Legends Summarized: King Arthur

[@TheSaltyLibrarian]

Chretien: -created a mega popular OC -turned the basic canon into ship wars involving his OCs -planned out a way longer arc that he never bothered to finish This guy really did set the bar for fanfic as we know it

[@cardboardcrafter2482]

Holy crap you're right.

[@pinkneko13]

Proving that humanity never really changes

[@ellerynelson8918]

the original 'My Immortal'? discuss.

[@cardboardcrafter2482]

@@ellerynelson8918 No, because My Immortal was written as parody, and also clearly labeled as fanfic. Side note: I have never read My Immortal, and spend a significant chunk of time looking through the mountains of crossover fanfiction for those sweet few longer than ten chapters and with decent grammar and plot.

[@noakinn]

@@cardboardcrafter2482 definitely not a parody

[@Overlordough1201]

Lancelot: Who are you? Galahad: I'm you, but I have standards.

[@wombataldebaran9686]

Less horny Lancelot

[@ValGOPLock]

Basically

[@gracehenry-tarrant597]

Man, is this true

[@milkshake2659]

Lol

[@donovanroundtree524]

He really does *lances a-lot ;)*

[@seriouslythisisjust]

the fact that lancelot was originally a fanfic oc is the best thing i've heard all day

[@ewwpoorpeople5684]

The fact that Dante made three historically relevant, self insert fan fictions is the best thing I've heard all month

[@carriebagley5966]

And a mary sue

[@neutronalchemist3241]

@@ewwpoorpeople5684 Fan-fictions on what? There was not a canon. The description he made of the afterlife is his own creation, and, as noted by many scholars, the "Dante" main character of the Commedia was very different from the real Dante poet. The character was timorous (the poet was a war veteran) and not very bright (he doesn't understand the meaning much of the things that the poet wrote). The poet simply gave his name to a character that was fit for the poem to make his tale seem more "real" for the reader than just telling the story of a random guy.

[@FreaknFreddy]

@@neutronalchemist3241 Yeah but the way he incorporated a bunch of historical figures is somewhat fan fiction-y. Imagine someone today writing a book about a self-named protagonist going on a quest wih Edgar Allen Poe as his guide.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

@@FreaknFreddy Visiting a world none has described before? Not a fan-fiction. It exists an entire genere of SF qualified by having Edison as a character while having historical figures as characters is normal (almost essential) for historical romances.

[@spyone4828]

One of my favorite takes on Lancelot was that he was brutal, cruel, sadistic, and covetous and trying VERY HARD not to be those things. Arthur did good by following his natural impulses, Lancelot did good by rejecting his natural impulses.

[@takodaaseves4038]

So....Paarthanax?

[@FlyingFocs]

So... Once and Future King?

[@veryoriginalname2515]

@@takodaaseves4038 england is a skyrim reference, confirmed

[@gamertwo6263]

@@veryoriginalname2515fun fact: Skyrim makes several references to Arthurian stories, even having an arm lifting an enchanted sword out of a lake referencing Nimue. However, most of the game is based on Scandinavian stuff, largely Beowulf, with High Hrothgar being named after one of the central characters, and the concept of Dragons thematically correlating to time and death also relating back to the Beowulf story.

[@spaceboy9366]

@@veryoriginalname2515Arthurian legends is welsh

[@patrickj994]

It's criminal how adorable Morgan Le Fay is when drawn in this style.

[@Ribbons0121R121]

yes

[@startheteenagewitch2585]

Morgana is best girl.

[@gregg4174]

Morgan Le Bae(?)

[@patrickj994]

@@gregg4174 Absolutely.

[@mercerholt8299]

Also known as the Morrigan depending on your veiw.

[@ButterflyScarlet]

Don't worry young fanfiction writers, someday your cringy OP Too Pure For This Sinful World OC may become a classical character in like several hundred centuries

[@andresarancio6696]

I really now want to be frozen and wake up in five hundred years to see archive of our own becoming the greatest source of literature in history

[@Treviisolion]

Or like Mary Sue, become the namesake of all fanfic characters and poorly realized/overpowered/often female protagonist characters.

[@when7573]

I can't wait until 2453 where some 12-year-olds 12-winged Rainbow Christ Undertale OC is considered classical literature

[@incognitoburrito6020]

Quick everybody, sneak some copies of My Immortal into the Vatican's libraries!

[@cassie5248]

Can ebony darkness dementia raven way become a major character in the potterian mythos?

[@StrikaAmaru]

The Arthurian mythos: several separate layers of recursive fanfiction, each adding its own super-awesome Gary Stu, each more Gary Stu than the previous. (edit: for 2 years, this comment sat at the top of the pile, and only now I noticed that I've written Arhurian instead of Arthurian).

[@zekeram129]

Coming up next: Sir Jonathan, a nobleman born much later than the rest, who at a young age gained a very abusive step-brother who killed his dog and stole his love's first kiss. Seven years later, he discovers that an ancient mask his family owns reacts to blood. However, so did his step-brother, and he discovers that it can create vampires. Jonathan's step-brother becomes a vampire and creates armies of the undead to rule the world, and Sir Jonathan must stop him. Oh by the way, Jonathan's step-brother is named Dio Brando.

[@helltubejackie1086]

@@zekeram129 question: is Erina, his first love a mary sue?

[@zekeram129]

oh boy I dunno. But I'd say that the side characters, such as Mr. Speedwagon, were so well written.

[@helltubejackie1086]

@@zekeram129 Mr. Speedawagon is kind of like Gawain, except he's the ideal Male body, and he was the one who lifted up Gawain. But that's just what I think.

[@invisibleair2156]

@@zekeram129 speedweed

[@idiotmizu4710]

Guinevere: -sleeping with lancelot when already married- Also Guinevere: Omg Morgan you can't be sleeping around with people when married

[@camilaalmiron5588]

Hypocretia in its maximum brightness

[@Doubleranged1]

Yeah in all of those legends Guinevere is never the bad person. Well, she is a beautiful woman, so that means she is innocent.

[@nkyfong]

@@Doubleranged1, quite sexist honestly.

[@phantom-ri2tg]

@@nkyfong Personally I like it because of how much it goes against the current thing. Also it is actually realistic that nobles be pretty unhappy with their marriages since many were for politics. Thing is in a lot of history it was biased where husband could do it but not wife.

[@tompatterson1548]

@@phantom-ri2tg Which is how Llacheu may or may not have happened (depends on the tradition).

[@renatocorvaro6924]

The most important takeaway from Arthurian Legend is that strange women lying in ponds distributing weaponry is no basis for a system of government.

[@danaidaccesss6241]

Wait really?! Puts away mystical weapon found in old fountain*

[@eastia7518]

Are you sure? Aww man I was planning on living in a swamp and handing guns to kids :((

[@UntitledChurro]

Indeed, supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

[@erickparks6347]

Ah Monty python

[@s4nd_tastesgood669]

I smell a techno reference 👀

[@TRDPaul]

"What if Merlin was a skinny British kid?" I'm pretty sure that if Merlin existed he was, at some point, a skinny British kid

[@Lemuel928]

Kid Merlin.

[@danieru.a.i.5816]

Yung merlin

[@jackofclubs6229]

BBC Merlin

[@salsicha5305]

Uell aktshwaly he was a skinny Brythonic kid

[@Hilblock]

@@jackofclubs6229 BBC Merlin is best Merlin

[@avmrb42]

In medieval times it was traditional that a nephew would be a pretty close figure to the uncle, as people would send their kids to their more successful uncles to be trained by them at around age 12 and that would be a natural transition into adulthood, for people who had more successful brothers. for the kid it was almost an adoption process, where the father figure would be shifted towards the uncle. So Arthur would be extremelly close to Mordred by those standards especially considering Arthur had no sons and Mordred being the son of his sister was next in line for the succession of the throne.

[@andyknightwarden9746]

Arthur had three legitimate sons, the last of whom died in the Strife of Camlann. Llacheu (no, I have no idea how that was pronounced), who was killed by Sir Kay (yes, Arthur's _foster brother_ killed him) so he could claim the glory the prince had won in slaying a giant, Loholt, who was killed by magic and haunted his tomb as a fey ghost, and Durant, who died the same day Mordred did, possibly even killed _by Mordred._

[@stanrogers5613]

Under tanistry, a nephew would be more likely be selected as the next king than a son. The primogenitur thing didn't really start happening until late in the Anglo-Saxon/Danish period (and even that was a witan decision in the end), and wasn't a settled matter until after the Norman conquest.

[@lersgob74]

See also Eomer and Theoden in LotR.

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

If I remember right gawain is the older brother of mordred making him the next in line

[@dennisgray2704]

But remember, he’s dead.💀

[@SigmaSyndicate]

I really enjoy the idea of a villain's revenge/powergrab plot taking so long that by the time it comes to fruition they've mellowed out and completely forgotten about it, but it's too late to stop the machinations they set into play ages ago.

[@jacobsomebody9266]

Really enjoy this idea

[@Anonymous-ks1pn]

*cut to Morgan doing house hold chores while outside one of her windows england is burning* *bonus points if she wonders if she left the oven on*

[@zhishangdi3522]

i enjoy it when they don't try to stop it and want it to play out enjoying watching the hero's scramble to try and undo years of work only to realize that there's no hope

[@sayvionwashington1939]

"You're the one who created the homicidal plant people! Do something!" "...I missed my part where that's my problem." "It. Is. Absolutely. Your problem!" "That's 25 year old me's problem. I'm 45. 20 year difference."

[@fictthecreator7083]

I think that has real potential, too! Like, the villain who realizes the error of their ways and tries to convince their pawn to abandon the scheme, but that just makes the pawn feel like even the villain has betrayed them, and goes forth with the scheme anyway

[@jonathanjoestarwithpluck4930]

Red: *talks extensively about Arthurian lore and mythology throughout the eras* Me, who’s memorized all of Monty Python and the Holy Grail: Y’know I’m something of an Arthurian expert myself.

[@billylauwda9178]

*NI*

[@BloodyCaesar]

Fetchez la vache!

[@nixtheclause9984]

THE GREAT BEAST OF AAAAAARGH

[@plague6566]

Me who played Ace combat Zero: You Know I'm something of an Arthurian expert myself

[@jam-the-hologram]

Me who’s watched the entirety of Merlin: You know I’m something of an Arthurian expert myself.

