Peter Jackson REMOVED the Uruk-hai’s Most Important Scene

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[@lacdirk]

I honestly hated all three movies. Too many changes that make no sense, or too much just left out.

[@gagebinette7186]

@@lacdirknf man

[@apollomars1678]

you missed the part, where a lot of the northern group returned to the mountains, because of the exhaustion and the sun, while the uruk-hais were not effected and run further, thereby leaving a lot of these orcs behind. This happens in the film of screen in the cut of these 2 rests of the orc-host. Additional the movie is in that sense canonical, that in both cases boromir was not killed at the capture of the hobbits, but no longer able to react to the capture by arrows. Some areas of the scene are closer to the books including the lack to show the uncertainty of his death as hopeful thinking, because they didn't saw him get killed, but he was surrounded by Orcs. Pippin is not a fool, he is wishing unrealistic things, because he has such a mindset. Additional a lot of this chapter brings up contradictions, like the large amount of humans in Saruman's army, while the orcs apparently eat human meat.This was not shown in the movie. In the book this was possible to explain with the simple reality, that orcs, goblins and similar creatures from melkhor and etc. etc. are not really a society or race, but simply ONLY a perversion of life. In this narrative the cannibalistic tendency of orcs is just a critic to modern dehumanized, because denaturalized, humans. modern socieity is eating itself. We see a similar warping of natural order of live in the shire by Saruman later with rules, quotes and oppression and the example of the idiot hobbit in the "new" mill embracing these changes is a critic about such a mindset, that corrupts common existence and calls it outdated to erase it. Evil doesn't creates, it corrupts. Orcs are not created and Saruman didn't created the Uruk-Hai, he perverted existent beings to make Uruks "better". In the same sense Orcs in general were the attempt of an evil god-like being to pervert existent being to make them his own creation and FAILING. Orcs failed to be created and became twisted evil beings. This is one of the major themes of the whole book.

[@richardwales9674]

@@apollomars1678 Are you sure about the Northerners returning to the Misty Mountains? My recollection is that they tried to break away but were forced back to the main body.

[@apollomars1678]

@@richardwales9674 i have sadly only the german version, because i am german, but after the paragraph about the orc-drink you got a paragraph about northern orks wanting to break free and getting force dinto ranks. (you talk about this stuff i presume) After this paragraph there is a discussion about heading east or south and Uklúk is complaining, that it is again an issue to be resolved by the Uruk-hai, because they would fear the Rohirim, so Ukluk is even encouraging them mockingly to run, run to the woods, that would be their best chances etc. etc. So most of the northern orcs turned around , over 100 men, and run along the river as fast as possible into the direction of the mountains. Grischnach used this departure to reappear with his 40 men and in the following fleeing from the Rohirim the Uruks and Uruk-hai were able to overtake the northern orks, because the Rohirim gathered the orcs together to kill them in one battle and by the weakness of northern ork knees under the sun it has no consequences, that they broke from the main host of orcs. So the departure happens later and without consequences, because Ukluk group had to run for the forest => mountains in fear of the Rohirim too.

[@Sean-pu4zg]

Everyone wanted these movies to be 20 hours long

[@marieroberts5664]

And everyone wanted the books to be longer too!

[@viewwithice4500]

I wouldn't mind

[@christianhohenstein1422]

There are probably 20 hours "The are taking the hobbits to Isengard" mixes around here

[@davidstocker2278]

I did!

[@Vaquix000]

No they do not. The movies were already too long. All those hours and the final battle is against gollum. Very anticlimatic and didn't leave an impact on me. Then again it's an old book and maybe the concept of decent climaxes didn't exist back then.

[@barefootkiwi3079]

The wide angle of the Uruk-Hai running through the canyons was filmed in the South Island. When they recorded the dialogue, they re-created the canyon in studio in Wellington. I was one of the Uruk-Hai for the studio shot and the detail on the canyon walls was incredible. On the back of them, you have all the supports and scaffolding, but in the fake canyon, it's like you really were in the actual canyon. Absolutely incredible detail.

[@evanburrows1697]

I'm always pleasantly surprised how many of the extras/workers from the movies pop up in the comments of these LOTR channels/videos. On one video I watched, the guy who was Viggo's body double for Aragorn participated and told stories about the production!

[@ConradoHdz38328]

So cool bro.

[@still.not.bitten5391]

@@evanburrows1697 Can you remember which video it was?

[@Billy_the_Greek]

You guys were awesome!

[@thedrunkenspeartabletopgameing]

Wow !! That must have been awesome to be involved in the films!

[@davidkulmaczewski4911]

I don't think Merry was faking being hurt in the movie. I think he *was* hurt, but was trying to spare Pippin the worry. "Nah, I'm faking... see, I even fooled you" was just Merry being lighthearted about his situation. Pippin clearly saw through this and sincerely called for help from the Uruks. He was not participating in a deception.

[@Grivian]

Also he got some medicin

[@hannahcleopatrak9macandrew778]

In the book, Merry got knocked out when he fought the orcs, leaving him wounded; but they gave him some medicine that FIXED it but left him scarred. The orc-liquor also make them feel better. The orcs also fed the hobbits some bread and meat. Also they did NOT want to eat the hobbits, and they NEVER ate each other. This was a scene of the harsh conditions that the orcs lived with, and wasn't well-shown by the film.

[@WardenWolf]

@@hannahcleopatrak9macandrew778 Basically, they were a lot more civilized in the books.

[@RadicalCaveman]

@@hannahcleopatrak9macandrew778 Orc medicine: good for healing, not so good for cosmetics.

[@nathanrobson5734]

@@Grivianhe can’t take his grog!

[@keto8354]

Ugluk, got more personality than some of the cast from Rings of Power.

