Failed Mormon parents

[@mormonstories]

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[@theeight-roadwanderer6286]

The only way I'd say my parents failed significantly is that they purposefully ignored my obvious pleas for help to get me out of my mission. That caused me a lot of deep trauma I still deal with to this day

[@jennifercadle8393]

Can I humbly ask why you wanted to leave your mission?

[@jennifercadle8393]

Can I humbly ask why you wanted to leave your mission?

[@theeight-roadwanderer6286]

@@jennifercadle8393 lots of reasons but I'll try to simplify. 1. The mission field itself was not at all what I was told it was going to be. I was sold propaganda and the church lied to me. It was more like a sweatshop pyramid scheme than an environment of service and love. 2. In general, I felt an overwhelmingly instinctive feeling that I was in a very dangerous environment. 3. In my first 6 weeks I nearly died of a 104° fever, and the church didn't let me go to the hospital. 4. I was being consistently sexually assaulted by my second mission companion. 5. Everything we were doing felt incredibly unethical. Especially the way we manipulated people into being baptized. We'd literally force ourselves into people's homes. I was forced to baptize pedophiles and other terrible people. Generally forced to go against my own internal sense of morality and principles or else I'd be punished. 6. I immediately started to develop the most intense depression I'd ever had in my life and I always felt on edge. To this day I deal with severe PTSD and constantly have to make a game plan of how to escape a room or building, etc 7. I was nearly murdered in the mission somewhere between 7 and 12 times. 8. We weren't given sufficient sustenance. I was malnourished and got sick a lot. The list goes on and on. My cousin says it was like the Sea Org from Scientology

[@theeight-roadwanderer6286]

@@jennifercadle8393 oddly enough, the MTC was fun. If I had only gone there, my testimony would've been bolstered. The mission ruined it. The church can't help but take things too far. It's always unsatisfied and wants more from people

[@reaper3516]

If this is how you view the mission experience it's probably better you hadn't gone. You wasted your time and the Lord's time. What would have been different if you'd gone to the MTC? Having fun? Goofing off? The MTC is very strict id say more so than the mission. If you're worried about rules and micromanagement then you have failed to see clearly the purpose of a young man or woman serving the Lord. Of course missions are hard. Very challenging. But that stretching allows for much growth. Testimonies don't grow. Faith does. Testimonies are gifts from the Lord that bolsters faith allowing man to pierce through doubt and unbelief.

[@christophercampbell4166]

I couldn't have said it better myself. I don't feel so bad about leaving the church as I do about how my parents feel about it. I don't want them to think they were awful parents. In fact, the fact that they raised me to pursue knowledge means they did something right.

[@gamingdude1926]

I want You back. God

[@brofourtwenty2143]

Bro ur parents brainwashed you into that sick cult. Why rf would u feel sorry for leaving psychotic parents

[@cindihunter9119]

Thanks, Dr. Dehlin, your speaking truth! Your spot ON! ❤

[@bedazzlejuju]

I guess I should be grateful. My parents were so strict and limiting, the church was so judgmental and ridiculous, seminary teachers couldn’t answer even the most basic questions that I was inspired to leave the church at 13. By leaving, I meant no longer taking the sacrament and ditching the classes (only to go home and find my father on the couch watching football). I dug the stories of Christ, but the hypocrisy was too much. God isn’t a petty human. God is love.

[@michaelreidperry3256]

Is being LDS necessary? Is going through all this conflict, strangled by unrealistic and unreasonable expectations, the only hope for happiness people can have?

[@joetaylor8687]

That's the prevailing narrative. They sell it over and over, every day . . . no happiness unless you tow the line and do exactly what "the brethren counsel." Better be careful WHICH brethren, though, because it's constantly changing.

[@rap5374]

I thank god I wasn’t born into a religion. It’s truest a blessing.

[@jamesstevens4253]

I failed as a parent by not leaving earlier and saving my children from that oppressive cult!

[@edmc1000]

They failed their kids by getting them into a cult.

[@joetaylor8687]

Certain amount of truth here. Although many could argue about the "cult" categorization, it sure as hell often acts like a cult.

[@gamingdude1926]

I want You back. God

[@brofourtwenty2143]

Literally

[@dawndiscusses5685]

I mean that's.. lacking nuance? They're ALSO in that cult.

[@susancarver3685]

Soooooo very true, for I was one of those parents. It took a while to recover from that sense of failure.......even when I researched the church and found lie after lie annnnd left the church. STILL.... STILL feelings of failure. 😢

[@edddddddddddd]

If only they would question anything about the Mormon faith.

