Fables and Folktales: The Snow Queen

[@CatHasOpinions734]

Honestly the snow queen feels like a young kid who found a stray animal they liked. "He followed me home, so I'm going to keep him! We're going to play fun games and I'm sure I won't accidentally get him killed by not knowing what I'm doing - Hey why are you turning blue?"

[@CJCroen1393]

New headcanon.

[@savannahs.5874]

This has always been my interpretation but In the version I read, by the time she kissed him the first time his heart was already halfway frozen (if you got a mirror peice in the heart your heart would turn into a block of ice and youd die) and her kiss didnt necessarily stop the ice from spreading but did make him not feel cold anymore (potential reference to this by Disney with "the cold never bothered me anyway") when she kisses him a second time he forgets everything but now only sees the ice queen as a beautiful woman rather than, well, an ice lady.(I think she did this so he wouldnt miss his friends, family, home, ect. Since the flowery lady did the same thing) She intentionally doesn't kiss him a 3rd time stating that if she were to do so he'd die.(this suggests to me that she doesnt wish any harm towards him) So I always interpreted this as her saving his life in a way, and she just plopped him in the ice castle till someone could thaw his heart. I also personally interpreted the whole eternity puzzle thing as her not knowing how to entertain a child so she just gave him that to keep him preoccupied while she worked.

[@irisdovera7500]

@@savannahs.5874 I need the link to this fanfic. Focusing on the snow queen.

[@savannahs.5874]

@@irisdovera7500 lol, I read it when I was in middle school so it belonged to the schools library but I'll look online to see if they have the same version

[@Artrysa]

It always struck me a lot more malicious. Give him a puzzle that entrances him so much that he doesn't notice he's slowly dying. Strikes me as a very fairy thing to do.

[@dylantennant6594]

White Witch: So what did you to bribe him with, Turkish delight? Snow Queen: Nope. The dumbass just got in, no bribery. White Witch: I hate you!

[@janaterbio8010]

Welll~ If the White Witch just had some form of self-confidence than maybe she could have snatched a child without needing to bribe

[@carlosroo5460]

I bet the witch must have gone berserk when she learned that the queen wasn't eaten by a lion messiah in the end.

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

800th like

[@dylantennant6594]

@@MASTEROFEVIL Danke Shon.

[@mr.stomatopoda]

@SpicyToast Just disliked the comment, now go be cursed somewhere else.

[@quartzintherough]

"Don't follow beautiful women into blizzards" You can't fucking stop me

[@thescrapsmith446]

Same

[@thundergozon6439]

I mean, if she's so perfect that Mr. double shard thinks she's beautiful

[@derskalde4973]

Just don't. With todays globalism, it could be one of the Snow Women from japanese folklore.

[@Maria.Annette]

NOBODY CAN STOP US FROM GETTING THE MURDER SNOW GIRLFRIEND OF OUR DREAMS!!!

[@derskalde4973]

@@thundergozon6439 That leads to an interesting question. Was the Snow Queen just so evil and without any good, so the shards had nothing to turn ugly? Or was she just... not? Like, was she neither evil nor good, neither dead nor alive, just pure neutral, so the shards didn't register her because she gave them nothing to work with?

[@AdeptArcanist]

To be fair, it almost sounds like the snow Queen wasn’t even evil so much as just… some magic woman who REALLY didn’t understand how children work?

[@swordofstabbingold]

or frostbite.

[@desreploid3353]

@@swordofstabbingold Well, if your whole schtick is being made of ice, and you can't really feel the cold yourself, would you actually know what frostbite even is?

[@videogollumer]

She's supposed to be a force of nature; thus, yes, she is neutral, despite being the main antagonist.

[@Cheezbuckets]

An extremely powerful magic being discovers a child stowaway on her sleigh and just kinda rolls with it. I mean, she could have just left him in the middle of nowhere, but at least she put in the effort of taking him home and giving him a puzzle to work on until someone came to pick him up!

[@sorarouge6351]

@DavidM "(666)🎑😈"

[@TheMewtata]

I feel like the snow Queen not being all that present is purposeful. She’s not a villain in the traditional way; she’s just a dangerous presence. She barely even kidnaps the kid; he comes of his own accord, and she just doesn’t care enough to return him. The real villain is the mirror shards; something INSIDE Kay. Gerta is essentially rescuing him from himself.

[@Shapeshifting_Nerd]

Which is so beautiful at least I think so.... In one version I read he also made friends with the bad bullying young boys from the village. All in all the story boils down to a love one can save u from ur own self-made doom by bad life decisions.

[@sammyvictors2603]

She was technically a member of the Fair Folk, not evil but dangerous.

[@koatam]

I personally think that she may have known what was wrong with him. The stuff with the puzzle may have been part of some strange spell to cure him.

[@valletas]

Kinda reminds me of the evil gambler trope Like the guy that play poker in a bar for your soul or more years to be alive They are always treated as bad guys but the rules are always clear if you play against him you will gain more life and if you lose you will well lose life Always felt like these guys never were evil only exeption ive seen is d'arby from jojo

[@Visplight]

Yeah, she's just kinda like "Okay, sure, you can come with me and stay if you like," but she's not what's keeping him there.

[@whatalsaid]

The snow queen was barely in the story. That's like if Frozen had Elsa plastered all over the DVD cover, but the main character is actually her sister or something...wait a minute....

[@SunScourge]

I love the original Snow Queen and was always rather peeved Frozen is something so altogether different, but at least they got that right XD

[@joybreegaming8781]

@@SunScourge it was originally going to be closer to the classic fairy tale but apparently the test audience didn’t like anna killing her sister in the end

[@joybreegaming8781]

@Eric Lee yea well Disney decided it would be better if originally Elsa died at the end

[@JCGver]

@@joybreegaming8781 Yeah can't have a female disney character that isn't defined by the guy she loves, now can we?

[@joybreegaming8781]

@@JCGver nope of course not that would be progress and we can’t have change in this world

[@evelynlewis122]

Gerda kissing away his frostbite is relevant because the Snow Queen gave him the frostbite by kissing him at the beginning of the story

[@Bluegirl12345]

An act of true love will thaw a frozen heart

[@kaycelee6066]

@@Bluegirl12345 isnt that a frozen quote?

[@Bluegirl12345]

@@kaycelee6066 Yep

[@meloneatingwolf1882]

But uh, I understand a Snow Queen giving someone a frost bite from a kiss but, how is Gerda supposed to do that?

[@faliqaf.2062]

@@meloneatingwolf1882 the gal summoned spear wielding angels from her breath, you really think thawing a frostbite from a magical kiss doesn't make sense in the context of the story lmao

[@asterism343]

Kay not realizing he's freezing because he's focusing so hard on the puzzle is concerningly relatable

[@bubblebubble7494]

My adhd ass whilst hyperfocusing on what ever random history typing seems sexy to my brain this month

[@craytherlaygaming2852]

@@bubblebubble7494 adhd bro's rise up!

[@Blwbelle]

@@bubblebubble7494 😅

[@Grim_Sister]

Kay has ADHD confirmed

[@Nerdnumberone]

​@@Grim_Sister It seems like evil mirror shards have the side effect of causing ADHD symptoms. That wasn't the only thing it did, however. I don't want to go SJW, but is this story demonizing the neurodivergent? "Someone is more interested in math than girls? Obviously he is being corrupted by demonic magic and needs to be fixed." I'm probably reading too much into this.

[@Diego-zz1df]

Disney: "Our princesses are so pure, animals follow their every command" HCA: "My MC girl is so pure, her voice can bend reality to fit her needs and her breath can turn into angelic warriors to slaughter her enemies."

[@DukeMemes6047]

Its official, Gerda is Dragonborn

[@Falkenhorst2000]

@@DukeMemes6047 Holy shit...

[@soccerlover12horses]

@@DukeMemes6047 ite, who's gonna make a Snow Queen mod? I'll help

[@life_got_real_boring1482]

So like JoJo?

[@distressedcondiments3113]

Original character, do not steal

[@nehb1332]

"A crow lands nearby and asks if she's okay, officially winning him the coveted gold medal for most responsible adult in the story"

[@ethansolomon2126]

over the garden wall

[@vaughnjohnson8767]

Well something’s Gotta be the adult

[@mirjanbouma]

I am slightly disappointed that the crow didn't get that medal. Although I suppose a cushy place in a palace is good too.

