The secret of maximum loudness (part 2)

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@Clayfacer
@Clayfacer 3 жыл бұрын
the real secret to loudness was the friends we made along the way.
@Wildenfree
@Wildenfree 3 жыл бұрын
That’s where you’re wrong… the secret is, Family.
@phadrus
@phadrus 3 жыл бұрын
If you mean by friends along the way all of the little bits of compression and saturation in your audio chain, then yep, sounds about right.
@woosix7735
@woosix7735 3 жыл бұрын
Xd
@Wildenfree
@Wildenfree 3 жыл бұрын
@Eegoal Official sorry it wasn’t literal, more like a Dom from Fast 9 joke lol
@insertanynameyouwant5311
@insertanynameyouwant5311 3 жыл бұрын
the real secret is to be friends with Dan Warral
@tecnica-de-voz
@tecnica-de-voz 3 жыл бұрын
'Make it sound as good as possible' - 1000% true. Anytime I listen to a well produced/mixed/mastered song, no matter how loud it already is I want to turn it up even more.
@justinmaticsmusic
@justinmaticsmusic 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly.. And by making it sound good you are having a well balanced mix, most likely or not is going to be a bit louder than a bad mixed song where the bass is too high and kicks overpowering everything.
@lornecui4967
@lornecui4967 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. This is what I am thinking when listening to Noisia's track. They are extremely loud already but also being controlled. I do enjoy all the details Noisia put into them
@lolilollolilol7773
@lolilollolilol7773 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly that.
@DMDvideo10
@DMDvideo10 2 жыл бұрын
I don't agree. You have to balance the loudness with the dynamics of the song. You want some space between the subtleties and the swells... Unless of course you're referring to dance music...
@Bittamin
@Bittamin 2 жыл бұрын
@@justinmaticsmusic don’t call me out with that overpowering kick 😅😅 it’s fine in house music right? 😅
@odysy5179
@odysy5179 3 жыл бұрын
Dan telling us all to cut it out and use the volume knob what a legend
@Everybodyhassoul
@Everybodyhassoul 3 жыл бұрын
lmao
@croay
@croay 3 жыл бұрын
djs be like: ok, this is hitting -18dbfs so now ill pump up my limiter chain up to -3 LUFS volume knob be like: - bru?
@tophan5146
@tophan5146 3 жыл бұрын
Spoilers! 😤
@Ivy_Panda
@Ivy_Panda 3 жыл бұрын
@@tophan5146 Why are you reading the comments before finishing the video?
@fastlearner292
@fastlearner292 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ivy_Panda addiction
@MrSkylightOffical
@MrSkylightOffical 3 жыл бұрын
100% educational. Forget him never begging for the subscribe, he's not even plugging the product.
@MadMaxBLD
@MadMaxBLD 3 жыл бұрын
The product is still shown off and when he used the 1:1 button I was sold.
@QNEGRO1
@QNEGRO1 3 жыл бұрын
All music making videos should be like this
@SICKBREEZE
@SICKBREEZE 3 жыл бұрын
"Hack your listener's brain, and make them want to turn it up." *i sat here watching this by myself and applaused no cap*
@domasj2470
@domasj2470 3 жыл бұрын
It brought a tear to my eye ahaha such truth
@FaBianrecord
@FaBianrecord 3 жыл бұрын
That quotes are gold! absolutely agree!
@variancewithin
@variancewithin 3 жыл бұрын
i sat here watching this by myself and applaused no clap
@unidoubt
@unidoubt 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah as soon as he said that I bursted in laughter hahah Great ending to the video!
@arminfatol
@arminfatol 3 жыл бұрын
I also paused here, took notes, and thought "this is awesome!"
@abhicorpselegacy
@abhicorpselegacy 3 жыл бұрын
I heard somewhere that 'the end user has control over the volume of the song but not the quality'. Also I've been waiting for this video for a long time despite knowing all this, I just love watching Dan's videos.
@OmarCruz-rx9nv
@OmarCruz-rx9nv 3 жыл бұрын
So the secret to maximum loudness is turning the volume up? Im both satisfied and perplexed by that obvious answer
@Honking_Goose
@Honking_Goose 3 жыл бұрын
Often the simplest answer is the solution
@tecnica-de-voz
@tecnica-de-voz 3 жыл бұрын
yes, haven't you heard say Thriller by MJ on Spotify, which is probably not as loud as today's music, yet you can't get enough of it and have to turn it up simply because it is a master piece.
