"The Fact That The Earth Even Exists Proves God!?" | Talk Heathen: Throwback

[@TheLevantin]

Ohhh, isn't that cute? A baby Christian with the watchmaker fallacy, that's so sweet.

[@gatorboymike]

A watch needs a painter. A building needs a watchmaker. A painting needs a builder.

[@davidcattin7006]

A truly talented and caring god would have made a much better planet.

[@mr.c2485]

Better yet, be satisfied with playing golf with Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

[@acgsmith5937]

@@mr.c2485 How far can the Messiah drive a ball?⛳✝

[@Jules_73]

The fact that believers think their religion is right and the thousands of others are wrong should be something they look at. The logical thing would be to think they’re all wrong.

[@SurgiusMaxĺmus]

All contingent on time place and culture.

[@Jules_73]

@ exactly. If you’re born in a Muslim household you’re predisposed to being a Muslim and thinking your way is the right way.

[@SurgiusMaxĺmus]

@@Jules_73 think bigger. All over the world. Go back thousands of years. How about tens of thousands? There is evidence of religions/mythology spanning the globe. Going as far back as 65,000 years. There are so many awesome made up magical people and places all over the world. It's no surprise the two most popular mythologies in the world have "believe and make believe or it's a paddling" in their doctrines. Both OG in the area of the most progressive civilization and trade routes.

[@williamjohn2910]

Zack "i don't know". Best answer I've heard from a caller in years.

[@AbsurdlyGeeky]

Ain't no party like an apologist party because an apologist party begs the question.

[@mckorr2116]

No one ever straightens this out. Any ARTIFICIAL CONSTRUCT requires a creator. If you want to argue that the universe was created, you must prove that the universe is an artificial construct. Merely claiming that our pattern seeking brains occasionally see order in the universe does not mean it is an artificial construct. That's the equivalent of looking at a cloud, saying "that cloud looks like a duck", and assuming that means it was constructed.

[@mr.c2485]

Seems logical….but we’re not dealing with logical people…are we?

[@tekbarrier]

Maybe God is stuck in the phantom zone and that's why we can't detect him

[@Bruce-hy2uo]

Imagine you're walking along the beach, and you see a little god laying in the sand just hanging out, humming a Metallica song. Obviously, the little, headbanging god needs a creator...and so on and so on.

[@MrMattSax]

It’s important to point out that these teleological arguments entirely rely on intuition and are, ultimately, useless. Good explanations, by contrast, allow us to build things, make predictions and have pragmatic utility. If sand was made by magic, that’s where it ends. If we are curious to go beyond that we can learn about rocks, sedimentation, natural forces, etc that end up resulting in sand. That explanation has use, we can do things with it. Magic just drops the ball on the ground and says “okay, we’re done, that’s as far as we can get”. Useful explanations give us progress, magic keeps us in the dark.

[@mr.c2485]

Zachy is a Ray comfort fan boy…. Temporarily. 😊

[@SurgiusMaxĺmus]

Almost 2025 and folks still keep pushing for magic people out of archaic books, drawings and effigies, all contingent on time place and culture. ✌🤣✌

[@mr.c2485]

I know right?! I wish the aliens would show up and fix all our bullshit for us! 😊

[@themanwithnoname1839]

I know right? Its 2025 and people think pronouns matter or are needed "hi john he him" sounds incredibly psychotic, its 2025 and people think they can be non binary, its 2025 and men think they can be women and vice versa, lots of stupid people in our world, in order for their to be smart people there must be dumb ones to

[@odinson6348]

It would be like planting an orange tree every 100 square foot on Earth, then saying that because they only thrived in Florida under the right conditions, that proves God.

[@peris666]

We've seen stars being born in nebulae, no creator needed.

[@taurculh69]

"yea but, who created the matter IN the nebula, duh!" is what they will say. You can't win with them.

[@emoryogglethorp8180]

​@@taurculh69that's the thing about unfalsifiable hypotheses, you can't prove them wrong which means you have no way of knowing if they're right LOL

[@Alen-gr1xm]

​@@taurculh69and they'll ignore the special pleading fallacy for God's existence.

[@HansZarkovPhD]

Comic books prove that superman exists.

[@taurculh69]

If I am living in a cave, can you tell if I have dug the cave or if it was a natural cave and I just moved in? I am also pretty sure I could, if I wanted, dig the cave in such a way that it look natural. The whole "it looks created" argument is asinine because they ALWAYS point to obviously created things, like a watch. What If I was using a Sundial? And the Sundial was just a natural rock outcrop that was already there and I just added some numbers? Also, planets and stars don't need a creator, they just need matter, gravity, and enough time.

[@nagranoth_]

Actually archeologists would be able to tell whether it was natural. Things is, they do that by comparing natural soil profiles with dug profiles. Problem for the theist being we have nothing supernatural to use as comparison....

