Faceless Void is a Masterful Baiter

[@asmallcat]

Daf being a gibbon skeleton is just *chef's kiss*

[@CruzaComplex]

For real though. Excellent punsmanship on whoever made the call and good on Daf for being a good sport.

[@sameveland8560]

its so good

[@garr_inc]

I couldn't watch the video for about three minutes because I was laughing my ass off with the gibbon skeleton.

[@liquidplague9763]

I think the fact that they managed to make the other skeleton look like Joe, down to the eyebrows, is just as impressive.

[@arcticblueleech]

Im watching and just catching it in the corner of my eye, sets me off laughing every time

[@nunyabiznes7446]

"So I'm seeing a lot of wards here" top tier analysis right off the bat, fantastic

[@piegumplays9059]

seeing the mmr difference boi it sure does make a differnece aint it

[@Rabidwulfe]

Took me a second to realize that's a gibbon skeleton, got a good chuckle!

[@fugyfruit]

It is interesting how different the stuff they discuss is from how Pyrion and Lewis do it Daf and Joe seem only interested in fights but Pyrion cares much more about strategy

[@lukec3724]

the difference between micro and macro

[@octopusexperiment1931]

It takes a lot of skill and experience to be able to macro cast a game like Pyrion can. Even watching pro casting (although I don't watch that much Dota), Pyrion shines even among real casters.

[@lavenderwalrus9875]

@@octopusexperiment1931 thats because pyrion very much is a real caster and has been for a long long time

[@Jebu911]

difference between a real caster and casual commenter

[@ChrisTay229]

Feels good to see Daf learning things he'd never see in his own bracket. We can only hope he'll actually remember any of it

[@maverick9334]

Honestly the biggest difference between herald and Guardian is that no one trusts their teammates in herald. Everyone assumes everyone else is the problem and you get 0 teamwork, this goes away the higher up the ranks you go. (In theory)

[@ChrisTay229]

@@maverick9334 Oh I'm aware, I'm borderline herald myself. In fairness to the theory that everyone's the problem I once had a juggernaut player ask me "what is omnislash", and had another player accuse me of map hacking when I was playing bounty hunter with track. Very hard to trust teammates after moments like that

[@maverick9334]

@@ChrisTay229 my worst was a jugg who first item built Daedalus haha. The dota 2 community is a special kind of community

[@loliH9]

@@maverick9334 Must be a ranked issue. I play both unranked and single draft almost exclusively and teamwork is alright, not as common as it should be ideally but not tasmania tiger sighting-rare.

[@maverick9334]

as someone who lived in Tasmania i can confirm dota 2 teamwork is as rare as the Tasmanian Tiger ( that being extinct haha)

[@cheeseex4322]

25:30 the reason jug used swift slash is because it has a much longer range then omnislash does. Swift slash is 550 range whereas omnislash is 350. It’s as much a mobility tool to get you into the fight as it is a damage tool

[@Puzzl3man]

These guys casting aren't the best at dotes I suspect

[@archer1088]

@@Puzzl3man Daf is literally the Herald/Guardian person we watch for the scrub casts. Joe is his coach and IIRC he's actually pretty decent at Dota (Better than Pyrion i think).

[@Knight-brolaire]

41:50 "antifreeze tastes delicious" lmao

[@KeroroGuy62]

What a wonderful surprise! Loved having you two do a cast, hope to see more of these special episodes.

[@nouprajy]

Pyrion doesn't have a anatomically correct animated skeleton because eggs don't have skeletons

[@winstonthemouse]

Joe is a brilliant caster, he’s very well spoken.

[@DarkAlleyDan]

Holy shit the gibbon skeleton is unbelievably incredible

[@lilyeves892]

I'm really enjoying this scrub Dota casting, reminds me of how fun bronze league heroes was

[@Rubykittyy]

Rip husky

[@RainDog404]

Daf the cro-magnon…I mean gibbon, is incredible.

[@Jaggaraz218]

Love the Daff skeleton

[@toxic_cowZ]

calling a salve a "pot" is almost defiantly from lol where they refer to healing potions as "pots"

[@TheOriginaleCookie]

i really love these dota videos, for real. It's been one of my favorite things from the yogs these past few months

[@leetri]

They're called potions (or "pots" for short) in League, that's probably where Daf got it from.