@novakattila
@novakattila 3 жыл бұрын
@@tecnica-de-voz Actually this doesn't matter. All streaming platforms (including youtube) will normalize volume to the same level. An old song will sound quieter because it has a higher dynamic range. For example, if you upload to soundcloud, they "recommend" that you normalize to -10 to -14 LUFS, however when you actually do this with a master, its gonna be waaaay too quiet and people wont be able to simply "turn it up" because its gonna be quiet at max volume. They could "turn it up" in an analog chain (i.e. dedicated amplifier post conversion) but the vast majority of people will listen to it on commercial devices (especially headphones and cheap speakers) where this wont be possible. So this all means that you need to ignore their recommendations and normalize to as loud as possible (commercial electronic music often go up to -6LUFS and beyond), which they will "turn down" but because you dont have much dynamic range, it will still sound a lot louder than a song originally mastered to lets say -12 LUFS. Peaks barely matter in modern music because most of it is not organic sound (electronic instruments vastly dominate modern music). When you master things like jazz or orchestral music or folk music its a very different thing however.
@LimewaterMusic
@LimewaterMusic 3 жыл бұрын
@@novakattila I’d argue it definitely can matter and factor in with electronic instruments, it’s just not the norm because the vast majority of people don’t care. It’s not what’s being used to make the music but rather who’s consuming it.
@Gortmend
@Gortmend 3 жыл бұрын
I'm convinced the first track on NIN's "broken" is just to get the listener to turn up the volume, so when the guitars slam in during the second track, it smacks you in the face.
@dirkchurlish4074
@dirkchurlish4074 3 жыл бұрын
Now see that's annoying
@subliminalspectrum
@subliminalspectrum 3 жыл бұрын
In a similar (but opposite) fashion, Dr. Dre being the audio genius that he is provides a nice Dolby-esque sound at the beginning of 2001 that pretty much allows you to set the volume once and roll through the album. Of course, it's also a super loud album
@adrianlentz4029
@adrianlentz4029 3 жыл бұрын
@@dirkchurlish4074 *awesome
@grimpuppet1742
@grimpuppet1742 3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU
@AnimusInvidious
@AnimusInvidious 3 жыл бұрын
Collectivce Soul did this too with their song "Simple".
@sub-jec-tiv
@sub-jec-tiv Жыл бұрын
One thing you can do if you’re making an album that you want people to listen to all the way through is to consider what level the first track starts at. If you want impactful punchy loud parts, you can start the first song ever so slightly quieter. The audience will set the level. Then loud really is louder. Of course, you have to be careful how much extra dynamic range you leave, because if you annoy people they will simply turn your music off. But with a spare decibel or two, you can have a heavier impact, like classical recordings, which sound genuinely loud when they’re loud. Basically i’m saying, leave a little space. A track that does this is Radiohead’s track Palo Alto. The track gives you the idea it will be at one level… but then the chorus kicks in, and you get insanely loud guitars. Hats off to them for having the stones to do this. It really makes the track stand out. (Also, it’s a great song)
@francolaria
@francolaria 3 жыл бұрын
The punchline was totally worth the wait - and it's the absolute truth. When a great track plays - and I'm in the mood for it, I will just turn it up loud and rock my head to it. That was the perfect denouement to a very informative film. Thank you, Dan.
@jarrodbiesmann
@jarrodbiesmann 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, Mr. Worrall. Just wow. I've made a playlist of your Fabfilter videos and at each stage of my mixing process I review the relevant plugins and I achieve very satisfying results. Your videos have helped my ears to mature, separate fact from fiction and complete a project with a sense of doing the best I could at my ability as well as knowing that in the future I will see room for improvement which will be used in future projects. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and wisdom. I hope it is worth your time.
@anantwashere
@anantwashere 3 жыл бұрын
15 years into the music business and I STILL get to learn from Dan! What a scientist!
@nunchisoul5924
@nunchisoul5924 3 жыл бұрын
FINALLY IVE BEEN WAITING
@papito2lindo
@papito2lindo 3 жыл бұрын
Me tooo
@t7H2si0vß2
@t7H2si0vß2 3 жыл бұрын
Sameee
@TheBlashMusic
@TheBlashMusic 3 жыл бұрын
You’ve been baited lol
@dimitrimitropoulos
@dimitrimitropoulos 3 жыл бұрын
woop woop! always happy to see these videos coming in!
@billwarner213
@billwarner213 2 жыл бұрын
This is the BEST video on this topic I have ever seen - THANKS!!
@moosebeatstv
@moosebeatstv 3 жыл бұрын
Dan the man making everything make sense and organizing my brain, as usual.
@hydratek_sounds
@hydratek_sounds 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful advice in the end!
@Magic_carpet666
@Magic_carpet666 3 жыл бұрын
Dan Worrall is my spirit animal.
@LuiTunes
@LuiTunes 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, I really liked the conclusion, not always will the "loudest" song sound better, so its better to focus on making our music actually sounding better, that will make the user crank it up 🤘❤🤘
@_Niko11001
@_Niko11001 3 жыл бұрын
This is a work of art disguised as a tutorial. Thanks again, Dan
@killboybands1
@killboybands1 3 жыл бұрын
I've had the same thought about his tutorials.