[@myrnacaraig2681]

Lancelot: You're my SON?!?! Galahad: No, I'm you, but better.

[@alienz8641]

Soooo much better.

[@cedricrobertson2893]

Mash kyrielight

[@Caroling_Caroli]

@@cedricrobertson2893 LORD CAMELOT!

[@rollingmyths3964]

And I didn’t commit adultery

[@idowhatiwant5436]

I love your prop hole pic Prophile*

[@waywardplanet]

Y’all ever made an OC so perfect he survives actual centuries to the point that he’s basically integral to actual canon And ends up having an even more perfect OC son that IS LITERALLY DRAGGED UP TO HEAVEN BECAUSE HE’S SO PERFECT AND THAT SHIT _STILL BECOMES CANON_ Imagine the entirety of AO3 being debated by an entire parliament of stuffy old people with robotic limbs and shit because nobody can agree upon whether or not Ebony Dark’ness Dementia is part of the Harry Potter canon.

[@sidhatter252]

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

[@illym]

@caro d. I hate that you're right.

[@panicontheargo7034]

Can you imagine? I’d love to live long enough to see that.

[@abc-qh5fc]

I was about to reply 'Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way' before I read more, you my friend are incredible

[@ahmedamine24]

How about David Monroe? Or Milo Amastacia-Liadon? Or Dumblecop, of the Darkmeal?

[@LadyCay129]

I just realized that King Arthur is technically the first cinematic Universe, complete with fandom, phases, solo stories, and big crossovers

[@Jays6926]

Greek myth

[@kiren79]

@@Jays6926I’ll do you one better : Egyptian myth

[@KingRichardDeLeonheart]

Those are religions it's not the same as Arthurian legend

[@KingRichardDeLeonheart]

The Greek and Egyptian myths were important parts of their societies but someone like Leonidas of Sparta would probably be more comparable

[@silentwarriorts5779]

Well, maybe not the first, but one of the most glorified story ever

[@from-a-venusian-closet]

I love the fact that one of the most respected legends of our time is almost entirely made up of ancient fan fiction.

[@jonathandavis8051]

I wonder if that Lancelot was that French guy's self-insert OC because Guinevere was his waifu...

[@hailghidorah2536]

Seems about right.

[@paddydad]

bro this made my day

[@ThePugDawg3]

My dude, this makes FAR too much sense

[@matthewmuir8884]

There is one suggestion that he wrote Lancelot the way he did because he wrote the story for (and dedicated the story to) Marie de Champagne, who supposedly asked him to write a chivalric romance story to entertain her court. Marie was the Regent of Champagne (the region in France) when her husband was away for a period of several years, and marriages among nobility were usually for alliances rather than for love, so a story of a queen in a forbidden romance with a knight of her husband's court would very likely have been a thrilling narrative in her court.

[@ninjabluefyre3815]

There's no if about it.

[@JackRackam]

I'll be honest, I think this is the first time I've ever heard the proper Arthurian canon. I'd only ever heard bits and pieces of stories, typically from modern re-imaginings. So thanks for giving me something to recognize being re-imagined! Also I love how Galahad is an idealized fanfic of an idealized fanfic.

[@grayblackhelm6468]

Jack Rackam If you look carefully enough, almost any “Classic” is a fan fiction or a rewrite of an older story.

[@julietfischer5056]

In terms of a coherent narrative, start with 'The History of the Kings of Britain' by Geoffrey of Monmouth. From my admittedly non-organized reading, I recall that some scholars think he made use of a good bit of existing oral material in writing his version of British history. Wace and Lawman produced their own interpretations, and there's one with a decidedly Celtic spin to it on Aka Mary Jones. In addition, there's a site called www.heroofcamelot.com and The Camelot Project (University of Rochester). Over on Project Gutenberg, you can find plenty of Arthurian material as well. Gawain, Lancelot, Percival, and Galahad all began as Gary Stu types.

[@julietfischer5056]

You forgot the giant boar with a comb and shears between its ears. Celtic myth is weird.

[@julietfischer5056]

I've read the stories in the Mabinogion. 'Celtic Myth and Arthurian Romance' by Roger Sherman Loomis is an interesting read. He also wrote 'The Grail: From Celtic Myth to Christian Symbol.'

[@KHTimeProtecter]

Another thing about Paganism in the Aurthurian stories, at that time, the king would also marry their lands when they’re crowned. There’s a theory that Guinevere is actually a goddess of the land, and thus gives Arthur legitimacy in his rule. So when Guinevere started favoring Lancelot, Arthur feared that he would lose his throne.

[@reneedailey1696]

Is this a Mists of Avalon reference?

[@KHTimeProtecter]

@@reneedailey1696 No, historical fact, though the book draws from both history and some liberties. The Guinevere in Mists of Avalon was an agoraphobic Christian princess who becomes more fanatical throughout the book. And yes, I'm sure there was someone who would symbolically play the part of the land, but we don't know for sure they were an actual priestess or someone else.

[@reneedailey1696]

@@KHTimeProtecter I was referring specifically to the marriage to the land bit, not Guinevere.

[@Silverwind87]

Arthur's waifu is Britannia?

[@vee_fee]

@@reneedailey1696 In Celtic/Welsh traditions, the king was closely tied to the land. Following the traditions’ logic, if Arthur were to be perceived as someone who can no longer fulfill his role as a husband, more so in terms of sex, which then equates to infertility, the land would suffer as well. Usually in old Celtic/Welsh stories, a king that no longer can perform sexually goes through a sacrificial death, of sorts (usually involving a decapitation). If you are interested, I’d recommend short stories such as Pwyll, The Prince of Dyfed and Branwen, Daughter of Llyr (and all of the other branches of Mabinogi). They all follow the same structure in terms of Celtic/Welsh myth and folklore, which in turn gives us a deeper understanding of where certain themes from the Arthurian stories comes from. Sorry for the lengthy answer 😅

[@KaiTenSatsuma]

I love how everyone is mad at Percival for doing exactly what he was told to do.

[@novameowww]

Don't do the thing (Doesn't do the thing) YOU ABSOLUTE BUFFOON

[@rbl4112]

8:53

[@wildcardjoey4776]

Well, it wasn't anyone at the banquet who told him that. It was some guy he traded with to get a horse.

[@Ribbons0121R121]

because *_P L O T_*

[@ariaphoenix2760]

Ribbons0121 R121 Why shouldn’t you speak? Oh, well that would solve the problem easily and be a really boring story, so shut your mouth and go on a quest that could potentially get you killed but will be way more entertaining. YAY! P L O T C O N V E N I E N C E ! ! !

[@yuumeko]

Lancelot: ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL Gallahad: hold my beer

[@Picking.a.name.is.hard1]

*ale

[@FortunateSon-mo9zi]

@@Picking.a.name.is.hard1 *holy water (because he's basically the less morally bankrupt version of Lancelot)

[@itzorin600]

Hahahaha😅

[@thesnailphilosopher]

The only “Arthurian canon” I accept is that in Monthy Python and the Holy Grail

[@wombataldebaran9686]

Let us not go to Camelot. ´Tis a silly place.

[@thesymbiotenation.4552]

We accept both that and the Fate series

[@ryahmib2452]

as a french, i only accept Kaamelott as the only canon.

[@johnroach9026]

Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government

[@InShane162]

Your mother was a hamester And your father smelt of elderberries Now go away. before taunt you a second time

[@sailordarty9032]

"If they all were open and honest about their feelings... we would have a poly-armory." This is just the icing to this already delicious cake of a video.

[@brookedickson4118]

Closely followed by ‘Thank you and good knight’, of course.

[@eatinganemone89]

Me: Wait…so Uther, was shapeshifted into a womans husband so he could bang her? Why does that sound familiar?……WAIT A MINUTE! *rips off Uthers face, revealing Zeus* Me: *gasp* I KNEW IT! He was Zeus all along!

[@callianr6980]

Eatinganemone89 Dear God, that explains so much! Now I got this unsafe in my head of Camelot being a British Camp Half Blood. Which would actually be a cool story to read now that I think about it.

[@teal_m_101]

Zeus: "Damn"

[@willow1wisp]

"And I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids."

[@RadioFade]

you know Monmouth probably lifted the idea straight from Greek Myth, it was very in vogue at the time!

[@KitKatHexe]

69th like noice

[@tinyetoile5503]

I guarantee that the whole Mordred-Morgan-Morgause connection began because their names all started with "Mor"

[@ashfarzana653]

I agree

[@noonenowhere4494]

MOOOOORRRRRRRDDDDDOOOOORRRRR

[@DeathnoteBB]

I’m pretty sure there’s also something related to mort meaning death in latin,

[@tinyetoile5503]

@@DeathnoteBB morT means death in latin, but "mor" in old welsh means "sea", so it's more likely derived from that.

[@Red-mg4ro]

@@tinyetoile5503 Isn't Avalon an island? So maybe Morgana the Fey of Avalon, Morgan the Fey of Camelot, Morgause the nothing of Orkney, Mordred the unclear relative of Arthur (maybe), and all the others are just spelling variations, and this whole mess came up because a person though heard "Smith" and assumed the guy names "Sawyer" was the same person because they both start with "s"?

[@Red-mg4ro]

Me: I want to learn more about Arthurian legends and history! *Sees how inconsistent, slanted, and convoluted it is* Me: On second thought let's not go to Camelot. Tis a silly place.

[@slewinterful]

MONTY PYTHON REFERENCE

[@chadfalardeau5396]

I've been studying Arthurian legends half of my life. Trust me Red and Blue are just giving us the Cliff notes.

[@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial]

behold, Fate! [dies]

[@Birthday888]

I do find it funny that Fate's take on the tale has the healthiest Arthur-Lancelot-Guinevere relationship, with Lancelot and Guinevere deeply adoring Arthur, but also finding feelings for each other through their mutual support for their king, and Artoria understanding that her role as king made her distant from Guinevere and willingly turning a blind eye to their relationship up until they were publically ousted and Arthur had no choice.

[@guillemmadrigalgallud6306]

I've made a similar, but longer (because what I can say in 1 word, I'll always say it in 10) comment. That retelling of the story is just so perfect.

[@nihili4196]

I would also argue that Mordred in Fate is the best take on whole situation. Whole fall of Arturia happened more due to everything around going to shit and everyone being flawed than one character being especially shitty.