[@rtharalson]

Mormonism teaches a lot of vicarious things. This you see a lot of parent living vicariously through their kids.

[@kera9389]

This is so accurate. I remember my mom saying what did I do wrong when myself or my brother left. Everything is extremely internalized and she felt that she failed as a mother so the “burden” is on her. I can’t remember where that’s taught but it was a horrible thing to go through and not come out scarred on the other end.

[@senniewhite6301]

*My son was converted to Mormonism when 17 years old. He was rebelling and going through a phase that lasted through dropping out of his own family and "adopting" his Mormon friend's family. We felt so betrayed by this Mormon family for encouraging our son, even though he was a Christian and a member of our church. What heartache we went through until he left Mormonism.*

[@theeight-roadwanderer6286]

@@senniewhite6301 Mormons are skeevy. They smile a lot and dress nice, but they'll do that kind of stuff without a second thought

[@srso4660]

@@senniewhite6301 no offense but I hope your son made it out of religion all together. It's all the same poison just in varying levels of potency.

[@marty4278]

Sounds like the portrayed Jewish mothers.

[@danstephensen9032]

That’s the exception NOT the rule in the LDS Church. Mom needs to get over it. That is a selfish attitude to but pressure on where it’s not deserved. You and your Brother go and enjoy clear conscience and Happy, productive lives without judgement! Jesus said: My Peace, I leave with you. Let not your heart be troubled!! You Won!! 🏆🏆

[@nicoledickerson9516]

Wow! So they’re more worried about themselves then their child. I’m not Mormon … but I would think their child’s eternal life would be one of the most important things in their life because of their love for their child

[@Wheels_Unlimited]

And the reason they're worried about failing is because they fear the judgement of others in the church. It's all keeping up appearances...

[@the-salamander4truth]

💯

[@Glamerth]

I disagree. Most mormons really believe in the eternal families idea and so kids leaving is VERY upsetting because of this.

[@daisydriver5877]

@Wheels_ Unlimited Exactly...different church same thing! Pride goeth before a fall. So,so sad! Parents Need to let their kids learn from their own mistakes. In my case...my church community living situation disintegrated before my eyes. I had to move. Had sold most of my possessions (forced to)... I never found out shy the divide happened. However, many of my church acquaintances went far away from the fellowship. I held on to what I had learned feeling it was valuable. My parents and most of my "church friends" are not here anymore...my parents too. I am wondering why am I still here? I Have learned thru my life...things rarely remain where we put them when we're young! (priorities) Things change...many times you'll see...God is wise....I am Not!

[@daisydriver5877]

​@@GlamerthThey internalize it as immutable law ( something written in stone...that cannot be erased). It is Church doctrine.. and doctrines are manmade!

[@lorieschnell675]

I total disagree I have had 4 of my children leave the church! One of my children has come back and I never felt judged or needed to keep up my appearances.Families are forever and it in the Lords hands.

[@MsMadmax1]

I married into a generational LDS family. I feel that my in-law, who lives with my spouse and I will not be happy until she brings her son back into the church and me along with him. I think she feels that her eternal happiness is threatened because all her children won't be in the celestial kingdom with her.

[@jamesrutter4100]

Get your children to safety. She is a danger to them and is hiding it from you and pretending concern for "thier" well being. She is only focused on HER image

[@opalined]

I married in as well. My mil found that blaming me for him leaving was a better substitute for feeling guilty herself. He'd left the church for almost 2 years before we got together but she still believes 20 some years later that it was me, somehow. Logic has no bearing.

[@Ellen-sg2tv]

Love your honesty I'm from Utah he's telling the truth

[@cambria526]

I was PISSED when the local bishop went to my father before contacting me after I demanded my membership be stricken from their records without involving my family. But of course there's no respect. 🙄

[@angelicataylor7179]

It goes even further, the only thing my parents were successful in was raising three atheists, my dad deconverted, my mother switched to Catholicism after several very stern talking-to's that my grandmother and aunts gave her about how she had implicitly failed a line that went all the way back to the beginning of The Church.

[@the-salamander4truth]

My family is also 100% out now. I’m very proud of all of them.

