The Hidden Kennedy Daughter

As the sister of John F Kennedy and the eldest daughter of the formidable and famous Kennedy clan, Rosemary Kennedy should have been American Royalty like so many of her siblings. Instead, she was the family’s dirty little secret-and her horrific fate casts a dark pallor on the vaunted American dynasty.
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[@jameseldridge4185]

Old Joe Sr was simply a despicable person. This is only one example of multiple events of his life.

[@user-fq8rs7rz3i]

Yes, his wartime activities were shocking.

[@margaretleboeuf6765]

Unfortunately, I have to agree. Evidence proves he was a bootlegger who was involved with the Italian Mafia. That $$$ was helpful for promoting his children in politics.

[@kendallevans4079]

Man, you got that right! He was a 💩....as were many of the clan....

[@gregoryhenderson2640]

Truth!!!!

[@thisperson5294]

Love of his life of course was Adolf.

[@jrleps1393]

Joe was a self centered narcissist. Evil and corrupt to the core! Poor Rosemary. 😢

[@JustMe-uu3bh]

she went along with it, apparently. why else were the Kennedy children NEVER ALLOWED to speak about Rosemary?

[@24Wynn]

​@@JustMe-uu3bhThe mother didn't know about the surgery and Rosemary also didn't know what a lobotomy was. Joseph Kennedy tried to keep this a secret from his own wife. He was a vile man who was a serial cheater and taught his kids to be just like him.

[@heidinewcombe696]

@@JustMe-uu3bh You should do more research. Many people including children could be institutionalized for no reason other than misbehavior. She was likely tricked into the procedure by her horrible father!

[@swiftjustice04]

@@JustMe-uu3bhshe was not in her right mind

[@barbarabagatin8962]

Same the witch he married.

[@user-bn4mn2xe3h]

i too have Cerebral palsy, i cant walk. i was born in1962.i had a crazy dumb aunt who called me a reject when i was born. Some reject! i have a college degree, live on my own with a home health aide,and do my own bills and personal things.my mom and godfathers family raised me and loved me then and even now. i am glad we now live in a different age where the abuse that rosemarie suffered will not be allowed.I wiil say that Joe Sr. makes me sick.i know that you cant cure stupid people.

[@MarkWG]

Gods' Blessings to you. I have no doubt that your family is very proud of you! Pay no attention to that aunt.

[@sheilasullivan1950]

Me too. Parents told I was a 'spastic retard' to put me in a home and walk away. They didn't, but rejection was present anyway.

[@user-bn4mn2xe3h]

god bless rosemary.you are in the arms of god. rest in peace.

[@chloeuntrau4588]

It's not a question of time but rather that some families cannot bear to show any sign of "weakness" or "illness".

[@zinnia3684]

This is evil.

[@cosmicrae]

The nurse should also be held accountable.

[@rudymontana4515]

You can't fix stupid.

[@cynthiaburrus255]

The nurse of that time would not be held accountable if there were a doctor's order to give her morphine as ordered by a doctor and he could give that order verbally, without his immediate presence. Nurses did not have much autonomy then. But now certainly, a nurses experience has a great deal to do with what a nurse actually does. How many births she had participated in has a very great deal to do with what is acceptable. That's why the story of telling Rose to "hold her legs together" is just c.rap. The order could be made "As needed" with dose and time parameters. All the Stories I've heard surrounding her birth sound like garbage. (I'm a retired RN. Mother of three and two of my children were delivered completely without even so much as a tylenol. My Eldest was born at a time when women were "knocked out" to deliver. Just a few years later, Barring complications, it was then EXPECTED THAT A WOMAN CHOOSE her preferred mode of pain control from unmedi- cated to a "spinal". In my area at that time, epidurals were not used. As memory serves, I believe the "saddle block" was the most often used. I'm far from young and the changes I've lived to see in patient care are remarkable)

[@user-pb6nj3jy6r]

I think Rosemary kennedy was the prettiest of the Kennedy woman. The fact that the nurse maid made Rose hold her legs together is horrible. I bet if rose had been allowed to have the baby while the baby was going normally through the birth canal, Rosemary would not have had mental problems. Shame on her parents for not visiting her.

[@dianewuchevich6208]

What does "allowed" mean? You tell evil people who are demanding you do stupid things to STFU and GTFO. I guess Rose didn't have any brains herself.

[@rjdarrow2378]

She definitely was the prettiest. No offense to her sisters.

[@DB-ne7ki]

What an idiot nurse maid. No one in their right mind would recommend that.

[@LizBond-oq2hg]

Nurse not nurse maid.

[@user-tb5lw9fb7k]

Why would you even believe this story? lol

[@OhHeyItsRae.]

The nurse trying to delay the birth until the doctor got there is literally the exact thing that was done to my grandma when my mother was born in the 60s. As a result, the lack of oxygen caused my mom to be born with fairly severe cerebral palsy. Women have been giving birth since the literal beginning of humanity. How tf did so many medical professionals think it was a good idea to keep the mothers legs closed during active labor?? It's not like childbirth is a new phenomenon or anything.

[@cherylallis2458]

Hospitals put men in charge of women's work, that's how.

[@elleobi]

The barbarism of modern medicine

[@conspiracybeliever1749]

Horrifying!

[@ravenwynde1]

Barbaric and very low intellect

[@virginiemasai9024]

They are evil and knew why they did so. The battle is always spiritual, evil people against good souls. No accidents.

[@micscottjr]

She was abused and abandoned as a child then tortured and isolated as a young adult. Heartbreaking.

[@melbabowen4389]

Rosemary’s father was a monster for having her lobotomized .

[@g.strobl4458]

He was a monster, full-stop.

[@54bonkers]

My grandfather knew Joe Kennedy and said he was an SOB.

[@barneyronnie]

He was FAR worse than being a SOB!

[@hugokatz]

He was a gangster

[@rudymontana4515]

Is this where people who never met him act like they knew him ?

[@deborahwalton-blanchard5817]

@@rudymontana4515 this is where people who have first hand accounts of him say so. He was a vicious unethical human being with a vindictive streak a mile long.