[@emmanuelpena2228]

I remember I once read a fate fanfic, where Shirou ended up in Arthurian England, and became one of the Knights in the round table. Anyways, in that fanfic, they handled the whole love triangle in the best way I'd ever seen. They made it a love square, inserting Shirou into it, and made Lancelot disaster bisexual(which actually had historical precedent, what with the homoerotic nature of his relationship with Galehaut), and gave Arthur a cuckold fetish, and made both Guinivere and Arthur really into watching guy on guy stuff, but, with their society being extremely sexually repressed they never really realized that about themselves, and Shirou, having the emotional intelligence of a spoon, wasn't much better, so the whole thing was just this big mess of sexual tension between Arthur, Guinivere, and Lancelot, with Shirou just being there for them to thirst over. Man, that fic had no right being as well written as it was.

[@daboi6509]

@@emmanuelpena2228so basically it is a doujin with surprisingly good writing

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@emmanuelpena2228 That… is a very weird premise. How good is it?

[@rougestarlight4308]

Are you tryna tell me that the whole Arthur mythos is a colab between fan-fic writters?? *There's still hope for me!!!*

[@ecurewitz]

No, there was no collaboration, it was a bunch of fan-fic writers adding shit independently of each other

[@anadaere6861]

Everybody know king Arthur but what if King Arthur was a lady That had a dick at one point, and got laid by his sister And got a "son" that is a woman And weilds a spear that made her thicc Etc

[@anadaere6861]

@mika tepes I tip my hat from one legend to another

[@Tyler.Burleson]

@@anadaere6861 ...you mean exactly like how Arthur and Mordred are in the Fate series?

[@jackthunderbolt4307]

I think it's more of the next person finds it and adds to it

[@Emily-tv1iz]

Why does the line "What if Merlin was a skinny British kid" get me every time. It's such a perfect delivery

[@Ajehy]

I’ve been reading Merlin fanfic a lot really. The cycle of adaptation continues!

[@slevinchannel7589]

...All this talk about Cheating being thought-to-be-okay and then changing into the objectively better "Be loyal to your wife already, dimwit!" is reminding me of all the Polygamy-Propaganda nowadays. People get (on varying levels) more and more into the idea that Polygamy is ok - or more. Or actually awesome - or more. And the most intense say it's the nature of all humans and everyone who doesnt do it is a stupid Loser (no kidding, some say this). Yeah, some even outright insult Monogamy and say it's outdated and should die already. Well, i answer to that: "No, Polygamy should die already."

[@caspianhardin7521]

BBC Merlon??

[@caspianhardin7521]

merlin??

[@WASDLeftClick]

Idk where you’re getting that from, unless you’re conflating polygamy with casual sex and/or free love. Polygamy is still very stigmatized in most communities, and even the more casual polyamory is still pretty uncommon and often derided. Casual sex is pretty common these days, but it always has been. The difference is people are more open about it and a lot less ashamed due to the rise of secularism/atheism and the rejection of traditional ideas about sex and relationships in favor of a philosophy of mutual respect and consent. Basically, times are a changin’ and you can either fight it fruitlessly or come along for the ride. You don’t have to drop your own ideals to coexist with others who have different ideals.

[@Battle_Butterfly_]

“Mordred, kindly get off of me.” “No, no, my Lord. As my King, I insist to rise first.” My last two brain cells when I’m waking up

[@ofrund]

My favourite modern versions is that both Arthur and Lancelot are good and the whole thing is a tragic tale, it was from my favourite book from back when I was a kid and what got me obsessed with Arthurian mythos. This is a long one but I am summarizing a pretty big book here. In this version, Arthur gets smitten by the beauty of Guinevere and wants to marry her. Merlin with his foresight warns him that if he marries her it will one day be his undoing, he still ignores Merlin being a horny young adult and asks Guinevere's hand in marriage. To Arthur's credit he doesn't demand it, even though he could being a king, it is just that Guinevere marries Arthur at her fathers orders (you know marrying his daughter to the king will offer his noble line plenty of influence downstream). Arthur meanwhile is totally chill, kind and noble with her, understanding the situation he forced her in and doesn't force himself to her. And honestly does feel kinda guilty at how his request has forced this woman into a marriage she didn't want. (This was when Arthur first became King and didn't understood how people don't tend to say no to a King's request yet) Guinevere grows to love Arthur, but in a more platonic way instead of romantic. She adores his company and their time together but the spark never ignites(yep Arthur gets friend-zoned). Then Lancelot comes along. Arthur learns about this young knight who was raised by the same nymph who gave him his magic sword and he immediately takes him to his round table. Arthur and Lancelot become best friends almost instantly, feeling a brotherly bond for one another. Then Lancelot and Guinevere meet on Lancelot's knighting ceremony. They instantly fall in love. At first they try to avoid eachother since they both really love and respect Arthur. But being the King's favourite knight and Queen they are bound to meet again and again. Eventually they confess their forbidden love to one and other, and they are in a peculiar situation. In one hand they don't want to betray whom they consider to be their best friend, but on the other they are so in love that they can't help themselves. What seems interesting is that Arthur takes notice but doesn't do anything. Remember he feels guilty about forcing Guinevere to marry him, in a way. If anything he feels kinda happy for both of them, but he never confronts them about it out of fear that doing that will escalate the situation into something terrible. The years go by and Grail, Fisher King, Morgana etc. Adventures come and go. Until one day Mordred accidentally finds out about it while Arthur is away on a hunting trip. Mordred seeing his beloved Uncle's wife getting charmed by his so called "best friend" gets enraged, but he knows that Lancelot is better than him and if he charges in now he will die and Lancelot will continue "abusing" Arthur's trust. Mordred goes to immediately alert his brothers. Gawain is pretty close friend of Lancelot and he insists on doing nothing until the king returns, Gareth and Gaheris owe their lives to Lancelot and they are also against making a move. But Agravein is. Agravein is salty because Lancelot is better than him and while Mordred only wants to protect Arthur, Agravein wants to kill Lancelot and really doesn't give a crap about the adultery. Agravein fears that if Arthur returns he may even pardon Lancelot due to how close of friends they are, so he organizes a bunch of knights and they along side with Mordred storm the quarters of Guinevere while she is with Lancelot. Lancelot with just his sword manages to not only kill Agravein but to also escape. The death of Agravein is kinda of a big deal. For one it makes Mordred furious at Lancelot since he was the sibling he was closest to and it makes the scene from adultary to adultary + murder, murder of the King's nephew no less. Arthur returns to hear what happened. He is pressured by his court to burn Guinevere at the stake for the crimes. He doesn't want to, so he has a plan. He knows that Lancelot will come to rescue her so he has a lackluster guard on the execution day. That way Lancelot can just run with Guinevere to his uncle in Gaul and there those two can live happily ever after. This shows how much trust he has on Lancelot, since he will be present too in the execution day, if Lancelot was truly a traitor he could kill Arthur easily as well as save Guinevere. The execution day comes. And Arthur has Gareth and Gaheris escort Guinevere to be burned. They refuse to wear their armor because they don't want to escort a defenseless lady to her death as knights. As expected Lancelot shows up he cuts through everyone from him to his love, including Gareth and Gaheris who were actually cheering for him. Since they didn't wear any armor they die instantly. Now this is the even that ruins everything. Once Gawain hears about this, he gets furious. Agravein was a dick so Gawain didn't give a shit about him. But he loved Gareth and Gaheris. He gathers literally every other knight and demand Arthur seek revenge. Arthur pressured by his fellow knights does, which enrages Mordred. Mordred lost 3 brothers whom he loved deeply, 3 brothers that were Arthur's nephews and yet from the Mordred POV all that Arthur seems to care is about loosing Lancelot. That changes him. And he now feels the same rage against Lancelot, against Arthur. Guinevere is so horrified by the death Lancelot has caused on her name and refuses to leave with him. She has feels so much regret that she just leaves Lancelot and returns to Arthur so he can kill her, she feels so much guilt that she actually wanted to be burned at the stake so that she may atone, but Arthur doesn't want to, so for know he decided to limit her on London Tower until he finishes his campaing against Lancelot in Gaul. While Gawain and Arthur are in Gaul fighting Lancelot. Mordred usurps Camelot. Once Arthur learns about this he returns, fighting happens in which Gawain is mortally wounded by Mordred. On his deathbed he writes to Lancelot, forgiving him for accidentally killing his brothers and asks to once again return to help their king against the usurper. Lancelot upon receiving the letter, immediately rushes back to Britain. Only to find everything in ruin, he was too late. Only he and Guinivere remain. Who despite having no one left to challenge their forbidden love, part ways. As two broken people forever hunted by guilt till the end of their days. And that was how a children's book about knights ended! Damn I love that book. You gotta love it when Greeks reimagine classic stories, we add so much tragedy!

[@andrewrowland3546]

Pretty much just a summary of the final act of La Morte d'Arthur.

[@xxcoolgasment2534]

What is the name of the book? It seems very interesting.

[@juniperrs]

thats actually so interesting that by the end they both decide its enough and walk away from eachother, whats the name of this specific version??

[@vanigliaperiwinkle]

Could you tell us the name?

[@iwannareadforever8185]

What is the name of this book?

[@jackdriscoll3993]

Every addition to and story of King Arthur can be summed up as “yes, and”

[@SomeCrusader]

So can most mythology, really.

[@brixitbiscuits8632]

And also often "no, and" when it comes to Lancelot.

[@fedoramaster6035]

@@SomeCrusader yea I was gonna say

[@fedoramaster6035]

@@SomeCrusader yea I was gonna say

[@louise6093]

We're Knights of the Round Table. We dance whene'er we're able. We do routines and chorus scenes With footwork impeccable. We dine well here in Camelot. We eat ham and jam and spam a lot. We're Knights of the Round Table. Our shows are formidable, But many times we're given rhymes That are quite unsingable. We're opera mad in Camelot. We sing from the diaphragm a lot. In war we're tough and able, Quite indefatigable. Between our quests we sequin vests and impersonate Clark Gable. It's a busy life in Camelot. I have to push the pram a lot.

[@Bareezio]

Let’s not go to Camelot. ‘Tis a silly place.

[@ravenalchemy610]

This is why I love the people who watch this channel.

