Facebook Marketplace. Was I Scammed? Suzuki Bandit 600 part 1

[@kpcm834]

Unbelievable, I had this bike about 6 years ago, it gave nothing but trouble, there is an issue with the loom also, one day it will run fine and the next it won't, head light will also come on when you engage the steering lock, it had oil cooler issues too, so I sold it as a breaker and can't believe it's somewhat still on the road, best of luck bud as I think you'll need it

[@newmotorcycleguy]

wow! this is news i did not want to read! the guy i bought it from said nothing of this! But he did show me lots of photos of him travelling around on it. I feel he had the issue I'm having, didn't tell me and had it stood till the mug (me) came along, I am having an electrical issue at the moment with starting it. To be honest I'm really enjoying working through this bike, I've actually seen a complete loom for 100 quid if worse comes to worst! if you have any parts for it I'm in Leeds! although i do feel this licence plate is worth more than the bike!

[@oldbag3043]

i have just serviced my bandit 1200 it would start but cut out when throttle was applied i stripped the carbs twice checked the vaccume system and finally narrowed it down to fuel contamination i drained the tank and found water in it i drained the carbs put fresh fuel in and now it runs like a dream but i now have to look at my filler cap and have a plastic bag over the tank incase it rains i figured it out by turning the tank upside down with fuel in it and it came out of the filler cap and this made me realize if fuel is coming out then water is getting in 👍

[@newmotorcycleguy]

thank you for this, that's something ti look out for. Once the bike is up and running i want to get a new ignition as this feels 'loose' i will replace the filler cap and seat lock all together so I'm not messing around with keys.

[@dmail00]

Nothing wrong with the air filter it looks fine and I don't think you have been scammed. The carbs on these are very easy to clean, yet you may need new boots that go between the carbs and the airbox due to the age of the bike they can become very brittle. The carbs can be a bit of a struggle to get back in, make sure to remove the airbox to give you more room. Go over the the banditforum and pick up the haynes manual from there, if you are stuck they will be able to help.

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Thank you for this comment. I'm doing the carbs at the moment, they are stripped and cleaned, the boots look and feel good. I have thee manual and keep asking in FB groups for help. I just hope the strip down and cleaning of all the rust gets this bike going again.

[@UncleBob247]

I got a pdf workshop manual. These are notorious for carb issues, they ar3 Kehin CVK Carbs, Buy a rebuild kit for carbs, the fuel tap is vaccume operated, unless you select prime. Just needs a good carb clean and rebuild the tap, my advice would be put a small o ring behind the spring of the diaphram in tap. Use Denso spark plugs.

[@UncleBob247]

Cider vinegar, baking soda and handful of washers inside the tank to remove rust/debree

[@UncleBob247]

Be careful with buying air filters for these cause some dont fit correctly! I just opted for K&N filter panel. It needs rejetting for that. Buy yourself a carbtune pro for balancing carbs. Carbs will 100% need stripping and cleaning

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Im o with it, ill sync once i know its running again.

[@newmotorcycleguy]

I hve got a book for this now and its very useful! the photos could be HD though!

[@newmotorcycleguy]

This is how I'm cleaning it, but it ill see how it goes on whether should just replace it!

[@AndyH-13]

Enjoyed your video. Maybe the previous owner only rode it a short distance and thought it runs well before advertising it. You’ll get these issues sorted and the bike will run fine.

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Maybe yes, and yea I'm looking forward to having it running well.

