What did Victorians do with Bad Boys? (Floating Ships of Detention)

Victorian bad boys were sent to detention on old ships for discipline and training. These ships sound worse than the schools they ran away from - more lessons, drill and military training to prepare boys for a life at sea - and some, according to the journalist you will hear today, came off the ships reformed and prepared for the army, navy or merchant service.
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[@elizabthharris6741]

Another great one!

[@gregorybathurst7171]

The really appalling behavior wasn't shown by the youth , authority running the detention all across the country were abusing the boys , and had been abusing the boys for ever and continued for 100 yrs or more

[@jmac5951]

I thought this would be the recounting of a nightmare experience. Instead, this was reassurance about their being good people who try to help children in every era.

[@lesleyannprior8203]

Thank you for sharing this. My great, great grandfather, was sent from Camberwell, to an industrial training ship on the river Tamar, (between Devon and Cornwall), I found him in the 1881 census.

[@FactFeast]

You’re welcome. Do you know the name of the ship? There were quite a number of training ships around the country.

[@lesleyannprior8203]

@@FactFeast Yes, it was called the ‘Mount Edgcumbe’ Training Ship.

[@Bigtimecharlie1980]

Can you do one on Portland borstal please ❤

Bro you great GPA was a beast

[@gruber1650]

My Grandad and his brother were put on separate training ships as young boys, the story goes they met in Canada and fought each other not knowing they were brothers at first, he sailed round the world before he was 16 and it was a hard time.

[@2degucitas]

What a story! When did they sort it all out that they were brothers?

[@ldawg7117]

How can you drop something like that and not elaborate more?? How / when did they find out they were brothers?

[@smurfie8412]

​@@ldawg7117they lied

[@michaelmolachaan5693]

Yeah definitely don't believe your tale.... eire gobrach

[@Deb-Cornwall]

My great grandfather was on the Clio training ship in north Wales late 1800s. He then joined a boat at Liverpool taking coal to Cornwall where he jumped ship and started a new life!

[@KhalidMahmood-wm1qz]

So he was blo,,dy British?

[@LindaRichardson-qw3ci]

So was my great grandfather in London. Now I see this is where he leaned his music. He could play everything except piano.

[@alisonbeswick3971]

My mum used to threaten us with the ship Clio if we were naughty, it used to terrify us and I only recently discovered that is was real 😮

[@BADD1ONE]

My mom threatened to sell us to the gypsies

[@Tsumami__]

That’s a pretty horrific thing for a parent to do to a small child.

[@RunninUpThatHillh]

My great grandfather would say to me "behave or I'll put you on the roof with the birdies".. I thought it sounded magical LOL. Not sure if he'd made it up.

[@imnotconvinced4833]

@@Tsumami__😂

[@didntlistendad]

@@BADD1ONEwhat price was she planning to ask, I wonder…

[@johnbruce2868]

A "life on the ocean wave, A home on the rolling deep" that transformed desperately neglected urchins and burgeoning criminals into useful (if ultimately expendable) members of Victorian society was considered a very good prospect indeed. As was sung of them, albeit rather tongue in cheek, "A British Tar is a soaring soul, As free as a mountain bird" (HMS Pinafore). At least they were cared for (after a fashion), fed, had a roof over their heads and a value put on their otherwise worthless lives. Small wonder many responded well. It was better by far than a life of grinding poverty and depravity in the stews. Thank you for a fascinating narrative which contrasts remarkably with the usual stories of Victorian tragedy and horror.

[@westphalianstallion4293]

I expected hell ships and got the most wholesome education for its time I have heard of so far.

[@2degucitas]

The stews?

[@jeannedouglas9912]

Your poetry is appreciated. Thanks

[@kerryalfaro9437]

Ooohhhh woooow!!❤❤❤ 💌

[@Dsdcain]

Amazing. More than 100 years ago giving students a basic education in "blue collar' work made them productive members of society in the end. That's what is missing today in America at least. America teaches children that they *have* to attend college to be a productive member of society today. It can be no more wrong in the long run. I personally made a lot of money being a "lowly" blue collar worker. More than some of my college grad friends. TBH. Yeah, I was in a skilled trade, but never listened to the college or else crowd, but the money rolled in. American schools need to bring back shop classes to at least let kids know there are other options.