[@Bareezio]

@@ravenalchemy610 We are people of culture, yes.

[@plague6566]

Area B7R A.K.A "The Round Table" "It was the grand stage where we pilots performed. We were all on an equal footing, fighting under the same conditions. No affiliations or ranks to hinder us ... The only rule of engagement was to survive."

[@jonesy2931]

Camelot! Camelot! Camelot! iT's OnlY a MoDel...

[@jean-paulaudette9246]

I always liked that scene, in "The Once And Future King," when it was clear that Mordred was angling to discredit and dethrone Arthur, and Lancelot came to him with a dire warning of his plan...and Arthur responded basically by saying, "Dude. You are my best friend. You are the greatest champion this country had ever seen. You have been sleeping with my wife for the past 25 years... ... Don't kill my son."

[@yohane-samaslittledemon5902]

It's funny to know that Fate's version of Merlin as a half-incubus clairvoyant magic womanizer bishie actually has a basis aside from the bishie part.

[@rainierjudedandoy5455]

Yohane-sama's Little Demon which you always borrow from your friend.

[@MrGksarathy]

Actually, the bishie part also has basis because Merlin could alter his appearance at will, since he variously appeared to Arthur as an old man, a young boy, and a young man.

[@Brutalyte616]

He's also a cock wizard. This is canon.

[@Simmlex]

@@wackyname6445 The familiar who happens to be one of the beasts of humanity, yeah XD

[@Simmlex]

@mika tepes It's set in a world where mages and mythologies are real, Vampires are a thing, you can have eyes that see the weak point of things, the planets have personifications and dead heroes get sent outside of time and THAT'S what you get hung up on?

[@DeathnoteBB]

Fisher King: Don’t talk too much Percival: Okay Courtier: _Why didn’t you ask what this weird shit is for_

[@Graycata]

This is like that cliche where a woman screams at her boyfriend to leave and when he does, she gets Huffy because he left

[@radiomoon3659]

Bawhahahahah

[@lissaquon607]

Man Percival was just being genre savvy. When weird fae folks tell you not to do a thing - you usually arent supposed to do the opposite.

[@DeathnoteBB]

Also its at 8:53 Forgot what my comment was even about so I had to find the part again lmao

[@MagnirProductions]

Fun fact: The other year a little girl found an aged sword in the bottom lake in Cornwall (where Excalibur is believed to rest). Sure, it was probably a movie prop. But what I would give to feel how she felt in that moment. Mythic.

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

Rubbish Log She is the new King

[@coyote47713]

Rubbish Log Welp, step aside Queen Elizabeth II, you're reign is over

[@djoninstark1978]

There actually is precedent for ancient celts to dispose of swords by throwing them in lakes, so she might have found an actual ancient sword

[@KanaidBlack]

Apparently the parents investigate a little and found out it was a prop for a movie but I'm not really sure.

[@jonnybilgerat5354]

Until the awed masses decide they want the little girl who got a magic sword from a fairy to be their king/queen

[@jeth2517]

“What if Arthur was a woman?” The premise that became the foundation of a multi-billion dollar franchise

[@abridge2]

i really wanna say that theres not a single chance that's where nasu started but hes fucking kinoko nasu and the themes on heroism in fate do seem to flow from arturia... yeah.

[@Sera740]

I've only seen Apocrypha but I honor this

[@vardiganxpl1698]

Technically, Nasu initially wanted Arthur to be a man at first. but changed his mind later on

[@aozorahaou2643]

​@VardiganXPL thus which gave us the prototype timeline

[@TheOtherNeutrino]

And then they shoved Galahad into to body of a teenage girl.

[@Flowtail]

I appreciate how each of Mordred's appearances in this video has him looking like he needs a nap

[@FortunateSon-mo9zi]

So do I, really. I've been sleeping like garbage for the past two weeks.

[@tokusatsukeyblade797]

Merlin: *Agrees to teach Nivian magic in an attempt to woo her over* Nivian: I’m gonna do what’s called a Pro Gamer move.

[@thedumbdog1964]

Put him in a rock

[@CainTheMain]

Merlin: *Has power of prophecy* Nivian: *Uses secrets to seal him away* Merlin: I did not see that coming.

[@esuterunokitsune3556]

OR, maybe a pro gaymer move...

[@WTMR-FM]

girls gays and theys, write that down

[@Gojiragon]

“WHOS BEEN MESSING UP EVERYTHING? ITS BEEN NIVIAN ALL ALONG!”

[@voivodadracula1936]

Did we mention that the first written record (probably) of Arthur kinda goes like this: "There was this dude that killed like 300 dudes in battle like a total badass, but _he was no Arthur"_

[@ZemanTheMighty]

Source?

[@voivodadracula1936]

The Y Gododdin

[@rationalroundhead6739]

@@ZemanTheMighty "He charged before three hundred of the finest, He cut down both centre and wing, He excelled in the forefront of the noblest host, He gave gifts of horses from the herd in winter. He fed black ravens on the ramparts of a fortress, *Though he was no Arthur.* Among the powerful ones in battle, In the front rank, Gwarddur was a palisade." -Y Gododdin ('B' version only), verse 38 It *might* be the earliest mention of Arthur since the original y gododdin was written sometime around 600, but was constantly revised before being written down into 2 surviving versions from the 13th century, only 1 of which contains the verse. So it's a passing reference that may not have been in the original work.

[@TheBeastr]

@@rationalroundhead6739 it's interesting to see how the Arthur figure was a Celtic warlord and more over many sources from different mythos are heavily influential impacts as well as parallels to ancient epicization of cultural heroes. Maybe Why many people say King Arthur is the British Hercules?? not me just hear it often... Anyway even the Nart Sagas have ALOT of original or as close to the original sources of many mythos. Apparently some say that the sword in the stone started from a hero on the level of demigods jabbed his lance into the ground after/or mounted atop his massive steed, with such force no other man could lift it from the earth, none, but him. (Then he proceeded to sit on the bench with the rest of the exalted guests dining and drinking from their gracious hosts. But he sat down with such weight from his colossal iron-like body that the bench's legs dug straight into the floor. This guy was a beast that would put Hercules and Maui to shame.

[@pattheplanter]

I can make a good case for King Arthur being based on King Caractacus (Caratacus, Caradog, Caratauc), who ruled from the city of Camulodunum when Emperor Claudius invaded Britain. 450 years earlier and a different invader but we have the most powerful king in Britain at a time when there were many little kingdoms, several of which he defeated in battle. A king who did not die after his final catastrophic battle after 8 years of war with the Romans. He went away to a faraway mythical land known for its lovely apples (Rome). If you are actually interested, I wrote a long article on my blog. Just search for "some bad photos of plants".

[@justsomeguywithahandlebarm2456]

Gotta appreciate how she held back enough to only mention fate once

[@youdontknowme236]

It's incredibly hard not to do

[@ferintown6628]

I’m surprised she didn’t mention how mordred in fate is arturia’s daughter, but Arturia was the father

[@musicwalls]

She's actually gone on record to say that she doesn't like Fate. Her knowledge of the franchise probably doesn't go any further than what she said in this video.

[@fork4207]

@@musicwalls yeah I can see why it can get pretty convoluted with all the different versions of the characters and there not really being a set order to watch them in and everyone has different orders.

[@toekneemart5597]

​@@musicwalls nah doesn't like implies she knows enough to not like doesn't care(as is the case with me) is more like that's all you know

[@gota7738]

22:08 "England's hour of need" I think we welsh/cornish/bretons deserve a whole video dedicated to our oldest brythonic stories because it sucks when you create a hero to defend your home against the invading forces only to have everyone decide that he is in fact the king of the invading force.

[@jasonoconnor2064]

Gota, as an Englishman, an Irishman, a Welsh patriot and an Albione descendant of our beautiful Britain, I praise you. Please always speak for us all.

[@jorgepeterbarton]

Ikr, a celt defending against saxon. No welsh mabinogion even mentioned in video either

[@brokenglass9814]

If I see Tintagel Castle referred to as "Tintagel, England, the supposed birthplace of King Arthur" ONE MORE TIME I will cease to be whatever the opposite of really, very angry is.

[@floridaball4896]

I mean at this point the English are a mixture of basically everybody who's ever conquered or lived on the British isles

[@comradekenobi6908]

King Arthur is many things, but he was not a Saxon

[@addisonhamilton3382]

You know who I feel worst for in all of this? Arthur's younger sister Anna, who is mentioned once and never again.

[@isabellp.5730]

Someone should write a book from her perspective.

[@genevieveowusu885]

I'd like to think about that.

[@kaboomgaming4255]

Wait he has a sister?! Is this like the Peggy thing from Hamilton?

[@genevieveowusu885]

@@kaboomgaming4255 Basically.

[@addisonhamilton3382]

@@kaboomgaming4255 4:03

[@Danc929]

I wanted to learn about King Arthur and ended up reading a 800000 word visual novel over the course of a year and a half

[@charliemcfadden5882]

h.....homestuck?

[@Danc929]

@@charliemcfadden5882 fate stay night

[@taip1355]

at least you also learned about the Epic of Gilgamesh too

[@soyize7732]

@@taip1355 and cu chulainn

[@maracabo1176]

Fate Stay Night ?

[@CyreneDuVent]

Love knowing that a major founding work in Arthurian legend was an abandoned fanfic. The world truly never changes

[@cartersmith6628]

I like how, in the way you tell it, Morgan just BECOMES a better person presumably because of her own ambition. Like I imagine her after a fight with Arthur getting super depressed for like a year. Then taking a lot of time to just improve herself. Then one day that guy she tried to kill all the time just falls face first on her doorstep. I also like to imagine that she still dislikes Guinevere but she’s just more annoyed with her less all consumed in trying to take down a whole kingdom because of her.

[@Anonymous-ks1pn]

Mordred is Doofenshmirtz confirmed

[@exquisitecorpse__]

"Let's not go to Camelot." "Tis a silly place."

[@bodavidson2804]

Spamalot!

[@薇vern]

“Strange women lying in ponds is no basis for a system of government!”

[@broomy1610]

European or African swallow?

[@betsyb]

ni!

[@evetrevena4309]

i love all of you

[@snarkygal9221]

I feel like Galahad and Lancelot are the templates for Luke and Anakin, respectively. "I'm you but with standards," is probably a line used in both those universes.