@dgsoundCA
@dgsoundCA 3 жыл бұрын
Oh sh*#!! I didn't read the video description and was not ready for Dan "The Man" popping back here. I instantly hit full screen and start making obeisance. Respect, Dan and FabFilter!🙏
@vitrih0lic
@vitrih0lic 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! I've been struggling to figure out how loud my music should be and have seen people recommending exporting my masters around -8 dB LUFS for streaming so it's been very confusing for me. This video inspired me to focus on having a good mix over loudness. Thanks!
@sleepykittens4193
@sleepykittens4193 3 жыл бұрын
@Deep Moticons uhhh this was literally a comment thanking someone for a tutorial? Why the hell are you telling someone about their own experience when you don’t even know them.. like wtf bro? 😂😂😂😂
@QNEGRO1
@QNEGRO1 3 жыл бұрын
@@sleepykittens4193 I think he meant that because in the older days we didn't have all the computer shit in regards to music production that we have today, even I tell the young rappers and artists I record in my home studio that I feel jealous of them because to have what they have now on a computer didn't exist and costed way more back in like 2002 then it does now, shit, some stuff is litteraly free now, like industry secrets on recording or production, I believe this video here is also testament to that fact.
@vitrih0lic
@vitrih0lic 3 жыл бұрын
@@QNEGRO1 I literally went to school learning how to use old school analog gear along by bouncing tracks on an 8 track and using physical hardware. No digital stuff was taught when I went to school, so I had to learn digital plugins on my own. I mostly recorded bands so I had to understand which microphone best fits what instrument and actually mic up drumsets, amps, and vocalists. I don't know much about rap because my projects are mostly rock and metal based.
@QNEGRO1
@QNEGRO1 3 жыл бұрын
@@vitrih0lic Yeah I feel you man I'm from 85' , I had to learn vsts and computer music on my own too, early 2000's at most there was only Future Music Magazine (KZbin tutorials didn't exist yet) that taught a little. I used to be in a band when I first started off doing music, we had a female singer, me on bass, a drummer and two guitarists, didn't last long but after that I had to go solo so I learned guitar too and started singing and computers was my only choice for cheap recordings and demos. I grew up on rap and hip hop because of my father but when I was a kid lots of MTV had me hooked on other genres too. I keep laughing when these young kids come to my home studio and after a recording they ask me what could make their music sound better, I pick up my guitar or my bass play something to make a break or pause or even just a play along to the song and after they sit there and scratch their head in confusion as to what I'm doing, then I explain that adding instruments would make rap beats and rythms less boring and give space and dimension to songs in between them rapping and rampling on, then they totally ignore me or look at like I'm an idiot, WELL SORRY IF YOUR USED TO THE THE ELECTRONIC BULLSHIT THAT PASSES FOR MUSIC TODAY BUT YEARS AGO RAPPERS AND HIPHOP ARTIST WOULD PAY MUSICIANS TO PLAY ON THERE TRACKS WTF!!🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ so fucking sad!
@QNEGRO1
@QNEGRO1 3 жыл бұрын
@@vitrih0lic There was a rapper I was producing for years ago that got me into contact with a heavy producer and record label owner name in the industry in our area here in Northern Italy, the rapper was asking this producer while we were in his studio how it was recording to tape back then, he said "well, record, shit,retake, rewind the tape, cut the tape, tape the cut tape together, restart recording again". I can't even imagine the craziness of that today, just looking at old tape machines today in thrift shops make me cringe but I respect who did the work back then, I still remember tape decks and vhs, I understand the frustration of winding up tape cause you want to watch your favorite movie. There was one time in the studio with the same rapper I mentioned before, the owner of the record label asks him if he wanted some old monitor speakers he could sell to him since he didn't need them anymore, upon showing him the speakers me and the owner of the record label sat back and watched in horror as the rapper starts putting his fingers into the cones of the speakers and leaves a small dent in one of them. Then he turns around and says "what?", me and the record label owner must have sat there trying to contain our murderous rage in silence for at least two minutes and a half before responding to him, never seen a rapper so afraid in all my life LMFAO He had to buy them afterwards🤣😂🤷🏼‍♂️🤦‍♂️
@nghtfall
@nghtfall 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve never been more excited for an audio engineering video lmao
@tartee3796
@tartee3796 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone else here hit the like before watching?Your videos are the best in youtube.And I really appreciate all you doing.
@phadrus
@phadrus 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, standard practice for Dan’s videos now.