[@seancrowley8312]

^^ This

[@chroipahtz]

I mean they're called potions in most RPGs/fantasy games, so it's not that strange.

[@kassimmulla-jassim9766]

The result of the save a friend syndrome and typical herald style plays

[@seftondepledge3658]

Bots into bkb is the standard build on lina these days. Followed by likely a deadalus or mkb. Sometimes you go the magic damage build with euls, kaya, ags etc but not usually. Also another benefit of cutting the wave with Axe (or LC) is that you force their carry to choose between dealing with you and farming so it's a win both ways. And when the support comes to try and deal with you along you can deal very well with that as you have all the creeps hitting you procing your E.

[@rafaelmarkos4489]

I think the bots->bkb->daedalues/mkb/silver edge build has been standard on Lina for a while now, probably since the TI10 qualifier times. Also, I feel the advantages of creep skipping really only make sense when you can also combine it with getting the nearby neutral camps, which is why you mostly do it with heroes that have good waveclear in the early game (sk, ds, axe, centaur, etc.). After all, if the carry chooses to farm, you want to get even more farm out of the deal to ensure that you're making an advantageous trade in all scenarios.

[@kloaf1131]

@@rafaelmarkos4489 the other top side is difficulty hitting under tower is hero dependant. Some heroes have easy tower hit timings and others are annoying and require a lot of set up which takes more attention and at that level a much higher chance of messing it up.

[@Ospon]

Next week, Lewis and Pyrion reacts to Joe and Daf's casting.

[@Puzzl3man]

"what's quickcast?" *1.5 seconds later* "I hate it."

[@jayphillips4167]

Love Joe and Daf casting! Would like to see some more for sure

[@0o0oKodio0o0]

I love playing soldier 75 while listening to some sum 42.

[@himeijin3831]

i want joe fucking up pop culture numbers by 1 to be a running thing, blink 183, SK7R BOI, the fith sense, ect

[@rafaelmarkos4489]

Daf having a League background does give a significant amount of context to his playstyle - it seems to focus on making his game work and seems to largely ignore shutting down the opponent. I feel Dota's biggest differentiating factor from League is the importance of creating a gold/exp difference between the teams and heroes at a micro level by the multiple mechanisms for denying farm to the opponent, as opposed to rushing to get to your timings first. Maybe Joe and Daf could try counting last hits/denies as a way of gauging success in the laning stage? Or is that a bit too tryhard?

[@kloaf1131]

tryhard should never be used in a game where it's pvp and the goal is winning. But thats my opinion. lh/denies isn't a terrible metric but it really depends on the lane and which one has more kill potential.

[@4F0xSake]

The phrase 'it’s just a game' is such a weak mindset. You are ok with what happened, losing, imperfection of a craft. When you stop getting angry after losing, you’ve lost twice. There’s always something to learn, and always room for improvement, never settle.

[@rafaelmarkos4489]

@@4F0xSake You know games can be played for entertainment, right? Granted, that seems to be League's territory, and the reason for its popularity... Dota is extremely focused on being competitive to the exclusion of all else. Your approach does fit in this context.

[@bingo5387]

@@rafaelmarkos4489 His comment was a meme, not serious.

[@rafaelmarkos4489]

@@bingo5387 Ahk, that would make sense.

[@wegohardonearth5179]

Need more Daf scrub cast review so we can see the growth of him learning hero skills. It was cool to hear him discuss and learn about things in game while he isn't concentrating on playing the game.

[@SlavaRybka]

Joe, you done goofed with giving us too much. We now have Daf skeleton, and we are developing an appetite for Yogs-skellies. Better start drawing, or else!

[@TeamieAdz]

Joe finally had a reason to make a Daf skele-bob! Only took a little while but it’s just perfect

[@SnowflakeVee]

THE GIBBON SKELETON APPEARS

[@talkbirdy2me]

It's always amazing to hear the things Daf doesn't know, even though he plays more than I do.

[@kloaf1131]

So I want to address some things as tips. You were right and wrong when they got those kills praising lewis and saying about the jugg farming. That early on especially a t1 4 on a t1 and the pos 1 farming is the right play. Also with jug a lot of the skill is proper omni and quick usage with bladeflurry. For example when jugg initiated with quick thats the right order cause it has massively more range Which is why it's used for initiation. Solo omniing the willow was questionable but not using the omni after the quick was right cause he could have jumped to the willow and been disjointed with shadow realm. But very good call that axe, sky and lich should be together at all times. 100% correct. I do agree in lower dota the love of getting the blinks second item is really weird. Not necessarily just bad but weird. Man rest of the game you guys did great. Sad to see them lose to a few bad chronos really.