[@gamingrubix1722]

Maybe but I feel like anakins turn is more of tragedy and is kind of the same is mordred who was manipulated by morgan

[@CSLucasEpic]

Also Lancelot is Galahad's father

[@TheBowTizzle]

Y’know, since Caliburn and Excalibur are believed to be two different swords if not the same, this begs the question; Why have we never seen King Arthur dual wielding in any other established interpretation?

[@gameover9390]

I believe because Dual wielding originates from Asia, and also because it’s impractical with that type of sword, mainly it’s weight and cross guard prevent it from being a one handed weapon.

[@legomania2427]

@@gameover9390B-But cool swords

[@joshuaholland5279]

Magic zuko sword!

[@metarcee2483]

An interesting version I heard was that Caliburn got either reforged or magically turned into Excalibur. I actually first heard that theory from Sonic and the Black Knight, of all things.

[@maxTheOG]

case in point he actually does dual wield in yugioh@@gameover9390

[@starbird3939]

“It would be a poly-armory” ... DID YOU JUST PUN?!

[@SatireDepartment]

Sinful

[@Ribbons0121R121]

of course

[@tcarrotgaming1639]

She has punned. She shall be *pun*ished. Wait....

[@SeppelSquirrel]

I died at that point. 🤣

[@Void-cn6rn]

That was really great in a few ways.

[@paperyoshi5933]

The only bomb bigger than the holly hand grenade is how ITS ALL FANFIC.

[@microbialdoormat]

Sorry, but mythology* And holy*

[@fodenphilipson3492]

Paper Yoshi and FAT MAN

[@quill9918]

Sooo. There's - a vague canon - a Mary Sue Do Not Steal oc UST story and an eternal WIP for a bunch of side ocs - a new Edgy(tm) Mary Sue, an oc based on the first Mary Sue oc set up as new Best Boi, an Epic Destiny Quest, and a backstory upgrade for a previously minor canon character all under an author who was pushing a really specific hate-boner for the original Mary Sue - the fandom dies a little bit - a new, younger fandom comes in and uses all the old aus and ocs that were fanon approved to write a bunch of aus and what-ifs that totally obsess over the love triangle and the Edgiest version of one of the og characters that scrubs everyone to be more Complex and Gritty Also, now I'm just picturing historians being really confused by the story of the "Avengers" and trying to figure out how they fit into 20th/21st century politics and if they were real people exaggerated by tale or just legends and looking at all the retcons like ????

[@zashgekido5616]

Well we're far enough in history to have a concept of fiction so

[@Mistwolfss]

lol yeeees!

[@blittleton4751]

Why not warhammer 40k? It probably has even more retcons and is probably more confusing

[@oddsdenver9673]

Robert William Agarao Espos if the name Elon Musk sounds familiar, he's known for being the first God-emperor of Mars

[@alexaliona]

at the very least, tony stark was real. he and robert downey jr are one and the same.

[@danielhuelsman76]

6:28 This part is incredibly useful for explaining what courtly love entails, and I have no idea why nobody else on KZbin has explained it like this.

[@devvildogg1775]

OMG im dying, when Morgan shows Arthur the giant painting of Lancelot and Guinevere its like those cheaters that make videos or selfies together, IDk Lancelot is stupid. hahahahaha

[@Ajehy]

He literally posted it on his wall!

[@camdenthompson4307]

so wait, Merlin went from a Druid to "Child blessed by both heaven and hell and now is pretty much can do magic"? WHY

[@borealsullivan5486]

Personally, I find latter version far more compelling. Merlin being Chaotic Good is surely a sight to behold

[@cuckoo-clockheart]

And now marlin is a sexy witch fighting alongside sir meliodes and the 7 deadly sins against the 10 commandments 😏

[@kaboomgaming4255]

@@cuckoo-clockheart huh

[@Lucifer_26]

@@cuckoo-clockheart great anime 👌

[@elig6791]

Personally I go with the legend of Dinas emrys. Where Merlin was supposed to be sacrificed to god because vortigerns (one of the many princes in Wales) castle kept falling down. Merlin explain it was because of two dragons fighting in a pool under the hill Vortigern was building building his fancy new castle on. So they dug into the side of the mountain and there where two dragons fighting. One red (the welsh) and one white (the Anglo-saxons) after three days the dragons stopped fighting because the white dragon flew away with a rather large hole in the side of its neck. See this myth is symbolic of the welsh fighting against Anglo Saxon conquest. Very symbolic, and may I say Merlin was between the age of 5-8 so go read the Mabinogion. It’s actually really interesting and welsh mythology is sick af! This story is also why the welsh have a cool kick ass dragon in their flag

[@beccag2758]

I'm waiting when in year 4020, people try to figure out if this statue of a dude with a shield who has a million conflicted stories written about him is a real person or not. Captain America: America's King Arthur

[@chelsey8737]

😂😂😂😂

[@moesnnargul1717]

people will debate on whether the ironclad noble stark is in the right or the man with the shield

[@realunhingedraccoon]

Ok but imagine if they do that about George Washington.

[@amanpotdar]

The actual Civil War shall be forgotten and only the 2016 Russo Bros Civil War shall be remembered

[@leyspun]

At that point they will have cloned Stan Lee

[@ekoi1995]

1:55 We don't know if Arthur existed 2:30 Phase 1: Annales Cambriae 3:05 Phase 2: Geoffrey of Monmouth ∟3:17 1100's Geoffrey of Monmouth's Historia regem Britanniae ∟3:17 Cadwallader ∟3:50 Merlin helps Uther bang Igerna by shape-shifting him to look like Gorlois ∟3:59 Arthur was conceived ∟4:27 Mordred marries Guinevere and usurps the throne ∟4:44 Caleddfwlch -> Caliburn -> excalibur 5:14 Phase 3: Chretien de Troyes ∟5:32 Lancelot du Lac ∟5:47 Grail Coutly Love ∟6:28 Love for love's sake the idea that you pursue love simply because you are in love ∟6:37 exaltation of the beloved lady exactly what is says on the tin ∟6:45 the ennobling power of love, the idea that love makes you a better, more noble person ∟6:49 unfulfilled desire: the idea that courtly love doesn't have a win condition, you just keep it going for its own sake ∟7:05 First Crusade ∟8:16 Guinvere is married to Arthur, but she's in love with Lancelot ∟8:41 The Wounded King ∟8:53 Percival ∟9:04 Afterwards, one of the courtiers angrily tells him that if he'd just asked who the Grail was for and why the lance was bleeding, the Fisher King's injury would be healed and they'd have all been saved. 9:23 Phase 4: The Vulgate Cycle ∟9:40 Thomas Malory ∟10:06 Myrddin Wyllt ∟10:11 Aurelius Ambrosius (Emrys Wledig) ∟10:19 Merlin son of a virgin and an incubus. ∟10:26 baptized baby Merlin and saved him from potential Antichristness ∟10:53 pulling excalibur ∟11:04 falls in love with Niviane 11:23 The Holy Grail ∟11:23 Galahad - illegitimate son of Lancelot and Elaine ∟13:21 Morgan Le Fay ∟14:11 Gawain and the Green Knight ∟15:20 Mordred fails too marry Guinvere because she hides from him in the Tower of London ∟15:41 moral of the Vulgate is adultery is bad ∟16:30 The stories were getting more Pagan elements at the same time more Christian elements 17:09 Phase 5: The Lull 17:38 Phase 6: Nostalgia

[@gabrielgonzalez3462]

People like you are amazing and thank you

[@omegabet3912]

Absolutely amazing note taking, thank you.

[@pseudonym1337]

Overly Sarcastic Productions c. 3000 AD: "So today we're going to talk about the 21st century magical story of Harry Potter. What most people don't know about this story is that the main character Enoby was actually a later addition into the canon who replaced Vampire in the lead role, and that the plot of the original text was actually written in seven parts that in the modern mythos have been boiled down to just one..."

[@kaleidoslug7777]

I can't put into words how much I hope that doesn't happen (as strong as the historical precedent is).

[@Serocco]

"The original Star Wars was 9 films that we boiled down to two."

[@saixenophase]

I see that shitty Harry Potter reference. Good job, m8.

[@Alias_Anybody]

+HyPearl YT Yeah, hopefully, but take Star Wars for example: Many people are even now confused what the heck is canon and what isn't. One major global breakdown and it will get extremely confusing for later generations.

[@stevenirizarry1304]

Anthony Interiano the hilarious part is that I can see that

[@samvidas9599]

"Everyone knows Merlin, but what if Merlin was a skinny British kid?" *The Kid Who Would Be King raised you one*

[@tompatterson1548]

Sam Vidas no he couldn’t because of the act of settlement

[@jessecollins3652]

Why was Merlin an old man pretending to be a child in that movie?

[@boohooter23]

@@jessecollins3652 Ikr like if that scenario happened irl Merlin would probably end up being on multiple sex offender registries

[@JP-sm4cs]

@@boohooter23 true, but I think having the literal anti-christ who's evil destiny was avoided by dunking him in some holy water, making him a near omnipotent autistic wizard instead would be a bit much for a kids movie. That said, I really want that to be made into a film some day.

[@JacklynHuynh]

Jesse Collins Lol he wasn’t. They just made Merlin the same age as Arthur in BBC’s Merlin

[@sylendraws1249]

Fantasy Politics **Guy* *pulls* *a* *sword* *out* *of* *a* *stone** Random person: That Guy should rule our country!

[@Crystalgate]

Except for discworld. In discworld, the people realize that it's the guy who put the sword into the rock who did the hardest work.

[@InquisitorThomas]

SylenDraws In the 19th century the way they selected royalty was also pretty weird, a lot of Kingdoms that were formed Europe (mostly recently independent chunks of the Balkans that the Ottoman Empire coughed up in its prolonged death throws) often just invited random Germans nobles to be Kings without actually having to know anything about the country they’re going to rule, looking back it’s kind of bizarre.

