Faith Is Inescapable...For EVERYONE!? | Talk Heathen: Throwback

[@dalecs47]

Using "Word games" to make an argument is just a way to argue without actually presenting a good case.

[@tobias4411]

"What can be asserted without evidence, can also be dismissed without evidence" ~ Christopher Hitchens

[@DavidWilson-eu1mv]

Belief is knowledge. Faith is believing without knowledge. (Seth Andrews)

[@nagranoth_]

well Seth Andrews was wrong. Belief is not knowledge in the same way an animal is not a cow. Knowledge is a subset of belief. Namely a justified true belief. A belief you can justify accepting as true because of evidence or logic.

[@DavidWilson-eu1mv]

@ That is exactly what is inferred in the statement so no, Seth is 100% correct. Also, there is a possibility that my quote is not verbatim .

[@ChristianIce]

"nobody has faith without evidence" Sure, dude, that's exactly how it works- Take your pills now and sleep a little.

[@tobias4411]

Exactly. If there were irrefutable proof, it wouldn't be a religious faith. Faith doesn't require evidence; it involves believing without it. If there were irrefutable proof that Christianity was correct and God was real, everyone would be a Christian. In that case, Christians wouldn't have faith because it would simply be a fact.

[@MrCanis4]

Just a other "I have this very special friend, you don't. I'm very special, you're not" dude.

[@mistylover7398]

Imaginary at best lol

[@LeoLynch-yg7vo]

When I cross the road I don't rely on faith to keep me safe. I have evidence that doing so would be dangerous to me so I check to see if it's safe for me to cross. I don't know how he thinks faith is the same thing since faith claims are by definition not testable or evidentiary.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

Well said

[@dv8754]

Calls like this make me so angry, because it makes me realize how stubbornly and willfully ignorant so many people go through their lives. "We all believe, so mine is ok" is so lazy and arrogant and nonsensical it makes me want to scream.

[@mistylover7398]

Exactly. Stupidity is still a thing

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

True. It’s like saying you eat ice cream so it’s ok for me to drink gasoline!

[@5555522255555]

❤

[@Brett-h5q]

Matt says "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

[@RafaelRodrigues-vj7he]

Carl Sagan said that

[@RafaelRodrigues-vj7he]

Carl Sagan said that

[@themanwithnoname1839]

Yes but matt also says it...... Christ

[@clemstevenson]

I believe that the caller's beliefs are false...If the caller had evidence, he should be able to prove that my belief is wrong.

[@chudleyflusher7132]

This results from a combination of low expectations and parents who don’t value education.

[@Jimages_uk]

If there is always evidence for faith, then there must be evidence for the thousands of gods that have been believed in throughout history.

[@christianblevins1870]

Jeff equating a whole bunch of shit together is not going to get you to god.

[@marburg684]

"A WHOLE BUNCH OF SHIT" 😂😂😂😂

[@reim0027]

He lost me when he said Science is other people's testimony

[@kaizokuo5850]

Yeah, he nearly swallowed the mic in his rush to tackle the credibility of science 🤦

[@nagranoth_]

well unless you're going to repeat the experiments yourself it sort of is. I mean you have peer review and such, but that's also other people writing down stuff: testimony. It's just that there's so much of it, and it has actual results that are applied every day, and most of it you could test yourself if you wanted, that makes it so a lay person who does not do science themselves can trust it even though technically it is testimony and it could just be the generations spanning worldwide conspiracy that all governments despite being enemies contribute to. The thing is what is more reasonable to believe? That scientists by and large try to give honest testimony based on facts others can check and others actually check it, or such a conspiracy?

[@christianblevins1870]

If faith=trust I just lop off the other half of that equation because faith has a lot of ignorant baggage with it and I say Trust=Trust.

[@phillace]

Sadly , this caller is totally confused as to what "belief" is .

[@brucewilliams4152]

You can believe anything but it is the strength and weight of evidence that supports that belief, the theist knows that the evidence for any God claim is weak which is why they try to push faith into athiests.