[@sb-lx2dt]

@@ethansolomon2126 the _original_ into the unknown

[@fedrikrose2277]

Red 15th of January 2021

[@Volvith]

"Gerda kisses away his frostbite... Just... Just go with it..." _I mean she summoned warrior angels with her breath, is this really supposed to be surprising?_

[@alakazamlover4908]

your not...wrong

[@donnguyen1107]

True love’s kiss

[@alakazamlover4908]

@@donnguyen1107 I think this legend was before that was a staple

[@LuperisNone]

@@alakazamlover4908, *you're

[@alakazamlover4908]

@@LuperisNone k

[@alexie832]

Fun fact: the two ladies Gerda met before she found the Snow Queen's palace are the Sami woman and the Finnish woman. This means Gerda traveled all the way from Denmark(?) to the Lapland region of Finland.

[@Sglagoomio]

No wonder why they went through P U B E R T Y without even realizing

[@moonshonemeadow]

Sami are in Norway, Sweden, Russia areas, up north

[@babassoonist557]

@@moonshonemeadow are you correcting him? The Sami are from the Laplands it’s literally the Scandinavian name for Sápmi

[@moonshonemeadow]

@@babassoonist557 Oh right, _from_ Denmark into the Laplands. I thought the guy meant the Sami was in Denmark. I guess I got confused since the story said river

[@Jackster8484]

didn't Red also say that the snow queens castle was in Spitsbergen aka the biggest island in the Svalbard archipelago. So more north then mainland fenno-scandia

[@hemrainsford6920]

I love The Snow Queen. Red's synopsis is accurate, however the little details all throughout the book just makes it better!!! For example, the part with the old lady has more detail in the actual story because the lady knew that Gerda lived near a garden full of Roses, and she knew if Gerda would see roses, her spell would be broken, so she magically buries the roses in her garden and it was a rose pattern on the lady's hat that jogged Gerda's memory. Also the only reason the roses knew Kay wasn't dead was because they had lived magically underground due to the lady's spell and they did not see him buried. This isn't much of a spoiler, only more details of that part of the story. This book is so good! It's full of so many more details that make it entertaining and it's a personal favorite

[@plantinapot9169]

That makes more sense, I thought that part was a little dumb but that’s actually pretty smart

[@dedf15]

It's always fun when plant life gains sentience and starts having conversations with people. Henry Crabgrass comes to mind lolp

[@TiroDvD]

She also just skips out totally on the Laplander and the Finnlander as just "two old ladies". At the time of writing Laplanders were the only people in the world to have domesticated caribou/reindeer, which is why the reindeer goes to them. Because it's his home. There are also funny bits about since they are basically entering the Ends of the World--like the home of the Graeae in Greek myth--their cottage is extremely cozy. So cozy the Finn wears an Ice Box cube on her head to keep from passing out and puts one on Gerta as well for the same reason. Edit: I think I now realize he's describing the Finn's house as a sauna.

[@hemrainsford6920]

@@TiroDvD Yeah, I just reread this story and the Finn Woman's house had no door and was definitely a sauna! The woman was wearing close to nothing too ... also the ice block went on the reindeer's head while Gerda had to take off her mittens and boots.

[@hemrainsford6920]

@@dedf15 Those flowers in the stories goes off on TANGENTS! 🤣 They act like the butterfly in The Last Unicorn, singing only about the story that they've heard. Except they only have one story they keep over the many the butterfly had.

[@skycaptain39]

"The mirror exaggerates your worst aspects and minimize your best" Oh so a normal mirror, got it

[@GameGod77]

I look great in a normal mirror. MY PHONE CAMERA ON THE OTHER HAND...

[@gintautassickus6390]

You mean a phone camera?

[@peerc30]

And it will stop you seeing good

[@samurguy9906]

@@GameGod77 yeah mirrors are fine. It’s on camera where I look like an awkward creep.

[@Tustin2121]

Right, so, how do I get these mirror shard out of me then? Are we sure this didn’t happen from birth? Do we diagnose this mirror-shard-ness as anxiety and depression now because we lost the method of extracting these shards??

[@ButterflyScarlet]

*Red:* are there no parents in this town? *Me:* Look, the parents in fairytales are either dead, evil, or neglectful. Gerda isn't missing out on anything.

[@k.5425]

True😂. And anime and nickelodeon shows.

[@DarkestElemental616]

I mean, Gerda lived with her grandma.

[@isaacgraff8288]

In fairy tales, and 99% of literature, being a mother is the single most dangerous occupation.

[@ButterflyScarlet]

@@isaacgraff8288 Fairytales be like "what is this, a happy, healthy, non-abusive mother? Get that shit outta here, the fuck do you think this is?"

[@zeeb2190]

@@ButterflyScarlet don't forget alive

[@Sock-Puppet]

To be honest, here, the snow queen doesn't even look all that antagonistic, she was just kinda "Oh you're cool, you can come with me" and besides, who doesn't have an army of monsters living and guarding their house?

[@avidreader4140]

I mean she is a queen after all bound to have some treasure that she doesn't want to get stolen.

[@Prodigi50]

She kinda kidnapped a young boy though...

[@hedgehog3180]

Well in another version of the story she actually planted the shards and they're made of ice, they are then removed when the heat from Gerda melts them.

[@kaiserhundkek2531]

Kaiserhund: +you find a random child stowed away in your trunk, of course your gonna bring them home and call the police yo report a found child, the snow queen just forgot that police don't exist yet.

[@Dr_stevia]

“huh? you wanna come with me? Ok solve this puzzle”

[@ButterflyScarlet]

I love how the Snow Queen isn't even evil. She's just there. Like, she's a fey. Kidnapping isn't really a crime to them, especially since Kay did tie himself to her sleigh and then agreed to come with her. The worst thing she did was not notice him slowly catching frostbite over a puzzle, and to be fair Kay didn't notice either.

[@hemrainsford6920]

To be honest, I think in the book the Snow Queen doesn't have the same feeling of cold as other people do. It's still not great, just like you said, but if this woman didn't even think it was cold....she probably didn't know frostbite was a thing

[@ButterflyScarlet]

@@hemrainsford6920 *The Snow Queen:* it's one human child, how cold can they get, like -30C? *Some other faerie:* yeah that sounds right

[@youstink6753]

yeah I get that Kay did agree to come with her but like he's just a kid children's brains aren't as complex as adults and he probably just saw a pretty woman with cool ice powers and just went with her also IRL most kidnappers trick children into coming with them by giving them sweets and stuff to gain their trust and make it look like they agreed to go with them so she technically did kidnap him

[@ButterflyScarlet]

@@youstink6753 yeah but like, she's not human. Faeries and folk creatures explicitly don't follow human rules of morality or hospitality. It's cultural differences on a greater scale because they aren't even human. Basically, holding the personification of ice and winter to human standards of morality is an exercise in futility. Kay ran off with her. It's equally likely she just took him home like how some people find a puppy on the side of the road and go "oh, cool, mine now"

[@youstink6753]

@@ButterflyScarlet well then going by your logic wouldn't that mean gods/goddess can do whatever they want with humans because they don't follow human morals and that Zeus has every right to cheat on Hera and Hera has every right to murder Zeus's lovers because murder and cheating are seen as bad by human standards? and since they "don't follow human rules of morality and hospitality" then cheating and murdering is normal?

[@smolangelo9969]

Gerda: *BREATHES* Everyone: "Understandable, have a great day."

[@phoneticsoup1701]

"Ok, so how many angels?"

[@krzysztofsomian4956]

@@phoneticsoup1701 legion as always

[@danieljames1868]

Heaven: "okay we didn't mean for this to happen but it's kinda our fault, have some angels pro-bono"

[@johnwebb2736]

I like the part about the smart, bored princess getting a husband. It was so sweet and so random part of the story.

[@GeorgeKinsill]

The soon to be prince was probably the author self insert character

[@dedf15]

And very forward thinking of Anderson as well. She just wasn't into her suitors cause they just didn't have anything interesting to say besides "You're really pretty".

[@kasiaandrzejewska4474]

@@GeorgeKinsill don't think so he was gay from what i know

[@kasiaandrzejewska4474]

@Eric Lee he might be bi i know that he had a male lover (to whom he in leters wrote Ariel as a metaphore for gay love) so he might be gay or bi

[@kampfh7150]

Not having read The Snow Queen, but having been brought up on H. C. Andersen stories, that to me sounds like "Clumsy Hans" (Klods Hans), a story about a "simple" and generally well meaning young man, stumbling into a situation where a lot of dudes was proposing to a princess, whom thought they all were boring, till she met Hans, who was weird, rode in on a pig, covered in mud and funny. Andersen, and later composers, really liked making small nods to his previous works

[@inari8039]

This actually ended pretty good for being a Hans Christian Andersen story

[@admiraloscar3320]

WOW, the MC didn't die!