[@maskedavenger2578]

I owned a later model 2000 naked Bandit bought used in mint condition in 2004 low miles 600cc . I owned it for about 17 years it never missed a beat . I am self taught home mechanic with over 50 years biking & spannering experience on small ,medium & large motorcycles . My advice is to clean tank out , maybe reseal coat the inside . Fit new or overhaul the pet cock new seals & fuel lines , fit in line fuel filter , remove carbs ,clean bowls , Jets ,check float heights ,& float needles & seats , clear out all drillings & clean carbs . Refit carbs , check inlet & exhaust valves , & adjust ( simple lock nut & screw adjustment ) check spark plugs & caps & leads fit new air filter . Fit temporary fuel supply & use vacuum gauges to balance carbs . Once running correctly refit tank & making sure all vacuum pipes & fuel lines & breathers are fitted firmly & correctly . Haynes & factory workshop manuals should be easy to obtain for Bandits as they were very popular bikes , & many factory parts & good quality aftermarket parts available new & used . Unless these bikes are owned & ridden by complete philistines , they are virtually bulletproof & very reliable . 👍

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Thank you for this comment. it seems your advice is very useful! some of this im on with and plan to work my way through the bike! I have a manual on order!

[@dratilhelvetedotlol]

@@newmotorcycleguy Yeah, the "filter" you're replacing inside the tank on the inlets is just a screen for debris, not a proper filter. And the "nasty fuel hose" that goes in the side of the carbs is a vacuum hose to open the petcock when the engine starts, so it's probably a good thing to replace. Best of luck.

[@peterrobert-e8b]

looking at that bike i very much doubt you were scammed its way too clean and the problems seem minute thh i sold my all weather use B600 0n a 96 plate 33000 mls for £750 because of ULEZ laws or i would still have it today . Brilliant engine proper work horse good for 100,000 miles i never dealt with 4 stroke engines but with youtube and the workshop books i manged to strip the whole top of engine to get broken exhaust studs removed and successfully reassembled included valve clearances cam chain re install and carb strip clean and jet replacement from a Yamaha Fazer with no prior experience so you will get that thing sorted for sure. In winter i recommend spraying exposed wires with AC-50 ANTI CORROSIN spray to preven moisture getting in to electrical connections so good luck and see you out on the road maybe that fuel tank needs a new petrol cap seal

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Thank you for this comment. It helps knowing other people do this with limited skills! I want to get new cap for it and replace all the locks too. I did use ACF50 on the last bike and it did a decent job.

[@martin4787]

I'm a mechanic and a biker and the fuel tap looks like it's also a pulse pump. You need to make sure that the pulse pipe hasn't got any leaks, otherwise the pulse pump won't work. Then take it for a run before stripping the carbs.

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Thank you for this. The bike is gravity fed and has a vacuum system. I am still learning it, this is what i was told and have read. I have started on the carbs and almost done those. I plan to replace the petcock filters and all the fuel hoses, as I feel i cannot trust them to be full debris.

[@martin4787]

@@newmotorcycleguy The pulse pump will take the pulse from the vacuum side of one of the carbs. That's why the fuel tap has got a diaphragm I imagine.

[@katywalker8322]

@@martin4787 , it isn't a pulse pump. Just a vacuum operated tap. There should be a middle position for "Prime" which allows fuel to flow even when no vacuum is applied

[@martin4787]

@@katywalker8322 🙂

[@newmotorcycleguy]

@@martin4787 I think you are correct. it goes to one of the ports that's used in balancing the carbs. I'm cleaning the carbs and replacing all hoses. Inside the tank is disgusting! So that's getting cleaned out too.

[@chrissyb5447]

That petcock in the on position only allows fuel flow to your carburettors when vacuum is applied to the back of the diaphragm acting against a return spring. When vacuum is removed ( engine stopped ) the return spring forces the diaphragm back to it`s rest position which cuts off fuel supply to the carburettors. The small clear pipe that connects between the front of one your carburettors to the petcock needs to be in good order to maintain a vacuum to prevent non-start and/or running issues. The other positions on the petcock ( prime and reserve ) bypass the diaphragm. It`s common practice to replace these petcocks with more conventual items because with wear/age the diaphragm can stick in one position or cause inadequate fuel flow.

[@newmotorcycleguy]

thank you for this comment, very useful. Im happy with the clean and replacement of of parts on the petcock. had I known how cheap they were i would have bought a new one. I am replacing the vacuum tube as with all the pipes, hoping to resolve the issue. Im cleaning the tank out which seems to have pieces of rubber inside it?