[@Orc_Kisses]

Absolutely. 😆💯 Tho I'm not sure if it is a compliment or not because I genuinely like Uglúk a lot.

[@keto8354]

@@Orc_Kisses definitely a compliment, they almost got a 3-5 minute screen time in LOTR Two Towers which made it more special and impressive.

[@Orc_Kisses]

@@keto8354 Oh yes that's absolutely true. Knowing how he and appeared in the book, the conversations etc. I'm just only sad that we didn't get more, because heck, even their appearance, voices and the acting is outstanding, so seeing more of the Uruk boys like this would have been candy for my eyes and eyes. Yes, a weird candy, but a candy nevertheless, haha.

[@henrykfu]

Ugluk is more pleasing to watch than Rings of Prime Galadriel

[@ppvk2610]

Almost the complete casting is an abomination... Elrond is the likely the worst Yet all in line with Amazon 😉 Sauron is perhaps the best cast, as is his story-arc

[@buddha4242]

Props to Pip. One of the saddest parts about cutting the Scouring of The Shire is that we don't see the glory of Merry and Pippin as bad ass leaders and stout hearted fighters. The Hobbits truly "grow up" and aren't just anecdotes, oddities, or ancillary. By the end, they are to be counted among all free folk, by all.

[@tommerker8063]

the problem with the scouring of the shire for a movie is that you already beat the big bad. the movie is already 4 hours long and adding an entire 4th act, after the big world ending thread is already eliminated, just makes no sense.

[@modenadue7690]

That all depends on how we perceive the world, @@tommerker8063 , and how soldiers who fought in World War I felt coming home, only to realise that the society they had left behind had changed. The same could eventually be said for all war veterans pretty much. Tolkien caught trench fever while on active service, but didn't see the same kind of action at the Somme, where he lost some of his friends. There's quite some symbolism with regards to how he feels about "industry" and the harm it does to "nature" (Hobbits liking nothing more complicated than a windmill or watermill, and the destruction of the land that he saw in Flanders is reflected in Isengard, Mordor and so on. The Scouring of The Shire had its rightful place as such, but was deemed as too time-consuming unfortunately.

[@slools5003]

"no my friends, you bow to no one"

[@SizzleCorndog]

Don’t forget that they all actually grow up by becoming taller than everyone else in the shire

[@modenadue7690]

Them bloody Ents! @@SizzleCorndog

[@Mathemagical55]

The Uruk smelling man-flesh was movie only although Ugluk did talk about the 'cursed horse-boys' getting wind of them. Peter Jackson implies it was Aragorn but this is impossible as the three companions were nearly a day behind. It would make more sense to smell the Rohirrim pursuing them rather than one Ranger.

[@jankubicek9109]

I think Jackson tried to imply hobbits thought that uruks can smell Aragorn but they actually smelled Rohirrim instead.

[@ScientificChicken-nb9cq]

Plus if it were Aragorn they smelled, wouldn't they also have mentioned smelling an Elf and Dwarf 🤷 it's unlogical to make them focus on just one of the three smells, where all three smells would've been as strong and mixed together on the way to the uruks.

[@grondhero]

@@ScientificChicken-nb9cq Well, if it were Legolas, they probably would have said, "I smell man-flesh and dainty flowers like a lilac in spring." 😆

[@Keevanus]

i think its really cool that the uruks mentioned boromir as a great warrior, so that means they kind of really respect him.

[@luisrods]

Cool and reasonable. In the books, it appears Boromir killed at least 20 Uruks himself, while being surrounded, trying to protect the hobbits, imagine how many more he would have slain if he hadn't been killed by the arrows. If I were a Uruk, I would also called him a great warrior.

[@Keevanus]

@@luisrods ofc ik, i never thought something else, i just want to point out that it was really great from tolkien to actually write it down from thier perspective

[@reverendpaterson1026]

@@luisrods He could have taken on Sauron on his own

[@hannahcleopatrak9macandrew778]

That was Ugluk, who was very honorable and loyal for an orc; but he was also BOASTING about killing Boromir... after all, Denethor said that Bormir could have killed ALL the orcs, and he only died by trying to save the hobbits to redeem himself for betraying Frodo. Meanwhile while Grishak was a traitor to Sauron, and tried to steal the Ring-- which the movie didn't even get, since Merry and Pippin were able to trick him into helping them escape.

[@christofferjenzen78]

Yeah. Not only a great warrior but THE great warrior so definitively some redpect there. And they say Uruk-hai can't be humble.

[@mevb]

The orc draught was a mixture of peach ice tea, glycerine and sodastream cola concentrate. According to Dominic Monaghan, who plays Merry, he said it "couldn't get anymore sticky, like the liquid glue". The first take Merry's vomit was acting but the second take it was Dom actually throwing up as he remembered how disgusting the "orc draught" was from the take before. Peter Jackson told the Uruk actors to just keep pour more into him and make sure he projects a vomit in front of the camera.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Ewwww

[@VXGaming]

That's rather evil.

[@Contraltissimo]

Pain is temporary, film is forever. Thanks for the puke, Dom! XP

[@themooseherder7280]

@@VXGaming depends how dedicated you are to your craft

[@brettjohnson536]

@@ContraltissimoBut there are plenty of ways to get the visual effect of vomitting without actually making the actors sick. Luckily that probably wouldn't fly with union rules nowadays

[@davids9324]

I'm still amazed by how the good the orcs and uruk-hais look in these movies!

[@factorfantasyweekly]

I know right! WETA is unbeatable in these movies.