[@Mizmoon2020]

I definitely agree that the trades deserve more respect. However I have a couple of thoughts. First I don’t like that college is looked at as job training. It’s an education and should be valued simply for the fact that knowledge in and if itself is a great thing. Second, trades are often very hard on the body. While early on tradesmen can make respectable or e even more money, what happens when the knees or back goes?

[@Tsumami__]

No, what we need is education to be more accessible to more people than the middle and upper class. Education should be available for everyone to pursue at a low cost, and without incurring massive debts via student loans that end up preventing someone from accumulating a savings or buying a home. It’s doubtful you actually made more, you just didn’t have to pay back exorbitant loan fees that took decades to pay off. Most people in my generation will not be able to afford to buy a home, and that’s not only because of student loans being held over our heads, but because the baby boomer generation and Gen X utilized all of the changes to the financial system in the US during the late 70s - early 90s to dominate the housing market, and they now own HALF of ALL the homes in the United States. This is why it’s difficult for those who pursue formal education to actually make a decent living now. And those are the people who had the benefit of being able to even go to college. “Unskilled” workers should be able to pursue formal education just like any kid from a wealthy family. Also this is not “giving” children an education. This was not enfranchisement. These children were effectively slave labor with little ability to protect their own interests and zero autonomy. No, kids should not have their hope and happiness for a future removed. They should be protected and given a chance to decide what THEY want to do, whether that be going to university or choosing a “blue collar” job, but they don’t need their childhoods removed from underneath them. They need that time to grow and develop their emotional and mental stability, in addition to receiving an education. All kids do.

[@Dsdcain]

@@Mizmoon2020It is true about the abuse a body takes. I know that for a fact. I joke that I'm too young to feel this old. On the bright side there are a good number of advancements in equipment to help workers preserve their back and joints. Personally I wish some had been around for me. I beat myself up pretty bad being a heavy equipment mechanic. There are trades that don't kick your butt as bad though. My wish is that at least young people were introduced to more options beyond the college track. Not to mention *we need people to fix the the things that break, or need to be replaced,* and it seems less American kids are interested in learning how to do it. Take it easy, and have a good one.

[@Mizmoon2020]

@@Tsumami__ ironically college is so expensive exactly because the government tried to level the playing field via student loans and grants. It just drove tuition prices up because then there way way more competition for coveted college admission slots.

[@michaelharrison3602]

​@Mizmoon2020 Tony Blair's education, education, education convinced a generation that academic qualifications were the only ones that matter and discouraged them from learning trades My university educate nephew struggles to earn enough money to support his family. My own son left school at 15 and went into building work he is the same age as my nephew owns his own house and another in Spain both his children go to University one is training to be a doctor one a lawyer while my University educated nephew's children are both out of work. He would probably earn more stacking shelves in a supermarket despite his important sounding qualifications

[@JoMarieM]

While these ships weren't exactly a utopia for these kids, they still sounded MUCH better than trying to eke out a living on the mean streets. On these ships, the boys seemed to be decently cared for and well-fed; they got an education, learned vital job skills, a good work ethic and responsibility -- and they still had time to have fun and enjoy being kids. I wonder if there were any programs that existed for girls from impoverished family backgrounds during this time period, or were they pretty much left to fend for themselves? It would have been nice if they could have been included in this program to some degree -- but considering that during this era, girls were considered to be future homemakers, so giving them vocational skills would have been considered pointless. Plus, the idea of boys and girls living together on a boat would have probably made some of the proper Victorians flip out!

[@ashleysullivan236]

try it

[@triedzidono]

to imagine women only started working recently is a symptom of the low end propaganda of the times. Congratulations. Women have done most of the hard work for all human kind. It's just that this is a story about boys on a ship. Leave your chauvinism ashore madame.

[@sweetcherry7759]

We need this now-there’s so so soooo sooooooooo many bad parents, it’s maddening and depressing. I just hope abuse wouldn’t somehow happen, since I dont fully trust certain folks so easily.

[@miapdx503]

We've failed at education, so alternatives like this would absolutely change young lives. I'd rather see young people put into training than sleeping on the street. These boys had teaching and structure, discipline and education. It was a beginning...

[@peggedyourdad9560]

I think this would actually be a good thing for adults as well.