[@rimfire8217]

H.C.A. Was famous for his tragedies that were kinda based off his Real love life.

[@katielinzie7444]

@@rimfire8217 Yeah. The prince in the Little Mermaid, the nightingale from the story of the same name, and I swear I heard the Snow Queen someplace we’re all based on real people Hans Christian Andersen loved.

[@hedgehog3180]

Well actually all H.C. Andersen stories end happily because the main characters went to heaven, and this is absolutely what he intended. Also if you read his entire output the ones where the main characters die are actually in the minority and are outnumbered by the almost hundreds of small cute stories.

[@breadman9211]

@@hedgehog3180 yeah, i seem to remember that while the little mermaid did die, she turned to sea foam and tramsported dead children to the afterlife. Tho i do know some much worse than that (one where a man was too timid so his shadow took over his whole life) the majority weren't bad enough to traumatize 8 year old me

[@Wade.Stikmann]

"If you have problems, try crying." Is honestly such good advice. Crying is so good for your brain. The headache is worth it sometimes.

[@anonymousfellow8879]

@Wade Stikman just sip some gatorade to deal with the Dehydrated Now side of the headache xD

[@Wade.Stikmann]

@@anonymousfellow8879 SO THAT'S WHY :O Thank you Anonymous Fellow (and great name too btw).

[@legoworksstudios1]

Not bad advice. If I'm feeling some type of way, I just go to sad songs to do it for me. Disturbed's version of "The Sound of Silence" is legendary.

[@anonymousfellow8879]

@Wade Stikman NP! Crying uses A LOT of water/electrolytes (why tears taste salty and sometimes leave tracks, and heck even the snot that sometimes gets expelled, too), so it’s a good idea to replace it if your stomach can handle having stuff hit it The Face Ache, though, because those muscles scrunch up and your eyes swell from losing tears...cool damp cloth. It won’t fix all of it. But it’ll give some relief and feel soothing Crying’s Important for psychological release, but it also demands physiological aftercare to not feel even *worse* after (at least physically)

[@Wade.Stikmann]

@@anonymousfellow8879 You are a wonderful person. Thank you for explaining this to me :D

[@ericnunez8254]

“It’s like Santa, but backwards and also a crime.” - Red 2021

[@jondoe7036]

I mean isn't Santa's whole thing in the most of the English speaking world to break and enter people's homes to give them stuff?

[@gavinprestage7018]

Kinnda the opisete of that is santa

[@Rainears129]

I mean it there have been stories where Santa accidentally kidnapped a kid. Look at Buddy.

[@Logan_Roman]

Scrolling slowly reads comment as red says line

[@D00000T]

@@Rainears129 how do you accidentally kidnap someone?

[@mutantmaster1]

Disney Princess: can get animals to help with chores by singing Gerda: psh, casuals

[@erichfiedler1481]

Anna: I feel robbed of pure awesomeness, why couldn't my pureness produce a Stand? Elsa: I'm so glad I wasn't just some random title character that gets adaptational villainy Other Disney Princesses:😭😭 WE'RE NOT WORTHY!!!😭😭 😡😡You Mary Sue😡😡

[@beboparc2378]

I don’t even need to sing and god himself will PERSONALLY assist me with anything

[@austinschwartz7424]

actually in the book it explicitly says that her ignorance of her power is what gives it strength if she ever found out she would lose her innocence and her power.

[@todddempsey1277]

Girl can summon Fucking Warrior Angels! She wins.

[@annaemcnultyshorts7668]

💕💕💕🙏🙏🙏

[@daniellesmith7515]

The whole Snow Queen part kind of feels like set up for a sequel. She's gonna come home, totally unaware of the plot, find the puzzle solved and the boy she tasked with solving it missing. WTF happens if she tries to keep her promise to Kay?

[@Pollicina_db]

I remember two endings for that 1. She actually melted down from Gerdas love for Kay and 2. She was actually a spring fairy under a spell (idk if that has anything to do with the mirror shards). Idk why Red didn't mention this. I'm gonna give you an update cuz I'm going to re read the fairytale soon.

[@jenniferschillig3768]

@@Pollicina_db In the Faerie Tale Theatre version from the eighties (you know, that show created by Shelley Duvall that featured adaptations of famous fairy tales with lots of big-name actors, directors, and writers), the Snow Queen was a GOOD GUY, rescuing Kai and keeping him safe at her palace while she tried to get him to spell "eternity", which would help him remember what was important in life.

[@Pollicina_db]

@@jenniferschillig3768 Ohhhhhhh never heard of that one, sounds really interesting and it's good plot twist

[@edenmckinley3472]

True. Disturbing, interesting, awesome, and true.

[@questworldiangreenknight7455]

Oh boy...

[@longdeadchannel8311]

When you’re trying to get closure but the Sun says “no”.

[@luminocuratoria1335]

The sun is a deadly lazer.

[@pleaseenteraname6590]

Fucking Apollo

[@PrinzschwartzchHeisenburger]

@@luminocuratoria1335 Not anymore there's a blanket.

[@shinsenshogun900]

Fucking Icarus

[@MAX-xd4uz]

I didn't get the joke Edit: ooohhhhhh i get it

[@auzpayeur8229]

I was just thinking about how modern most “old” fairy tales are. Some like Cinderella are based in extremely old traditions, sure, but Hans Christian Andersen was making new stories through the 1840s. The Gingerbread Man was written in 1875. Peter Pan was written in 1911 and it’s still technically under copyright

[@louckykoneko]

if you really want to get technical, Urban Legends, especially Cryptids like Bigfoot, Sasquatch and Mothman, are technically the fairytales of the 21st century.

[@Fafnd]

Ah Peter Pan is in the public domain, that's how disney was able to "acquire" it for a movie.

[@charlesb-b993]

Peter Pan is actually a complicated situation, in the U.K. it’s under copyright because the money goes to great ormond street hospital for children

[@keinkanal7382]

the collection of german folk tales by the brothers grimm also only is 200ish years old, tho the stories that the brothers grimm based their collection off are much older.

[@instanttregret]

Cant wait for LOTR to reach fairy tale status

[@reaperlou8649]

I love how gerda looks cosmically stressed out in like half the frames.

[@EvilRaccoonDM]

Wouldn't you be if you're best friend disappeared and you were searching for them for fucking years

[@bloodstoneore4630]

I mean, fair

[@l30ng62]

Pretty realistic if you ask me

[@merrittanimation7721]

It really helps make you feel for her. She gets helped by basically no skill of her throughout most of the story but the way it's presented makes her an actual character.

[@thatcoffee]

Homegirl deserves a break

[@spartan5018]

Now I can’t stop thinking about Dwayne the rock Johnson in a luxurious white dress and wig just strutting around as the snow queen. Thank you red

[@diegolunar7022]

I mean, didn't he already played the tooth fairy in one dumb, kids movie?

[@spartan5018]

@@diegolunar7022 yes

[@thenamelessdragon]

@@diegolunar7022 This is ages late but I'm pretty sure that was actually Vin Diesel. Valid mistake though, bald, white(ish) ex-fighters is a very confusing genre of actors filled with way too many people

[@michaellarose4913]

@@thenamelessdragon it was Dwaynethe rock johnson. his name is litterally in the credits as the tooth fairy, or whatever the name character is...... ALSO, DWAYNE WASN'T BALD WHEN HE PLAYED THE TOOTH FAIRY. he still had hair.

[@thenamelessdragon]

@@michaellarose4913 You're right, I think I got confused with The Pacifier which was a Vin Diesel movie... I hope. If it isn't I'll lose all credibility

[@jewelthejaguar742]

"If you're having problems, try crying." Surprisingly solid advice.

[@interrexclamacion]

I misread this as cycling, which is also strong advice.

[@jewelthejaguar742]

@@interrexclamacion lol yea I suppose that works for some people XD

[@FaeriePrince]

Well, the purpose of crying is to flush out excess chemicals. As I like to say, "Crying is your body fixing a chemical imbalance in your brain." (Seriously,I say that a lot)

[@okuyasuniijimura]

@@FaeriePrince of course you do

[@jewelthejaguar742]

@Eric Lee just think of all the things that make you upset, and let it all out :)

[@rebellerene]

is no one going to talk about how the prince's eyes and princess' hair are colored green and pink respectively because they are functionally gerda's fairy godparents?