[@theeight-roadwanderer6286]

@@the-salamander4truth you lucky SOB 😂

[@tjandersonn8492]

My mom left the church first. I was upset. Didn’t understand why. But then I met with the new Bishop. Ran out of his office sobbing. I called our stake President and he told me the same thing. No food help unless I attend every Sunday, pay tithing, take self reliance classes and hold a calling. My health is not that good. But being 38 people don’t think about that. After I hung up with the stake President I was crying and that’s when I had my first heart attack. My Drs said it was from stress and my genetic disorder. No one has called or come by. Not one friend from the church. 5 other families have left because of this new Bishop and all these new rules. I can hardly take care of myself and my family … I can’t work for the church for free and HOPE my children can eat.

[@tammylawson9712]

So sorry you are going through this. There are other religions out there that will help without putting those demands on you. I've gotten help from baptist churches that I am not a member of many times and they don't push you to attend or pay tithe. My mother went to them for help to get my stepfather help for addiction, the next day they where not allowed back into the church, he died from overdose. This mormon cult is just that and they don't care about the people, just money and appearance. Get out while you can and find God in another church.

[@joetaylor8687]

Too often, people get cultured into the idea that "everything good" is wrapped up in, or tied to, "the Church." This is amazingly myopic, tunnel, and faulty vision at best. Many need to pull their heads out and look around a bit.

[@DarkmanRides]

The church teaches that tactic to the parents so that they can hopefully exercise enough influence over you to make you return to the church don't play their Wicked Game

[@rickstevens1479]

They should be proud of their kids for wisely leaving..

[@MsCaterific]

As a TBM I did feel like a failure when my child went inactive, but more surprisingly is the greater failure I felt when I became aware of my religiosity when I left the church and how this permanently negatively affected my kid.

[@jurgenweimann3627]

Every failed Mormon parent is a good parent

[@learnhope7895]

One of the most ridiculous things about that is if they believe their own religion, One third of God's children turned away and he was a perfect parent and I know that opens the door for them to call people who leave sons of perdition and apostate and many more things I've been called all of the above but it's funny to me that God's children can choose, but not yours because you need to be perfect

[@jackwaycombe]

Perhaps they feel they didn't do a good job is because... Having subjected their kids to that abusive rubbish, they REALLY didn't do a good job!!!!

[@marshafisher71]

My mother looks upon her ‘inactive’, children as failures. This is so disturbing on so many levels. You can be happy, healthy, secure, kind, loyal, and contributing positively in your community…. But…. Alas…..You failed God’s plan.

[@AntiDecepticonCampaign]

They failed by having faith in a cult.

[@AberdolphLinklr]

You’re failing as a parent the second your feelings come first.

[@desiadaven]

Truth. And the projecting can get nasty.

[@carolinea3899]

I begged them not to feel like this, but I know deep down this is probably what they’re feeling. It makes me sick. 😞

[@gamingdude1926]

I want You back. God

[@romanstarr01]

And seemingly the church turns a blind eye, while escaping any notion of culpability.

[@gamingdude1926]

I want You back. God

[@500mxwink]

My Mom converted my Dad from Catholicism back in the 70s, and I was baptized at 8. My Dad is now gone, and my Mom lives my sister and her family. The day she moved to Utah with them, I quit going and am now back at my old non-denominational church. I feel like I've drove a dagger into my sweet mother's back, but I know. LDS church has changed wayyyy to much, and like everyone says you have to be darn near perfect or striving to be perfect. Sorry Mom, I just know the truth now.❤

[@gamingdude1926]

I want You back. God

[@michellejean8068]

We are perfectly imperfect human Beings. Perfection last a second then we want more.

[@gregwood1491]

I have seen Morman parents Destroy their children

[@NatalieJ22]

Honestly I feel like this is accurate to most situations when it comes to difficulties between parents and adult children, especially with all of us that are growing up and realizing the ways our parents have treated us are not healthy or acceptable and when we try to tell them they hurt us, they immediately go on the offensive and try to deflect. They often try to frame their children as being ungrateful or mean for blaming them etc. so they don’t have to face the fact that something they did was damaging to their children. So many parents simply do not have the emotional intelligence or maturity to face their mistakes when it comes to their children and that’s why so many people now have such distant relationships with their parents. We won’t tolerate it anymore and they refuse to acknowledge their faults.

[@1jannking]

OMIGOSH! This is so spot on! My son came home from a mission to Moscow Russia intent on getting excommunicated, which is what happened. It broke my heart. I HAD FAILED. Now 23 years later I'm 100% out! Gratefully, my son is glad he got to have the experience of going to Russia, and the lovely people he met there. Unfortunately he has completely turned away from Jesus. Another son went to Peru, and "stayed the course" for 30 years after he came home. However he left about 15 years ago, but with a firm and growing relationship with Jesus Christ, and has helped me see the false LDS doctrine. John, thank you for this excellent video and explanation.