[@terranceaddison4599]

The 90s and 2k did us no favors did it? 😔

[@RennoFun]

Kids - parents responsibility and government officials have no rights to intervene in any way, unless there is actual casual physical violence at home. Even in that case a child must be given to closest relative, as government has no rights to decide kids faith in any shape or form. Period!

[@nathansealey6270]

Sounds like every boy’s dream!! Technically running a ship & being practical

[@janetpendlebury6808]

I very much doubt it was all beer and skittles on those boats. I am sure many of the boys hated it and got punished.

[@RunninUpThatHillh]

As I highlighted in my own comment: children polled said they'd rather go off to work than go to school (even if school paid them).

[@coconutsmarties]

​@@RunninUpThatHillh And so what? I didn't know what was best for me when I was that age, neither does any kid really. And also, while this ship business does sound pretty idyllic (though one can't imagine the level of bullying there must have been), pretty much every other 'job' a kid of that era could possibly have was utterly terrible and usually pretty dangerous too.

[@markwiygul6356]

what's best for kids is to allow kids to be kids (have fun and mentorship with mentors they want) and at the same time prepare them for Harvard or other fine university, to be corporate leaders, government leaders, military leaders, or religious leaders, and therefore be assets to society and support a society that fosters a life of prosperity for all . . not a life of lower class drudgery and catastrophic social deprivation or servitude for a life of economic exploitation, worked to death at a young age @@coconutsmarties

[@jamiecarlin-KING]

@robertstallard7836I agree that this culture has to much bullying/ abuse being used for failure. Being bullied is actually a life lesson if you don’t learn at one point in your life you will be walked all over. Because they don’t or won’t teach this in schools any child of mine will not be bullied, or they won’t be allowed back in the house. Are children really bullied or are the just being weak minded? In regards to the ship ⛴️ it’s not exactly a bad idea for the time! Although in my mind I can picture a lot of sniffling children crying because they got put on a ship with strict rules.

[@mathoskualawa9000]

This reminds me of the Youth Challenge program in Hawaii. Truants and generally high school aged (14 to 17 years of age) "bad kids" get sent to Youth Challenge, which prepares them for Hawaii National Guard. The Barber's Point facilities are repurposed World War 2 military barracks.

[@TrevorNet]

Spam for breakfast, lunch, & dinner.

[@martyal]

I was in high school in the ‘60’s and knew a few guys who were involved in the legal system. When their day in court arrived, they were given the choice of going to “reform school “ or joining the military.

[@victoriadalrymple6497]

I love your channel always interesting and informative. But rarely it is of such positive outcomes for the people involved. I enjoyed hearing of better circumstances for these boys at least

[@FactFeast]

I appreciate that! I’m happy you enjoyed it.

[@AngiesCousin]

This could help our education system so much - especially for middle school students.

[@vispolonia2670]

We need these back :D

[@michaeldillon3113]

My father was a boy sailor ( 15 1/2 ) in the RN in the late 30's . He was at HMS At Vincent . The other boys establishment was HMS Ganges . The life of these boys sounds very similar to that of the Shaftesbury. Reading the literature I know that boys from the TS Arethusa fed into these boys training schools in the RN . The Arethusa must have been connected to the Shaftesbury somehow because I note that the Arethusa was actually the Shaftesbury Arethusa . The Arethusa must have been going in some form in the 60's because I recall a boxing match between the local boys school and the Arethusa boys . Sadly the boys were matched by age and not weight . Horrible to see young boys being knocked out sparko .

[@robertcammack902]

I knw the Arethusa well when I lived in Chatham dockyars.

[@j.b.4340]

This was beautiful. I hadn’t realized how awful I usually feel, after taking these stories in. (The “terrible” ones are very important, so we won’t forget how we came to enjoy our present, comfortable lives.

[@FactFeast]

I’m happy you liked it. Thank you for writing.

[@Ryan-vg4wn]

And for parts of the world and parts of whatver country you're in - the issues and problems are Similair today as they were then. Inequality is just as bad worldwide.

[@died4us590]

I rather enjoyed this episode, good to see that boy's ended up having a good life because the men in charge of their care were honourable, and had only good intentions helping boy's become men. Thanks for another great video. G-d bless.

[@ericrivera8410]

You believe everything you see on the internet?

[@hannahjane5034]

I wish these existed now. It sounds like it’s a great, healthy experience which shapes these kids futures.