[@saberhamlinconmaverickknud4821]

Yeah, they only look good when your guy’s attention spans/iq’s are horrible. And they look, act, and sound like brutes. They even have generic Cockney accents, which Tolkien never said that they did in his letters, either. Also psychological horror filmmakers, like Tony Kaye, or John Carpenter, should adapt the films, and make the Orcs look like ‘The X-Files’ demons, and obscure them, just like in the show, and make them wear prehistoric chainmail armor.

[@davids9324]

@@saberhamlinconmaverickknud4821 I'm curious, what accent do you imagine orcs having?

[@MrChickennugget360]

@@saberhamlinconmaverickknud4821 orcs in the books have Cockney accents. period. Technically none of the words in the books are correct due everyone using different languages and even names. And they look fine. There is nothing wrong with the look of the orcs in the movies they do not need to look like "X-files" demons." Lord of the Rings is not "psychological horror"

[@Fgway]

​@@davids9324 interesting question as they'd be degenerate in a way. They'd speak a common language with a learned accent but the way back "original" should resemble north eastern Europe. We'd recognize it as Ural or even russian.

[@stephenwood6663]

Grishnakh got done dirty. In the book, it's pretty heavily implied that he's a lot more important than he's letting on (enough so that he gets an airlift across the Anduin by Nazgul!), and he seems to be the only Orc in any of the three groups who fully understands *why* their masters want to capture the Hobbits. From a broader storytelling perspective, Grishnakh's presence is a reminder that the eye of Sauron is still upon the Fellowship. ...and in the movie, he's just a thug who wants to 'drill maggot-holes in yer belly'.

[@MrChickennugget360]

of course Grishnakh in the PJ movies is NOT from Mordor he is from Isengaurd. None of the Orcs in TTT who were in Rohan came from anywhere else. I just like to think that Grishnakh in the books looked and sounded like the one in the movie (but was ALOT smarter and very very well informed- which makes him far more scary i think)

[@keithtorgersen9664]

He is a lot more perceptive than most of the Orcs but obviously still a fool since he doesn’t know that the ring would betray him and get him killed

[@stephenwood6663]

@@keithtorgersen9664 It strikes me that it's possible for a clever person to have less than perfect knowledge about about specific very arcane artefacts. If not knowing the ring will betray you makes you a fool, that makes the overwhelming majority of Middle Earth's population fools.

[@keithtorgersen9664]

@secondchance6603, yes the first chapter took place over a span of 17 years, but once Frodo set out from Hobbiton it was only a 6 month journey and 3 of those months were resting at Rivendell and Lothlorien

[@murrayisarobot]

​@@MrChickennugget360I'm not sure about that. I'm pretty certain I recall a line from Ugluk in TTT, can't remember whether it was only in the extended editions or not, where he says he's not "taking orders from Morgul rats".

[@meta1587]

I just finished this chapter. I love how the orcs and uruks are portrayed not as mindless brutes but far more human: controlled by fear and a dreadful understanding that orders are orders and there is nothing they can do. They are the embodiment of the hopeless military dreg

[@TF2CrunchyFrog]

"controlled by fear", "hopeless military dreg" No? They are very clearly relishing the chance for slaughter and plunder.

[@hannahcleopatrak9macandrew778]

Well they used to be Elves; so they can't be good, just like Elves can't choose to be evil, but can only be corrupted. Only humans have that choice, because of their mortality; this was the story's main point, which was utterly ruined in the film's misanthropic myopathy.

[@ThePariahDark]

Fun fact, the "Orc Drink" is actually an evil version of Miruvor. While it hurts to drink (to Free Peoples at least) and takes some of your overall 'essence' away, it does strengthen you and gives you the energy to go on.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Interesting!

[@BluffyMoo]

So it's Isengard's version of Red Bull? Tolkien was way ahead of his time.

[@ThePariahDark]

@@BluffyMoo In fact, he was. Cause the Dunedain also have a version of it. Yes, the Rangers had their own magic Red Bull.

[@SvengelskaBlondie]

@@ThePariahDark Would be funny if Saruman saw Red Bull as beneath him, only the finest of Monster Energy drink is good enough for him (and his closest mannish underlings).

[@markkettlewell7441]

I was under the impression that it is an opiate concoction.

[@adamh.4933]

"can't take his draught! Ha ha!" Such a sick line

[@hannahcleopatrak9macandrew778]

Also misinterpreted. In the book, Ugluk gives Merry some painful ointment that cures his wound, apparently it's iodine or some other orc-medicine, but the other orcs are amused because it's the same medicine they get. Meanwhile the orc-drink gives the hobbits strength and endurance; it's not for wounds and it doesn't make them sick. It's essentially amphetamines, like was giving to soldiers in WWI.

[@3lancerofficialmaybe871]

I wished they made it clearer in the films that the Orcs were with Sauron and not Saruman, even if they only left that in the extended edition.

[@MrChickennugget360]

the movies completely removed that subplot. These Orcs are from Isengard. In the PJ movies orcs from Mordor play no role in this sequence.

[@Dryan91]

​@@MrChickennugget360 don't know what movie you're watching.

[@jankubicek9109]

It was not that hard to understand. When Saruman went burning trees, Sauron sent him orcs to do it. But Saruman made better orcs by another cross-breeding - Uruks while Sauron orcs still helped him but were still loyal to Sauron instead. There is also scene where Lurtz murders the orc, a scene when orcs arrive to Isengard. I was a kid when I first saw it and I didn't remember all the stuff from the book but that distinction between orcs, uruks and moria orcs (goblins) was made very clear not only by visual aspects but also scenes. Visual artists and of course Peter Jackson did a superb job.

[@TF2CrunchyFrog]

@@MrChickennugget360 Huh? I just watched the Extended Edition last weekend, distinctly remember an Uruk-Hai complaining that he wouldn't take lip from a "Mordor orc" and killing him.