[@SAM-zt2uy]

At the end of the day its a 27 year old bike just hope you paid accordingly as theres always a few trying to sell for thousands. They are great bikes that can take lots of abuse, when re fitting the tank be careful about kinking the fuel hose they seem really fussy if theres even the slightest of fuel restriction. Good that you have rebuilt the fuel tap they have a common problem of leaking fuel into the carbs then through the cylinders and filling the sump with fuel. Good luck with it definitely worth spending a bit of money to get it running right I did 15,000 miles on a mk1 600 with no problems after very similar symptoms when I bought it.

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Thank you for this comment, its reassuring these bikes are built to last!

[@jacksyful]

make a blanking plate for tank so you can clean it properly!

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Yea thats what i ended up doing! I learnt the hard! lo

[@jacksyful]

clean tank with steel ball bearings say5 and give it a real good shake to remove rust

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Thanks for the tip

[@yorkshirebikerbitsnbobs]

Think the tank is the same capacity as my 1200 so, it's 19 Liters. The petcock needed be rebuilt anyway as they have a tendency to "let go" and you'll come to your garage one day and wonder why it stinks of petrol? Then you notice the contents of the tank pooled around the bike on the floor! It happened on my 97 Bandit. Good luck with your maintenance and I'll keep tabs on this as it's pretty interesting! PS - I'd recommend using "Shell V Power" as your fuel or something similar, definitely don't use regular E10.

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Thank you for this comment. I have rebuilt the petcock, it seems such an outdated thing even for 97! I have got some E5 for the first start and little run out to see how it is. I do plan on running it on E5.

[@shutinyanks]

Lots of comments i'm sure it's been mentioned but there is a way of using electricity to get the rust out - two 9in nails and some science - I don't know the term but i've seen it on the olde KZbin :) Also you can use "slosh" to coat the tank and stop rust coming back

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Thank you, I have heard of the electrolyses to remove rust. I'm going to use vinegar, I will look in to the 'slosh' product!

[@Warrior6504]

If there’s any crap in your carbs your float needle will stay open and fuel will piss out of your overflows I had the same issue. I also put an inline fuel filter in between the tank and the carbs.

[@newmotorcycleguy]

i would be grateful for a link or recommendation for a filter please. The carbs are off and full of crap! many blocked jets. so I'm hoping it'll resolve it.

[@Warrior6504]

@@newmotorcycleguy I just purchased mine from Halfords I put mine on a 250cc and it’s been problem free for a year now. I had exactly the same bike in the same colour when they first came out great bike, I did a lot of miles on it.

[@newmotorcycleguy]

@@Warrior6504 Thank you for following up. I think i need to get one as the filters on the petcock look very poor!

[@JustinWallace-ky9dm]

Buddy, would you please do an old skool brother biker a huge favour and drop the Americanisms, petrol tap, fuel tap vacuum tap, anything other than pet-cock PLEASE !!! Just the sound of it makes my skin crawl and what few remaining teeth I have chatter… Cheers. 😬👍

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Thanks for the comment! I didn't know it was an Americanism, I'll do my best to retrain myself! consider it done! although i may find myself looking at the camera for approval! lol

[@alanrobinson2559]

you get a load of gunge in the ethanol petrol which causes these problems, have to take the carbs off and clean as well as the tank and fuel lines

[@newmotorcycleguy]

sadly i have learnt this the hard way!

[@mikecartlidge5355]

I guess at the end of the day it's what the seller added in the description in the Facebook ad? Should have been sold with the fault mentioned. All I can say is go through the fuel system with a fine tooth comb and if you can get the carbs cleaned out in an ultra sonic cleaning tank do it as they make a brilliant job, looks like a nice bike, hope you get it sorted.

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Thank you for the comment. The add mentioned nothing, the information was not told when i viewed the bike. Yes maybe i should have checked the tank but i didn't. lesson learnt! the fuel system has not been stripped inc carbs. and now rebuilding. so hopefully it may improve it. I'm actually glad i got this bike. I'm learning about it, only ridden 22 miles before failure, but its under my skin already! I hope the bike appreciates it!!