[@darlahamilton7759]

I have it been or not currently upset with my three sons because they have chosen not to be active… I do my best to be a good example for them….. they know how I feel about the Gospel and the church and since we talk all the time, they ask “going to church today”….. I pray for them and all the world…..thank you❤

[@darlahamilton7759]

Oooops I have not been

[@aubrey6538]

How ironic that this video just showed up when my mom just texted me two days ago asking me how she failed, lol.

[@ESPHMacD]

It does not excuse any harm done though. Just because it was “misdirected” at the kid instead of themselves does not erase any hurt they cause their kid because of it.

[@ladypamela8269]

Because they are shown that through teachings

[@charlie9238]

When me and my siblings were teens having doubts and not going anymore it was bad for my mom. She was so sad for us and it came out as anger. When we became adults she was able to understand that it wasn't something we wanted and that was that. She now handles it a lot better although believes deep down that we all believe in the church and will come back. I know a lot of people in her ward look down on her for her children leaving the church. So while she doesn't see it as a failure, they do and judge her for it. I know a lot of parents in the church that emotionally manipulate their kids into staying. Lds wards are like families, that are stuck together but are so shit to each other secretly.

[@maddieb.4282]

What the parents don’t understand is that raising a child who can critically think and who has the confidence to follow their inner truth is the BEST possible success you can have. Honestly it’s so sad that they interpret the best thing for their child as some kind of failure

[@gamingdude1926]

I want You back. God 😇

[@dr.garyhatcher8364]

Well it is a failure when parents try to teach their children spiritual lies that are frankly ridiculous.

[@petedeluisa6315]

I think that's true no matter what faith tradition you follow. No parent wants to feel like they failed their child....signed, Cap't Obvious

[@tammylawson9712]

I'm sorry but 100% disagree with you on that. No other religion has ever made me feel shamed like the mormon church. Never felt like an outcast or a horrible person who would never go to heaven in the Catholic or Baptist faith. Mormons are like stepford families. It's like trying to leave a gang, if you get out you are made to feel as if your the lowest of scum and will never go to heaven. It's all BS

[@Junebugreen]

You gotta keep up appearances! Your church friends are gonna talk behind your back about how they HAD thought you were a good parent but you never know what goes on behind closed doors. 😮

[@mikef5693]

Their kids don't want to be in a phoney cult. And yes, the parents have failed their children, tough fact but true.

[@michellebell9931]

ABOUT THEIR SELVES.

[@catlover1039]

My mom told me she failed and honestly all I could tell her was that it’s ultimately not up to her what life I choose to live, I found out this works best for me I’m still a good person and the person she raised. I’m just not Mormon anymore

[@BelovedbyAdonai]

Said it 🎯❗

[@michellejean8068]

They forgot the gift of free will choice. At 18 my kids had a choice. But they never forget what they learned.

[@trekkiejk]

I grew up Jewish, and my mom has told me at one point or another that she feels like she failed somewhat. I get it, it's a big part of the mission of a parent to guide your child in the ways of your morality.

[@randygordon8298]

I.came out as gay. Most of my family have left since then. Including my mom. They just don't go anymore

[@NateAdamsMadeofAdams]

This is one of my biggest sources of anxiety right now

[@gerigossard5578]

Most definitely.

[@idowujoseph3408]

Very right ❤

[@michellebell9931]

RUN. RUN AWAY NOW.

[@marianbrown5247]

I agree. It is similar with non Mormons as well.

[@mellowmoods8393]

I married a devout Mormon from El Salvador and I had to convert to marry her. I have gone through the motions in the church just to keep the peace (I myself am Methodist). I now have a restraining order against or for abusing my daughter, as she has totally gone off the deep end. She is following this Mexican who she thinks is Jesus Christ, (who threatens my life via Facebook, mind you) and she is in her own world mentally. She has been spotted around town in a Burqua-like outfit talking to herself. It's just a mess, but my main concern is divorcing her and keeping my 3 kids safe and away from her. The Church really affected her upbringing and instilled in her a lot of guilt. But I tell you, after being in the Church for 20 years now, it's difficult to step back and ask yourself, what the TRUE Church is since the LDS churchs whole foundation rests upon themselves thinking they they have cornered that market with their product. But I am still looking.