[@hannahcleopatrak9macandrew778]

The movie did not follow the book very well; for example, SARUMAN was supposed to be the story's main villain, not Sauron, who was just a criminal that Saruman was charged with defeating; but Saruman became obsessed with the Ring, and so wanted it for himself-- and so he betrayed Gandalf and all the rest, in order to join with Sauron to try to get the Ring. In the movie, he just wants Sauron to have the Ring, since nobody ELSE can USE it in the film!

[@SolusBatty]

Haha, it's a joy to follow along with your videos, I've only found your channel this week. I've been reading the Trilogy and just started Book Six, but back when I was reading this part I told my friend who loves the movies, but hasn't ready the book how dirty they did Pippin in. He really saved both him and Merry with his actions.

[@djlarrybird235]

We were so worried about building an army worthy of Mordor, that we didn't think if we SHOULD be building an army worthy of Mordor... 💍👁

[@mrladoucier1534]

Were you there??

[@hannahcleopatrak9macandrew778]

Actually Saruman was building an army for HIMSELF, since he wanted the RING for himself. Saruman, not Saruman, was the story's chief villain; since he was Sauron's official PROSECUTOR from the start, and only betrayed his duty in order to seek POWER by claiming the Ring. That's why Saruman survives until the end, spite-trashes the Shire, and dies by his own treachery; even after everyone else shows him forgiveness and mercy. That's why the movie breaks down; since the villain is never really shown, and DIES quite early.

[@jmansfield8554]

But at least Peter Jackson added a bunch of useful stuff that Tolkien wasn’t smart enough to include himself like a cute elf girl and tossing Gimli👍🏼. This helped the audience understand Durin’s Folk don’t take themselves any more seriously than the director does his source material and both get tossed aside like garbage whenever they become inconvenient. Rocknroll!!!

[@Jerry-Greenly]

It’s interesting to me that you interpreted the scene between the orcs and uruks in the movie as two groups under Saruman’s orders fighting for credit. I don’t know if this was born out of having read the books, but I always assumed that when Grishnahk said “Our master,” he was referring to Sauron. In other words, I always assumed the uruks were Saruman’s and the orcs were Sauron’s.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

I think it can easily seen both ways. Growing up I saw the movies before I read the books. And since Saruman was the only bad guy really shown in depth in the first film, my young mind assumed the orcs were his. Especially since with the way Jackson portrays it, the orcs kind of inspected and managed the Uruk hai on Saruman’s behalf. In all the Saruman scenes, the orcs are the supervisors and the Uruk hai are the brutes. Of course as I grew up and read the books I understood Jackson was portraying Sauron‘s orcs.

[@Jerry-Greenly]

@@factorfantasyweekly to be fair, I watched the movies before I read the books; but I was too young to make that connection. I didn’t *really* fall in love with the movies until I was around fifteen/sixteen. (I first watched the movies when I was thirteen or so.) By that time, I had already read the books.

[@M200Sniping]

@@factorfantasyweekly Yeah and the fact that when Sam and Frodo escape the spider there are a mix of orcs and uruk hai together far away from Saruman...I thought growing up Saruman was controlling both on behalf on Suuron

[@Itoyokofan]

Well, we know that uruks were bred in Izengard, but other orks might've been lent to Saruman by Sauron to command. So it's like royal troops that are put under the feudal lord command bickering with the said feodal lord's militia.

[@MrChickennugget360]

@@waki310 that is not true, however. It is true that there are many orc "breeds" Saurman did not "merge" orcs by magic, they were "bred" as in sexually, by breeding humans and orcs. before the return of Sauron at the end of the Third Age orcs would have developed into different independent tribes and likely adapted to differing conditions. It seems like the northern breeds who lived in the Misty Mountains and Grey hills were smaller and could see better in the dark. Many "older" strains of orc breeds could not stand the sun light due to being originally bred before the beginning of the first age, possibly from Elves captured, and forcefully bred with evil Mair, however this is unknown. What is known was that orcs were being cross bred with men at different points in history and that Saurman was creating "half orcs" and "goblin men" (with the half orcs being more orcish in nature, and the "Goblin men" being more like men with orcish traits) Newer breeds of orcs could withstand the sunlight and were taller then other orcs.

[@sha_663]

I took merrys drinking as really being in bad shape but saying it was a ruse to calm pippin

[@joss3572]

Brilliant video, thank you, chapter 3 'the uruk hai' is my favourite chapter in fantasy, its so unique and fascinating, like you say the politics between the three groups, seeing the interaction between the orcs and uruks, its all just so different to anything i've read before, i think you've summarised much of it very well, I hope you mention the absolute meta of meta next video regarding Merrys comment about Pippin getting a whole chapter in Old Bilbo's book :)

[@jameswulfgang154]

These videos are the highlight of my Saturday morning :)

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Glad you’re enjoying them! Thanks for the support. 🙏🏼

[@JosephHeinecke-t5x]

Books are so freaking amazing and just so much more complete in how everything unfolds and takes place

[@bruderk4257]

All this is why i urge people to read the books. I have taken an example in Sir Christopher Lee and do read The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings once a year. I love it.

[@BrettWMcCoy]

Grishnakh in the books is the closest we get to see of a clever Orc. Wish we could have seen more of his character in the movie, although in the Bakshi version a bit more of his character was portrayed correctly

[@Hordalending]

One of the dirty sales tricks of Amazon with their recent HILARIOUS TV-series, was to "make the orcs dangerous again" - as though Jackson's adaptation had made the orcs laughable.

[@BrettWMcCoy]

@@Hordalending Yeah I am avoiding that show. It's just expensively produced fanfic.