[@mikecartlidge5355]

@@newmotorcycleguy I am sure you will enjoy the Bandit once it's sorted as they are great bikes with nearly bullet proof motors. Maybe the bike had been laid up when the tank rusted and the seller didn't know ? Wishing you safe miles ahead from a motorcycle mechanic of 48 years.

[@davejones1226]

Best way to get rust and flaky paint out of the tank is to put loads of small nuts inside with some parts cleaner and shake it till your arms are falling off, then do it again and again, works great.

[@newmotorcycleguy]

thank you, I'm ready with the nuts and bolts, vinegar, and bi carb! once everything else is done that'll be next so i can get it straight back on,

[@DennisSpecial]

👍👍👍👍👍

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Thanks.

[@katywalker8322]

Although not new I doubt that air filter is more than a few thousand miles old, from its condition. Not long ago Suzuki had the fuel taps available new for not a massive amount. Not much more than just a rebuild kit. Might be worth checking. Should be a "Prime" position on the tap so the tap does not rely on the vacuum to flow. Check that there is no water in the carbs. Water sinks to the bottom of the tank , so can build up then go into the carbs when the rider switches to reserve. Often easiest to just take the plastic knob off the tap. 1 screw and it makes it easier to lift the tank off. Getting carbs on and off a Bandit is far harder than it should be! Undo the mount bolts on the side of the airbox so it can slide back a bit

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Thank you for the comment. I'm certainly learning the expensive way! I saw the petcocks new after i ordered the kit. however i have cleaned and rebuilt it so ill see how it goes. the carbs are now off and currently I'm cleaning them!

[@katywalker8322]

@@newmotorcycleguy biggest problem with Bandits tends to be the rear brake caliper. The pins locating the pads seize in place, I have a spare ready for when I or a friend need it! The fronts can stick, but are relatively easy to free off. Not that uncommon for a wire in the loom to break just behind the head stock (as it gets moved when the bars are turned). Yours looks in pretty good condition

[@newmotorcycleguy]

@@katywalker8322 Thank you, I may just look at those before its too late!

[@Luppy-v8f]

The same thing happened to me. With a suzuki gs 450. Still sorting it out six months later. Everything has been messed up.

[@newmotorcycleguy]

There's a lot been fiddled with, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed. thankfully its not thousands or it would be a small claims court.

[@rustytanks]

The pilot jets are 9/10 times clogged and the main culprits

[@newmotorcycleguy]

I have been in to these, and two of the carb jets were blocked. I'm hoping that is main culprit. The tank has lots of rubbish in it!!

[@chriskell3685]

Liking the varied content, I’m not a biker so no help from me unfortunately but hope it all works out ok. Facebook market place is shocking most of the time “is this still available?” 😤

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Thanks. I like to ride, but im no mechanic! this may end in disaster! Ill be making lots of other content and looking forward to getting back on the lost railways!

[@chriskell3685]

@@newmotorcycleguy the railway content is good, think I found the Sunderland Wick Lodge video most interesting because I’ve driven past it hundreds of times. You got that one done just in time.

[@newmotorcycleguy]

@@chriskell3685 Sunderlandwick farm is also on there. I filmed and old farm on the A64 which i also think you have seen a million times driving past. . I have plans for more things around the Driffield area. There's just not enough hours in the week!

[@billyjo1148]

You cannot go wrong with these

[@newmotorcycleguy]

I have heard this and a major factor why I bought it. lets hope i can get this cleaned out and sorted! The rust in the tank is terrible, and i cant get a decent one. So ill clean it out!

[@marksandars50]

What an appropriate video for my situation. I have a 1200 bandit, it's been laid up for 18 months or there abouts due to ilness, need to do exactly what you are doing, could you tell me where you getting your parts from is it fleebay or another outlet. Can't wait for the next vlog keep it up good work. Mark

[@newmotorcycleguy]

I asking in bandit groups for recommended parts. then seeing what is available. so face its just anywhere that has what i need. I know this is much good, but the Bandit groups on Facebook have some amazing knowledgeable people in there willing to share. Also there is a parts group as i think it maybe easier trying to find a rust free tank for me.