[@TheLevantin]

If faith is the same as trust, but trust has to be built up with evidence, does that mean that no one on this earth has faith in God? doesn't that destroy their entire position? Don't theists have arguments that don't shoot themselves in the foot?

[@tobias4411]

They imagine they have evidence for their specific god.

[@kitchencarvings4621]

Thanks for the fallacious package deal. One can have trust for rational reasons or irrational ones, and you lump all of these together into a single concept. I trust that my wife can drive a car, take care of sheep, walk, cook, whistle, etc. because I've witnessed her do each with consummate skill. I don't trust that she can perform brain surgery since she hasn't been to medical school.

[@asyetundetermined]

This is nothing more than an attempt at shame transference. Jeff is embarrassed that he has been duped, so he employs a lazy “both sides” strategy to drag the world down to his level to feel balanced.

[@christianblevins1870]

So… faith is bad? Because Jeff is almost using faith as an insult as if to say hahah atheists you are just as bad as I am?

[@kellyrestiaux9846]

That often happens. Hosts have pointed out this tacit admission by theists. I think it's a point not nearly 'called out' as often as it should be.

[@nagranoth_]

funny how I've never had faith in anything then, or am even able to grasp how anyone could...

[@cesariglesias297]

I was younger when I started my doubts in Santa Claus fantastic powers and abilities then at 6 years old I accidentally found my parents wrapping our gifts confirming my doubts about Santa Claus

[@BillieCristal]

After watching the movie Hederic faith is escapable.

[@sirilay]

I always get frustrated with Jeff's calls. He's constantly trying to sneak in other concepts as true and marginalizing others. He's been plenty dishonest throughout his discussions.

[@cmack17]

I have two different concepts of "trust" and "faith". I do not agree with Jeff's usages. I also find Jeff's arguments to be invalid. Now what? This would be very easy for a "god" to clear up.

[@UnintelligentDesigner]

Dude learned a few big words but not what they actually mean, and now he thinks he's a genius. Standard Dunning-Kruger.

[@Mosz]

@10:15-10:28 he just refutes his own argument, he even explains why his original statement was wrong. 🤦‍♂

[@GodKing666]

The fundamental problem is Christians can’t seem to understand that “Faith” is a majestic based verbiage in their world. When I have “Faith” colloquially in a chair, it’s because of consistency. Meaning… They haven’t given us enough evidence for us to believe in their Faith due to the lack of consistent evidences. I don’t choose to not believe, because I’d be lying to myself. If there was an evidence that could make me believe, it wouldn’t be a choice at that point. I can choose a plethora of other things to not do considering their faith, but NOT believe couldn’t be one of them.

[@JPPan-hq6le]

jeff also doesn't know what science is. every one of his calls is silly word games

[@Devious_Dave]

Another theist using 'faith' like a plaything. I thought this stuff was supposed to meaningful, god-given.

[@MisterG2323]

This fellow is a bit too hung up on pedantry to do much in the way of critical thinking.

[@Ninthofnine1969]

Nah... no-one exercises belief when trusting in evidence...duh🎉 Geoff and co have never seen nor understood the scientific method. They think it's like grade school where your taught how to learn to learn. These concepts are way over his own head🎉

[@Mark1615-zi4er]

Repent of your sins. Believe in Jesus for salvation and be born again, becoming a new person in this life. Luke 24:47, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV

[@KarstenNygaard-d8c]

"I will not buy this record, it is scratched" Monty Python

[@LeoLynch-yg7vo]

Nah piss off.

[@MrCanis4]

Trolling for Jebus again, now Folks by nice.

[@jayess9752]

Salvation from what?

[@emoryogglethorp8180]

​@@jayess9752from what Jesus would do to you if you don't accept him, these people really out here acting like a fictional mob boss is the hero of the story LOL

[@5555522255555]

Religious faith is just believing your assumptions are actually real...

[@5555522255555]

There's no faith without evidence...yeah he's right.. there's no evidence for any God therefore I have no faith in a God...see how that works..

[@dmc8092]

I wish people wouldn't smoke weed before they call in.