[@Lurker_Above]

@@BrettWMcCoy It's not cannon and does not exist in my mind much like most any other draught vomited up by Bozos & company.

[@Toxoplasma13]

They're a very clever people overall- not at all good, and a pack of dire philistines and vandals, but very, very clever.

[@Lurker_Above]

Google deleted my comment because I hurt Jeff Bezos feelings.

[@Jessepigman69]

Love these videos, my man. In depth and engaging

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Glad you’re enjoying them! 🫡

[@Jessepigman69]

@@factorfantasyweekly i really am, 10/10 content

[@bobsteave1236]

Bro Peter Jackson did such an amazing job with all the limits imposed on the entire project . It was going to be a single movie for years.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Agreed, it’s my favorite movie series!

[@Mathemagical55]

Well ... yes ...but no. PJ was trying to get a Hollywood studio to fund LotR for years and some were only interested in committing to one or two movies rather than the trilogy. However when he persuaded New Line they were sold on three movies from the start without any arguments. I have a memory of PJ explaining this personally so it's probably somewhere on the DVD extras.

[@hannahcleopatrak9macandrew778]

Too bad he got it totally wrong from the start. We don't even find out why Gandalf can't use the Ring; the film tells, but never shows-- when Tolkien expressly writes that Gandalf would have become worse than Sauron. Then Aragorn says nobody but Sauron can wield the Ring, and it's just confusing. I don't think Jackson even knew these facts.

[@tubeorip]

@@hannahcleopatrak9macandrew778 lol

[@keyser_söze23]

​@hannahcleopatrak9macandrew778 Ahh yes, let's disregard the entire trilogy because of one small part. If Galadriel can't use the ring, why would Gandalf be able to? Since he's a lesser Maia

[@cerboris521]

This part of the books are my favourite for a very specific reason. When you read about Frodo and Sam, the writing is constructed to be slow and harder to read, representing their difficulty and slow pace. Contrarily, the chase is written so it is easy and fast to read representing the speed and excitement of the pursuit. Such an amazing mastery of writing.

[@alia70d]

Another thing I miss in the movie is seeing Aragon's tracking skills as he correctly explains what happens to the Hobbits from the foot prints

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Very true. And we’ll get to that next week. 👀

[@tyree9055]

There's only one problem with their depiction. Tracking isn't that precise once you factor in two factions having a battle at a campsite. All of the horse prints, orc prints, uruk hai prints, AND he figures out everything said in the movie? No. Once away from the battle, he would've picked up on the fleeing hobbit prints, but not in the middle of the Rhohirrim cleaned up aftermath... 🤷

[@irena4545]

@@tyree9055 Yeah, Aragorn's "tracking" in the movies was utterly ridiculous, I facepalmed so hard that my head almost hurt. And I don't understand why they did that!

[@tyree9055]

@@irena4545 Probably ignorance... 😂🤷‍♂️

[@robmitchell6637]

@@irena4545 he has +4 tracking boots. they just dont mention it in the movie

[@jefffisher1297]

So Uruk-hai are Lawful Evil and Orcs are Chaotic Evil, perfect examples...

[@raimat66]

I actually completely agree with you. I also miss this deep dive into orcish social behavior, and - of course - Pippin's heroism and development. But I think Peter Jackson usually has a tremendously professional sense of when to rationalize scenes and when to develop them, all for the medium of film. Here I think he does exactly the right thing, except that I would have liked to have seen riders of Rohan pursue the orcs, instead of the surprise attack. But there are small details that I can buy. Thanks again for a very good analysis!

[@InternetMameluq]

0:40: They're taking the hobbits to Isengarde!

[@ronburgundyspetfish]

Is that an OSW reference? Can of coke to you sir

[@stephenwooten8661]

I've always thought the chapters where Pippin and Merry are captives of the orcs to be one of the most interesting parts of the story. Peter Jackson has made them goof balls instead of the true friends they were. In the movie they have no real motivation to go on this journey, they were out stealing vegetables for some odd reason.

[@charlespirate1]

Agreed. Jackson knew cinema audience have little patience. He dumbed everything down massively

[@saberhamlinconmaverickknud4821]

And them lighting the firework. I still don’t get why that scene is way less mentioned than them stealing the crops. And if Pippin was 11, and tried to light the firework while Merry stopped him, it makes a lot more since.

[@rashidadams8327]

This chapter was my favourite of the whole book! I loved hearing the Uruk and Orcs’ conversations! Beautiful!

[@99allthetime]

You can hear the real life version just by listening to a Moroccan and an Arabian argue in the street.

[@rashidadams8327]

@@99allthetime voetsek you racist vark.

[@99allthetime]

@@rashidadams8327 "Looks like meats back on the menu boys!"- Haitians in Springfield OH

[@rashidadams8327]

@@99allthetime clown 🤡

[@rashidadams8327]

@@99allthetime jy is ‘n vark!

[@keithtorgersen9664]

We also get to see more of orc culture in the final chapter of The Two Towers "The Choices of Samwise", but regrettably it too is largely condensed in the the third film, and we miss out on valuable insight.

[@andykaufman7620]

Wasn't it in the animated movie version. One thing is most assuredly known. Where there is a Whip there is a Way.

[@ColinoDeani]

"Im Starvin.... We aint had nuffin but Maggoty Bread for Threeee Stinkinn Daaaysssss!!!!" 😤😤😤

[@EridanuS86]

😅

[@ColinoDeani]

@@EridanuS86 lmaoo he was Pissed tf off!😂 😂😂

[@EridanuS86]

"What about their legs? They don't need those!" 😄

[@refugeehugsforfree4151]

The medicine leaving a stain forever but healing him at the same time is peak Tolkien.