[@TheNightshadePrince]

You know psychologist even today can’t tell the difference of someone who grew up with abusive and/or neglectful parents and someone who has a mental illness. Thank you for bring up the fact that she probably didn’t have a mental illness.

[@teaoclock9080]

It's more that trauma can cause or dramatically increase the symptoms of mental illness - someone with PTSD, for an extreme example, is still mentally ill, even though their issues developed as a result of life events rather than being an innate part of their neurological functioning. It's incredibly hard to determine how much of mental illness is nature and how much is nurture (or lack thereof) unless detailed records are kept from birth. However, there is definite evidence that even genetic predisposition towards developing something like depression doesn't mean suffering from it is inevitable - the likelihood increases with the amount of trauma a person suffers in their life. I'm autistic and have ADHD, and there's signs of that present in stories about even the earliest stages of my childhood - those things are almost certainly natural parts of how my brain works, classed by some definitions as mental disabilities (though I consider them to just be differences, not disabilities). The depression and anxiety I've suffered since my teens, though - those are definitely the result of abuse and neglect, and they are considered to be mental illnesses.

[@jessicaferguson4518]

Abuse often begets mental illness

[@jennifersilves4195]

It's the same thing.

[@MeidasTouch_Chickadee]

Yep psychology and psychiatry are dark ages pseudo sciences. Like Christianity and islam. Dark recess of human pit.

[@Catlily5]

​@@jennifersilves4195 Not the same thing but a lot of overlap.

[@victoriajohnson3612]

My grandmother told me this story when I was little. I thought then that it was wrong. 50 years later, it's so very wrong. Poor Rosemary

[@playinglifeoneasy9226]

My mom also spoke about this, even many decades ago. She saw right through the horrible father.

[@ranisrikumar5735]

Shocking to hear the innocent girl suffering! My late father was a strong admirer of John f kennedy strong memories. All these real stories stranger than fiction! The nurse was to be punished for this atrocity 😢

[@arlenesarvela4015]

Joseph Kennedy was an evil horrid man. This is such a horrid sad story to hear. I cant imagine how Rosemary suffered due to her "loving" damily.

[@danielmanohar9003]

All Roman catholics are!!!

[@freckles8119]

With that as a father anyone would have suffered depression.

[@crunchybunnylady]

"Do no harm" those doctors were evil monsters, who should have reported her father, rather than perform the procedure.

[@dianep6791]

Sadly, money means power.😢

[@24Wynn]

He was a powerful man at that time. And very wealthy from being a bootlegger during prohibition. Or was that his dad? Just a very vile serial adulterer that wanted power at all cost.

[@janguthrielawson4418]

$$$$$

[@zzzbbbooo]

They've ignored the "do no harm" thing for decades. Abortion stats tell us that.

[@carmaela2689]

There was no one to report to in those days.

[@elizabethjackson5013]

He did not want her to speak. So he made sure she would never.... tell. Rose knew the truth yes she sacrificed her daughter for the prestige and position . The mother was just as evil as the father.

[@7x779]

What was the secret?

[@ellenfoster9764]

I’ve read that Rose said no but her hubby went ahead and had it done.

[@marilynwillett804]

@@7x779 That nothing was wrong with the daughter but he had her brain scrambled, surgically. see she was very pretty and popular and liked to party, he thought she might get pregnant and bring shame on his family, so he destroyed her life. she wasn't an alcoholic and din't do drugs.

[@24Wynn]

​@@ellenfoster9764I've read that she didn't know about it. Her husband didn't tell her until she kept on asking where Rosemary was. It was pretty sick and sad. She was the most beautiful of all the Kennedy kids.

[@terryperrino9968]

​@@24Wynnk

[@CartePostale.]

Please, bear with me as this will be a relatively long but vital comment. I'm so very glad that, towards the end of your vlog, you told the truth, as revealed by James Watts M.D. The Kennedys have crafted history to put themselves in the best light, as always. My Grandfather knew the Kennedys during Joe's time as Ambassador to the Court of King James & my father reminded me to never forget what Joe did to Rosemary. The Kennedys only became, "American royalty", a moniker they adored, because both paternal & maternal grandfathers broke the law to earn their fortunes!!. Joe's father had been a bootlegger during prohibition & Rose's father "bought" votes, mainly by moving around polling stations & giving all entrants a dollar & the men received the dollar wrapped around a cigar with the statement, "Don't forget "Honey Fitz" (John Francis Fitzgerald) in the polling booth!" The story of Rosemary's birth was carefully crafted many, many years later, as an excuse for the medical havoc which her father paid heavily to have performed & no reason for it's performance kept quiet. All of the Kennedy children were expected to keep diaries, including Rosemary. Rosemary was the prettiest of the Kennedy sisters, followed by Kathleen &, my Grandfather said that, she was usually the winner at tennis (not an easy thing to do if one was unstable in either mind or body!). She had a superb way with words & her dance card was always full at balls after she "came out" as a debutante, much to the chagrin of her sisters. On the subject of her "coming out". The Windsors with their ignorant prejudice against disabilities (don't forget Prince John 1905-1919, youngest son of King George V & Queen Mary who simply suffered from epilepsy & a mild learning disability who was kept in a cottage, with his devoted nanny, away from his siblings, as he was an "embarrassment" to his parents!). There was a firm rule that anyone with a disability was NEVER presented at court. Yet, we have a photograph to commemorate the occasion - Rose, Rosemary & Kathleen, dressed for the debutante's presentation at court each wearing the traditional white ostrich feathers in their hair. As for Rosemary's "trip" as she curtsied? Until the ceremony was deemed to be outdated, women who were presented had to wear a white dress with a long train which was worn over the wrist - until the curtsey when the long train had to be dropped from the wrist, swiftly kicked behind her feet with one foot, then came the curtsey (which a LOT of British women fumbled). Joe's downfall, as a serial adulterer & attempted bribes in parliament & society, required a scapegoat & sweet, compliant, unsuspecting Rosemary was it. Dispossessed of his title & sent back to the U.S.A., in disgrace, made him very angry. So, with Rose's silent assent, Rosemary was given one of the newer, shorter but very destructive pre-frontal lobotomies by Walter Freeman II M.D. (using an ice pick from his own kitchen drawer - his own son, remembering the day, called his father an "expletive monster") & James Watts M.D. Rosemary's life thereafter would never be the same &, to make her situation worse, her parents ignored all convents close enough to discourage her siblings from visiting (they lived between homes in Hyannis Port & Florida & St. Coletta's is in Minesotta!!). To further isolate her, Joe had a small cottage built for her AWAY from the main convent & any "friends" she might have enjoyed to have around her, with only one, or rarely two nuns for company. A priest came & served her mass, in solitude, once per week. Every time I hear the Kennedys praised for having established the "Special Olympics", I think to myself that it was an event born out of a family's guilt &, for destroying a perfectly normal human being, it was the very least that those monsters could do.........