[@sjenson6694]

I bet scientologist parents feel the exact same way just as strongly.. wonder how many of these TBM mormons ever considered that.

[@thebiscuitrose]

None, where I attend, is so involved. It's like a social club.

[@ezrafriesner8370]

That’s often how cults/religions present themselves at first in order to lure people into their trap

[@vickiwalters6924]

Parents are always afraid they didn’t do something right when it comes to their children.

[@KatieKat75]

I left when I was 57. My parents were heartbroken. Especially my dad. He would question me every day, when are you coming back? He was a great father, the best. But that he just couldn’t handle. Even the day before he passed, he asked me again. I so hope when he got over there, he discovers that the LDS church is just another organized religion, created by a delusional, possibly schizophrenic man.😊😊

[@missamanda2703]

How big is the exodus say between now and 2005 when social media became a outlet. They are finding so many flaws and failures in that and most religion. Its sad it took so long for people to be heald for the churches accountability. I accountability.

[@missamanda2703]

I miss when church was for god and family and faith not being conned. Then loosing your families so the elders can get rich.

[@RedBentley]

When I came back early from a mission and didn't want to go back my mom's question was "what did I do wrong raising you" still don't know if there's a way to respond to that.

[@neilhosler9001]

Told my wife my wish is she doesn't seal me after death. Told her that her dad and I are going to get a Condo in spirit limbo together😅

[@bobolson7610]

Who cares? I didn't even tell my parents I left, because I was already the black sheep of the family. Who cares where the parents are directing their sense of sadness, at their own failure, or their kid's eternal status? It doesn't even matter.

[@stephenosman8286]

Oh do I have stories about this!

[@Ummmmmkay88]

It’s the same way with Jehovahs witnesses

[@aspenhardware852]

The parents are brainwashed

[@Mark_B544]

Weirdos

[@darlenebrice9324]

I resent when you make umbrella statements like this. You're smart enough to know better. I have children who have left the church and I'm not sad and I definitely don't feel like a failure as a parent. I'm very proud of my kids and trust them to do what is best for them. Both of my children that left the church thank me profusely for providing them with a safe and loving upbringing which included the church. The reason I am proud of my children is because when they chose to leave the church they carried with them the most important aspect of "Mormonism". That is they love all people and do not invest their time into talking negatively about other people's faith and beliefs....as is done on this podcast.

[@jpr9863]

Not all TBM parents are a shining example like you are, Darlene.

[@ezrafriesner8370]

Just because you’re an exception doesn’t make the rule false. It’s called a social current.

[@danaonlineable]

This issue is NOT a church thing ... any church ... It's a life thing. If you raise your kid to be a happy, intelligent, productive person and they decide to, say, live on the streets, or don't want to work, or take drugs, etc., as a parent you will feel like you have failed parenting that child whether you have ever joined any church or not. You seriously need to take responsibility for your own life and actions and thoughts, and STOP blaming everything else for your failures. Your parents did their best, but your life is up to YOU and only you.

[@All32American]

Wow!

[@juliasheehan9443]

this is true for alot of our childrens choices that are different from the parents..example...choosing to drop out of school...having a baby...not keeping family business tradition...etc....very true...

[@dbl9903]

Isn’t that true of a parent of any religion that has a child reject their families religion and culture? How’s that a “Mormon” thing?

[@Ethan243]

Which is counter-productive..

[@HaleStorm49]

God made peace with this long before the parents ever could. Exaltation isn't for everyone.

[@Chancho801]

Oh my mom was beside herself. She kept asking what she did wrong. 🙄

[@GothDogs]

100% !!

[@bonifriedawagner5697]

It's a cult rejoice they left🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@jinimurray4090]

If you DONT GET YOUR KIDS OUT OF LDS --> THEN you really have failed Ask yourself? Am I guaranteed eternal life? No - it’s works based. All our best deeds are as filthy rags & could never get us eternal life - no religion can! Otherwise why did Jesus have to come and die In Our place - we sin - he paid our penalty Jesus of the Bible is all you need Jesus said Don’t have anything g to do with anybody’s club organization or religion A it’s NOT ME!

[@davidcooper1201]

Mormon doctrine is based on a faulty book that has multiple contradictions to reality and truth. If you are enslaved in Mormonisn I suggest you start reading the New Testament and find freedom from sin and a new life in Jesus Christ and Him alone.