[@matthewdove3520]

My uncle had a p reg one of these brought brand new, it’s now in the garage with only 500 miles on the clock it’s still brand new it got put away after few months

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Gosh, that needs to be out and ridden on!

[@andywrollo2915]

Air filter is clean. K & n clean and oil it

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Thank you, I will do that!

[@danielhancock3499]

Good video mate av a go at ur carbs get a manual and plenty of vids on KZbin for mk1 bandit carb work any questions ask me if u want I'll gi advice if I can

[@newmotorcycleguy]

I have no choice! they are full of crap! And thank you, feel free to come to Yorkshire lol

[@jacksyful]

when you take apart use your phone and take some photos

[@newmotorcycleguy]

This is something i did, which was really useful, although the video was good to. But i seemed to miss taking some important photo!! I'm learning though!

[@Owen1029]

You are touching the vacuum hose not the fuel hose.air filter is fine.the peacocks are a nightmare.

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Thank you.

[@jerzywoking1699]

Any vuke futted with twin Bates style headlights should be a red flag to it being cr*p

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Sadly i didnt know this, but in learning. What is the original head light?

[@bottletree33]

Put AirTags in all your vehicles.

[@newmotorcycleguy]

I'm looking in to this. as I'm going to hide one on the bike while its apart.

[@theymusthatetesla3186]

Hmm....apropos of nothing...check out the filler cap breather!!

[@newmotorcycleguy]

yes, i have just done that, it seems ok and nothing came out except air! thankfully

[@theymusthatetesla3186]

@@newmotorcycleguy It certainly sounds like fuel. Has it sat for any time with 'modern' petrol in it? (Even E5 goes off QUICKLY!) Might be worth investing in a set of secondhand carbs for it. What's it charging at, too? Should be 14.3 volts at high tickover.

[@newmotorcycleguy]

@@theymusthatetesla3186 i actually don't know the truth of this bike. I wasn't sold it with honesty. I have not had any battery issues, so I'm trusting it. i also don't have a volt meter so ill see how it goes. It has been on a trickle charge since being parked up with me.

[@theymusthatetesla3186]

@@newmotorcycleguy I had one exactly like this 20 years ago....WEIRD handling! I bumped into the bloke who got it a few years later at a bike do, and he said apropos handling it 'had a mind of its own'! The bike itself, I couldn't fault (though my Fazer was miles ahead, performance wise) As far as I knew, it hadn't been in a crash, and I replaced the front tyre. It actually felt like a slow puncture, forcing me to stop and check it on numerous occasions!

[@newmotorcycleguy]

@@theymusthatetesla3186 That is most odd! are you sure the bike wasn't called Christine?

[@sham27007]

I have the same grease

[@newmotorcycleguy]

great minds!

[@kass9722]

you have not been scammed! well...unless you paid some stupid ammount...like 3k, if that's the case then you scammed yourself. air filter is probably around 2 months old, you need to look at the engine oil...but i think it has been serviced. lol why are you acting as if carb maintenance is akin to nuclear science??? the bike looks fine fine to me ( if correct price was paid ) fix it, ride it, enjoy it & get some decent locks , cover the bike when outside, most thieves dont look under covered bikes.

[@newmotorcycleguy]

haha yea it wasn't described as this and i wasn't informed, but its too late now! And when I have zero mechanic skills and next to no tools it may as well be nuclear science! Its daunting to approach without the knowledge of how they work.But I'm going to tackle it and hopefully learn as i go though things.

[@JohnObiro-sq4of]

I don't think you have been scammed. You should have looked into the tanks before buying. You got a good bike there.

[@newmotorcycleguy]

Yea i should have, but i would expect to do that. Never done it for a car? hopefully i can sort it.