[@RunninUpThatHillh]

John Taylor Gatto highlighted in his book The Underground History of Compulsory Schooling....an old article from way back where children were polled: would you rather work at a job, or go to school? AND get paid while in school? Something like 90% of children answered they'd rather work than attend school. Again, even if they were paid to attend.

[@mauricedavis2160]

Boot and Ship camp for young boys, history doesn't change just the date, unbelievable and unfortunate, thank you Fact Feast for another excellent episode!!!🙏👬😢❣️

[@strothermartin5368]

Did this really happen,all this goodie goodie stuff. A grown man on a ship with", young boys".

[@janetpendlebury6808]

Yes, I agree, while a lot of boys may have benefitted and got on, I bet the majority hated it and couldn't wait to get off the ships. And punishments would have been harsh, and although this one ship might have had a decent 'captain' I bet most didn't. Abuse would have been rife.

[@pallasathena1369]

Newsham asylum had been a boys orphage in the 1800's. It's interior jas distinct ship architecture. So very sad. The attic still contains the tiny cupboards they used for punishment. Designed in a way that the child couldn't lie down. The old records contain a horrific list of drownings in the lake on the property. The property ended its life in the 90's qs a psychiatric hospital which ian brady was transferred to for his psychiatric tests before trial. It is all now degrading and used for ghost hunting.

[@jeannedouglas9912]

What a horrific pattern of usery and abuse.

[@prettypuff1]

Industrial school is a concept to consider.

[@bazra19]

I was a Shaftesbury School Boy. There was the Arathusa Training Ship, Fortasque House, and Bisley Boys School. Are there any other chaps out there who went to Lord Shaftesbury Schools.

[@samanthamcgahan2066]

That was fascinating!! Thank you!!

[@FactFeast]

You’re welcome! Thank you for taking the time to write.

[@sbalsamo410]

I was waiting for this to turn bad, expecting a verbal record scratch demarcating the sanctioned description from one that was horrific and abusive. Didn’t happen! Nice!

[@brianoneil9662]

Hmm. Oliver Twist wasn't all that realistic then. This was fascinating and I learned much! Thank you!

[@FactFeast]

Great to know! There are many aspects of this era in history to uncover and I enjoy researching and presenting them.

[@ZeoViolet]

Oliver Twist was based in part on Charles Dicken's childhood recollections...at least, certainly, the poorhouse part!

[@ruthtallmer9506]

Ummm, no, prison ships for boys were horrific & if anything Dickens watered down the bleak lives of many Victorian children.

[@tonythetiger1600]

What I mean Oliver twist wasn't real lol I thought orphans often broke into song n dance haha xox

[@kathleenbarry4224]

Thank you insightful. We need successful programs like this

[@FactFeast]

I’m glad you found it worthwhile. Thank you!

[@daniellewillis2767]

This could be made into a musical called "Urchins Away!"

[@juliebarks3195]

Sounds better than Pontins holiday camp.

[@Tsumami__]

These little boys needed mothers to protect and care for them, not to be slung on board a ship to be used as workers…. Poor little guys. Granted this was not the case for most kids, but the ones that did end up there..

[@SamK2525]

Ur silly

[@kenneth9874]

The royal navy always needed sailors...

[@Concordnh603]

@@kenneth9874and? The navy can piss off

[@paulbenedict1289]

Because we all know how good mothers are in shaping boys into young men.

[@markwiygul6356]

The Union used boys in the navy during the Civil War. For instance, the USS Cairo had 14 year old George R Yost, "First Class Boy", who survived his ironclad's sinking by the first recorded "torpedo" sinking of a warship in the history of the world (as the word "torpedo" was used in those days, it was not self propelled, it would be termed a mine today). There is a museum setup at Vicksburg with his picture . . and many other naval artifacts from the river boat ironclad.

[@lunastar7599]

This is a positive recollection! ❤❤❤❤

[@FactFeast]

Glad you liked it. Might be a bit of a positive spin from this journalist. I’m sure it was a good outcome for some boys, but not for all. I believe there were accidents on training ships too.

[@coconutsmarties]

​@@FactFeastOh I agree, the untempered positivity about the ship emanating from this account feels like perhaps he was the captain's drinking buddy or something. Still, I do believe that on average life on the ship was better than it was for a lot of poor youngsters back then.