[@Don_Juan89]

The Uruk Hai Chapter is one of my favorite chapters of the lord of the rings. So interesting to see the enemys grunts perspective on things

[@jenniedarling3710]

Pippin was done dirty by Peater Jackson.

[@ernestogastelum9123]

he was redeemed later on

[@SurnaturalM]

​@ernestogastelum9123 This, and I think he also adds much needed levity without being a character we have to take seriously.

[@SurnaturalM]

​@@ernestogastelum9123This. I think he's adding much needed levity, while being a character that we need to take seriously.

[@supercrownjosie7732]

having all these changes and cuts laid out like this really reinforces just how brilliantly scripted these movies are. even though we still lose a lot of the book, they manage to pack things in so economically that even book readers like myself forget how many differences there actually are.

[@RyllenKriel]

In the books, the three different factions of Orcs also have a dance-off to determine the fate of the Hobbits. The scene was cut because the Misty Mountains leader was played by Raygun and her break dance routine was so bad the film was destroyed.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Really unfortunate they cut it…

[@grondhero]

🤣

[@toddbonny3708]

[i] leader was played by Raygun and her break dance routine was so bad the film was destroyed.[/i] Wait, what?!

[@fionnaitsradag5152]

LOL!

[@ericjaenike3937]

Great series, love your work!

[@factorfantasyweekly]

🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@tornadomuchacho]

I remember watching The Two Towers in the theater, and being disappointed this section of the story wasn’t adapted. Nice video

[@LizzyLongshot]

One of my favorite portions from the book is the shattered fellowship trying to save Merry&Pippin as it shows the true bond they had made and nature of the good side versus evil. Any member of the fellowship would gladly give their life to ensure the safety of the others... even Boromir in the end😔 I gotta say... I LOVE LOVE LOVE this series and subscribed.t Thank you so much for doing these.

[@paulshri8609]

Weta Workshop statue of a Uruk in full stride sits proudly on my shelf...have an Easterling and Goblin Archer, but the Uruk is favourite

[@duke_revna6404]

Good that we have the extended versions. Only one worth watching!

[@bronzremix]

It's amazing how great the cinematic cut version is for all, but the extended version is near perfection in doing the books justice. I don't think we'll ever hit this level of cinematic perfection ever again.

[@SeminoleSpaceForce]

Is that widely available?

[@bronzremix]

@@SeminoleSpaceForce yes, I think it's on prime and if you know how to torrent, you're set.

[@mrsamtheman80]

I am really enjoying this series; thank you!

[@factorfantasyweekly]

You’re the best 💪🏼 Thanks for watching and supporting!

[@gowensbach2998]

Oh man...I love this video you made. Weirdly, I am currently playing Third Age Total war, as the Harad. I am not playing them as an evil faction, and it is interesting to see how the AI reacts to such unscripted gameplay...but this behind the scenes information from your video is so enlightening! The game has done some weird stuff too..like the Dwarves declaring war on the high elves..etc. thanks again

[@bigvito4630]

Great comments, it's good to go back n forth book vs movie

[@Zzues]

Great video, I learned a lot, or recalled what I have forgotten from the books. I like the changes Jackson made for the movies, it helped with pacing and added drama between Gandalf and Pipin, in my opinion.

[@Gandalf914]

@factorfantasyweekly: your weekly LOTR comparison episodes are one of the highlights of my week. Your FOTR series was exceptional as it is already my favorite volume of the three. Only change I would request is maybe slowing your pace? I know you have a TON to cover, but I think your videos would be even greater if you slowed down your narration for each video. Great work! 👍

[@TheBatonPiotr]

Couldn't agree more. The content is fabulous but it's sometimes too quick to grasp.

[@ianflanders5096]

I always thought Grishnak and Snaga were Moria orcs.

[@MandoJetii]

I feel that the series should have been broken into six movies. This would negate the need to cut out as much content for runtime, but it also is consistent with the novel. While The Lord of the Rings was released as three volumes, Tolkien intended it to be read as a single volume, and actually broke it into six parts (which Tolkien calls "books"), with books 1 & 2 being compiled into The Fellowship of the Ring, books 3 & 4 being compiled into The Two Towers, and books 5 & 6 being compiled into Return of the King. If Jackson had adapted each book into its own movie instead of adapting each volume, we could have had a lot more of the cut content, since there would have been more potential runtime to work with. While a lot of stuff is cut from Two Towers, the most significant content omitted from the movies was from books 1 & 6, as those books contain more of the "boring" stuff that doesn't pertain the "meat" of the story. I personally would have liked to have seen live action versions of Tom Bombadil and Saruman's invasion of the Shire. The scene talked about in this video is probably one of the most significant parts cut/abridged from Two Towers, or at least it's one of the scenes that stands out in my mind, alongside the ent moot.

[@jjlebrams4421]

They could have cut the Hobbit down to 1 movie and added more to the LOTR, then they both would have been better.

[@brinta2868]

Book IV would make a terrible movie.

[@PeriodDrama]

I’m glad they don’t have the scouring of the shire in the movie. I always thought it felt weird and tacked on in the book to begin with.

[@artnull13]

Where was the bit where the orc laments having to go to war and he’d rather be home with his wife 😂

[@DontrplytoMycomments]

I'm jumping into this channel n series right now but if it's what I think it is then u got a new follower

[@Kappowski]

I dont have a problem with the original movies cutting scenes. With that said, I bought the extended version to get the whole story and it seems I didnt get that. Maybe they will come out with the ultra extended version.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

The ultra extended version will be about 500 hours 😂

[@vojtechhoracek7704]

@@factorfantasyweekly Yesssss🤩

[@SeminoleSpaceForce]

​@@factorfantasyweeklywith the advancements in AI we will perhaps get the entire book trilogy true to form in the very near future.