[@jtsbdog8789]

This video is ridiculous. You’re trying to call out specifically, Mormons, but this type of issue happens with any facet of life with any situation of life with wrong parenting.

[@salesadmieze9049]

Aren't all of us parents like that?

[@ellentaylor8825]

i as a parent will be sad,because i want my children to be with me to be forever,but they have their agency to choose,i will still love them,and continue to pray that God forgives them and the Holy spirit guide them what is right...

[@sjenson6694]

So you as a full grown adult think the one true path is a religion a guy pulled out of a hat in the 1830s with plagiarized writing and plagiarized rituals about white Indians that never existed and a god that holds families hostage...

[@danielestrella2818]

I know the Church is the Only true Church on earth, i know that i know it

[@talmagerichardson5575]

The theory that parents' inward feelings are "secondary" to their fear for their child cannot be known by anyone but the parents-- and maybe not even them! you're not helping people by saying this, please stop feeding a fire of bitterness and tension.

[@jpr9863]

Oh, my! The bitterness and tension you mention should be focused on the Q15, who continue to lie about the truth claims of the church, including the Families Are Forever narrative, which is made up, Talmage.

[@talmagerichardson5575]

This is a weird way to criticize parents who care about their kids and feel responsible for how they raised them.

[@jpr9863]

The adult children have every right to live their lives as they see fit. The parents need to get over themselves. If they haven't raised them to think and thrive on their own, they have indeed failed.

[@talmagerichardson5575]

@@jpr9863 "the parents need to get over themselves" what is your argument? parents should never feel remorse, regret, and failure based on the lives lived by their adult children? Surely you wouldn't tell the disappointed or grieving parent of a child who battles heroin addiction, or is involved in violent gangs, or committs suicide, "you just need to get over yourself." Would you? Although there are those who might shurg off violence or drug use, a caring parent has every right to (a) feel within themselves a sense of right and wrong, and (b) feel inadequate when their loved ones choose to live differently. Can one fairly dismiss deeply held religious beliefs as an arbitrary reason of concern for parents? You're correct that adult children have the right to live as they please. But isn't saying to their loved ones, "you MUST feel ___ and you MUST NOT feel ___ or you're a bad person" actually EXERCISING the same type of emotional control you're criticizing?

[@ezrafriesner8370]

It’s not aiming directly at the parents, it’s aiming at the broader issue of a cult who holds people emotionally accountable for the preservation of a perfect visage of faith.

[@talmagerichardson5575]

@@ezrafriesner8370 the video is titled “failed Mormon parents.” It’s aimed directly at the parents. Separating the abstract culture of parents in general from the parents themselves is an easy way to dehumanize them and make them easier to attack. A culture can only be made up of real people.

[@judiechamblee9581]

Most of the kids come back later in life realizing that it is much easier to have a family within the morman faith..

[@tammylawson9712]

This is such a horrible statement, it just solidifies how the mormon church is a cult

[@louismorris7946]

i doubt that unless they are narcissistic an want to tormemt their children the way they were.

[@ezrafriesner8370]

Something makes me doubt that quite a bit

[@evandoe9402]

This guy is confused... He doesn't understand that all people are children of God and that they have the potential to become as God. So yes, it's an eternal status...

[@scandia67]

He's not confused, he's just explaining how many Mormon parents feel if their kids leave the church.

[@evandoe9402]

He's definitely confused.....

[@ezrafriesner8370]

@@evandoe9402 your self righteous condescension is why I could never be a person of faith.

[@evandoe9402]

Another confused person

[@ezrafriesner8370]

@@evandoe9402 I am often confused, that’s something anyone with true knowledge comes to accept. I see you yourself are firmly parked midway up the enthusiasm curve of the dunning-Kruger effect.

[@thomasrohrer6582]

Same feeling a parent has when s kid becomes a stupid Democrat.

[@ezrafriesner8370]

No better then a stupid republican. I think we both know that both parties in the US two party system are rather silly.

[@seanspec89]

If their kid stops believing in magic or Mormonism, maybe they can grab their magic underwear and go find Jesus or an angel in the woods like smith did, or anyone that does LSD while camping.

[@chadhamblin47]

Lol!

[@mayazooming6811]

Just because kids can see through the cloud of bullcrap don't mean anything the only thing the parents failed them kids at is telling him a lie from get-go besides that I'm sure their hearts was in the right place just kids ask questions and then they find out that stuff is not as true and real is what it seems to be in very fake kids are very smart