@MadMaxBLD
@MadMaxBLD 3 жыл бұрын
Man I was waiting for this like the conclusion to a good cliffhanger episode of my favorite show, and you didn't disappoint! Yes, the loudness war was always pointless and its interesting that streaming platforms are basically ending it.
@QNEGRO1
@QNEGRO1 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I feel you there.
@ieatthighs
@ieatthighs 11 ай бұрын
it's*
@MadMaxBLD
@MadMaxBLD 11 ай бұрын
@@ieatthighs Correct!
@adamhiggins2160
@adamhiggins2160 Ай бұрын
What a fantastic video, Dan. Cheers for sharing.
@MSMediaRotterdam
@MSMediaRotterdam Жыл бұрын
Being in radio for about 46 years I noticed the sometimes dramatic, insane increase of loudness. And what a war it was (and still seems to be). To me it's very simple: if a recording of a song is mastered too much in my face, I simply *don't play it*. It won't be at the playlist at all. Radio uses it's own processing in order to cater listeners invironmentalwise best (at least our radio station KilRock does...). Even the Big Names in the industry (don't mention any names, but Orban is one of them) warn radio engineers in the manuals of their OptiMods for 'ear fatigue': the moment listeners will switch off because their ears are getting tired of the compressed sound overload they experience. A too heavily compressed mastered recording will be recognised by a multiband compressor from about 1982 and later. The device will just not proces the signal significantly. But there's a little catch here: when audio, coming straight from a mastering room is too compressed anyway, the listening experience will be a bit overwhelming anyway, so listeners will shut down their radios still because of that. At first, listeners will turn down the volume a bit. After a while, they still will switch off their radios because of the restless soundscape they experience. This behaviour counts heavenly in your ratings. Besides that: if you're a recording artist or engineer, I don't think you want to be remembered as a loudness freak in the first place. What I'd suggest is that the 100% uncompressed audio is kept available at all times. Who knows what kind of engineering we can expect in the near future? I certainly don't :o) Thanks for posting your videos. I like them very much!
@nikolaudio
@nikolaudio Жыл бұрын
interesting. Always am fascinated with radio processing
@pelerinc
@pelerinc Жыл бұрын
I've heard old mastering guys say that it was radio playback (i.e. people listening in their cars) that drove (no pun intended) the loudness war. it's interesting to me how the amount of low-frequency content in pop music increased starting sometime around 1990. that created a need for better limiting tools, right? but you could also say that it was the limiting tools that made all that bass possible. bass in your face, baby! whatchoo gon' do wit all dat bass?
@ieatthighs
@ieatthighs 11 ай бұрын
its* own processing, not it's
@julianmorrisco
@julianmorrisco Ай бұрын
The loudness war is over. We lost.
@tommygunn8
@tommygunn8 3 жыл бұрын
"Just make it sound good as possible" Haha, nice conclusion
@quirkyteeshirt8970
@quirkyteeshirt8970 3 жыл бұрын
What is the background music? Sounds awesome!
@lisotunali3807
@lisotunali3807 3 жыл бұрын
Every single producer and or mixing engineer needs to watch this.
@PipEastop
@PipEastop 2 жыл бұрын
Dan Worrall, a gushing fountain of wisdom. Thanks so much for all this excellent education!
@SebastianGrantElKiva
@SebastianGrantElKiva 2 жыл бұрын
Dan, 0.2db from KZbin perfection, not surprising. This man is the god of addicted producers, always come back to this to make the new musicians I meet even more happy!
@jasabasenara8124
@jasabasenara8124 3 жыл бұрын
This is spot on. I pushed a limiter hard, tried it in my car. Yes, at first it was louder. When I turned up the volume it was distorted bass, sounded crap. So, I turned down the limiter then tried that in the car. At first it sounded very low in volume but...when I cranked up the volume, the loudness was there, no bass distortion. Sounded so much clearer. So yes, Dan is spot on. Let people just crank that volume with no distortion. Top video Dan. 👍🙏
@J77199
@J77199 2 жыл бұрын
Not all loud limited mixes audibly distort though. Have to know what ur doing
@AKAtAGG
@AKAtAGG 3 жыл бұрын
Top class info in here and not just an advert for Pro-L 2. Which everyone should buy anyway.
@noisemodule
@noisemodule 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Dan, for validating the instinct I had 20 years ago, before I knew anything about mastering: Make your listener turn up by making your audio sound a little quieter (and better) than the mainstream. I love all your videos!
@lamentistriangle281
@lamentistriangle281 2 жыл бұрын
This trick seems to be used by todays mastering engineers who overly compress their tracks. I stumbled upon one pop song a while ago, first few seconds of the beginning was intentionally kept quiet to trick the listener to turn it up, then it gets a little louder and continues to playing compressed as usual.