[@bluedragon3657]

Aaaaahhhhhhh I didn't realize this until you said it 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@krzysztofsomian4956]

Honestly right now The Fairly OddParents come to my mind

[@kitsunefirefox1986]

Wands & Wings Corvid assistant things!

[@ztellarvibrationz8753]

Yus

[@thesquishedelf1301]

That is genius

[@blazerheata6479]

"Moral of the story is don't follow beautiful women into blizzards" Me: I didn't know this was a japanese folklore as well.

[@shanedoesyoutube8001]

Except not the case for yuki onna (snow woman) From what I read in Wikipedia (specifically the one by Lafkadio Hearn, a Greek writer who moved to Japan as Koizumi Yakumo), there were these two woodcutters, one a young man, and another an elderly. One winter they were stuck in a snowstorm. They found a random hut in the mountain and decided to rest there Then one evening, the youngster woke up to find a yuki onna in their room. She froze the old man to death (probably cuz ok boomer) and was going to freeze the zoomer next. But then she spared him on pretense of "damn son, I coulda killed you too had you not been such a hot boi. I can't waste away such a beauty. Tell you what, if you don't tell anyone about me and this shit, I'll keep you living. F*k you laterrrrrr..." Years later, that dude met a random woman named Oyuki (yeah nahhh that's pretty sus, press the emergency button), and she was like "hey there, wanna go out with me???" Then the two dated and got married and fricced each other and lived for more decades raising their kids. For some reason, Oyuki didn't age. So that aging husband was like "funny... You looked the same since we first met. Long before we did I was out cutting wood with my grandpa (or granduncle) when we encountered a cold bitch, as gorgeous as you. She froze Gramps and almost did the same to me. I was unsure if I was trippin balls or that was a legit yuki onna who I remember said something like fuk you later..." Then Oyuki was like "youuu motherfffukka, I am the cold bitch. I told you that as long as you didn't tell anyone of me and that shit, I'll keep you living!!! Now what... I can't freeze your lips down your dick cuz you gotta take care of our children. Do that for me will ya??? Cuz I'm signing the divorce papers. Fuk you never..." And the yuki onna was never seen again

[@PrimordialNyx]

I will be honest with you chief...I'd totally do exactly that.

[@CW-xn1ot]

@@shanedoesyoutube8001 I've heard this story in many retellings but I think yours is my favorite due to the sheer informality of it paired with its accuracy

[@johntaxpayer2523]

froslass?

[@blazerheata6479]

@@shanedoesyoutube8001 Karen did not in fact, take the kids.

[@digifreak90]

So, am I the only one who wants to see a story where Gerda learns to harness her FREAKING WARRIOR ANGEL SUMMONING BREATH?

[@Pseudoknickname]

IIRC in the original story it's said that if Gerda learned about her innocence and power it will go away. Basically a glass cannon situation.

[@alakazamlover4908]

didnt the old lady literally spell it out to the reindeer in earshot of her?@@Pseudoknickname

[@annablaze4577]

She is a disney princess get over it

[@kingced741]

Modern fairy-tales are literally fucking novel and that kills me.

[@oleksandrtsapar082]

True

[@SonicGirlsGeek]

I think the illiterate peasants in Grimm's time would say the same thing

[@dovahkiin_brasil]

Hey, some novels are nice

[@emily_8687]

@@SonicGirlsGeek Not to be that person but the Grimms never actually spoke to the lower classes, most of their stories were collected from their middle class neighbours or taken from older collections. Also you may be surprised at the length and complexity of stories coming from illiterate/pre-lirate societies, for example the Iliad and the Odyssey 🙂

[@Fisinocean]

@@emily_8687 i'm pretty sure greek is literate? But i might be wrong

[@social_voidling]

This should’ve been titled “Gerda: The Walking Plot Armor”

[@chicken4222]

Yeah it should have.

[@Djinn_Entonic]

She has the power of God and anime by her side

[@DT-yw4ob]

She actually had several periods while travelling and going through puberty, but didn't even notice them because the sheer grace of god vaporized the blood as soon as it got out

[@undeadwolf5844]

Would've been more interesting story is she got a mirror shard in her.

[@epauletshark3793]

Dude, that's most of literature. Someone always has the plot armor.

[@novacorponline]

"Her disney princess powers that makes her so innocent and pure that everybody loves her and wants to help her out" When being a Mary Sue is an in-universe super power instead of a plot contrivance...

[@gameipedia]

mid to high level NG Cleric with high Cha and min-max diplomacy is pretty much this, just she only knows to cast speak with animals, speak with plants, and like 7th level summon monster for an angel/archon

[@MrMaradok]

@@gameipedia And somehow has a “Charm Person” aura that is so powerful, in some interactions of the story, it LITERALLY melts the Snow Queen, which subsequently brings back spring.

[@kiggerst]

Not as pure as the snow queen tho. If she was, kay wouldnt see a single flaw/evil/bad thing on her but he did and that's not the case with the queen

[@adamuffoletto7869]

Not gonna lie I would love a novel that's an explicit deconstruction of this. Take it to its logical extreme and toss in some actual human psychology and you have... (I realized this as I was typing it)... Eurus Holmes. Never mind...

[@estelle6528]

I don't even give a shit if gerda is a Mary sue, I'm just happy a female lead isn't treated like shit for once

[@tibfulv]

Suddenly I get where the inspiration for _The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe_ came from.

[@SharkSalesman90]

Yes Edmund and white witch have literally the same story. Except the witch was evil

[@ariesbrightstar3867]

@@SharkSalesman90 And there's... Wait for it... Wait for it... Turkish Delight.

[@coolgreenbug7551]

@@ariesbrightstar3867 I was expecting Jesus Lion but that works to

[@yobaugst3369]

@@ariesbrightstar3867 And Beavers...

[@videogollumer]

​@@yobaugst3369 And Lord of the Rings, except with animals and chimeric beasts.

[@CasualBrolyMain]

Gerda: is being stopped by some snow people Her 2 HOLY STANDS: looks like we’re killing snow people

[@ajizel13]

And what's there battle cry??? Either "muda muda muda" or "ora ora ora"

[@CasualBrolyMain]

@@ajizel13 AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, that hast to be it

[@Geheimnis-c2e]

AYAYAYA

[@zawsrdtygbhjimokpl6998]

@@ajizel13 maybe a song or hum but on fast forward

[@zeeb2190]

@@CasualBrolyMain no, The A-men is already their squad name

[@abikalin]

Disney fans: THIS ISNT LIKE FROZEN. Red: well no shit.

[@amandahealey2216]

Honestly, I'm surprised she threw a generic Disney joke instead of a Frozen one

[@JGuraan]

This is WAY better than Frozen! Why didn't Disney make this movie!?

[@abikalin]

@@JGuraan Exactly and it pains me every time. Like they could have had some really cool stuff thrown in there, but no.

[@ThePa1riot]

Uhhh Disney fan here. I never said it was. Although I do find it cool how much of the original story’s elements are in it. The shard in the heart like the frozen heart, the snow monsters guarding the ice palace, Kai counting fractals. I mean, I could hate Hercules for being a bad adaptation of the myths I love, but I might not love them to begin with if Hercules wasn’t made and if you watch that movie closely, it’s very clear they know the myths and in that way, it makes it fun to revisit and notice the things you didn’t see as a kid.

[@athestya]

@@JGuraan I think Walt wanted to make a Snow Queen cartoon but he never was able to

[@garrettrobinson3826]

Gerda: Everyone's Favorite Cleric

[@SadDayZzz]

Dude watch her one shot the bbeg

[@fist-of-doom487]

You joke but that’s pretty true she’s so pure and lovable the universe twists to please her. Animals speak to her, bandits turn around to help her, she can summon angels by asking God to help and her purity purges demonic mirror shards from a persons body.

[@marvalice3455]

@@SadDayZzz more like "get the bbeg to join her party"

[@CasualBrolyMain]

Yup

[@joelsasmad]

Race: Standard Human Class: Sorcerer(Divine Soul) 13/Bard(College of Eloquence) 7 Str 8 Dex 12 Con 14->16 Int 10 Wis 13->14 Cha 15->20 Spells: Speak With Animals, Speak with Plants, Conjure Celestial, Remove Curse She's a divine soul because she was born with notably holy seeming powers without really dedicating herself to god the way a cleric does. Didn't go with more levels of it as even 1 more and she would literally sprout angel wings. A bards whole thing is magic singing and as an eloquence bard she physically can't roll badly on attempts to convince people to help her. Maxing her charisma fuels her spellcasting and makes her even more the pure beacon of good everyone wants to help. I used the rest of her points to round out constitution and wisdom as she definitely needs the con to make it through the north pole without gloves or boots and I don't like odd numbers. In some versions of the tale she actually melts the snow queen with her purity and goodness, so some radiant damage spells would not be fully out of character.