[@ABC1701A]

Just one point, Prince John was only kept quietly living with his nanny when he was older and doctors advised that a quiet life was better for him - as he was epileptic - than being in the public eye. His parents remained devoted to him and regularly visited until he died during a fit (all information available on the internet and the many videos concerning him). Whether he was better living quietly with his loving nanny or with his family is up for debate but doctors at the time thought it was (never forget epilepsy wasn't well understood at the time) and can in NO WAY be compared with the vile way the Kennedy's acted. Never forget Daddy Joe actively supported Hitler and the UK govt had to ask for him to be removed as ambassador due to the fact he was actively supporting the ENEMY of the UK and was suspected of passing on official information to him.

[@chynnadoll3277]

Thank you for sharing so much information about Rosemary. My mother was obsessed with the Kennedys and would go on and on about how handsome the brothers were. My father was a Nixon supporter who did not like nor trust Kennedy. I remember hearing him talk about how Old Man Kennedy enlisted the help of the Mafia to help John “win” the presidency in 1960 and it worked. I believe this. I always suspected that organized crime played a part in the assassination, and it’s certainly plausible given the fact that Robert Kennedy basically declared war on them while he was Attorney General (huge conflict of interest that historians never talk about). Joseph Kennedy certainly was a narcissistic psychopath, Thank you again for such a well-written and thoughtful reply.

[@user-em6qu2bb2s]

man o"man this is saddening & heart wrenching!

[@E-Kat]

Yes, he was an evil man and I hope he's paying for what he has done to his daughter. He needed a lobotomy, not Rosemary.

[@MaryBywaters]

All plausible except that Nixon turned out to be cut from the same cloth and look what is happening now. Debatebly he worst of them all. @@chynnadoll3277

[@MystLily]

Gee what does a despicable tyrant do with a daughter who becomes old enough to defy him and tell of his crimes against her

[@judygedmistergaines7578]

EXACTLY!

[@ErinFindsHerWay]

Her younger sister Kathleen (Kick), who was the child just younger than her, had written to her father after researching the procedure and told her father it was bad. Supposedly, that’s one of the reasons Kick left the country.

[@lilianmcguigan9240]

Very disturbing to hear the doctor who lobotomized Rosemary, didn't think she 'needed' one, and suspected she merely suffered from depression. What kind of ethics did these men have, if any. It seems very strange they proceeded to cut deeper into her brain, considering her being unable to speak as an indication 'they had gone far enough'.

[@thisperson5294]

Nobody needed a lobotomy. Nobody was helped by them. It was a punishment for being ill.

[@lilianmcguigan9240]

It partially depends on what you have faith in. If you have faith in God, it is wrong to mutilate his creation. If you have faith in man, you will believe in anything.@@Vicki1951

[@theresabenko2540]

I wonder, if depression was that doctor's diagnosis, she must had visited him at least a few times to ":talk". So what pushed him towards lobotomy? 🤔 Perhaps the oh so powerful Joe Kennedy?

[@Diovanlestat]

​​@@Vicki1951In Britian every single doctor believes what he or she is doing, or they wouldn't do it. It's in their contract, and a part of their training, to swear an oath only to do what is right. That means they can refuse to see such clients, or enter a different branch of medicine if they it goes against their beliefs. I used to work with a doctor who made it clear that his Christian beliefs means he could not advocate abortions. No problems, just see another doctor, because the NHS charges no fees.

[@Vicki1951]

@@Diovanlestat thank you for replying. That’s very good to know.

[@sallyjohnson1547]

So tragic... The years of pressure to be 'perfect' were obviously a trigger for depression, rebellion in her early 20's.. the sudden 'deterioration' she presented with on returning to the US after the love, recognition, freedom she'd experienced in the UK is obviously a fear, anxiety, depression reaction to being back in an oppressive home environment.. so so sad, an absolutely criminal act by her father....

[@judithoconnor6442]

Rosemary was the most beautiful of the Kennedy women. It’s so sad what happened to her.

[@PhDrSeuss]

I agree. Especially her being the most beautiful of the sisters.

[@thisperson5294]

Lobotomy should never have happened to anybody, whether they were beautiful or ugly.

[@angelwings7930]

@@thisperson5294Well duh ?! Sherlock ? go pee on someone else’s comment 🤡

[@ramonavoight5656]

She really was pretty, and she didn't have the horsey teeth the others did.

[@Marlene55M]

Would it be less terrible if she hadn't been "beautiful", whatever that means, because beauty lies in the eye of the beholder? And it isn't "sad". It's a horrific crime committed against a healthy woman whose only "failure" was to be different.

[@12thDecember]

Rosemary's smile was stunning. She could have lived a truly happy life if her father weren't such a despicable, evil prick. Also, it's absolutely unconscionable that an actual nurse would delay the birth of a baby whose head is already in the birth canal. It's not rocket science to help deliver a baby if everything presents as normal.

[@terrykrall]

... Joe Sr. got his.

[@dorothydeese759]

It was a common practice back then to hold the legs closed if the doctor wasn't there to deliver the baby.