[@666melodeath666]

“You can’t Expect to wield supreme power because Some Watery Tart threw a sword at you”

[@AllYourPals]

"Well i didn't vote for him!" congratulations if you got that reference you have comedic taste

[@Healermain15]

It's THE PROPHECY! *guitar riff*

[@QuiescentCookie]

I find it staggering how you managed to cover king Arthur without talking about his inclusion in Y Mabinogion which is a collection of welsh tales written down in the 14th century (red book of Hergest etc) which are retellings and writing down of the much earlier welsh oral tradition and where these myths came from (post roman Britain culture) i grew up with the welsh tellings of many of these tales. Quick handy guide for translation for you for the above welsh names btw - Myrddin Wyllt - wild merlin (or merlin the wild) Caledfwlch - caled = hard and bwlch = gap but bwlch may have had another meaning in old welsh. I'm a first language Welsh speaker and wholeheartedly reccomend translations of the mabinogi to anyone who's interested also. Also Cadwaladr is quite a famous old welsh king here. ETA i saw in a later video apologising about not knowing about welsh mythology and an explanation which is grand. Also if you want a hand with welsh pronunciation I'm willing to send recordings of me saying stuff for you both.

[@sockpuppetqueen]

Hey if you're on Twitter, you could try reaching OSP there to offer your Welsh pronunciation skills! I doubt red's gonna be reading comments on a year old video, but Twitter might actually work

[@QuiescentCookie]

@@sockpuppetqueen cheers for the suggestion, I only use twitter for work stuff though.

[@bib4eto656]

In uni, I took a 2 week course in Arthurian Legends, and I was thinking "wait, wasn't the Grail actually introduced in the older Welsh tales, but a bit different?". Might be wrong thought, it was quite a long time ago.

[@ConvincingPeople]

I was about to say this! The way that the Grail is framed in the Mabinogion is really interesting and weird and I was surprised to see that it wasn't touched upon, so I'm glad they came back to it later.

[@char1211]

For someone who doesn't want to learn Welsh but would like to be a bit better at estimating how y'all pronounce things, what's up with words that don't contain any vowels? Are there any easy ways to figure out their pronunciation? Swedish is my mother tongue so I usually default to that when I'm unsure about Welsh/Irish/Gaelic but when there aren't any vowels I don't even know where to start.

[@jacksonbowns1087]

So this tells me that the Fate/ interpretation of Arthurian legends is just as valid as any other version.

[@crawlingboy]

Yep

[@MrSonny6155]

To be fair, the Fate multiverse almost accepted the polyamory. But then Morgan and Agravain happened and Lancelot went insane with guilt and envy, Mordred got tired of his/her dad/mom's bullshit, and Arthur still has no idea what "ruling" is even after multiple "Get-Out-of-Timeline" free cards.

[@sonokawaray]

Given how Fate servants work, I for one want to know what Clark Kent-like shenanigans Artoria was pulling off to convincingly pass off as a king rather than queen back in her time.

[@andrewcapra7153]

@@sonokawaray Guinevere was in on it, Kay was constantly running interference with the other knights, and Avalon stopped her aging so they never had to deal with things like LArtoria's supermassive tits and they could conceivably pass everything else off as Artoria just being a permanently prepubescent boy.

[@Sigismund697]

Does these mean that that universe where a elementary school Shirou defeats an adolescent Jeanne only for them to reunite when he summons her in that version of the war is Canon too?

[@SeleneRoseRM]

Im disappointed no one is mentioning her "poly-armory" joke

[@Johnwicklover1994]

good news, the comment under yours is about that joke

[@atomicnectar]

It was pretty pun-ny

[@teslaromans1023]

For real. That joke made me cackle like a scheming Morgan

[@Gilleban]

I merely groaned...a friend of mine runs a shop in Hollywood that makes swords and armor for films (hence the goofy helmet in my profile picture) and, admittedly, it was a little funny the first 20,000 times I heard it.

[@cheeleen_gaming]

I thought she was just saying it wrong, but this is better

[@GoblinHours-im2ue]

The only cannon I accept is the adventure where Arthur’s friends got captured and he saved them all riding of the back of OSTRICHES. I love that story

[@FortunateSon-mo9zi]

...You sure that's from the Medieval stories and not from a Monty Python and the Holy Grail fanfic?

[@GoblinHours-im2ue]

@@FortunateSon-mo9zi it not from either, my dad just told it to me. But it must be cannon. I refuse to accept any other reality

[@FortunateSon-mo9zi]

@@GoblinHours-im2ue Si.

[@samrevlej9331]

... what.

[@GoblinHours-im2ue]

@@samrevlej9331 my dad would tell my that story when I was younger and it’s the only thing I choose to believe

[@davidthetraveler1466]

You know, the whole Lancelot and Galahad comparison feels like someone wrote a really popular fanfic with an OC that everybody likes, causing him to get incorporated into other people's stories, but that one writer later on thinks is not all that good and really rather bad and toxic and so writes their own fanfic with their own OC that creates consequences for the first one and shows what they think is arguably a much better and more wholesome character in response.

[@BloodyCaesar]

Red: "Chretien de Troyes, A French poet whose name I also can't pronounce." Also Red: Nails pronouncing Chretien de Troyes.

[@alanbarnett718]

Red is the ONLY person I've ever heard pronounce that name properly! (Most say "Troy" as in the Trojan War.)

[@MozillaVulpix]

Moral of the story: Original Characters are as old as literature itself. Makes me want to judge fanfiction a bit less harshly.

[@oof-rr5nf]

MozillaVulpix Yeah! Keep your thoughts in that direction! A lot of fanfiction is rather brilliant, if I do say so as an AO3-obsessed reader.

[@MrAwesomeTheAwesome]

Plagiarism is claiming another's work as your own. When a piece is described as fan fiction, it is obvious - if implicitly - that the author is drawing characters or ideas from another author's creations. Actual plagiarism is really uncool, but plagiarism isn't illegal. It's copyright and trademark infringement which are illegal. Using another author's material to sell your own stories is legally considered Unfair Competition if consumers may be buying your work instead of the original author's work, or may lean more towards Trademark Infringement if your usage of their characters may appear linked to the original characters and potentially twist their reputation in an unintended way. Imagine if, for example, Harry Potter were written into another story as turning to a Death Eater, becoming racist, and still being portrayed by the new author as a moral protagonist. This is one possible scenario Trademark Infringement seeks to avoid. Fan fiction lies in a strange place because fan fiction is free. There are no damages to sue for because readers aren't losing money they could be spending on the original author, and the fan fiction author can't give their money to the original author because, well, they're not making any money. Unless they're pulling in advertisement revenue. Authors have sued fan fiction bloggers for ad revenue. And won. Generally speaking, authors accept fan fiction as uncontrollable and unstoppable, sometimes even endearing, or, usually, ignore it as irrelevant. Only if a fan fiction author claims the work as their own does it become plagiarism. --- As to this: "The issue with fan fiction, unlike fan art, is the barrier for entry is low. At least with art you have to know how to draw, and not everybody does." I must disagree. A viewer can more easily determine the quality of a piece of fan art at a (literal) glance, and then decide to share it or not. This has made high-quality fan art mainstream. You can click out of fan fiction when you see spelling errors or missing punctuation/capitalization, but you still have to invest several minutes to determine its quality. Most people don't have that time, and there are few people who review fan fictions. It's a thankless, time-consuming job. So fan fiction remains an impossibly difficult-to-navigate sludge of awful writing with a few hidden gems. In contrast, the top .1% of fan art is shown prominently on platforms like tumblr, reddit, pinterest, deviantart, and facebook - just off the top of my head. --- Fan fiction is an interesting exercise and can build writing and storytelling skill, or just function as wish fulfillment. Either way, it's generally not hurting anyone, and while most fan fiction is deplorably bad, it doesn't need to get so much flak. It's a fun and easy way of getting into writing, and if it didn't have such a stigma attached, maybe more people would find their passion as a writer through it. --- Wow, that got long. Just my two cents. Cheers.

[@Doomsday-yo7lh]

Sayem Dude 99% of anything is garbage. Sturgeon’s Law. And so what if it isn’t exactly of high quality? Most of it is for fun, and besides that, all authors have to start SOMEWHERE. Yeah the barrier of entry is low but that’s what makes it the perfect place for new authors to start. They have a free space where they can practice writing and receive criticism, thus allowing them to improve their craft. Heck, there are a ton of full-time writers who started off writing fanfics on the Internet. Also there’s a world of difference between plagiarism and making fan works.

[@chrischaplin3126]

>Writing stories about someone else’s characters. I never did that and I never approved of that.... So… No star wars novels or other tie-in books for IPs, Sanderson shouldn't be working on The Wheel of Time because he didn't start it, multiple writers doing different movies in a series, etc… >Name one who isn't a fucking hack. Got any bestselling authors in there? Can't find the episode at the moment but years ago on Writing Excuses one of the hosts said they wrote some fanfic. >The normal place to start is with creative writing! Go to Writing Excuses, listen to the writing in other people's universes episode.

[@chrischaplin3126]

>What is this and why should I give a single flying fuck? A podcast about writing by published writers. >Name one who isn't a fucking hack. Got any bestselling authors in there? Dan Wells, New York Times bestselling author. Also, bestselling or doesn't count lol is a stupid metric. What MVPs in sports are the only players that have anything useful to say about their sport? You must be a top exec at Microsoft to talk about computers? Fifty Shades of Grey was a bestseller, how many authors didn't like that book? >The normal place to start is with creative writing! Doing it yourself! >You know REAL WRITERS HATE fan fiction, right? >Name one who isn't a fucking hack. >the legal consent of the original creator So everything must be original, unless you have paperwork. Because paperwork = creative.

[@petermarsella6537]

I know it's spelled "Engla-land" but every time I hear it I just think "ah yes, angle land. Land of angles."

[@arizonagreenbee]

They're really obtuse

[@rmsgrey]

Legend has it that Pope Gregory, on encountering some foreign slaves in an Italian market and learning what people they were responded "Not Angles but angels", so puns on the name go back at least as far as the late 6th century.

[@epauletshark3793]

That's where it came from, the angles and the Saxons went to what would be england.