@rektskrubm8316
@rektskrubm8316 3 жыл бұрын
I've been a Dubstep & Sub-Genres fan for over 7 years and I can tell, here (also on the EDM scene) the loudness war is not over at all unfortunately. Every song you listen is careless about true peak or distortion due to excessive limiting. No dynamic range at all, no sense of depth, bass, kick and snare become square waves, they're not afraid to put six instances of clipper in order to get the most sharp piece of brick possible. It seems impossible to get any louder yet they manage to push the artificial loudness further every year. It doesn't matter if you manually adjust the volume, even at quieter levels it's still up front your face, hurting your ears. But I can't escape now, I've been listening to this for so long believe it or not, it's actually desirable for songs to be this loud, it's somehow what makes Dubstep be Dubstep. One day I did an "experiment" wondering why after turning down the volume, this loud music was still so piercing. I used an oscilloscope wich if you think about it, represents how your eardrums and your speakers will physically vibrate to different sounds (kind off), then played this criminally loud song whose drop goes up to -1.9Lufs!!!!!. The waveform, revealed it all, your poor eardrums, vibrating so aggressively, I finally realized the source of my tinnitus and hearing loss. If you made it this far, I hope this was informative. I'm not trying to invalidate anything said on the video, I totally agree and appreciate the information. Hopefully my favorite music genre can be saved from this excessive loudness nonsense. Have a great day!!
@hamisheginet
@hamisheginet 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, please tell me the name of that software and name of that song with 2 lufs... Loudest music that i know was 3 lufs..
@rektskrubm8316
@rektskrubm8316 3 жыл бұрын
@@hamisheginet well, I didn't want to reveal the (crimimal (lol not really)) behind this song but here you go: DDD - Kaiser, it's free to download on SoundCloud. For the oscilloscope view, windows media player has an oscilloscope visualizer, I also use a plugin called Signalizer, its free and it comes with a bunch of audio analyzing tools. And to measure Lufs, Youlean Loudness meter is free and super awesome. I don't remember the integrated Lufs of the song but I remember the momentary going up to -1.9
@aaronocelot
@aaronocelot 3 жыл бұрын
some of that is achieved merely by composition. if you have 2 simple and brutally loud sounds, having them alternate, instead of playing at one time, will allow each one to remain the loudest :D Far Too Loud (aptly named UK breakbeat duo) is quite good at this technique. Electro spawned it, basically, but dubstep and it's kin took it further. Pop music (EDM) basically copies this aesthetic verbatim as it's about being really OBVIOUS EVEN ON CRAP SYSTEMS (all caps designed to simulate obtusely obvious stuff, lol...)
@hamisheginet
@hamisheginet 3 жыл бұрын
@@rektskrubm8316 thanks
@Atmospheral
@Atmospheral 3 жыл бұрын
And here i am struggling to make my song clean while sitting on 8 lufs
@emiel333
@emiel333 3 жыл бұрын
FabFilter and Dan Worrall = great combination! This KZbin video is at -1.2 dB. Lovely video guys! I was waiting for part 2. Side note: although I assume most people here know this, I want to point out the following: if you have a paid subscription with lossless audio (Apple Music, Tidal etcetera) make sure you listen with a wired headphone. Bluetooth headphones aren’t able to transmit high res lossless audio. In other words, if you listen to a lossless file with Bluetooth headphones, the end result is rather a lossy one. Nevertheless Bluetooth and it’s codecs are becoming better and better and maybe in the far future there will be a solution to listen lossless on a Bluetooth wireless headphone. Keep coming with these awesome video’s #FabFilter and #DanWorrall !
@neetishdhavgaye
@neetishdhavgaye 3 жыл бұрын
Those last sentences just gave me goosebumps ! Thank for he video !
@youngmarcy7087
@youngmarcy7087 3 жыл бұрын
BRAVO ! this video should be shown in all audio engineering schools !
@FaBianrecord
@FaBianrecord 3 жыл бұрын
"Hack your listener's brain, and make them want to turn it up." The quote of the year no doubt
@Peaceforr
@Peaceforr 3 жыл бұрын
If there is some kind of reward for production tutorial videos these 2 parts would be first on the list to get it!! You deserve a reward for this no doubt!!!
@peterrange4625
@peterrange4625 3 жыл бұрын
So my takeaway from this is, make a very dynamic tune @ -14 LUFS with a very quiet intro. Listener turns it up, then they get to the climax of the tune and are blown away. This results in millions in streaming revenue, private jets and regular talk show appearances. :P Brilliant video once again, thanks Dan! :)
@psynuxx
@psynuxx 3 жыл бұрын
I 100% endorse everything said in this video. I do have to wonder though... when will record labels stop insisting on -7.5 LUFS. They're butchering my music.
@travislrogers
@travislrogers Жыл бұрын
Brilliant! Loving these FabFilter videos.. so informative and well produced!