[@salazar1104]

7:23 They are taking the hobbits to Isengard! ♫♫♫♫

[@Kryptnyt]

Pippin came close to madness trying to find orc draught back in the Shire but they just couldn't get the spices right

[@Kaiserslautern90]

THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD

[@summer7603]

The extended edition pretty much solidified any changes needed the adaptation had. The theatrical release was as good as it could get while maintaining the long run time to keep the story intact. I remember watching this movie on release and my legs were wobbly just walking out the theater after sitting for the entire thing no breaks.

[@jesperFrost]

I went to the cinema on the premiere to see all three film, I now own the extended version on dvd. Not a year goes by with out me watching it at least once. When I see the original films I feel like they almost doesn’t have a red thread through them.

[@hannahcleopatrak9macandrew778]

Uruk-hai ARE orcs; just a larger breed developed by Sauron, and even more by Saruman. They were NOT created by Saruman or grown in mudpits; however the actual story was much worse, since the females were kept as slaves and prisoners, and also Saruman captured women of Rohan to breed half-orcs who looked like Mongols.

[@Orc_Kisses]

I'd take that job ngl. Not a fan of Saruman but the only thing I appreciate in him is the Uruk-hais. 😊

[@MoojinBoi]

@@hannahcleopatrak9macandrew778 i mean they literally are created by saruman n grown in the movie so you're wrong there, the movies and the book are two separate entities

[@danielprivate8038]

Woulda been nice to see more of the books scenes. On this one here . Thanks for doing this for us. :)

[@ChaseTerrier]

I guess the Orcs don't have a dental plan to get their teeth clean.

[@burrahobbithalf]

It was one of the few scenes where I wasn't annoyed at PJ; I thought that given the need to condense they did an acceptable job of it.

[@kojinaoftheinvertedeye810]

Love the vid! It's always sad knowing how much of the Orcs and Uruks was cut out, we know one's stronger than the other in the film but they still seem really low intelligence, in the books you can see a bit more of their smarts like knowing that Saruman is in this for himself or that the forest is the best place to hide from the riders which in the film isn't conveyed so much, we hear they smell man flesh but we just assume it's about Aragorn and co and not the Rohirrim, if anything in the film it almost takes away from their intelligence as they're right there, surely they could camp or at least hide in the forest so the horsemen would struggle to keep formation and find them, in there they could pick them off if they played their cards right

[@thewatcher8773]

The Uruk-Hai were good in Rebel Moon.

[@notoverlyacerbic9574]

Another commenter said "everyone wanted these videos to be 20 hours long." That is spot on and ties in to my comment.. Every writer who takes a book,any book,of standard length and turns it into a movie has to make gut wrenching decisions to make it fit. Now imagine that book is not just a book but an entire universe construct,complete with its own origin story,mythologies,languages,histories ect.. Then,add the factor of the book being not just a book but rather a much beloved,or better yet,revered work of supreme beauty that went on to be the impetus for an entire genre. Every Tolkien fan doing the job,all of us,would say that it not only needs to be 20 hours long,It has to be 20 hours long as every single thing in that 20 hours is integral. But perhaps that is being generous,a 30 or 40 hour running time is more realistic to the material. Of coarse every person in film knows that is not possible,so they cut.. and we cry.

[@SeminoleSpaceForce]

I hope with the advancement of AI we can soon get our wishes inexpensively granted!

[@KarmaWolf63]

I think it added to the showing of how brave the Hobbits ALL the Hobbits really were. They used their wits to overcome the enemy. I think this was more important than some of the Slog to mordor scenes from Frodo and that group which to me had too much slogging it became too much they could have cut some of that out and showed the more important plot scenes because they were important to the characters. Or just made it longer.

[@nunzioification]

Fun-Fact!- all of the Uruk-hai are played by Glen Danzig and his kin-folk!

[@v1e1r1g1e1]

''Meat's back on the menu, boys!'' One line, that sums up the entire conflict between Mordor Orcs and Uruk Hai, as covered in the TTT/LOTR chapter.

[@henrykfu]

I always imagined that the orc drink would look and taste like Jägermeister

[@SB-129]

It was probably some kind of grog the Uruk-hai had in their pouches, which is delicious.

[@Werdiknight]

It was NEVER the right decision to remove ANYTHING from the books. This masterpiece should have been delivered to the screens in any possible detail even if each of the three films lasted 10 instead of three hours. You need to understand that these are no random/ ordinary books and films... this is THE greatest and most important history of our time which has SO MUCH to say and so much we could (and should!) learn from it in these dark times so it's NEVER "too long". Any little detail, any piece of information is just as important in the great scheme of things. Those details should be appreciated, not cut.

[@johnkoutsoupakis]

@fact or fantasy i think the orcs and uruk arguing about "who's in charge" should have been included in the film to highlight the saruman's contention with sauron but also to flesh the "villains" out more. even the northern orcs should have been included. as for everything else, i dont think it was a huge loss. thank you for making these videos!

[@leeneufeld4140]

I agree. It was a great scene in the book, but books you can put down and chew on what you just read, then continue. You can't do that in a movie. It just would have added another layer of complexity to an already very complex story, and very likely confused things rather than revealing anything really important.

[@k8eekatt]

Man they did a good job making these characters horrific. The actors must be so active and capable to be able to run in those costumes.

[@vin4216]

Best looking Uruks and Goblin.

[@Medzey]

Guys someone help me…. Why i can watch this video even in the background and for others video i cant 😂😂

[@josephnash2081]

I think omissions improved the movie.