[@OldenVoices]

All children need some sort of structure in their lives, and maybe this sort of structure made all the difference for these boys. Interesting to think on how culture impacts these sort of interventions as well, as boys from different parts of the country may not have reacted in the same way

[@rachel4558]

Really enjoyed this video, I had never heard of these ship schools

[@FactFeast]

It’s great that you found this history so interesting. Thank you!

[@egregious3666]

@@FactFeast I thought your top hat represented Jiminey Cricket. In one cartoon version, they escape from a ship full of bad boys.

[@lunastar7599]

Thanks!

[@FactFeast]

Thank you very much for your super thanks lunastar!

[@SoberOKMoments]

In 1955, when I was 11, I attended a function honoring the lives of the boys off the Training Ship Wellesley where my great uncles, Billy and Britt Burn (born in the 1850s), were once "trained" on the River Tyne in Northumbria for their lives at sea that followed their time there. The program was established in 1868 "to provide shelter for Tyneside waifs and train young men for service in both Royal and Merchant Navies." My great-uncles' memories of their experiences aboard the Wellesly were not fond ones.

[@michaeldillon3113]

Compare this to the utter chaos of our local comprehensive ( academy ) school where the teachers are on strike because they fear for their safety in the classroom . 😱

[@josie_the_valkyrie]

Brilliant, as always! Very informative.

[@FactFeast]

Thank you! Glad it was worthwhile.

[@angr3819]

My paternal grandfather left school age 10, in 1899.

[@carrie8751]

So glad it was a pleasant story, was expecting much worth😊❤️👍

[@FactFeast]

Glad you liked it. Thank you!

[@retsilaear4134]

As a boy, my late father was threatened with "being sent to the Mars". HMS Mars was a training ship for boys anchored in the Firth of Tay.

[@19irving]

I'm afraid to ask what they did w/the girls.

[@Pembroke.]

They need more of these ideas nowadays

[@ytxmak]

Um, actually, it sounds very much like establishment propaganda. Don't take this idyllic scene too literally.

[@eilissmith8591]

Well they did set up a floating “ prison”. Sorry, detainment centre, it was shut because they found asbestos on the ship.

[@Tsumami__]

No. No we do not. We need people to actually care for kids and treat them like humans that have value and worth, not like “urchins” that are only there to serve as the disenfranchised working class. Kids need stability and love if they are ever going to grow up to be a truly functional member of society. They don’t need to be turned into little mules.

[@Pretermit_Sound]

@Ten-Downing-Street yeah, so they give people who think cruelty is a viable solution to anything, can get a taste of their own medicine.

[@plugspud421]

I'm sure kids would love just 7 years at school

[@patricktracey7424]

in the 1800s there was a victorian former three master sailing ship prison hulk permanently berthed in the gare loch near to faslane submarine naval base in scotland, i remember when i was at a local school in the 70s being shown old blurred photos of it.

[@emmabaylis4144]

Strangely wholesome story thank you so much .

[@FactFeast]

You’re welcome! Glad you liked it.

[@garetteasdale7064]

my dad was put onto the training ship "gravesend sea school" which was moored at sharpness bristol, it was a victorian 3 mast square rigger, this happened in the 1940s!

[@ukeyaoitrash2618]

Given the Victorian era, I totally expected a hellish-horror-nightmare, but this seems pretty positive! Pleasantly surprised!

[@buckgulick3968]

So...they still used "prison hulks." Wow! (albeit a far cry from how they were used for POW's) That's the best thing about history. Just when you think there's nothing more to learn it throws you a curve. Great video.

[@FactFeast]

Cheers! Glad you found the history interesting.

[@LindaRichardson-qw3ci]

My great grandfather was on it, we had a shock when researching it. Made he living as a musician

[@Mr29roses]

My Great Grandfather was born in the workhouse, spent most of his earliest years in the workhouse then was sent to the St. Mary's Orphanage at North Hyde. He stayed there until he was 13 when released only to be sent to Canada to work on the farm as a home child until the age of 18.

[@georgebrooks3747]

Thanks for the pronunciation of Shaftesbury, from Shaftesbury Dorset

[@Wulfyr]

I noticed too. Good to meet another Dorsetman here. 🎶🎵 DORSET IS BEAUTIFUL WHEREVER YOU GO!'👍🏻

[@goodnightmyprince6734]

I'd literally be on one of these ship in the past.

