see this wall

[@infrasonicrebasses4763]

that kinda didn't make sense..what you mean the spl driver needed an epicenter to get the depth the SQ driver did without the epicenter.....that just makes no sense...just say the SPL doesn't sound deep like the SQ driver ..i have noticed this myself..even the IDMAX 10 doesn't sound deep as the IDQ....maybe because of how the IDQ was very clearly aimed towards pure SQ and IDMAX was a mix of SQ and SPL

[@tycdoesit2852]

Fasho

[@tlhousto]

I need some advice. I'm looking to do a SQL inexpensive setup in my 2022 Tundra double cab, and I'm thinking between 2 or 3 8in Image Dynamic or Sundown Audio in a box behind the backseat. What would you recommend?