[@italiantraditionalcatholic2390]

You make him sound like Hitler ..Dratmaticism clouds the mindset 😮

[@ginablanshard8255]

it happened to my younger sister

[@menofairy]

The nuns did that to my Mother when she was giving birth to my brother Bill

[@juanitarichards1074]

There is no way I could have held my legs closed for 2 hours as baby was emerging......I'd rather deliver them myself (I had 4 daughters) than wait on some doctor......I wouldn't have listened to that nurse.

[@kathywright6853]

I think that was one of the experiments nazi doctors did to the prisoners, sick and diabolical

[@peterlawrence6815]

I don't know if you can deliberately hold a baby in for two hours when your at the pushing stage.

[@bunkyzirkus]

Someone in the comment section pointed out that the story about the nurse having Rose Kennedy keep her legs together was made up to justify their rationale for treating Rosemary so horribly. I tend to believe it. I think Rosemary was rebelling against the way she was ostracized and kept away from the family. I have known many people who were institutionalized and labeled mentally ill to keep them from telling the truth about their family secrets. Joe probably sexually abused poor Rosemary.

[@darlenelarochelle4011]

No doubt!

[@amysepan804]

​@peterlawrence6815 a woman on her own could not. Someone, or several someones could do that TO a woman, unfortunately.

[@JeanCrosby]

I'm from New England and grew up around the Kennedys . Very sad family. My heart breaks every time I hear about Rosemary.

[@user-us5pv8zw3z]

I grew up pretty close to Hyannis. The Kennedy’s were always wrapped in such a mystique. It shameful what transpired behind closed doors.

[@marciaspiegel5280]

What a god awful family. Daddy was the worst.

[@lindahughes2289]

They were all complicit !

[@suzyfarnham3165]

@@lindahughes2289 They were not. Most of the kids thought she was away at school. This story is BS as her brother and 2 sisters did visit her. Eunice especially?! How do you think the idea for the Special Olympics started??? Eunice Shriver during the JFK presidency. You OBVIOSLY never saw the speeches he made as president about Rosemary and the work done for retarded children and adults? The Summer Camps held EVERY year at Kennedy Estates? Forget THAT history or just ignorant to facts??

[@lisaboucher5553]

And that's why they were "cursed". The terrible joke is "does Rose Kennedy own a black dress?"

[@margaretbrady9158]

Never liked the Kennedy's. Marilyn Monroe.?????.

[@chrismcevoy2503]

You would never think anything was wrong with Rosemary Kennedy just by looking at her.

[@secretgoldfish]

What a creepy supposed father and Stepford Wife family.

[@bmwspirit]

This same doctor lobotomized my grandmother also in 1926 , she suffered from postpartum psychosis and stayed locked away for over sixty years , very sad , I met her when my brother went and got her out and placed in a nursing home that he worked at , that doctor did thousands of these actions

[@kimalonzo3363]

❤😢

[@Bughotwheels]

No fun postpartum psycosis sorry had unnecessary surgery 😢❤

[@munkyjammin]

💔💔💔

[@user-ti3vp9mt3z]

Doctors get away with anything. Ridiculous that we put them on a pedestal.

[@sweetbeep]

Its too bad to be true, but it is true. I'm so sorry. This is crushing.

[@chrismcevoy2503]

Joe Kennedy Sr. should’ve left his daughter Rosemary alone.

[@littleme3597]

Some daddy affection? In........

[@NorettaQuiroz]

I was born with intellectual disability abilities 🎉and I’m 55 years old my mom hid it from me I have aunt who rejects me and was mean to me ,my mom was shamed for being pregnant in 1968 by her religious family and so she were a tight girdle to hide me but until my birth because she was not married, I never knew my dad , I cried watching this so much , my family his my intellectual disability for a decade ,

[@stephaniestanley8041]

Eunice founded the Special Olympics as a tribute to Rosemary -- to try the right the wrong. ❤

[@GreenTea3699]

RFK Jr spent time volunteering with the Special Olympics Eunice had founded

[@CartePostale.]

The "Special Olympics" were a poor attempt at trying to right a wrong & I have no time for ANY of the Kennedy's (for the reasons I have left elsewhere). Eunice, as a person is described as an utter snob & obnoxious in her actions to those she deems beneath her! My grandparents moved in the same circles as the Kennedy family when old Joe was eventually given his greatest wish - as U.S. Ambassador to the Court of King James. They were disliked by most all who met them, including the late Queen Mother & King George VI. The one who utterly enchanted my grandparents was Rosemary. They told of her adeptness at tennis, regattas, her card was always first to fill & she had a clever way with words & recited large verses of poetry. I've written elsewhere that NO ONE with a disability could be "presented at court" in those days. Yet, we have a photograph of Rose with her two daughters, Kathleen & Rosemary in their white gowns & white ostrich feathers in their hair. This was a pretty, sweet-natured & intelligent young woman who was destroyed as her father was deposed & sent home in shame & dear Rosemary was the "scapegoat".

[@suzyfarnham3165]

@@CartePostale. OFO whine more?.....Who cares RH

[@lisaboucher5553]

​​@@suzyfarnham3165 lol wtf are you talking about? That's not whining. She told a true story amidst all the lies and you take it personally and tell a stranger to f.off. Do you have some sort of pony in the unsuccessful lobotomy race? Or are you some sort of lunatic Joe Sr fan? Your response is probably one of the most asinine things I've read in a while.

[@kathymcfarland5516]

The ambition and greed of that father is beyond belief. The fact that the mother turned the other cheek and allowed his behavior to continue speaks of HER lack of character. Future generations should review the history of this particular family and learn from unbridled ambition and the appearance of 'normality' usually hides more than one skeleton. Shameful behavior of both parents. Shameful, despicable and monstrous! The delayed birth and lack of oxygen because of that delayed birth undoubtedly caused some of the developmental delays exhibited in Rosemary's early childhood. The responsibility of this lies heavily on the mother and the attending nurse. That Rosemary was unable to compete at the higher levels of her siblings probably DID contribute to any alleged depression, as it would anyone. The parents wanting only perfect and competitive offspring more than likely led to Rosemary's provocative behavior while isolated in the 'convent.' She was the most attractive of the daughters and enjoyed the attention of men. Sadly, that was the trigger for her monstrous father to have her brains scrambled into mush. He just couldn't have THAT to deal with, while pushing his sons into politics! That coward didn't even have the balls to let his complicit wife in on that until it was done! No, she turned her head and continued to turn to her religion to get her through life, living with that monster. God save us from people like that!