[@mr.c2485]

Logic and reason are sins to the believer.

[@TimHonisett-m1x]

Did Zack graduate from the Ray Comfort School of stupid?

[@brianmonks8657]

The Earth existing proves the Earth exists, that's it. It in no way even suggests that a god exists, let alone proves a god exists,

[@Leszek.Rzepecki]

The question of how to tell whether a beach or watch is designed or not isn't that complicated. The beach is composed of random sand grains and shell fragments of a vast array of shapes and sizes that have little more to do with each other than having been washed up on shore after a battering at sea. A watch has preicse arrays of gears with whole number ratios of teeth in the cogwheels, that interact with each other in fixed and seemingly non-random ways. Of course, there's a caveat to the generalisation: randomness might also be a feature of design, and there are such things as designer beaches! Nothing is entirely foolproof.

[@robtbo]

Zach wants to have a tautology that works… but wants to smuggle intention into creation. The tautology he needs is “intentionality is intentional.” That would work if he could demonstrate the intention behind the world rather than imagine it. Because demonstrable things are demonstrable and imaginary things are imaginary.

[@kitchencarvings4621]

Only if you assume that it was created by god is it "proof" that God created it. You've got things backwards.

[@lyndonmaddison5860]

Does anyone know why Kenneth Leonard doesn't seem to be on any ACA programmes anymore?

[@WizardImp]

0:35 So that bible doesn't do that? 8:20 1 Peter says you have to do that. This was borderline a prank-call.

[@agathokleia3056]

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[@FrikInCasualMode]

What about things that efinitely were created, but not by intelligent creator? Like beaver's dam, bee's honeycomb, weaver's bird nest? Why those are never mentioned by apologists?

[@XEndlessSteelX]

This was just sad, Zack regurgitated the same old watchmaker argument from incredulity we've heard a million times over.

[@johns1625]

Its 2024 and theyre still stumbling over the same linguistic mistakes that they were when i was watching in 2011 😂

[@ghostpacas7600]

Secular rarity drags on responses and bloviates. Not sure why being that they’re limited on time you need to ramble or on unnecessary tangents. He does this so much!

[@dalecs47]

Lie of omission: Religious people never speak the next step after we are all accepting their god. The next step being that we have to all do what THEY tell us to do and we have to give THEM our money. It is NEVER as simple as "Believe in god and then everything is fine." Religion is and always will be about power and money. When they do not tell you, then they are lying to you!

[@God-ld6ll]

sorry i left the earth with suffering. 😬 give me reviews in replies.

[@DiMadHatter]

Real bad move. No star ⭐

[@AbsurdlyGeeky]

Almost always just enough light for life to exist. One star.

[@God-ld6ll]

@@DiMadHatter what are you talking about? did i leave you a solar system with no stars? 🤨

[@God-ld6ll]

@@AbsurdlyGeeky you want more stars in your solar system? d:

[@Center1240]

SR- shut up, please. You are nearly putting Jordon Peterson to shame, nearly.

[@xx_insert_cool_username_he6876]

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[@bradmccoy7996]

How dumb can a person get to see that the world is not created we have the Globe floating in space where did it come from if it wasn't created by God

[@joehorn1762]

Your questioning is elementary school level science.

[@DiMadHatter]

How dumb can a person get that the world is not natural we have the globe floating in space we know how planets naturally form, what evidence is there tht it was ever guided by any god?

[@sparki9085]

"I don't know how this came about therefore it was magic! Obviously!" Isn't the argument you think it is

[@nagranoth_]

and that would be the god of the gaps fallacy. An especially dumb one as there's no gap to shove a god in. The obvious answer is gravity, have you heard of f-ing gravity? GRAVITY! The irony of you calling other people dumb right before making such a ridiculously stupid remark is hilarious.

[@emoryogglethorp8180]

That's the thing though, we know how our planet formed in exceedingly fine detail, but even if we didn't if you don't know the problem with "I can't think of any other possibility therefore God did it" then the only thing you've demonstrated is your complete inability to think critically LOL

[@Jeremy-xu3yu]

Repent of your sins. Believe in Jesus Christ for salvation. Become a new person in this life. John 3:16, Matthew 4:17, 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV

[@michaelriddell3995]

Quoting the bible isnt going to get you anywhere

[@KarstenNygaard-d8c]

"I will not buy this record, it is scratched" Monty Python

[@SurgiusMaxĺmus]

Read the Torah/Talmud Read the Bible Read the Quran Read the Bhagavat Gita Read the Prose Edda Read the Vedas Look at all other writings, drawings and effigies from thousands of other mythologies as representations of belief. All contingent on time place and culture. Why should I care about yours over others? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@bernardofitzpatrick5403]

Atheists are the best 💯.

[@joehorn1762]

Trolls not bright enough to be a human.