@mellowords
@mellowords Жыл бұрын
The practical tip at the end about actual loudness...brilliant.
@sK3LeTvM1
@sK3LeTvM1 3 жыл бұрын
Well spoken ! Some people ask me how I do my mixes so well. Certainly not by pushing the final mix as loud as possible. But by recognizing instruments specific frequencies and balance, EQ and pan them like it needs to be done. Dynamics is not the same as loudness !!!
@HandsUpDK
@HandsUpDK 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like most popular music has a certain glue to all the elements. Buscompression, limiting, tapesaturation and softclipping that makes all the elements come together. When I try to aim for more dynamic mixes say -14LUFS I feel like no matter what it ends up not sounding glued together. Like the transients stick out too much almost. Or a big crescendo in a song, like in the example you showed, just sticks out too much and not sound cohesive to the rest of the song. I feel like limiting as an effect just adds so much more than just loudness.
@tmpressure1472
@tmpressure1472 3 жыл бұрын
It changes how dynamic your music is - and I totally agree, mixing to -14 can be too dynamic quite often, imagine listening to music in a car for example. You don't want a lot of dynamic because of all the background noise. I actually think a song like Bohemian Rhapsody can be annoying because I continuously have to adjust the level when I listen to it in a noisy environment. Since most people don't listen to music at home in a perfectly silent environment I think it makes a lot of sense to just keep a song within a reasonable range which usually is louder (when you push the peaks to 0db) than -14. I'm usually more at -10 or -8 depending on the genre.
@BenedictRoffMarsh
@BenedictRoffMarsh 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe it is a case of becoming so acclimated to un-dynamic material that when you hear it, it feels wrong. Growing up on dynamic material, I find records with much less than ~12db Crest really hard to listen to without feeling hammered (and I don't mean in a boozy Sat'day nite sort of way).
@xphorm
@xphorm 3 жыл бұрын
I commented similarily along these lines up there...
@uptobatentertainment
@uptobatentertainment 3 жыл бұрын
Music is loud AF now lol You need proper speakers and amplification to recreate the SPL that’s inherit in all music. My barefoot sound monitors are calibrated to 85 dB SPL C weighted & at that level modern full scale music playback is Loud AF sitting w/ in a 3-6 ft mix triangle! Even a massive synth preset at -12dbfs will make you say WTF! My monitor controller is at calibrated at 79dB SPL & 85 dB SPL for K system type monitoring. Can’t mix or master what you can’t hear 😩
@solkompleksowa444
@solkompleksowa444 3 жыл бұрын
@@tmpressure1472 to make bohemian rhapsody listenable in these conditions a compressor is the way not a limiter, although some limiters tend to compress when driven too hard, the newest master of Oasis' Champagne Supernova is a perfect example
@Pinkybum
@Pinkybum 3 жыл бұрын
I did some experimentation with KZbin's algorithm and the loudness level is also based on a short term component not only the overall integrated value so it is hard to "defeat" it with a dynamic mix.
@Mitsch76
@Mitsch76 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, the last minute of the video reveals the secret! Fantastic! That's how I will make it now! THX so much! Thumbs up, pal!
@FreddieFevens
@FreddieFevens 2 жыл бұрын
I have to say I'm always impressed with the quality of production and information in these videos. I can't praise it enough!
@ZeroDividesByYOU
@ZeroDividesByYOU 3 жыл бұрын
An excellent conclusion. Dan's right you know, if you want people to listen with great dynamic range but still get the excitement out of the parts that SHOULD be exciting, then make it so that they can't RESIST!
@theaustinmax
@theaustinmax Жыл бұрын
due to the quality of what was explained and demonstrated here, including the advice/wisdom at the end, i had little choice but to locate the 'volume up' button and watch it through again. 👍🏻
@sartoriusrock
@sartoriusrock 2 жыл бұрын
The background music Dan produced for this (and part 1) is my favorite “Dan Worrall stock music” I’ve heard. Dan, any chance of releasing any of it?
@lamentistriangle281
@lamentistriangle281 2 жыл бұрын
They're released. You can find those one streaming platforms by searching Dan Worrall's new album 'Impostor Syndrome'. And also, digital sale option is present. Overall loudness is higher than -14 LUFS though :) kzbin.info/aero/PLNNHQbT3rbzVi4HE5fqfuTdQl15pEdUt7
@ghfjfghjasdfasdf
@ghfjfghjasdfasdf 3 жыл бұрын
Quality Amps provide all the gain one could ever dream of. I lived through the Loudness Wars and it was brutal... still is.