[@Victoria.Foxworthy]

depression didn't cause her to not be able to crawl at 2yrs old

[@suzyfarnham3165]

Exactly.She did suffer from some form of developmental problems. All the fools here saying she was 'just depressed'. A 2 year old does not get 'depressed and not walk.She never read passed an 8 year old level....even as an adult...before the lobotomy.

[@stardate984]

It does sound that she had developed cerebral palsy from her birth injury. Hence not being able to walk at 2 years old. It’s possible that she developed depression because of all that had happened to her. 😢😢😢😔🙏🙏🙏

[@MeMeVoyageOf]

She had some brain damage.

[@TheJennaMay]

@@stardate984I agree..perhaps along with autism.

[@kimkemeys9563]

So disgraceful

[@kevinpoole6122]

The Kennedy’s did not make a horrific choice-Rosemary’s father did. 😢

[@KarmicSalt]

no, he followed medical advice given.

[@kevinpoole6122]

@@KarmicSalt Sure, he did, cupcake! 🧁 And Jesus speaks to you in your Dollar Tree instant oatmeal, too, doesn’t he?

[@estelleschneider9033]

I read the family was not involved in His Labotomy decision for Rosemary

[@user-fm4pq5ep6x]

Her father made that decision without even consulting her mother. He was evil. Eunice was Robert Kennedy’s wife, not a Kennedy by birth.

[@Catg1222]

@@kevinpoole6122idiot comment. He thought he was doing best for her

[@m.stokes8058]

Jackie K said of her husband, John, “Jack’s mother never loved him.”

[@patriley9449]

It is so sad that ambition often causes people to behave very badly to others in their family..

[@mechellewinslow65]

They were so cruel to her.

[@grandmapamm]

How sad her family was more concerned about what people would think of the family instead of trying to help their daughter shameful behavior for any parent to do.

[@suzyfarnham3165]

Not 'HER FAMILY' ...her parents.Try reading. Not ALL on KZbin is factual.

[@bethfinne3260]

Joe Sr was a horrid person.

[@zarahofshiloh7537]

The wicked sin of selfish ambition and the damage that is done to the children.

[@venganzamujer354]

This is so very sad. Thank you for telling us her story.

[@maureenreagan9544]

In defense of the nurse’s decision, I will say that “back then” (over a century ago) most if maybe not all nurses were trained never to make decisions independent of a doctor. This poor nurse was probably caught between a rock and a hard place and wasn’t “allowed” to deliver the baby. Sad that doctors were treated as gods and nurses as second class citizens.

[@jojogrrl2756]

I am a retired RN and I spoke to older nurses who were patients and they said when they nursed they couldn’t even take a blood pressure. We’ve come a long way but not far enough. No one can now say definitely what caused Rosemary’s issues. They delayed delivery didn’t help but plenty of women drank and smoked during pregnancy then too. It could’ve been a perfect storm. The lobotomy was awful but so were the asylums. Not much choice back then. Just so awful!

[@user-fq8rs7rz3i]

@@jojogrrl2756Hang on, there were midwives who delivered babies, independent of doctors, weren’t there?

[@MaiRaven3]

No defense of such an absurd decision. Women can have babies without doctors.

[@chloeuntrau4588]

@@user-fq8rs7rz3i may be not in hospitals or for "high society" folk....

[@classicG342]

@@user-fq8rs7rz3i Yes, but "richer" folks were supposed to have "expert" care and deliver in hospitals.

[@fatimahamid614]

These people did not deserve to be parents.

[@susanbuckley4153]

How horrific:(((

[@Linda98671]

That father was evil!

[@drinsk]

Beyond tragic.

[@Factinate]

Very much so

[@dawnieangel76]

I fully believe the reason the Kennedys were such terrible people & had so many bad things happen to them, was punishment for what Joseph did to Rosemary.

[@thisperson5294]

Nonsense. Karma is rubbish. Thousands of people were given that operation which was brutal and unnecessary and did no good.

[@dawnieangel76]

@@thisperson5294 I don't see where I said otherwise about the abhorrent practice.....

[@markmorris8532]

​@@dawnieangel76 I think the comment was in reference to "karma"...the fact that karma is nonsense.

[@lynpoole1545]

Ridiculous. So good people never have bad things happen to them? And bad people only have bad things happen? If only life was that fair and simple!

[@TheJennaMay]

Or what their bloodline does and continues to do to be who they are…..

[@margaretleboeuf6765]

I don't agree with the statement that the Kennedys were 'American Royalties'. History has shown that Joseph Kennedy was known to be a bootlegger involved with the Italian Mafia in the USA. And Camelot? I still have empathy for Jacqueline Bouvier who, for whatever reasons, married JFK. I have empathy for Eunice as well. She was an incredible woman, not corrupted by her influential family. It's a tragic story...

[@24Wynn]

Joseph Kennedy was in the Irish mafia. He was Irish and not Italian.

[@hanorabrennan9202]

Jackie married for the prestige. Her sister scrounged off her friends for years only to find on her death she had an estimated fortune of 50 million dollars! All bequeathed to her daughter.

[@GrannyLinn]

So very sad.

[@karenrichey9788]

Makes me terribly sad to see her before and after. She was beautiful.

[@caroljo420]

My mother had that happen when she gave birth to me. The nurse wanted her to wait until the doctor arrived, and literally tried to push me back in. I have epilepsy.

[@christinajackson3461]

That is so horrible. It's great we know better now but who in the F thinks you can just stall birth?!?! Geesh. I hope you're doing well.