[@brainnotfound337]

"She prayed. And her breath summons two spear-wielding angels that beat up the snow demons" So, she's a cleric, then (edit)

[@Attackontrashcan]

Nat 20

[@mitkitty]

Nah, a cleric using Divine Intervention

[@cosmic_poet7326]

Celestial Patron Warlock using a reflavoured „Summon Demon“

[@EVOKE7347]

@@cosmic_poet7326 A paladin or cleric casting Summon Celestial from Tasha's Cauldron would also work.

[@JaelinBezel]

Actually, because of this video, this is how I picture the 3rd level cleric spell Spirit Guardians.

[@shootapickl]

Red: Don't follow beautiful women into blizzards- Me, a big gay: -without grabbing a jacket first!

[@dietznuts8106]

Can't freeze to death if I'm always in heat~ *life hacks*

[@notwhenimreading2658]

Mood

[@rainbowlemniscate2761]

Yeah, all things considered, Kay would've gotten pretty much the entire world if he had just taken the time to grab a warm jacket

[@AViewCado69420]

@@dietznuts8106 true

[@LuperisNone]

@@rainbowlemniscate2761, but he DID have a jacket.

[@slightlyembittered]

“ Transforming his precocious youngster-ish Into full on smartassery.” So basically just a typical teenager. Gee, it’d be nice to imagine that teenager disinterest was caused by super natural forces, rather than just natural forces.

[@jenneacubero1036]

SlightlyEmbitteredProductions It all makes sense now.

[@martijnvanweele6204]

I think that's the point. This is suspiciously like a coming of age story...

[@herrschmidt2734]

I am currently a Teen and i can Attest that this is perfektly discribing my personality

[@remem95]

The fact that at the end they are both adults is kinda telling

[@matthewcourtney8239]

On the other hand girls crying and talking about roses and birds does actually still cure teenage smartassery!

[@imthatextrakid8292]

Ok we all agree “Little Match Girl” Is depressing. I mean the story is literally about a little girl suffering hypothermia and having hallucinations then DYING.

[@genevieveowusu885]

Yeah but it's one of my favorite tales because of how dark it is.

[@z2yn]

Her story is sad, yes, but it is also bittersweet because she is reunited with her grandmother in heaven.

[@phastinemoon]

You know it’s bad when Terry Pratchett takes a hot minute out of his faux-Christmas special to call you out on your shit.

[@shropshirec]

Even the Disney short adaptation barely sugar-coats it. That girl straight up doesn't LIVE happily-ever after.

[@p3protagonist991]

Andersan has a very intresting collection of Bitter-sweet books

[@Grim_Sister]

*Other people, watching this video:* This isn’t Frozen! *Me, watching Frozen:* This isn’t The Snow Queen!

[@bubblebubble7494]

You are me watching ariel

[@ZaxorVonSkyler]

That was so me! I was so hyped when I heard they were adapting the Snow queen and was super disappointed with what we got.

[@Grim_Sister]

@@ZaxorVonSkyler I was looking forward to a new classic Disney villain. Evilsa could have been so cool

[@questworldiangreenknight7455]

Lmao 🤣

[@hedgehog3180]

That was basically the collective reaction of the entire nation of Denmark.

[@archeofutura_4606]

“Don’t follow beautiful women into blizzards” how about I do, a n y w a y

[@eclipserepeater2466]

I mean, assuming she's not the thing causing the blizzard, which would be unlikely in our world, it actually seems like a better idea to at least have a companion in the freezing weather.

[@Zulfburht]

It’s the only time a beautiful woman would let guys follow them anyways

[@archeofutura_4606]

@@eclipserepeater2466 i mean even if she were causing the blizzard, I’ve honestly nothing better to do. Besides, I’m not the type to get attention from women anyways, so I’d be well aware that it’s probably a trap

[@nickolas474]

You can make a -religion- no wait you can make a fable out of this

[@caliberlight2818]

Don’t let it go

[@erick_40k]

"like Santa, but backwards. And also. A crime" Perfect

[@Hikari20035]

But breaking and entering is also a crime

[@InquisitorThomas]

@@Hikari20035 it’s the Super Hero principal, sure Spider-Man is probably breaking a ton of laws, but who wants to be the guy to arrest Spider-Man? (I mean besides J Jonah Jameson)

[@Hikari20035]

@@InquisitorThomas Who wants to arrest a Beautiful Lady with control of snow and Ice

[@maddieparrella4097]

"The only thing he unironically likes these days is the perfect, mathematical beauty of snow. It's really niche, you probably wouldn't get it" HELP I CAN'T BREATHE!

[@flamingpi2245]

whats not to like, beautiful fractal patterns caused by the perfectly hexagonal crystallisation of water molecules creating unique formations caused by each individual crystal's specific temperature, humidity, and wind conditions affect the length of the branches, the sub branches, and the pattern. And all of those crystals pile up to create a non densely packed, soft material that changes in properties depending on the temperature and humidity

[@Nanamka]

@@flamingpi2245 exactly! It is so beautiful

[@comradewindowsill4253]

@@flamingpi2245 username checks out

[@flamingpi2245]

@@comradewindowsill4253 I see you are a person of culture

[@flamingpi2245]

But you know, Im surprised the mirror shard didn’t pick up on the fact that all snowflakes need a seed particle of dust or something to start Doesn’t that count as an imperfection

[@battleangel8903]

It sounds like the story is a loosely a very imaginative way of showing two friends losing touch as they go through adolesence and are more exposed to the influences of societal expectations (intellectuality and detachedness ig at the time of this story) and reconnecting later in adulthood by reconnecting and reminiscing or whatever when he finally "recognizes" her from back then, and are able to reconcile. This is honestly the closest I can get to an actual theme, someone else can probably break down the actual, borderline satirical journey she went on.

[@manmoy4104]

I think you're on point. In the closest English translation I've read online, it said that the frozen lake Kai was sitting on is called 'The Mirror of Reason'. Maybe it was to show how Kai had become totally devoid of affection because he's too busy being snobby? Then ofc is how the answer to the ice puzzle he was solving is 'eternity', I don't think its significance was ever explained but I could easily see it having deeper meanings in modern adaptations of the story.

[@pinkcupcake4717]

I definitely get the vibe of adolescence and reaching emotional (and sexual) maturity as an underlying theme. Kay goes all in on ~reason,~ which manifests as arrogance and cruelty. Very teenager energy, and holds up remarkably well into the modern day. Unfortunately Gerda gets stuck with the task of fixing him, but she does get to go on a big adventure to save her friend/beloved. Kay just has to remember that experiencing emotion is good, actually.

[@LuckySketches]

Gerda OP. Her superpowers include: - Talking to animals - Talking to plants - Maxed-out charisma - ANGEL SUMMONING - Possibly mind control? - And being pure of heart

[@DiamondAppendixVODs]

And being helped by compassionate people when in trouble, because that's not realistic

[@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967]

@@DiamondAppendixVODs I think that falls under mind control? Sorta?

[@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967]

Wait where's the charisma?

[@LuckySketches]

@@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967 Everybody helps her, even even she breaks into their home.

[@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967]

@@LuckySketches Oh.

[@narutorasbat]

Remember how "Frozen" was originally going to be the disneyfied origin of the Snow Queen a la "Wicked" but they changed the entire plot based on 1 song because it was deemed more fitting for a hero than a villain?

[@marwick1413]

Of course, didn't know? Moral ambiguity is a snoozefest, while objective black and white morality is tight and is a TOTALLY accurate representation of human actions.

[@adamweinberg2532]

​@@marwick1413 Moral ambiguity is cool, but black and white morality has its upsides, too.

[@Randoman590]

Hey, not everything in Frozen is played straight. At least they directly address and deconstruct Disney's own trope of "love at first sight", and the supposed charming prince turns out to be the villain.

[@aileencrain6558]

Tbf, the Snow Queen wasn’t really a villain in the original and it would’ve been more of a change to vilify her. Kidnapping was a stretch and is the only crime she can be accused of. Honestly Elsa might be worse: she did freeze everything, if totally on accident.