[@Immopimmo]

This doesn't sound too bad. I'm sure a lot of kids nowadays would benefit from this kind of education. I know the kid me would love to fire rifle and cannon and play with cutlass rather than sit at a school desk

[@Khatoon170]

Last part of my research first training ships were established by navy : these were for good boys often from wealthy families, then were reformatory ships for boy who had been convicted of crime . These boys had usually offended more than once , were aged about 12 to 16 years old and sent to board for up to five years. Next were industrial training ships , these boys had been before magistrate but not convicted of crime . Often younger than reformatory boys , they might have been sent on board for sleeping rough , having no means of support of living in house of ill repute. Final type of ship was training ship . These ships were for boys , but those of good characters they had not committed before magistrate and of ten were orphans whose father had been sailor . Reformatory and industrial ships were usually big old wooden of warships. Ship building improved and moved to steam power , many of these old ships were lying unused in docks and so were reused as training ships . Ships were moored in one place and generally did not move . Although Southampton at hull moved into dock for winter . Boys followed busy time table which included every day six hours of industrial training and three hours of education . All ships gave boys lessons in basic writing, reading, arithmetic. More advanced boys could learn geography, history, religious instruction. Was also important with prayer everyday and many of ships allowed boys to attend church on Sundays . Industrial training ship was main focus of learning . Boys were taught skills all sailors would need such as knotting net and sailors repairing, towing , furling sail . Most of ships had smaller vessel so boys could have practical experience of handling boat . There were three reformatory ships and ten industrial training ships in untied kingdom. If boy was committed to reformatory ship he had to first serve time in prison usually14 days. In year 1899 initial Gaol term was abolished and boys could be sent directly to reformatory ship . Boys would be sent striaght to industrial training ship . Although they might got to workhouse first while arrangement were made to transform them . Merry Christmas happy new year in advance. Best wishes for you your dearest ones . I hope you like my research.

[@FactFeast]

Thank you very much Khatoon and for your season’s greetings wishes.

[@pauline6521]

Awful calling them bad boys. They were probably trying to survive.

[@lesleycooper7544]

Oh and I thought the bibby barge. Was a new idea

[@sensumcommunem4364]

Crazy, with hindsight, some might consider these poor boys fortunate.

[@shrug_shrugsly]

What a video 😢 beautifully done ❤

[@FactFeast]

Thank you so much!

[@LerVal-x1h]

Great video. I enjoy the content

[@FactFeast]

I appreciate that! You can discover more on my channel.

[@jandoerlidoe3412]

A rather upbeat narrative.....but no doubt for many it was an escape from a worse domestic situation...

[@PaNDaSNiP3R]

Maybe we should bring these back

[@cynthiaschultheis1660]

I'm only 2nd generation from my grandfather born in 1903. His parents immigrated from Austria and Hungary. He felt the pain of early labor, prejudice, snobbery. Hungarians were slurred as "Bo Hunk" "HUNKY" AND "HONKY!!! 😪😪😪😵😵😵

[@blueneeson9888]

Thanks For This Very Interesting Video From Blue

[@FactFeast]

You're welcome Blue. Thank you for writing!

[@haroldhorton2603]

This should be a good thing for adults who don't want to work or have no discipline.

[@charlotteinnocent8752]

At the beginning of the video onward, sounds like the ADULTS are the bad ones. Poor little kids!

[@ricpayne9265]

I wonder who employed the reporter to write this? Sounds lovely. Street kids put on a ship in cramped conditions, run by seaman with a little religious education and some Victorian discipline and fine food, no doubt. one can only imagine how lovely it was with absolutely no abuse at all.

[@patricktracey7424]

the masts were cropped and the rigging was removed just the body remained.

[@derekstevens164]

I often make fun of Br*tish people with, "The hooligans are knocking over dustbins in *shaftsberry!*" Little did I know that Shaftsberry was a real thing for juvenile boys. Good video @FactFeast

[@CarlosPEnis]

My uncle taught me how to play sling the monkey back when he was still alive. I wasn't aware of him being a sailor or anything though

[@terranceaddison4599]

People were insane...I believe no kid should go through stuff like that 😔🥺 On the other hand, are insane now (parents, courts, school) cutting they kinda loose

[@DavidWoods-y7t]

We need those and the cane bringing them back

[@pjm4112]

starving kids who stole bread.