[@mleafrn]

I was lucky as the nurses tied my mother’s legs together as I was delivering as the doctor was late coming! I’m lucky! I have no problem from it that I know of….

[@cosmicrae]

I'm so sorry. Absolutely terrible healthcare workers who can't do shit on their own

[@chrismcevoy2503]

This just makes me cry.

[@chrismcevoy2503]

It’s so sad that Rosemary Kennedy was her family’s dirty little secret.

[@littleme3597]

Joe, was.....

[@lennardschneider6847]

Joseph K got poetic justice when he had to live like a vegetable himself, losing control over his body. And a second helping when he had to see his crown prince being assassinated out of office.

[@deborahkurek2988]

Rosemary had the most beautiful smile ❤ a very beautiful woman

[@whistleblower1238]

Goes to show, the more things in life that one try's to control, the more things will control you.

[@daisysunshine1324]

As I’m sure others have mentioned, the ‘lobotomy’ was performed by a very controversial ‘dr’. He used a normal ice pick, inserted through the eye socket & literally just wiggled it around to destroy some of the pre frontal cortex. His practice was disgraceful. Poor Rosemary was treated terribly by her family.

[@claudetteplante9381]

How sad,an inhumane treatment that her father would think of doing such a barbaric act towards his own child!

[@heloisepoye8891]

I cannot tell you how terrible it makes one feel if they are constantly being lied to .

[@hanorabrennan9202]

Never trust any government. Their only purpose is to keep us in "sheepish" mode!

[@diannbajewicz8952]

That doctor should have been in jail for malpractice

[@virginiemasai9024]

He probably received a bonus from satanic people to do so

[@simplysing]

So bizarre how we use the terms 'disability' or mental illness'. So subjective...not.scientically based. Most likely Rose Marie was neither. She may have been more simple, less intellectual, less competitive girl. Maybe insecure. With a mother like Rose she likely was emotionally abused and degraded which can cause emotional outbursts. Certainly not abnomal when you consider the context she was living under. Poor girl never had a chance with parents like that. A true crime.

[@barbaradean5242]

Being shipped away all the time and being away from family feeling unwanted and unloved would make a person have outburst ...

[@hollygrayson5592]

You are so correct it is a true crime...should have been brought up on criminal charges...

[@shadowsinmymind9]

She had a lack of oxygen to her brain when she was born. That causes mental disabilities. It's why she could only read or write at a 4th grade level

[@hanorabrennan9202]

Psychology and Psychiatry are still at the Quack stages. Everything fixed with drugs or procedures. Have suffered chronic clinical depression all my life. Am now 73 and only my doctor in Ireland cottoned on. PTSD pre 6 years old has me grinding my teeth to stumps. Children are to be treasured with love.

[@cosmicrae]

She may have had mild retardation through the 2 hr forced non-labor by that cruel nurse. Also, mental health wasn't as advanced then. It's harder than physical health. Plus, her father's cruel treatment. There's so much proof she had a disability, and exacerbated by her parents' cruel treatment. It's not subjective.

[@timefoolery]

The way people treated those with learning disabilities as though they were fixable with one tap on the knife. Poor Rosemary. I pray God rests her easy far far away from Joe.

[@sophiachavez3377]

What makes you think Joe is in heaven?

[@bodge6886]

A victim of narcissistic parenting.

[@5DNRG]

Truth!!!!!

[@littleme3597]

Both of them.

[@TheMick126]

SHAME WHAT HAPPENED TO HER CAUSE OF DEAR OLE DAD'S ASPIRATIONS

[@nyamahdunbar3821]

LORD, have mercy. And these are the people that the society upholds...!

[@deealex1402]

back then if a woman was unique and had her own mind , she was considered a problematic. her father failed her worst way ever. she lived all her life disabeled and never knew true love, they just abandoned her there in the mental hospital. :( no one deserve this kind of treatment, she didnt do anything wrong.

[@candykane4271]

She had nuns that loved and cared for her. She was happy as could be, as they said she improved…because she was treated well.

[@hanorabrennan9202]

The nuns I experienced in Ireland in the 50s and 60s were anything but good and kind.

[@Uapa500]

Strong, capable independent woman scared that joke of a father.

[@susanjoyce-yq2mg]

I read that Rosemary would sneak out of the house. Her father was afraid she was promiscuous. The fear was that by discovery or unwanted pregnancy, she would bring shame on the family. Thus, she was lobotomized.

[@lorrainekelleher6937]

Yes, I remember reading that too. She was by far the most beautiful. Awful parents to do that to a beautiful child.

[@taraalan1131]

She was possibly bipolar ?

[@jessicamontaperto810]

@@taraalan1131most likely she was.

[@lorrainebettencourt8009]

right as her dad screwed everyone

[@pauladouglas9891]

That is what I remember reading also, and makes the most sense. Old Joe treated everybody badly, he even invited his mistress Gloria Swanson to Hyannisport to meet the family. He paid Jackie a million bucks not to get a divorce.

[@pauladouglas9891]

Rose wasn't much of a mother either, when Jack was sick, she never visited him in the hospital and she would jet off to Europe to go shopping at the drop of a hat. Even at Hyannisport, the kids didn't even have their own rooms in the house, they just bunked wherever.

[@goodgirlee01]

I’m sitting here with tears so sad 😭

[@Factinate]

🫂

[@starliite]

The fact that lobotomy was ever something any doctor did is beyond shocking and repugnant. How sickening that she was awake!! and reciting things like the Lord's Prayer. WTF!? People truly are dark and disgusting.

[@ericacole8411]

Right! How was lobotomy legal?

[@patriciaclark54]

He will have to answer to God for what he did to his own daughter Rosemary. That’s such a crying shame what Rosemary had to go through all that because of her dad

[@lindacosta3265]

Joseph Kennedy was later punished by life: his precious sons, after their political success, both were assassinated on the top of their political carrier. Joseph has also lost his intelectual capabilities, by a stroke. This video gave me the reason why the Kennedys have been cursed. God’s Justice is hard to be understood, but it works, sooner or later…😢

[@ncmtngirl2463]

And when he was most helpless, Chappaquiddick happened...