@ZonkerRoberts
@ZonkerRoberts 2 жыл бұрын
My understanding of the "loudness war" was that it originated with the A&R departments of record labels in the days of CD demos. The A&R people would get countless demos from bands around the world, all on CD, and would listen to them relatively quickly, going from one demo disc to another without changing settings their audio system (time is money and all that). Under this scenario it behooves any band to try to get the maximum perceived loudness from every track - it'll just sound "better" compared to the other bands submitting CD's. Personally, I'm not convinced that many A&R people really did work this way, but I know for a fact that a lot of bands and producers were *convinced* they did. Hence the loudness wars. Anyone have any real information to share on this matter?
@spurv
@spurv 2 жыл бұрын
Back in the 90's, some shops had a CD "stand", loaded with multiple CD's from different artists. You then put headphones on, and skipped between artists and songs. In this scenario, loudness mattered. I'm talking from personal experience. When skipping between my bands debut album, and Smashing Pumpkins, the difference in loudness was real ... and kind of depressing. 😄
@bakerbakerbaker305
@bakerbakerbaker305 2 жыл бұрын
well that’s what I think is that when you play back any track on your sound system it should sound good at a common volume, I believe this if it’s all mastered to the same standards it should all have the same perceived loudness, the problem is getting to that loudness when making a track it’s not easy balancing all types of instruments
@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios
@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios 3 жыл бұрын
Dan, you are KING! Thank you!
@electreelife
@electreelife Жыл бұрын
The music in all your videos is simply amazing…❤ like a cherry on top.
@ThisMichaelBrown
@ThisMichaelBrown 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent....most of my favorite albums (even from the 1980s) had relatively high dynamic ranges ....and those are the ones I spent a ton of time listening to... Fun to crank them up....dynamic = fun and exciting to turn up! And they do not fatigue you....SPACE is paramount. Thanks for all the great content. (Moderation runs through the universe as a golden rule). 14 LUFS is a reasonable new standard. I may even try some LUFS 18's when I fully mature....ha
@seazenbones6945
@seazenbones6945 3 жыл бұрын
Just watched it again. Excellent video. Thanks.
@RaffaeleSansone
@RaffaeleSansone 3 жыл бұрын
Paraphrasing Steve Albini's words, when you make a record you're creating something that is going to outlive you. So focus on making it sound good rather than adapting to whatever the current playback standard is, because in 30 years Spotify might not be even a thing anymore.
@OryonMurtomaki
@OryonMurtomaki Жыл бұрын
sooooo incredible. So much power in all of this! thank you thank you thank you!
@jacobharley7117
@jacobharley7117 3 жыл бұрын
Nobody talking about the banger of a BG track in this video?!
@WulfX
@WulfX 3 жыл бұрын
man, the conclusion of this video made me tear up. So beautiful.
@KingGrio
@KingGrio 3 жыл бұрын
The only counter argument I have about "the user will turn up the volume" is hand-held devices: on earphones hooked up to smartphones, you can't turn it arbitrarily loud, so KZbin or Spotify restricting levels does in fact, limit how loud a user can crank things in his ears. On one hand it's a protection measure for the user, but on the other if these arbitrary levels are picked carelessly (like say -23dB LUFS as I think is recommended by the those defining the EBU R128 standard in Geneva) then listeners won't be able to enjoy music as loud as they'd like to until they get home and get their hands on a more powerful amplification system. And if you've created a mix that's too quiet while everyone is trying to listen on their earbuds at maximum level anyway, then you're left behind
@joechapman8208
@joechapman8208 3 жыл бұрын
[edit] Never mind, sorry: I misunderstood what you were saying!
@karayuschij
@karayuschij Жыл бұрын
Excellent! I like the knob to set up or down the volume ;)
@canozano
@canozano 3 жыл бұрын
İs there any info about the radio broadcast loudness standarts ?
@TT-md7mm
@TT-md7mm 3 жыл бұрын
Dan Worrall's voice is god tier for narration, js...we might have a new contender for the "Why would you like to narrate your life" narrative.
@Projektor_music
@Projektor_music Жыл бұрын
those vocals at the end of the video are such a nice way to emphisize such an important point! I'd love to know what kind of processing is happening there!
@wowflower
@wowflower 3 жыл бұрын
worth the wait from part 1. thank you dan and fabilter homies!!
@hanswurst737
@hanswurst737 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, this video is so good. It contains so much useful detailed information.
@vibhassawar9116
@vibhassawar9116 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliantly executed!
@ReynWeird
@ReynWeird Жыл бұрын
A lot of these questions have been bothering me for a long time. Thanks for the explanation!
@poindextertunes
@poindextertunes 2 жыл бұрын
this channel has such a “How Its Made” vibe 🔥
@forsale313
@forsale313 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the simple honest truth. I'll turn it up if I want it "Louder"!