[@juststatedtheobvious9633]

To be fair, making the original Snowqueen a more "sympathetic villain ala Wicked" would lead to at least one story of a fan who thinks they're more mature than all the other kids and who feels really bad for their lonely kidnapper. Sometimes, the best story you can tell isn't the best story you can tell your audience.

[@snackleggg7802]

"It's like Santa... but backwards... and also a crime" -Red quote of the day

[@josephflynn9792]

But Isn’t Santa also a crime

[@snackleggg7802]

@@josephflynn9792 breaking and entering plus theft if he eats the cookies. You are correct

[@oniemployee3437]

"Are there no parents in this town?" We all know that parenthood holds back adventure. Every adventurous story begins with the loss of parents, or doesn't even have them in there to begin with.

[@bubblebubble7494]

But there will always be a grandma or grandma ( or older sibling ) aged character to step into that role. Or they get a love interest or all three of these thingis

[@NXTangl]

Antonym of "adventure" is "mother" - Oda-sensei

[@a.d.t.mapping]

@@bubblebubble7494 for clarification, it's not all three of the things *at the same time* right?

[@earlwajenberg]

Preventing a child from having "adventure" is almost the definition of parental responsibility.

[@BawonoSA173]

Pinocchio has Gepeto, but the adventures still happening

[@camerongunn7906]

Red: Where are the adults in this story? Me: Hans is proto-Disney. All the adults are dead.

[@segevstormlord3713]

As opposed to half of them. Specifically, either the mother or father of every kid.

[@Grim_Sister]

Or just not effective

[@frankspick7544]

@@Grim_Sister so like the adults in the it movies

[@JaelinBezel]

Now I think it’s terribly ironic that they named the villain of Frozen after the writer of the source material.

[@thehistorianjt3929]

True

[@2pantheraleoatrox]

Princess: "How'd you like to make sure we never have leftovers again?" Crows: *gasp! I'M DIEING OF CUTENESS OVERLOAD!

[@dedf15]

I would watch a Disney show about frozen, but its entirely from the point of view of the animals...

[@TheNorthlander]

"-go to the Bandit's castle, which is apparently a thing bandits can have." Fun fact, bandits could have that. Noble Bandits that is, Robber Barons.

[@chrisrudolf9839]

That or not noble bandits who were just occupying an abandoned castle ... or a conquered one.

[@eugenhardtmann454]

It also could have been that the bandit leader was a Raubritter (german word which means "Robber Knight")

[@bren-dog377]

Or they could have just been bandits from skyrim. Literally every encampment is either a castle they ransacked or one that was already destroyed.

[@hedgehog3180]

Bandits having castles is also just a bit of a theme in Nordic children's stories. One other example is Ronja Rober Daughter about Ronja who is the daughter of a robber king and lives in a castle. Robbers kinda occupy the same position in Nordic stories that pirates do in English stories.

[@DukeofTxtspeak]

I mean in the medieval era castles were easy as fuck to build. So you probably had fuckin dozens of em just laying around.

[@elinorc]

“if it hits them in the heart, then it stops them from ever _feeling_ good again” That is what we in the mental illness biz call depression

[@AtticusKarpenter]

So its like Eros shot for love or Apollo for sudden death, but demonic mirror shard for depression

[@sbollimpalli]

Red: don’t follow beautiful women into blizzards The comments: “that sign can’t stop me because I can’t read” And honestly, it’s me. I’m comments Edit: 600 likes what the hell yall

[@LuperisNone]

@Manek Iridius, hi garbage, i'm someone that writes in a comment section of a video

[@nitesy381]

Yuki onna anyone?

[@user-yq7wr6zd1b]

change your username to comments right now.

[@oOPPHOo]

Also can someone explain to me why the robber daughter holding a knife made sleeping with her less cute? 👏LET👏KNIFE👏GFs👏BE👏COMFY👏

[@lindseys3708]

I can't read, remember? We just upvote!

[@greyworld6242]

Honestly she was never evil, just a force of nature.

[@shaunjimbangan1166]

So, like godzilla?

[@greyworld6242]

@@shaunjimbangan1166 pretty much.

[@oofmeistermeisteroof1305]

Grass grows, sun shines, and brotha? I hurt people.

[@chewxieyang4677]

@@oofmeistermeisteroof1305 Love that TF2 Scout-post.

[@lettersivewritten]

@@oofmeistermeisteroof1305 Except she is the 12 year old, "snow queen." No one was ever kidnapped or held hostage.

[@harry.tallbelt6707]

So is this a story about a child slowly loosing their ability to see and feel beautiful things, which leads them to becoming a cold-hearted jerk that ignores their steadily approaching death by focusing on doing some dumb non-essential shit in an unwelcome place? And the only thing that manages to save them is their deep connection to another human being who somehow actually likes and values them?

[@edisonlima4647]

Yep. H.C Andersen seems to have had a good eye for inner tormoils and existencial questions.

[@magiccarpetmadeofsteel4564]

This story suddenly feels strangely allegorical.

[@paradactyl3729]

When you describe the plot that way, it sounds less like a fairy tale and more like a modern romantic comedy where Gerda has to go on a quirky road trip to convince Kay to take his antidepressants.

[@CJCroen1393]

This makes me all the more convinced that we need a straight up adaptation of this story that faithfully stems from the original like holy hell this fairy tale was ahead of its time.

[@Me-vn3gz]

Very relatable

[@veegoevers]

There's actually an old soviet cartoon "Snow Queen", which I recommend to everyone to see, it's amazing. Bandit girl, after letting Gerda and Deer go, breaks down into tears and frees every other animal she has. It melted my heart when I watched it)!

[@zainmudassir2964]

It's very good

[@KianaWolf]

"The crow asks if she's okay, officially winning him the gold medal for being the most responsible adult in this story." Crows are bros.

[@GraveRobbinJake]

When she said "Little known downside to disney princess powers" I legit had to take a second to compose myself i was laughing so hard

[@shinyninja8107]

“She’s like Santa. Only backwards. And a crime.” So she’s like Krampus? (Please talk about Krampus)

[@aileenacosta3821]

Isn't krampus the german monster guy who eats kids if they're bad?

[@dizzydaisy909]

haha krampus backwards is sup mark

[@Alias_Anybody]

No. Snow Queen -> Anime ara ara Krampus -> The Punisher_x_Ghost Rider but for children

[@BlackCover95]

@@aileenacosta3821 Eat? I’m pretty sure he canes them.

[@LimeyLassen]

Sexy She-Krampus

[@demonderpz7937]

“It’s like santa but backwards, and also a crime” had me laughing my ass off, but breaking and entering is a crime to be fair

[@AnimeboyIanpower]

But the difference is Santa never comes uninvited...

[@AlphaOrion98]

I vote to have “it’s like Santa but backwards. And it’s a crime” as one of the out of context osp quotes

[@jean-paulaudette9246]

Along with 'exhaling angels.'

[@jovindsouza3407]

Seconded!

[@nobertosanchez647]

Plot twist:... the two crows actually belong to Odin.

[@moralityisnotsubjective5]

Yes!

[@or_gluzman561Peace_IL_PS]

why am i not surprised

[@jacobrengen]

Wait it’s always Odin?

[@or_gluzman561Peace_IL_PS]

@@jacobrengen of course!

[@jacobrengen]

@@or_gluzman561Peace_IL_PS it’s always been

[@merrittanimation7721]

*Mirror shard hits person in the eye* Friend "Oh god are you okay??" Person "You look really ugly suddenly" Friend "WHY IS THAT YOUR FIRST THOUGHT??? THERE IS A GLASS SHARD IN YOUR EYE!"

[@DanMackison]

Do a KZbin search for "It's Not About The Nail."

[@johndipietro9301]

...for some reason, I heard Blue's voice as the friend.

[@tonyalighieri6613]

@@johndipietro9301 I can't unhear it now. It's in his exact voice and intonation. I can imagine perfectly.

[@ccvcharger]

@@johndipietro9301 I can almost hear the all caps part being said to the tune of one of his Venice rants.

[@ccvcharger]

@@johndipietro9301 I can almost hear the all caps part being said to the tune of one of his Venice rants.

[@user-cj4tt3zp5t]

I’d actually LOVE to see a Disney movie with this. Specially so I could see a happy “talking object” singing sess where it’s just gerta trying to get closure for Kai’s death but everyone super cheery. It’d be hysterical

[@sockpuppetqueen]

I'll never forgive Frozen for being the one and only shot we all had at a Disney style adaptation of the snow queen, and it just being, like, a completely different story. RIP my childhood hopes and dreams :(

[@scribblefightschannel1587]

@@sockpuppetqueen they considered doing Snow Queen after Snow White! Imagine a 40s Disney Snow Queen it would have been amazing

[@anastasia_852]

@@sockpuppetqueen Late reply here; There are FOUR movies for the snow queen by a smaller studio. The first one is pretty good, the second one was charming enough. I wouldn't recommend 3 and 4 however. ESPECIALLY 4. The plot goes all over the place in that one.