[@chloeuntrau4588]

There is no "curse", why not "bad witches"? lol....just life...booked tragedy and success....as usual.

[@deirdreevangelista856]

The Sins of the father are passed on to the children one way or another. That family payed for their fathers ill -gotten wealth and power with their lives.

[@catherinekeller4230]

God does NOT punish anyone.this is rigid brainwashing religious nonsense.... Karma works it's own punishment it's called " cause and effect"

[@chrismcevoy2503]

Eventually Rosemary could walk again, but did so with a limp.

[@ninaharper6282]

The Kennedys were a terrible family, especially the men.

[@17penobscot]

People with money alway think they know what is best for everyone

[@stacyscott4621]

We certainly see that today

[@brendahenderson683]

Why didn't they seek a match for her. A loving committed relationship with someone who was compassionate and cared deeply for her might have made all the difference.

[@roseannamarotta5864]

Why is it for people who have money think it's ok to do what they do?. Another sad story like this is The Queen of England's cousin.. It's sad to think what money can buy and to make things disappear. I don't think Rosemary's parents could buy their way into heaven. He sold his soul to the devil. As for Rosemary she is now at peace.

[@TheJennaMay]

Because they live by a different code of ethics and are indoctrinated with the dark side which people fail to wake up and see. They proof is everywhere in their symbols, their speeches, their hand gestures. All the world is a stage. Look into freemasonary and who the light barer is.

[@theresemalmberg955]

We know about Rosemary Kennedy because she came from a prominent family. But how many others were like her that we DON'T know about? Sad to say, what she endured was probably not at all uncommon. I look at her and think "there but the grace of God go I". To be a "special ed" student in the 1960's was still considered to be shameful. Any kind of learning disabilities, developmental disabilities, mental/emotional disturbances, and yes, even some physical disabilities meant that you were looked down upon by society. At the same time those of us at the bottom of the social heap were reminded directly and indirectly that we ought to be "grateful" for society for allowing us to exist "in public" rather than being confined to institutions as was common only a decade or so previously. I cannot stress enough that Rosemary's family was not at all unusual in their thinking because people like her WERE a disgrace, something to keep out of sight and out of mind. Since euthanasia wasn't an option, families had to hide the fact that they had a problematic child. Which meant tons and tons of denial. Those of us who could not be "rehabilitated" enough to pass for normal ended up in institutions. Those of us who were more successful in that regard did so at a price. The stigma regarding people like Rosemary was so great that if you wanted to "fit in" you could NEVER, EVER reveal to anyone that you were once a special education student. I know it is hard for people to understand that but that was very, very real. You did not talk about it, you learned to mask, you learned to hide, you learned to cope, to work around, and you did your best to stay away from those with visible disabilities lest others notice the similarities between you and them and start connecting the dots. If this sounds a lot like racial "passing" it is. Now obviously people's experiences differed, but that was the general atmosphere regarding people like her, and it wasn't confined to rich, socially prominent families. It was across the board.

[@patriciahogan4705]

Ambition is an extremely dangerous thing

[@rodgerkieffer6151]

She was the prettiest daughter . Its hits home as my sister was born handicapped mentally .But Rosemary was fine maybe slow but fine .She shouldn't have went through lobotomy at all . I loved this information about Rosemary .Thank you

[@judyevancic4926]

Joe Kennedy was a hateful and controlling man. He got what he wanted from all his kids. Acted like he cared but cared as long as he did what he wanted. Mrs Kennedy was away when this happened to Rosemary. She never found out about it until later. Even then she didn’t visit her until much later. Her sister Eunice Shriver was more involved later after finding her later. It was one of the main reasons she became as the head of Special Olympics today. All her siblings surrounded her when she was brought to spend time with them later. I think he was unbelievable to do this as her mother was pregnant and it became a difficult delivery for Rosemary. It affected her capabilities in learning later and Joe felt it threatened the success of his family future. Rather nasty idea. But mental issues were hidden from public disclosure then.

[@judyevancic4926]

They did what he wanted ( correction)

[@johnfury6481]

Old Man Joe got his in the end with that stroke.

[@donnawolman150]

Ever, mm m Ñ b y

[@deadwalking100]

Kudos to the, script writer, video editor and vo. A powerful story well told. 👍 Fundamentally it all seems to stem back to the nurse forcing Mrs Kennedy to keep her legs closed 😱 ( waiting for a Dr) and therefore the distinct possibility of oxygen deprivation creates a risk of brain injury; causes the gradual death and impairment of brain cells, and even death. So not surprised that she had such challenges, in fact amazing that she survived at all.

[@gregoryhenderson2640]

Probably at the behest of evil Joe.

[@g.strobl4458]

Read the comments further above. It's worse than that.

[@jeynjohnston8085]

I am my family's horrible secret. I identify with Rosemary ❤

[@E-Kat]

Oh, that's so sad to hear, but you're strong and you'll defy them, prove them wrong. Sending you my love. ❤

[@taraalan1131]

You are better than they are.❤❤❤

[@user-xf5br6lv1u]

So sorry

[@sandracrandall4561]

God made no mistake In You being here on planet earth. Rejoice...you ARE a child of the Most High God & I'm glad You are here 🙏🥰

[@hanorabrennan9202]

Lord, don't say that as you could wish it on yourself! Be content that you're here and functioning.

[@booklover2404]

Joseph was a monster and his wife knew it.

[@bettypendleton8043]

Money and greed can do harm . Alot of harm .

[@michellebishop8743]

Rosemary was by far the prettiest of all the Kennedy women and the biggest Kennedy victim

[@banditdog1338]

The Kennedy clan suffered many tragedies perhaps payment for their father's treatment of Rosemary his first born daughter. Karma is a bitch.

[@cinemaparadiso1991]

Does anyone think maybe the lobotomy was to keep Rosemary quiet about maybe some possible unsavory happenings in the home?