[@robertcammack902]

Great Video. As an Old Conway it all seems very familiar,

[@FactFeast]

Thank you! Glad you liked it.

[@Youtubecensoredmyusername]

Wow school has been a prison since Victorian times. So busy work all day and then go home and do the work you were supposed to do at school

[@Khatoon170]

How are you doing sir. Thank you for your wonderful cultural documentary channel. As always iam gathering main information about topics you mentioned briefly here it’s I read excellent article written on March 31 2021 , by Julie brumby Leeds Beckett university, titled reformatory and industrial training school ships in 19 th century. Reformatory and industrial training school ships developed in 19 th century as response to concerns about juvenile crime, reformatory and industrial schools were established on land and these schools had problems with training employment for youths when they left . At this time England was maritime country with constant need for sailors . So idea arose to borrow old wooden ship , fill it with juvenile delinquents and train them to be sailors. Boys would be educated as well as being taught trade , so they could earn honest living rather than returning to crime . Isolation, being moored out in river also provided total removal of boys from their corruptive environment, family and friends. In 19 th century there were four types for training school ships , two of them intended for criminal youths .

[@FactFeast]

This sounds like an informative article. Thank you Khatoon.

[@carollollol]

It is a pitty they can't find a way to put such info to use in prisons now. So they could find a happy life after a sentence instead of it being a matter of time they get into trouble.

[@JackReynolds-w7g]

It's really wonderful reading comments from you people with relatives-past that have had actual experience with the subject of this post, thank you. Much better than any old dusty textbook. 😉

[@cbettles]

It isn’t compulsory to send children to school now. It is a legal requirement that they get an education but it is a parents choice whether they get it at school or elsewhere.

[@angr3819]

Thank you

[@FactFeast]

You're welcome

[@dylancarter1831]

From too much discipline to no discipline.

[@sassymess7111]

Never heard this before.

[@FactFeast]

Hope it was interesting.

[@dexterisabo3137]

I can see it. It's very easy for a boy to become institutionalized by military life. Especially if they're devoid of father figure. The modern West should have boats like these in every harbor. Should also do something like this with a group like the Army Corp of Engineers. A young lad would learn a ton working around those guys.

[@Thomas-yr9ln]

I was a kid I would have been in a lot of trouble if I would have come from that time period because I hated school and would skip school at every chance I got.

[@patricialong5767]

It must have been a very hard, rough life for these boys, indeed!

[@1922BluePhoenix]

that kid looks like a body builder 😂

[@wrangelinhabitant161]

It is so hard to hear about children sufferings...

[@tobyhorn9641]

The victorans were very cruel to their kids and it carried over in some ways till the 80s when I was a kid

[@davidpar2]

Looks like Jackie Coogan @ 3:20

[@NanaAmySpectreSeeker1111]

I do Spirit Box sessions, I get the word "virulent" I thought it was about a quarantine ship, but maybe it's this...

[@RahR-s3k]

They are STILL criminals

[@lynnemurphy114]

Excellent

[@FactFeast]

Thank you so much 😀

[@HaileeSmith]

I can see how having purpose and play would make these boys happier than being on the street… maybe we should take notes from old times lol

[@stevebroadway7274]

My grandad was on one of these , then straight into the 8th army due to ww2 , long time for stealing pennies 😂you'd not get that for stealing a pension fund and probably get a knighthood

[@anniehope8651]

This was done to more criminals right? Not just boys. There were prisoon ships that sort of functioned as halfway houses. By the way, this is still done today in my country, The Netherlands. People who need to be housed temporarily ar often housed on large ships. Asylum seekers, homeless people, etc. It works because all facilities are there, but it still has a temporary character.

[@susanharris3040]

This is the way to teach troubled teens. Need to bring it back. I was young got sent to military camp. Straightened me out quick. N I got use to wat I was taught.

[@ericswain4177]

Might be a good idea for some today. But of course, these ships and industrial schools were abusive.

[@coppertopv365]

Imagine this takin place in England and America today. . . 😂

[@thewizdad]

The Victorian era (the peak of the Commonwealth) this school was feeding the most powerful military in the world. That reading sure sounds good to the ears of a poor parent that was scraping a living earning a penny a day doing awful work.