@DevonSpittleREAL
@DevonSpittleREAL 3 жыл бұрын
Such a great ending 👍🏻👍🏻. Well done
@davidhayman9330
@davidhayman9330 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Dan, these two videos have been SO helpful to understand the whole issue and how we should approach loudness when mastering!
@jasonmcculloch5321
@jasonmcculloch5321 3 жыл бұрын
This is Gold Jerry, Gold!
@Deltarious
@Deltarious 2 жыл бұрын
In a way your final point is quite profound. I don't like listening to things that are loud, in fact for most of the people who watched this they would probably say I listen to things extremely quietly, but if something is exceptionally good even I will still turn it up somewhat, close to the maximum I can tolerate at the time
@nectariosm
@nectariosm 3 жыл бұрын
@12:10 yes and as you walk on stage the DJ is already in the reds...or right under the reds if they don't need to "redline to headline". -6LUFS is pretty much normal in dance music still, unfortunately.
@shorerocks
@shorerocks 3 жыл бұрын
I am holding so much thoughts, I am getting dizzy. Wonderful video. Instant classic!
@SonicConstruction
@SonicConstruction 3 жыл бұрын
watched both of these as they were not a hard sell or gimmicky OTT, just educational. Nice video thanks
@noak_g
@noak_g Жыл бұрын
I love your content! You provide such wisdom. Thanks.
@woosix7735
@woosix7735 3 жыл бұрын
I always wondered why people were taking about “how songs are getting louder.” It seamed a little strange to me because I thought that loudness was always relative to playback devices and listening preferences and other external factors, so how can songs be louder or quieter if the listener can just change the volume? Turns out, they kinda can’t. Very cool video series
@QNEGRO1
@QNEGRO1 3 жыл бұрын
If you listen to any old audio CD's I'd say pre 1991/1993ish compared to CD's today then yeah the older ones sound quieter.
@AutPen38
@AutPen38 2 жыл бұрын
And if you grew up listening to vinyl and CDs but now you listen to Spotify, the remastered versions of your old favourites often sound horrible, because they were remastered to compete with more modern/louder stuff. Sometimes, however, it has to be said, the remastered versions sound louder and better, but as someone that preferred a wider dynamic range I usually find that remasters are "squished" a bit too much, particularly on the low bitrate versions of Spotify and KZbin.
@rushhour7131
@rushhour7131 2 жыл бұрын
great video! amazing conclusion
@robertsyrett1992
@robertsyrett1992 3 жыл бұрын
I love this channel, the content is so well edited and thoughtfully written.
@jpnavarromusic
@jpnavarromusic 2 жыл бұрын
The end made me smile. What a simple but brilliant conclusion. Thanks for all this information :)
@Stormsurf001
@Stormsurf001 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial Dan as always. Thanks a million!
@willlemaster6219
@willlemaster6219 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, that's the way to do it. Thanks, Dan!
@tegan333
@tegan333 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! you are the industry standard Dan
@nikonemiksaboljeodmene
@nikonemiksaboljeodmene 3 жыл бұрын
you made my eyes tear with a big smile on my face at the end, thanks for that :)
@CxViolet
@CxViolet 3 жыл бұрын
I love the sentiment! But I can't help but wonder... I just put out a song that sits a little quieter than it's 'pier songs' similar style/genre. When it comes up in the playlist it always seems to sit just slightly lower volume than the song prior. Do you think people will be more likely to skip over the song (especially within the first couple seconds) because of this??
@richardthelionheart01
@richardthelionheart01 3 жыл бұрын
Is your song mastered?
@CxViolet
@CxViolet 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardthelionheart01 yes!
@granite_planet
@granite_planet 3 жыл бұрын
If it sounds quieter, it doesn't sound as good. And some people _will_ skip it. I've found the same happen with my songs on Spotify, for some reason they just don't sound quite as loud as big labels' productions even though the LUs should be fine...
@XRaym
@XRaym 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video ! Note that normalizing manually is not possible in lot of places like public spaces.
@adwind3055
@adwind3055 2 жыл бұрын
Great Video('s). Thanks for the mass of information.
@TuningFreak23
@TuningFreak23 Жыл бұрын
Oh man, all the wasted hours and now I find this gem
@oortone
@oortone Жыл бұрын
Excellent video!
@mbliss01
@mbliss01 3 жыл бұрын
Clear, concise info. Just the facts, no waffling. Thanks for that.
@sutusmihaly
@sutusmihaly Жыл бұрын
..awesome videos from you!!! 🙂
@laxerscooter1448
@laxerscooter1448 3 жыл бұрын
Been checking every day on the page for this
@michal.ochedowski
@michal.ochedowski 3 жыл бұрын
Learned so much, laughed a little at the end. The answer was right there in front of us.
@Link15269
@Link15269 9 ай бұрын
Loved this!
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