[@firstname4097]

just make the whole country in the shape of a 30-60-90 triangle, land of angles right there. or a giant unit circle, however they'd accomplish that

[@lau_taro0037]

If the Anglos didn't invade it England would be called by latinization Seaxland, which in turn would be anglified into Sexland

[@pandorasboxofcatvideos5892]

Was kinda wondering when you would mention Fate. Also, for those wondering, despite Arthur(or Artoria in this) being a girl, Fate provides a really good and cohesive version of Arthurian mythos. Artoria being a female is addressed, and worked seamlessly into the myths, and is more than just waifu bait. The version presented by Fate fleshes out details of the myth, such as how Arthur would act and think if raised and trained from such a young age to be the ideal, fair, perfect king, or how Lancelot's downfall occurred, writing his affair as wrong, but not writing him as truly evil. They also show a rather interesting depiction of Mordred. I suggest either watching Fate/Zero(that's what the clip was from) or just reading the wiki entries for their characters, which actually go into a lot of detail, more even than the anime.(due probably to the visual novels and FGO). Fate draws from tons of historical settings, and a lot of mythos, and is really skilled at adding new twists to classic characters, without compromising the identity.

[@shawnfrostick8417]

As a Fate fan myself, I do agree with everything, even the part on Mordred….until you remember why we call Merlin the Cock Wizard.

[@pandorasboxofcatvideos5892]

@@shawnfrostick8417 I feel like that just makes Mordred's depiction more interesting

[@TheNapster153]

Well said, sir. Even after Apocrypha's design, I considered the Camlann flashback in DEEN's Fate/Stay Night to be the best interpretation , that image of Mordred's helm shattering to reveal an almost duplicate of Artoria is beautifully haunting image that expresses a form of trauma Artoria may have gotten from the battle. Mordreds likeness in that seen also better served to put salt on the injury that at the end of the day, it was noneother than the king that became the downfall of their own realm.

[@spookychicken9978]

I'm not entirely sure I can agree with the "not just waifu bait" all things about fate considered. Like I actually really enjoy fate and find it fascinating but a lot of it is a more or less compelling story built on the foundation of waifu bait.

[@pandorasboxofcatvideos5892]

@@spookychicken9978 2 things 1: if we are talking Fate/Stay Night, considering the original story was an adult visual novel, it's come far. 2: if we are talking FGO, then what did you expect from anime gacha mobile game?

[@asfm2]

We then: "Exaltation of the Beloved Lady" We now: "Simp"

[@ahmedamine24]

To be fair, it's a toxic mindset.

[@MarcoFire820g]

who would think that modern perspective would turn Lancelot, the original Gary Stu, into the lowest of the low

[@AdamaGeist]

Well, to be brutally honest the idea of Courtly Love includes two very important points. One, that the person you love also loves you in return (which is why it's not SUPPOSED To be a simp, it's supposed to be MUTUAL Pining) and two (which Lancelot fucks up with) is that you're never ACTUALLY supposed to obtain the one you love. Which is the problem with the Lancelot stories, because oh yeah he does fuck Gwenevere. Every chance they get. It ceases to be courtly love and becomes 'We shouldn't, but we lack the moral character to stop'.

[@IONATVS]

AdamaGeist Actually, like half of courtly love stories are unrequited-the beloved lady doesn’t want anything to do with the creep who keeps sending her sappy loveletters and breaking into the mansion of the husband-who even if she doesn’t like at least isn’t being a stalker and has the means to support her-and so she sends him on impossible quests hoping he’ll just die and get out of her hair forever. Which ofc to the French Romantics turned the “love is desire never to be fulfilled” aspect up to 11, so they could think of the creep as even *more* of a tragic figure as he’s such a “nice guy” but she just “can’t see it.” 🤢 Thankfully Lance isn’t THAT kind of courtly love story.

[@cooperross9495]

Not "we." Just a bunch of internet misogynists.

[@OGseoulite]

Literally love that Gallahad's whole character arc is being the golden child

[@marsproductions1]

Isn't he also an eternal virgin? Like, he's sorta doomed to never have physical lore or is that just modern myth?

[@IONATVS]

His traditional portrayal is as a celibate-someone who willingly forgoes the whole Eros/Romantic Love thing so he can fully devote himself to God and Agape/Unconditional Love of Neighbor. So yes, he is a virgin his entire life in most versions, but it isn’t considered tragic because it was his own conscious choice and done for the right reasons. Like the whole “courtly love” weirdness, there’s another cultural disconnect between the Catholic worldview where sex is a good and sacred thing but must be treated with care and respect and is not something everyone is called to participate in (more common at the time), versus the secular worldview that’s been around throughout history (including elsewhere in Arthurian legend) of “wow this guy needs to get laid”.

[@SodorTrain1225]

14:58 Question: Why did Morgan reform? Answer: Magic Tree House.

[@datkid318]

yes

[@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967]

YES! Magic Treehouse is a pretty underrated series.

[@morningglorymoth]

MY CHILDHOOD

[@phoenixxkn5555]

THE NOSTALGIA REEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@kawaiiconcept7479]

eyyyyyyy

[@lupin2361]

I absolutely love Merlin. Not only because he’s literally just an Istari in Middle-Earth terms, but also bc he’s chaotically relatable. This can be evidenced in his christianized portrayal of being a failed antichrist, where he takes Arthur under his wing to edubecate him on his journey (Not as a father/Uncle figure, but more like that one super cool professor all of us have had who straight up makes us their sidekick). One of my favorite tropes is Merlin being a grump & a recluse when asked for help, yet immediately changing his entire demeanor at the mere mention of the word “magic” (not only do I see magic as Merlin’s one true hyper-fixation in life, but I’m fairly certain it’s his trigger word, causing him to devolve into what’s essentially just Jack Black).

[@toothbastard]

"If Arthur, Guinevere and Lancelot had all just been honest about their feelings and entered into a mutually supportive romantic relationship, we could've called it a polyarmory" The best summary of King Arthur ever. Edit: What is Mechs

[@ellendavis9272]

Cries in high noon over Camelot

[@rmsgrey]

That's practically text in T H White's version (The Once And Future King, mostly based on Malory, the first portion of which, The Sword In The Stone, was Disney's inspiration for their movie): in White's canon, Arthur knows about Lancelot and Guinevere's relationship before it happens (thanks to Merlin knowing the future) - and, by the end, everyone knows about it, but no-one says anything because a) Arthur's obviously okay with it, and b) official acknowledgement of it would mean the two of them facing the penalties for treason. No-one, that is, except Mordred, who forces the issue, with Arthur reluctantly allowing investigation to be carried out and the course of the law to be followed. Lancelot rescues Guinevere from execution and secures her absolution from the Pope, but Arthur can't avoid going to war with Lancelot, leaving Mordred in charge - who promptly sets out to usurp the throne and take Guinevere as his wife.

[@foldabotZ]

Now, I'd want to read that!

[@dothmotherknowyouwearth]

*fanfiction time*

[@PrincessX-ke8tj]

@@ellendavis9272 I see you, fellow Mechs fan. Although the ending wasn't much better.

[@zekeallis4926]

In many of the versions I read Vivian was actually in love with Merlin and trapped him with magic so he would be hers forever. Oddly enough, Merlin was super down for this. Guess he had a thing for Yanderes.

[@metaxu3305]

It's the Lancelot-Graal.

[@ilovecairns5181]

Vivian is also 12 btw

[@wildcardjoey4776]

@@ilovecairns5181 and Lancelot's kid

[@giggabiite4417]

@@ilovecairns5181 why do u think she Cryo-froze merlin? To fix the time difference (I wrote this and even I don't like it)

[@coinshot]

Neglect fetish

[@KennyHazy97]

Western European knights before the Crusades: Reclaim the Holy Lands from the Saracen pestilence! Deus Vult! After coming back from the Crusades: This is just like one of my Arabic romance poems!

[@loadeddice7831]

So they were 16th century weebs.

[@1krani]

Would it have been Saracen pestilence or Turkish pestilence? Because the Turks were the guys raising all kinds of hell around Constantinople, not the Saracens.

[@Sigismund697]

@@1krani all heretics are the same really Put them all to the sword

[@DarthPlaugas]

Oh God Araboos....( I hope that that araboos is not actually racist somehow)

[@albertschoise8091]

DarthPlaugas probably is. I mean, almost everything is these days

[@Ukfiremage]

I'm surprised you did not cover the more recent versions and how they covered such important new elements to the story like a lack of horses, coconuts brought in by swallow and the now extinct killer bunny...

[@dj_koen1265]

Idk I distinctly remember the horses in that version

[@kaiserwilhelmii674]

So a *French* OC ruined a marriage? Imagine my shock.

[@fritzvoss5263]

Ehrenmann

[@artoriasbenoit]

I think we all can agree, France would've been better off if it stood with the Holy Roman Empire after Charlemagne died

[@CatroiOz]

@@artoriasbenoit Blame the Franks' retarded idea that sons should divide the realm of their father's equally between them instead of the eldest inheriting all

[@blackmonish]

@@CatroiOz Thank you... I would look at the shifting national barriers at that time and wondered how it all got chopped up so fast (other than, you know... Franks and Goths stuff) that makes so much more sense now. I'm big on history, but I'm still making my way through post fall of western Rome to Holy Roman Empire period. Appreciate that bit of knowledge man.

[@blackmonish]

@@artoriasbenoit I'm sure they thought they could throw enough axes to make all their problems go away. It worked with Rome... kind of. Lol

[@thatoneguy1820]

Arthur running off yelling “Fight me Caesar!” Made me laugh more than I expected

[@highdefinitionapollo2189]

My favorite interpretation of the relationship between Modred and Morgan is that Morgan raised Modred since he was a child to one day destroy Arthur and take over his throne, but somewhere along the way for one reason or another Morgan reforms only to find herself unable to control the monster she had created.

[@nathanielhellman6952]

This would be my interpretation of events, but this is what I like. Mordred is the son of Morgause and Arthur who only finds out about it later in life that he is a bastard born of incest. He naturally freaks out over this and is left questioning what to do. Arthur goes off to Gaul to fight Lancelot and this leaves Mordred in charge. He decides to stop fighting the Saxons, because the Kingdom is tired from all of the war and he would bleed the Kingdom dry trying to defeat them. He also confronts his mother about the whole incest part of his past and kills her for it. When Arthur gets back he accuses Mordred of cowardliness for stopping the war, but the people love him for ending it. When Arthur is forced to confront this Mordred also tells Arthur that he knows that he is Arthur's biological son and half-nephew. This leads to the strife of Camelot between those who support Arthur and war and those that support Mordred and peace. This ends the way it usually does, maybe Mordred is made immortal and has to wonder the world, but apart from that yeah things end the same way.