[@videogollumer]

@@sockpuppetqueen It was going to be an adaptation at first; but they decided to go a different route, and The Snow Queen ended up being more of an inspiration than a source.

[@game_boyd1644]

@@anastasia_852 is the Russian one any good?

[@thegethconsensus393]

“Don’t follow beautiful women into blizzards” Don’t tell me what to do!

[@lnoths]

Ah damn, there goes my weekend plans

[@cypherdastro8105]

@Frost E Bear Yup. But unlike the snow queen she will most DEFINITELY freeze you to death. Or not under certain circumstances, haven't looked into the mythos in a while. That said I really want to see a romance story with a Yuki Onna that doesn't end in death cause they're beautiful and need some love. And I'm not just saying that because I love winter.

[@adamloga3788]

"AKA her Disney Princess powers where LITERALLY EVERYBODY LOVES HER and wants to help her out" I love the fact that not only does HCA acknowledge that that's weird but that Red takes time out to hammer it home.

[@z-beeblebrox]

Given the way many of Andersen's stories turn out, it was probably weird to him too

[@Freekymoho]

@@z-beeblebrox typically he's a lot harsher to his innocent young girl protagonists, but i guess Gerda is his waifu

[@nitesy381]

@@Freekymoho that sounds wrong in so many levels

[@Freekymoho]

@@nitesy381 dont know what to say man, the little mermaid is fucked up

[@andreaslinder8978]

@@Freekymoho Or The Little Match Girl (unless you are very, VERY Christian, maybe). My favorite part of Hogfather is Death deciding that the story sucks and rescuing the girl, delivering a literary bitchslap of the highest order.

[@rosebythecreek]

Gerda: "I have the power of God and anime on my side!"

[@NicoBabyman1]

“AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!”

[@krzysztofsomian4956]

God:Here take this legion of spear wielding angels! Anime:Here take this plot armour!

[@zaadinandsetsunarose4966]

I love that last picture where the snow queen shows up with a mocha like 'where did he go? Oh, he solved the puzzle! Good on him.' Also, gotta say, I get why he went with her. Cause he literally had a 'everything is awful' filter always on, both for his sight and his heart and he STILL saw the snow queen as the most beautiful woman ever. Which... considering the mirror amplified all the bad parts about something reflected in it... doesn't that mean she's not evil? Or bad?

[@Xalerdane]

Being a Faerie and the living embodiment of Winter, the Snow Queen cannot be mapped to human value ranges.

[@trickster80]

The Snow Queen isn’t really a character as much as she is a plot device

[@flugelblugel4098]

“You can’t exactly write new myths” Timetraveling goatfish: *cries in enchanting table*

[@RainaRamsay]

LOL

[@AegixDrakan]

Oh yeeeaaaah, that is a thing... XD

[@endengineer2441]

Are you talking about some SCP or something?

[@homestuck_official]

@@endengineer2441 I mean it'd be a good SCP but no, this is basically a greek god(?) someone made up in the 20th century to explain capricorn, and yes it has time-travel powers. This channel's video on the zodiac explains it better.

[@AegixDrakan]

@@endengineer2441 Watch Red's video about the Zodiac signs. She tries finding myths about the goatfish and can't find much at all, especially about the time travel stuff.

[@cosmic_poet7326]

“Try crying” is actually pretty solid advice. In the matter of mental health problems at least.

[@i_am_Emmet]

I mean I guess so

[@stars4809]

Works for me

[@autumnrose9655]

Indeed. It’s not good to bottle up emotions and sometimes a good cry can make all the difference😌🖤

[@elias.t]

This is basically the moral of Inside Out, as well. Crying not only releases your emotions, but it can also signal to people who care about you that you need help.

[@fanonymouse]

Royalty: Let's give people we want to help a sign over their head saying "Rob me I'm rich". What could go wrong?

[@jordanloux3883]

Intellectuals, am I right?

[@sircharlesninefingers4170]

That may have been the point. A really dumb and round-about way of revenge

[@Alza.art4518]

“Look at them for inventing Twitter a century and a half earlier” Thank you, I laughed for a good 30 minutes because of this

[@Lionfrog13]

I like how frozen subverted the “a kiss from your true love will save you”... but the original already subverted it by having the female protagonist save the guy.

[@ANDELE3025]

It extra subverted it where the villain is satan, the """villain""" is a ara ara oneechan that did bad touch kisses and has a mirror of reason AND the female protagonist has the power of god (and anime stando angels) on her side.

[@Alias_Anybody]

@@ANDELE3025 Wouldn't it be Onee-san if she's far older? ... ... ... Damn I guess I'll need some pills against the weebism.

[@crawlingboy]

@@ANDELE3025 Who does not want to go with a ara ara ice nee san

[@billuraral1870]

With friendship hugs!

[@ritzexists2201]

despite the fact that actually enjoyed frozen when it came out, I wish we could have a loyal adaptation of this..

[@magentaman7639]

“Don’t follow beautiful women into blizzards” I’m sorry Red, but sometimes priorities go before logic and whatever kills me makes me stronger.

[@InquisitorThomas]

Um... the is actually whatever doesn’t kill m... eh forget it, you do you man. Just be sure to leave me as the sole beneficiary in the will.

[@violent_sneezes5113]

Could you just leave me a cheeseburger?

[@ftgihf467]

I agree I will continue following beautiful women into blizzards

[@kaicreech7336]

Amen!

[@yeeyee5057]

Follow them if she offers you ice skates for free if you manage to solve a puzzle

[@vanilla6326]

Red: “don’t follow beautiful women into snow storms” My dumbass: “watch me”

[@cireeeeeX]

Sapphic culture

[@camblycreeper7999]

How are you supposed to get your Fairy Wife who is also the Unseelie queen of Air and Darkness if you dont?!

[@epauletshark3793]

4hos one, the white witch of narnia, etc.

[@Odd_Designz]

I’ve found the other gays

[@camblycreeper7999]

@@Odd_Designz But also the ones with big plans of having control over the Fey and plunging the world into revelrous chaos

[@purplehaze2358]

“It’s like Santa, but backwards. And also a crime” I love the delivery on that.

[@omegabet3912]

Red: Hans Christian Andersen, the only reason why Disney is the towering capitalist nexus. The Grimm brothers: =(

[@kaminari1927]

Put an F in the chat if you're for the Brothers Grimm

[@sammyvictors2603]

and Charles Perrault (he wrote Cinderella Disney based it on, as a passive heroine with fairy godmother. In older versions, Cindy was cunning, self-determined, and self-motivated, with some help from her dead mom's ghost).

[@MakeRetro]

Well the Grimm brothers just edited and compiled pre-existing Germanic fairy tales.

[@grandpagohan1]

@@sammyvictors2603 Ah. So Disney based theirs on Charles' version, while Zenescope based theirs on the original. I was wondering why their Cindy became a serial killer and the right-hand woman to basically the literal Devil.

[@sammyvictors2603]

@@grandpagohan1 Sounds like the Vietnamese version, Tam and Cam; she tricked her evil half-sister to bathe in boiling water, cooked her flesh and fed it to her wicked stepmother, who would die of shock upon her discovery.

[@Prim120]

“Kay decides that being kidnapped is pretty cool actually” *Wow, that escalated quickly*

[@billcipher826]

69th like lol

[@scragglybeard9322]

I mean... He just hitting puperty and a nice looking woman wants to take him with her. Can we really blame him?

[@remem95]

I saw an adaption where Kai and the Snow Queen call eachother "Your Majesty" and "My clever boy" constantly, even after Kai is freed (and the Queen is revealed to have been a cursed fairy). Kai even blushes when she calls him that at the end like they both know more than Gerda should know... It does have them simp vibes for sure :D

[@theguystealingyourinternet3712]

stockholm syndrome any% speedrun

[@DIEGhostfish]

I mean, she's the snow queen, of course it's cool.

[@pilgrimonthelongroad2875]

"You can't really write new myths" *Tolkien would like a word with you*

[@epsilon-eleven]

Literally the entirety of the Hobbit was a retelling of the Ring of the Nibelung, and the later books were retellings of Norse mythology. Seriously.