[@octopusexperiment1931]

The team comps being so inclined to blow-up heroes led to some crazy turns in fights this game. Lots of fun to watch

[@claudbutton8068]

Honestly, would love to see this mixed in more because this is amazing.

[@MagicAndWires]

Not the most exciting game we've had, but really fun to watch, especially Daf giving casting a try for his first time. The casual throwback to the smash or pass they did on-stream is really meta as well.

[@atahannd.9937]

I like how daf has a gibbon skull.

[@spawnedblonde7131]

I love daffs skeleton, it’s honestly hilarious watching him talk

[@Killercoldice22]

he has a bird tthat follows you lol oh boy if pyrion was here 🤣🤣 imagine pyrions reaction to dafts analysis

[@iLOVEJDD]

OH GOD YES OH GOD PLEASE YES I LOVE SCRUB DOTA YEAH BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE SCRUB DOTA!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Falcons8455]

Dark Willow is countered by Jugg big time. I'm a DW main and Juggs are most annoying,, and usually what i ban.

[@Mrblahblahful]

Joe and Daf, if you do in fact read these comments, I give you my love, you guys are always a delight to watch on the VODs

[@gee3161]

Daf's skeleton is amazing, great work Joe!

[@ArachnidSyther]

I want pyrion and lewis to react to this video.

[@kloaf1131]

pyrion would have an anerism of having an anerism from watching some of this. But it might explain a lot to him about what happens in their heads.

[@Pseudonym660]

11:00 Cutting creeps is good in a 2v2, because it forces the carry to go lh or miss creeps. The hard support at this point can get 1v2'd, and might have to give up stacking, de-warding, contesting pulls, or the bounty rune. For the carry, lh-ing creeps shouldn't be tricky (you can practice it, if you want) unless the enemy dominates 2v1 or no-one tp's on dives. Lewis was just doing it for some pocket money

[@captaincookie5702]

THIS IS BRILLIANT MORE PLEASE

[@davidsmusicbox5866]

While it may be a little bit of going too many layers, I would love to hear Pyrion cast this cast. More to see what he thinks of Daf's thoughts, and how he feels Daf should impliment them into his own games. Daf had some (I feel) decent insight, but can sometimes miss in his own games because of being involved IN the game.

[@nineleafclover1477]

I've been waiting for this video for a long time!

[@BlackRainEntertain]

you screwed up the introduction with the main heroes of the evening in the zoomed in closeup

[@macennh]

Sum 42, solider 75 - Joe loves a little troll

[@SGz_Eliminated]

Radiant were the biggest gibbons I've ever seen, it was even worse than most Daf games, Pyrion would not have survived witnessing that.

[@WhichDoctor1]

mushroom, chicken and rice, with plenty of butter and garlic

[@afterbirthbob]

Does pflax get image royalties for the recap screen ?

[@Deunstephe]

Not a fan of this style of thumbnail - but I am a big fan of the gibbon skeleton.

[@ScapinGames]

it's a slight change of pace to have joe&daf in the hotseat, dono if i'm into it, but i'm watching it, desperately missing pyrion's flair

[@redstonemonster5769]

Where and when did this smash or pass happen?

[@shezmu5324]

Daf and Joe do it while queuing for games on the scrub dota stream, sometimes.

[@gotenks5633]

22:35 where the hell are lewis' boots...?

[@Kersakofu]

I feel like at around 25:42 jugg used swift slash to make willow pop shadow realm, and then omni'd her after since she would have ended omnislash. So either way worked.

[@iamzid]

Joe and pyrion should do a cast. I feel like we'd get some really good commentary.

[@noahfuller4128]

48:05 that's why they tingle. Got it

[@emilandersen8628]

these videos are very enjoyable

[@toxic_cowZ]

a very special episode indeed!

[@notyourname1]

I know youre in the comments here joe. Lovin this stuff

[@JoeHickson]

:)

[@Yonny316]

wow, daf is a gibbon skeleton. amazing.