[@zerothefool2437]

i'd like that interpretation only if Mordred's breaking point wasn't that he was raised to be evil, but that when he figured out that he was Arthur's son, he become too obsessed with wanting to get his father's approval, when he didn't get it, he throws a fit and we all know how that goes down

[@sobersplash6172]

ZERO THE FOOL Ahh i see you've read Fate as well

[@jayf872]

That's straight up the canon in the Fate/Stay Night universe, I believe.

[@jonsnor4313]

The fate version arthur wants just prevent mordred the hoe from a sad life full of lies and loneliness, That makes mordreds rebellion even sadder, as it allis a big understanding. Mordred best saber with nero.

[@frostbite0707]

The version of The Green knight I read from a British literature book, had the trial of the Green knight a test to see if Arthur and his knights were noble and honest. In fact, they go out of their way to describe Morgan as a benevelent but ultimately neutral Character to Arthur. She doesn't antagonize him because she hates him but to see if he is actually worthy of the throne and is upholding his moral obligations.

[@several__owls6575]

You left out the part where Author had two coconuts and was banging them together.

[@justas423]

No that's his servant

[@colbaltmind5696]

Where did he even find coconuts, a tropical fruit, in England of all things? A swallow?

[@arnouth5260]

ColbaltMind African or European?

[@RandomThoughtsFromEll]

@@colbaltmind5696 its a monty python reference.

[@isaktornros7926]

@@RandomThoughtsFromEll r/woosh

[@LuckySketches]

I like good-girl Morgan. It's nice to see the kids getting along. Also I like to imagine Mordred as an angsty teen edgelord who's TOTALLY NOT GOING THROUGH A PHASE MOM, JEEZ! GET OUT OF MY LIFE ALREADY!

[@saber2802]

My headcanon of Arturia and Mordred's relationship is just that, if they actually did have a relationship that was a bit more familial.

[@sorufa888]

I wish we could see more interactions of Galahad and Mordred. The bastard children of the two most prominent figures of the stories and women who were disguised as Guinevere. Despite this, they take opposite paths of the virtuous and eternal virgin knight in shining armor vs the quarter fae black knight who was driven by ambition and spite to gain what he deemed his birthright

[@Angel12068]

Yes. Now i really want to see it happening

[@cheeleen_gaming]

Yeah.

[@SlimRhyno]

I genuinely loved your rendition of "If Ever I Would Leave You." It is such an epically beautiful song, and your version was certainly no exception. So, I guess I'm trying to say thank you for recording it and putting it in video. Sorry, that song makes me feel things, and I'm not great with that, but I thought it was worth my uncomfortable stumbling to let you know that I really did love your version.

[@queenie963]

“End up rooming together in a flat in London” ................... OH MY GOD THEY WERE ROOMATES

[@slevinchannel7589]

...All this talk about Cheating being thought-to-be-okay and then changing into the objectively better "Be loyal to your wife already, dimwit!" is reminding me of all the Polygamy-Propaganda nowadays. People get (on varying levels) more and more into the idea that Polygamy is ok - or more. Or actually awesome - or more. And the most intense say it's the nature of all humans and everyone who doesnt do it is a stupid Loser (no kidding, some say this). Yeah, some even outright insult Monogamy and say it's outdated and should die already. Well, i answer to that: "No, Polygamy should die already."

[@RF-mc8cx]

@Slevin Channel .....can't the two coexist??

[@dontaylor7315]

@@RF-mc8cx Sure they can. In fact, they do.

[@mamagoosey]

*le gasp* ICONIC

[@riccardoboa742]

@@slevinchannel7589 oooor everyone could just mind their own business and let people live in relationships as they want them

[@mossycobbIe]

Oh my god Lancelot’s story is *literally* “A Knight’s Tale”

[@DeathBringerBecky]

I caught that too xD

[@ForrestFox626]

The movie?

[@Ribbons0121R121]

TOOK YA LONG ENOUGH

[@demigodgamer8517]

Wait... but that would somehow make Adhemar Arthur... which I do not like.

[@demigodgamer8517]

@Hans Hanzo Neither did I, I just don't want to conflate him with Arthur if Will is basically Lancelot.

[@joelharber2100]

So excalibur basically means "neat sword"

[@dr.monreauphd8488]

no sword of power merlin calls it is sword of truth !

[@tyrant-den884]

From the United K he's looking for heaven, I am goin to Californiaaaaa!

[@joelharber2100]

@@tyrant-den884 this is exactly what I wanted to happen. Thank you.

[@ahmedamine24]

@@tyrant-den884 Blech!

[@tyrant-den884]

@@ahmedamine24 Soul Eater.

[@navada4789]

“What the heck Jeffery, that’s not even slightly historically viable!” Same Blue omg-

[@monikakavaliunaite8017]

Honestly when I watched the TV show merlin I knew so little about the actual legends that most of the legendary events seemed like unpredictable plot twists. Gwen becoming queen, Morgana turning evil, Mordred becoming an antogonist, Gwen being unfaithful, even Arthur dying

[@Nechrostriker4]

In Gwenevere's defence, she only cheated on Arthur in the show because Morgana did magic shit. Sure, she obviously liked him, but she also loved Arthur, and Morgana only shoved her one way to try and ruin them both. At least Lancelot was a Humble one in the show

[@Nechrostriker4]

@Leanne I mean, the canonical Lancelot was meant to have no real character flaws either. They were essentially this hot, perfect Mary Sue OC inserted by a French Author after the Arthurian Legends made their way across the sea. At the same time, Courtly Love was this new genre of romance in France at the time, so in addition to them slotting in their own perfect self-insert, they wrote them to have this grand affair with Gwenevere as some forbidden romance, a breath of true love from the duties and loyalties imposed on Gwenevere by marriage to Arthur.

[@intergalactic92]

I'll always remember when we were discussing the first season at home and trying to work things out based on our limited knowledge of the Arthurian myth. The biggest talking point was over who Morgana was. Was she the lady of the lake? It was only when I remembered the character of Morgan le Fey in the (crap) late 90s film Prince Valiant that I realised she was going to be a baddie.

[@DarthKanye]

i love this show honestly, i consider it as canon

[@short_73]

there a season 6 audiobook on youtube jus so you know.

[@wimpyapple8093]

My favorite Authurian legend is the one where it turns out that King Authur was a giant blue hedgehog who had an affinity with running fast and an obsession with chili dogs.

[@callianr6980]

Wimpyapple I remember that game! It sucked! Had some nice graphics, though.

[@a.n.9800]

That game was so dumb, but it had one of the coolest Crush 40 songs.

[@alfa01spotivo]

Wimpyapple ? It was pretty good actually. Good soundtrack, really good story and fun gameplay. It's underrated.

[@IkeOkerekeNews]

Wimpyapple Best '06 joke I have ever seen.

[@alfa01spotivo]

Ike Okereke no its a Black Knight reference

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

My first introduction to the King Arthur mythos is the Magic Treehouse series. For that reason, I will always be a fan of Morgan. :-)

[@QwErTy-cw6fh]

Obi-Wan Kenobi correct my man. That was my first taste. Love it

[@juanmanuelpenaloza9264]

Those were some good kids' novels...thenk you Ms Osborne

[@fictionfan0]

Don't watch the Justice League cartoon. She's a different person there.

[@spinningninja2]

*inhales deeply* saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame

[@debodatta7398]

When was Britain in charge of China? or Russia? or Brazil? or the whole of the united states? come on the map at 0:09 is completely inaccurate.

[@davidmouser596]

Yep, Arthurian literature is at heart mostly ancient fan fiction but some things to consider: 1) The Romano/British Governor (cant remember which) who stayed behind was nick named Merlin as he was considered a wise old bird (i.e. he could think beyond breakfast.) 2) Pendragon most likely referred to the chief commander of the Romano British levies which followed Dragon standards (especially the cavalry) 3) Malory's 'Le Morte D Arthure' and other post 1066 literature was based upon a character who was an enemy of the SAXONs who where the defeated enemies of the ruling NORMAN aristocracy. 4) After 1066 all the Saxon literature was destroyed (except for the Saxon chronical & Beowulf) and the original Roman/Celtic lore was rewritten (Christianised).

[@put1996]

Watching this video King Arthur historical value make me think... will people a thousand year later arguing if Captain America is real or not?

[@scifiguy9000]

...Probably.

[@BlueDoubleSharp]

Now class, today we will be discussing the legends or comics, as they were called, of the 21st century, specifically Captain America. Historians are unsure if he truly existed, as we all know that the technology for such super soldiers had not yet been perfected by the United States Military, but it would be feasible.

[@17-MASY]

7:17 As someone coming from an Islamic than Arabic background;I was somewhat flabbergasted to find out that they had to do with the Arthurian legend 11:47 déjà vu

[@ccvcharger]

put1996 Of course Captain America was real. He's the one who ended World War II by punching Hitler in the face.

[@110000116699]

put1996 we would need a period where we lost a lot of records and stoped recording therm for awhile

[@Luke_Danger]

This is probably the first time I heard someone describe Lancelot as "someone's OC do not steal"... yet that's also pretty apt.

[@alethearia]

Oh dude. The Fisher King has so many roots in native Celtic beliefs in fertility and sovereignty. Such an interesting folklore dive if you're up for it.

[@nora5217]

Every now and then i remember the mechanisms' take on arthurian myth, which set the whole thing on a wild west-themed space station, had Lancelot/Guenivere/Arthur as a poly(armored) triad, gave everybody guns, and had Mordred as Arthur's son (who was born as his daughter Morgause, and grew up and transitioned after being rescued by saxons from a Donner Party-level disaster of which he and gawain were the only survivors). also galahad was a preacher whose brain was (literally) fried by visions of the G.R.A.I.L. (which was the password to the station's extremely damaged and disused systems) which would allow the... protagonists... to power the engines and drive it away from the sun, except that mordred who went mad with grief after gawain went mad in general and killed all the saxons who raised him, killed arthur/guenivere/lancelot after they found the grail and drove the whole station into the sun, because reasons. also it was a musical and there were tarot themes!

[@florofern6470]

I was literally just coming here to say that because that is one of my absolute favourite adaptations of arthurian mythos

[@Cancoillotteman]

Actually the modern take on Arthur as a bad husband AND Lancelot as a self-absorbed prick has been made in the French series Kaamelott. If you speak French you have to give a go, it's amazingly entertaining