[@Himmyjewett]

@@epsilon-eleven you must be on pirate rum

[@muzzycosmos9400]

Yeah, but those are myths of an not-existing culture. Everyone can create myths for a fictional world, but you can't create actual myths for OUR world. (at least, without a time machine)

[@Himmyjewett]

@@muzzycosmos9400 mormon

[@muzzycosmos9400]

@@Himmyjewett 👁️👄👁️

[@spencermanning9994]

8:14: I love the fact that instead of a soft,.gentle cry, she's literally screaming into his chest. At this point, she's about 110% done with all the crap she had to go through.

[@durantes]

Title: Snow Queen Frosty: Awe, at long last

[@AxxLAfriku]

I broke my feet today because I kicked my computer because someone commented that my videos are bad! I hate unjustified criticism. Please wish me a speedy recovery, dear dura

[@CorkSkrew]

“What, was she played by Dwayne ‘The Rock’ Johnson or something?” I would pay an ungodly amount to see a movie adaptation of this starring The Rock

[@cartooncritique6625]

Well, they already turned the Rock into the Tooth Fairy, so this wouldn't be too far of a stretch. XD

[@Zodia195]

@@cartooncritique6625 Well he was Maui in Moana also. Does that count?

[@cartooncritique6625]

@@Zodia195 Sure. Why not? ^^

[@rainbowlightninggiaour5166]

Me too, we need make that happen!

[@vanilla6326]

Pretty sure he’d be totally down to wear a white wig and and an Elsa dress, lets do this

[@colonelsanders177]

"you can't write new myths" the time-travelling goatfish would like to enter the chat

[@SomeRandomDude821]

the what now

[@emilylike-the-soup2502]

@@SomeRandomDude821 Watch Red's video on the Zodiac and you'll understand.

[@douchevick309]

@@SomeRandomDude821 blame astrology.

[@CatholicDragoon]

.......SCP-Foundation.

[@WildFyreful]

Me, who wrote two original myths for my senior project: *am I a joke to you*

[@side-beeetaloniswolfwolfac4179]

"Are there no parents in this town." If there were, they'd probably wind up being evil step parents. We have enough of those, thank you very much.

[@ConnanTheCivilized]

Or they could make the main characters be ridiculously ungrateful and hate their home town/ privilege for inexplicable reasons. I honestly find that excuse even more immersion breaking. The stories that do it best don’t create unnecessary drama. Though it can work if enough time and effort is put into writing the plot.

[@qbert676]

"If you have problems try crying" is actually not bad advice for some people

[@pisscvre69]

Thats how i got the pharmacy to deliver my meds lol

[@MormonDude]

“Look at this visionary inventing Twitter a century and a half earlier.” LOL RED NOT MESSING AROUND

[@maryudomah4387]

The crows are so cute. And now they're members of a court? EVEN BETTER.

[@redwitch12]

Is it... the Blackfeather Court? Wait, can't be, they'd have already stolen all the mirror shards because SHINY.

[@GhostBear3067]

The Royal Murder.

[@certaindeathawaits]

So! I'm named after Kay. Kay is actually an anglicised version of Kaj, and because in Danish 'j' makes and 'y' sounds, and the 'a' is like the 'a' in 'fall', the correct pronunciation is Kai.

[@3chaoticcatsinatrenchcoat561]

Ja 🇩🇰

[@AnInkStick]

Yep and it was painful to watch for that reason I’m like “oh come on I could pronounce it when I was 5!”

[@valo9346]

that's so sweet!

[@Rosespynn]

I prononce the a in fall as the o in Olivia. But the a in Kai as the a in Art.

[@certaindeathawaits]

@@Rosespynn That would be correct as well. The a is your typical ah sound.

[@discodrift2455]

You know the adults are useless when a CROW is more responsible and caring than any of them lol

[@AC3handle]

crows be like dat, yo.

[@dedf15]

Seems a common theme for most folklore everywhere, how the children get lost or hurt doing their own thing, then an animal comes along and says "ill help you find your way", or "here, have some water", or "if you let me go, I'll grant you a special wish"

[@segevstormlord3713]

I'd like to introduce you to Maleficent's Diavol. (Not the version in the far superior Sleeping Beauty, but the live-action crow in the disappointing movie about the antagonist.)

[@KyleRayner12]

No wonder the smart royalty keeps giving crows court positions.

[@diddyknux]

"Its like Santa, but backwards, and also a crime." I mean, he is guilty of breaking and entering. Maybe that's arguable these days when people willingly accept him, but back when he first got his start there must've been a few years where people were like "WTF?" when they woke up in the morning.

[@ThePa1riot]

Helps that St. Nick originally just dropped stuff down the chimneys.

[@kylepessell1350]

@@ThePa1riot Yeah he never entered anyone's house. However, the truly interesting thing to note is that the modern understanding of Santa Claus' methods and appearance were mostly invented in the last century by a mixture of corporate manipulation and coincidentally popular anonymous poetry.

[@slewinterful]

Santa is breaking in and entering.

[@jmurray1110]

id say more like the TF universe old nick minus the slavery

[@wickederebus]

Santa doesn't Break In, its Unlawful Entry now, if he smashed your window in, or your door or chimney in, to get in the house ,that is Breaking and Entering what he does is equivalent to walking through an already opened door

[@gwenward2141]

Okay, I just had a brain wave: This whole story is an allusion to growing up. See read more for a detailed explanation So, the mirror shards in the heart represent teenage angst, and his pretentiousness strikes me as the old "I want to be an adult NOW" thought every kid has when they are denied something. This combination led him to meet the snow queen and go somewhere cold and alone, doing a pointless exercise for something idealistic (king of the world) and childish (a pair of ice skates). This represents how being cynical and trying to grow up to fast can leave you lonely and miserable. In contrast, Gerda has to go on a long complicated journey, relying on the kindness of strangers. Sometimes those strangers will betray her (like the little old flower lady), sometimes she'll do the wrong thing but get help anyway (like with the royals), and sometimes what looks like a bad situation can lead to the best assistance (like with the robber girl). The key is that she remains kind and keeps going, not being afraid to ask for help along the way. In the end, Gerda has to catch up with Kay, but is in a better situation than he is so she can help him out through kindness and reminders of childhood (see, tears and childhood song). They both made the journey, but Gerda had a better time of it and is more prepared for the world of adulthood. Thank you for coming to my TED talk, I'll see myself out now.

[@P-man_XD]

Considering the number of likes, I doubt I'm the only person who read the full comment. But I would just like to say you make some very interesting points.

[@Silverwind87]

The way you described it reminds me of the Earthbound games, which are also coming-of-age stories. _No crying until the end._

[@BeepBoopBee]

One of the most unbelievable things about this video is that she doesn't even make a single joke or reference to the Disney movie Frozen. Surprisingly refreshing and pleasing tbh

[@jascrandom9855]

Snow Queen according to Disney: "Let it Go! Let it Go!" Snow Queen in the original tale: "Ara Ara!"

[@shirley241]

Yeah boi

[@fish3977]

sounds like a big downgrade to me

[@ANDELE3025]

Ara Ara so good that her mere kisses make him forget about things.

[@kristofferschmocker5993]

yes

[@Beryllahawk]

I choked on my water, good job hahaha

[@RoyFokker93]

Red: "It's like Santa, but.." Me: A milf? Red: "...backwards" Me: Oh, ok.

[@TheEndangeredBertVert]

My favorite comment.

[@jackferring6790]

*And also a CRIME*

[@mojaveko1917]

So are flamethrowers but doesn't stop me ethier.

[@myoldchannel0]

I don't get it

[@crowthewicked8344]

@@myoldchannel0 Hot mommy figure

[@PartigradeCannon]

8:30 "Gerta kisses away the frostbite... Just go with it" She can summon angels with her breath, I'm sure frostbite curing kisses are far from the most unrealistic aspect of her mouth.

[@Sonar009]

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[@davids6271]

@@Sonar009 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@eyeballsoup1443]

for anyone confused on how Gerda remembered her quest after seeing roses in the old woman's garden, I believe Kay's grandmother back in the town had a rose garden that Gerda and Kay spent a lot of time in together, so

[@Xalerdane]

Their houses were so close together that the window boxes outside Kay’s and Gerda’s bedrooms connected, giving them their own garden in the sky to play in.

[@MissSolaris]

I think in a version I read, the old lady knew that Gerda would remember her quest if she saw a rose, so she got rid of every single rose in her garden. The only reason Gerda remembered was because she saw an image of a rose on the lady's hat (which is also what the video shows).