[@liztemmen5193]

100 percent!

[@micksumner8901]

My thoughts exactly! Rosemary knew too much and daddy used lobotomy to shush her.

[@Trenchant468]

Or at the convent…

[@ChrisShortyAllen]

No

[@Fannin7]

No.

[@victoriabaldwin4821]

Rosemary looked so healthy and glowing, she looked happy, I wish her family would accept her the way she were. I didn't see anything wrong with her, even though her parents didn't think she was as intelligent as the others in her family.

[@rosemaryrojahn584]

She seemed to thrive in the UK. They made her return home. All so senseless and cruel.

[@TheNester.]

What utterly Horrid parents! Mother Rose is the reason poor Rosemary had those mental problems. The father Joseph was a tyrant that was the scum of the earth and was allegedly involved in bootlegging, swindling, murder, stealing, racism, insider trading, adultery and prostitution. He flaunted numerous affairs and turned his wife Rose into an alcoholic. He wanted to portray a perfect family yet he had practially every character flaw known to man. He had a hit put out on him by the "Purple Gang" in 1927 for stealing shipments of whiskey from Ireland and went crying to gangster Frank Costello. Kennedy now owed Costello big time and when he called in the favor Kennedy refused. Kennedy escaped that hit with Sam Giancana's help. He reportedly had mafia made money ties for decades. The mafia tried to continue their connections with the Kennedy sons but JFK knew that would be detrimental to his political career and refused. Once he became president they were determined to be seen in Kennedy's company even going so far as to "squeeze" a favor out of the Rat Pack gang. Again JFK refused. They became incensed, thinking they're the one's who helped Joseph make his money and they should at least be thanked. Makes you wonder who really was behind JFK's assassination? 🤔 Joseph Sr and Joseph Jr. were both anti-semite and also had an admiration of Hitler an favored the Nazis. One last thing, he was accused of allegedly rigging the 1960 election among others. Gee this sounds SO familiar, Who could possibly be this Evil? 🤔

[@jeromesullivan4015]

In the day, not so very long ago, doctors of wealthy families etc. considered epilepsy to be some kind of mental illness. It runs in my immediate family. The victims were shut away, abused and ignored. In olden times, folks with afflictions similar were thought to be special. They were honored. Well, kids the world has changed, then in ways has gotten worse.

[@KimberlyCunningham-er9gc]

So sad. She was so pretty.

[@SouthSideLadyWright]

Rosemary probably was on the autism spectrum. She was very beautiful

[@amandamccormick5009]

As an autistic I can say,,,it doesn't spontaneously appear. Its hereditary. Her siblings and parents would also show signs of Autism. I do suspect autism runs in Kennedy clan because it definitely runs in Bouvier clan. And autistics do tend to couple. And im quite charming,,, not all autistics are anti social. The reason we avoid social interactions is because nuerotypicals have a lot of stupid social interactions. You hint for favours instead of asking for them. And other time wasting bull. But some of us decide to manipulate people by studying all of your silly needs and providing them. Hence I come across charming. Jfk definitely had forethought in his charm. You do realise autistics aren't inferior to you. We aren't simple.

[@leeyaferguson9019]

I agree. I retired of special needs school. This kiddos are special!!

[@thisperson5294]

​@@leeyaferguson9019no we are not special. We are your equals.

[@Madronaxyz]

​​​​​@@amandamccormick5009 As a medical doctor who studied pediatrics, psychiatry and child psychiatry, and who also has autism, I can say that autism can be caused by non-genetic problems during fetal development. There is no autism in my family, but my mother had a urinary tract infection about Midway through her pregnancy. This is associated with the development of hydrocephalus in the fetus. Hydrocephalus is associated with autism. What women were still legally second-class citizens in the United States, when were blamed for everything. A theory of autism was developed that said autistic children were that way because they had "refrigerator mothers." That is to say, emotionally cold and uncaring mothers caused autism. Internet research internet research internet research showed internet research showed that it internet research showed that it internet research showed that it was internet research showed that it was very strongly influenced by genetic factors. The genetic factors were emphasized in order to convince people to stop blaming mothers so strongly. But in half a century of research since we stop blaming mothers and started emphasizing the genetic factors, research has shown that there are other factors involved. Also, since Rosemary was not physically related to the Bouvier clan, the presence of autism in the Bouvier clan would have absolutely no influence on the presence of autism in the Kennedy clan.j

[@mishw1789]

​@@amandamccormick5009 no where did the op suggest that those of us on the spectrum were inferior. Yet you went on to insult neurotypicals while extolling how charming you are.

[@ellalord9705]

So sad, power brings greed, look at the whole picture , so sad

[@chrismcevoy2503]

That stupid obstetrical nurse just should’ve delivered Rosemary without the doctor present.

[@24Wynn]

She probably didn't know how to deliver a baby. She was only a nurse at that time.

[@cherylkygirl7181]

That has happened MANY times & Dr signs off on it. Nurses have "caught" babies because Dr wasn't there.

[@christinajackson3461]

​@24Wynn it's not that complex. I think women have been giving birth for a long time now. It was a dumb move.

[@darlenekorson3716]

I saw in other post that the story was created later to strengthen the lie.

[@hanorabrennan9202]

At which point her employment would be terminated. Times and modes were different.

[@mollyv8b705]

Thank you so much for putting together this video. It was truly tragic what this beautiful woman went through 😢

[@christinakelly9599]

Nicely done. Thank you.

[@margaretvanson3601]

My mother was made to delay the birth of her fourth child so the Dr could have his breakfast. The midwife kept my brother in the birth canal by pushing him back. Mum knew as soon as she held him that something was wrong and asked for a priest to baptise him. He died three days later. This was in new zealand in 1954.

[@shadowsinmymind9]

To have his breakfast?! How ridiculous! Your poor brother and mom

[@EasyEnglishPROF]

This is so sad. Thank you for sharing. 😔🤗

[@ericacole8411]

That is tragic. I'm so sorry.

[@user-ls5se3po8w]

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