[@stanleyyelnats297]

Joe in particular is absolutely fantastic at this

[@altejoh]

Recognize "pot" as a LoL term, short for potion, esp health potion, that might be where Dav gets it from.

[@Pratalax]

Daf's skelly is the fucking best.

[@Guardkiller6]

the fact that daf is a neanderthal has me roling!

[@cinemaker321]

When was this recorded if they are still referencing the berries and cream meme lol

[@Elijah90348]

Woah! what a twist!

[@DanishVikings]

loving the gibbon

[@Iced_Milk_NNF]

Skyrath does take skill, bud dies in 2 hits from about everyone. You have to position extremely carefully on him, and alot of resource management early game.

[@loosebullet2101]

Now I want some Bourbons biscuits

[@glisa3801]

Soldier 75, Soldier 76’s younger less interesting brother

[@lukec3724]

I love the reversed roles, great video keep it up!

[@bennorthway3386]

no boots lewis nice

[@jax-hy]

loved the old thumbnails, didn't really like the new format but this one is right back to great again.

[@Lynkah]

I love me some Joe and Daf.

[@phraggers]

Never mind the hurricane pike, sniper's aghs shard is INCREDIBLE and yet low rank snipers NEVER BUY IT, WHY?!?! it's completely OP!! If you're a low rank sniper player reading this, for god's sake buy the agh's shard at 15 mins and a pike afterwards, you'll win most games.

[@Jebu911]

daf casting with joe is somehow beautiful even tho ofcourse pflax and levis are the best but this is a fun different take.

[@SmokingOKAPI]

Gibbon 😂😂😂😂

[@WYKlaure]

After looking at daf i googled gibbon skeleton to make sure.

[@Princess_Narii]

By watching this I do understand why daf is in the rank that he is xD ------------ Tho as a old dota veteran... I do have the map on the right side. I always hated the map on the left, back in dota 1. It causes stupid missplays. Putting it on the left just prevents that

[@conorobrien2712]

Nice change of pace to have Daf and Joe. Would be cool to see Pyrion and Daf, casting one of Joe or Lewis' games, and have Pyrion questioning Daf about what he thinks is good or bad about plays or decisions.

[@rudolphstroheim122]

Absolutely splendid content. Other people sometimes really spices things up.

[@Lynkah]

Sum42, Soldier 75. Joe why you no number well!

[@Lpens]

This is a good change of pace maybe rotation of videos with pyrions and lewis commentary and daf and his coach sometimes

[@mtgrabbitwizard1679]

Great start to the morning!

[@zoid88]

Big fan of this team single gibbon format.

[@archer1088]

Love to see the commentary by Joe and Daf it's neat to see how they react to gameplay vs Lewis and Pyrion

[@janaoj11]

love the gibbon daf :D

[@shezmu5324]

More of this maybe a Pyrion game cast by Joe and Lewis or a Joe game cast by Pyrion and Daf??

[@macilaci92]

did that "Short dick blink" rhyme by Joe accidentally or there is a song i don't know about?

[@siltyroach1584]

Yess! Please try more different combinations of casters and players! I love the switch up

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

Daf, you are an actual gibbon. Well done, lad.

[@rhaven090]

YOOO IS THIS SEASON 2??

[@matsh5633]

ohhh poor Daff why did they had to do him like that in the animation.

[@Jebu911]

He knows he aint that good so im sure he found it funny

[@ryansmith3383]

I love these videos, and the editing is great for 90% of the time, but the zoom in to focus - out - the peripherals is really disorienting. Removing the map, the top row of heroes, and the abilities/hp/mana of the selected hero doesn't help me focus on what is happening or what the commentators are saying, it throws me out. I feel like the trick of making the commentator characters bigger is a fine way to shift the viewers focus if that's what the goal is, but removing context isn't helping I don't think. Love the videos, will continue to watch either way so hope it helps.

[@ClownSoprano-o9w]

Will you Guys play Hearts of Iron 4 again ?? @Team Double Dragon ?

[@DarrowAran]

Oh fuck me this is a treat!!!!

[@avidwriter2882]

I thought Lewis would be a little better. Around 16-something he could have just gotten that tower instead of walking past and going after WHO?

[@bored78612]

what bracket is this? Sniper looks like a scrub himself. Edit: It's guardian, so scrub tier anyway.

[@RinlyYT]

Why is it always Skywrath's being gibbons and trying to push lane when their whole team is alive 😑