[@clyden2678]

I have played DnD since 1986 and loved the books.... the movies were great in many regards but cutting Tom Bombadil was a loss for ALL. As well as the depiction of dwarves as bumbling dufusses while elevating the elves to THE ELVES that are immortal yes but NOT super heroes. Tolkien very much portrayed the Elves and Dwarves as equal sides of the same existential coin... the movies do not. Humans were a mix of dwarven industry/ family values/ salt of the Middle Earth while elves were magical/ noble/ aloof. The movies depiction here is another loss .... but Tom Bombadil..... possibly the biggest loss

[@harka1996]

Can you make the video about orks and urukhai life behind the scenes. I wonder how their life is when they are not on war goals.

[@jockmccormick8573]

For those have spent the last fifty years or more, readingthe trilogy, the Uruks are so well realised, they are exactly how you imagine them. Badass, supersoldiers, with a warped sense of humour

[@Enubatan]

"Let's recap what happens in this scene." "THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD!"

[@slobodanstojanovic5521]

This drink that the Uruk hai gives him, is actually a drink that heals and gives strength for fighting and long marches. After a few sips the hobbit felt no more pain from the wound. But the effect of that drug or drink stopped after a few hours!

[@charlesjmouse]

Very good. FWLIW: While I think all of Peter Jackson's films were fantastic, I do see The Two Towers as by far the weakest as it took the greatest liberties with the plot and characters in Tolkien's work, while adding screens that never existed in the books. I have no issue with adaptation for the sake of the medium as long as no fundamental changes or additions are made, and any resultant loose ends are properly tied up. Indeed, in the case of the Two Towers, fewer liberties would have allowed for more of the Uruk-hai. I should probably mention my memory for the films isn't great as I haven't watched them in a very long time - there's more than one excellent fan edit that does much to bring the films closer to the books and those are the versions I watch... ...indeed, for anyone who was dismayed by the Hobbit films, there are very good fan edits that do much to fix things although lacking sufficient material not to the extent as the LoTR films.

[@davidkulmaczewski4911]

I always felt Jackson leaned too hard into tropes such as "in film all characters need a dramatic arc." Personally, I think that is a cop out; I'm sure there are plenty of great films that lack such arcs for the characters. Same with "there must be romantic subplot". It's certainly not an artistic necessity... it's a financial (i.e., box office) strategy. Film adaptations don't need dramatic arcs and romantic subplots, rather mainstream Hollywood blockbuster film adaptations demand them to maximize box office receipts.

[@Phoenixosasere]

I have some things to say about my experience with this movie from discovering it to finally watching the part 3

[@maskedmarvyl4774]

I don't think the 20 minute section of the Uruk-Hai shopping for better bargains at Target, counts as must-see viewing,.

[@Toadkillah]

"In the book he isn't nearly as bad" except you know the Moria part that in the book wasn't an accident but him having no impulse control and he just yeets a stone down the well to check its dept. To be fair, in the book it isn't him and Merry throwing stones in the lake but Boromir out of frustration, which then wakes up the Watcher in the Water.

[@zlatanclovecic1944]

The lore just proves how the LOTR world is complex and how much it's above the mud of so-called "Rings of power". The only lore that is rising around the "Rings of power" is how bad and completely out of Tolkien's world they are.

[@josephpiedmonte]

I can't remember, how is it that regular orcs are running around in the daylight with the Uruk? I thought the Uruk were made to be able to travel through the day.

[@garrettord3304]

I think these scenes were well cut for the movie version. It caught the feel of the Orc/Uruk culture and hit all of the key events. Naming the orcs and having them tend the hobbit's wounds would humanize them on screen, which isn't necessary.

[@cal14-1-20]

Movies vs Manuscripts in Game of Thrones would be sick. And a thousand episodes long.

[@factorfantasyweekly]

Very true idk if I could handle that 😂

[@KarlElvis]

This encapsulates what Jackson does wrong in this film. The battle of Helms Deep is one chapter. It’s a great chapter, one of the best in the entirety of lord of the rings, but it’s one chapter. But Jackson cuts most of the orc-and-hobbit section, most of the Fangorn section, most of the pursuit, etc. So the main plot and character movement is replaced with battle that goes on and on. It’s way out of balance, and chucks most of merry and pippins character development . It’s why this was my least favorite of the three films.

[@ravinrabbit7932]

awesome video! Jacksons alterations are fine for me. especially the ones regarding the groups or orcs and uruks. however, the chasing over the plains by aragorn gimli and legolas dont look quite that demanding. running for 3 days and nights would draw a toll on all three characters. Legolas seems worried tho, like in the books. while aragorn keeps moral up and gimli rolling down cliffs... instead of confessing hes exhausted. like the decent dwarf with some character ark. that gimli actually is. but gimli rolling is my only real critic here

[@grahampovey8073]

Wrong to remove both this, and particularly Tom Bombadil. .... this section explains much, and Tom Bomb adds a delightfull richness to the story that diverts for awhile from the oppressive gravity of the Black Riders, and explains why Merry's sword had the power to harm the Chief of the Nazgul.

[@hankakah4180]

At 2:35, the Uruk-hai is drinking with a cork still on the bottle. If he was going to take off the cork first before giving it to the Hobbits, he would have had the bottle down and pull the cork up, the liquid remains in the bottle. Pulling the cork this way will release liquid onto his mouth and face. drinking it like a bottle with a bottle with an opening like in today's flasks, doesn't work here.

[@jmansfield8554]

No reason the Orcs couldn’t have taken a bite or two without anybody noticing👍🏼

[@ZoomReverseFlash]

That part about Orcs of the Misty Mountains seeking revenge for their chieftain's is also the reason for their presence in the Battle of the Five Armies in the Hobbit book. They WERE NOT serving Sauron!