Fake Martial Arts vs Real Martial Arts

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Check out the second round with Steven here! kzbin.info/www/bejne/pH6okpSNm51laLM Lots of more fun videos are explored!

[@fifedogg511]

During the competition Akido fight why did one of the fighters have a stick in their hand and the other didnt?

[@PHATT_TV]

@Martial Arts Journey, I was so hyped Rokas when I saw u & Mr Steven Strangles did Collad 😎. 2 awesome, humble funny dudes 👌

[@Jenjak]

@@fifedogg511I think it's representing a knife and one try to stab or hit the other with it.

[@fifedogg511]

@@Jenjak so if he lands a strike with the knife he would get a point or something to that effect?

[@PacMan-hu5gv]

You guys are awesome. I had a similar situation when I did traditional martial arts and I was blinded with bullshido nonsense and lots of brainwashing. I wish I could get into MMA or BJJ. I just don't have the money and I'm not in good enough shape.

[@StevenStranglesPeople]

Bullshido never stood a chance👊🏽

[@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544]

Ha! you got that right chief!

[@TheElbowMerchant]

Sensei Strangles is killing it, as always.

[@michaelmartinez3893]

I'd put money on Stone Cold winning an actual fight against these bullshido artists 😄

[@adamlewisdrums5607]

Rup rup rup

[@danielbrealey2924]

@@adamlewisdrums5607 That went through my mind more than once during this vid too!!! LOL 😂 Good stuff bro

[@barrettdowell3985]

Steven made a really good point, it's easy to be like, "they had it coming" when a Tai chi or Kung Fu guy getting slumped by a boxer, but it's not always a "I'm unbeatable, I'm the best" kind of guy in those situations. It could very well have been a man who just believes in his art and has never put it to a real test. It's kinda tragic honestly, especially when you get to see the realization across rounds.

[@hourglas]

They had it coming still. They made martial arts their belief. That's the problem. A martial art isn't a religion, its tangible. It's like a house's foundation. You shouldn't "believe" it'll hold. You should have "confidence" it'll hold, because you built it upon tested knowledge. He may not have been outwardly arrogant, but he was guilty of arrogance. He believed his art was superior even though he's never fought a resisting opponent, or even thought about a physical altercation in a realistic manner. You could teach a guy to box for a year. Never have him spar another person and he would still win over their martial art. Why? Because boxing is built upon tried and true methods. Even though the individual wasn't pressure tested the skills have been. Their skills are built upon generations of compliant students as their only opponents.. That's like being a scientist who's never tested his hypothesis but still publishes a research paper. Thats a form of arrogance, same as that man in the ring.

[@TheSquad4life]

People who think their martial arts consist of energy balls and is some ancient super power absolutely have it coming .

[@inwit594]

@@hourglas The point is good because it amounts to a relatively easy to digest revelation. People that were 'trained' in fake martial arts or by bad teachers wouldn't know any better. They're just getting into martial arts, they wouldn't know how training works or if anything they are being taught is actually applicable or helpful. You can't blame someone for being tricked and then call it arrogance, especially given that some McDojos can be very convincing.

[@hourglas]

@@inwit594 those people want to be tricked. They so desperately want to be special. These are adults seeking affirmation not children being tricked. With full access to the internet. It's willful ignorance at best.

[@redmetalpanda9051]

@@hourglas i mean the students are sold some real bullshit that seems to make sense to the uninitiated people

[@michaelgolden8255]

The guy in the orange shirt “vs” the Aikido sensei was actually a former Turkish wrestling champion invited by an older Aikido instructor as an interesting and fun demonstration for the Aikido students. That is the reason the students were laughing and clapping. There was never an expectation that a non professional older non athletic Aikido teacher could prevail against a firmer champion.

[@camiloiribarren1450]

I'm so glad Stephen said this, just because the old man doing a traditional martial art and did not apply modern ways to make it functional does not mean the old man deserves to be knocked out. Let the traditionalists do their thing, and if they spar and work on ways to make it functional in modern times then that's cool; same thing with MMA people and we let both sides be. Balance is the key, respect both and we are all good. No ego, even though traditionalists can be nerds that believe in the mysticism, that's not all of us.

[@robcubed9557]

I love your comment. I've trained traditional martial arts and one of the first things I would explain to people is that for me martial arts were more like a "cardio kickboxing" class and that I didn't really practice fighting.

[@camiloiribarren1450]

@@robcubed9557 I’m glad you agree. It’s very important to see more than one point of view and ask questions. It’s ok to not know and then listen to what others are saying. It’s also ok to let old people practice their martial arts if it keeps them mobile

[@silverhawkscape2677]

No. He deserves it. All this fake traditional Martial Art must be stamped out.

[@godfreyofbouillon966]

as long as traditionalists dont claim their kind of ballet is an effective self defense or MMA technique. If they do, especially if they take money from people for teaching them "self defense", they deserve a reality check to the face.

[@n0xure]

I have Parkinson's is in my family - practicing hundreds of different moves both left and right is a waste of time from a practical pov, but training ambidexterity keeps your brain healthy and getting your lights knocked out in hard sparring match really doesn't.

[@mikhailvasiliev6275]

Steven: "Don't turn your back to someone while throwing them." Judokas: xD

[@brockgangell5759]

So true

[@Kwisatz-Chaderach]

Seoi nage is so cool tho!!

[@darylmckay]

Fabulous collaboration here Rokas! In the past 2 weeks I've been watching a lot of Steven Strangles People and enjoying his content. I vote for you guys doing more of these 100%. It's a great way to get your message across 😀

[@dswynne]

Steven is absolutely right. Bullies don't attack randomly; bullies attack specific people whom they think they can beat up with confidence.

[@ZenDragonYoutubeChannel]

Yong Li is not Shaolin, but has trained Sanda, Wing Chun and other Kung Fu styles (Xing Yi) I believe... the Ramsey Dewey interview is my source. He's mixing modern and traditional striking.

[@jezzaboi2168]

i believe the drama on him being shaolin comes from him being a shaolin disciple, which is a certificate you can get from the hunan shaolin temple, but doesn't indicate whether any training was done, and any training done is only taolu, along possibly (I can't verify if true) padding his record with cans in his early career

[@GuitarsRockForever]

@@jezzaboi2168 The monk was a marketing thing by his team. It was meant to sell more views/tickets, and it works.

[@danielbrealey2924]

I came here from Steven Strangles People's channel. Enjoyed the collaboration- very entertaining guys. Well done!!! 👍

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Thanks!

[@alfran1]

I once was reading in a book about Philosophy of Aikido where it was mentioned that the goal of Aikido (Tai-Iku) is to reach good sensibility of Ki-power and learn to adapt your Positipn and middle (Hara) to stay in harmony and freedom with all situations in life. Therefore no conflict and alos no fight even will appear. You will no longer create such situations. Ueshiba once said: "I don't teach you martrial art technics, I teach you nonviolence". The purpose of Aikido-Technics (Tai-Iku) are not self defence but a way of self development in showing principles of KI-Interaction: Ki-Iku; Toku-Iku and Chi-Iku. If you read more quotes from Ueshiba it clearly shows you that Aikido-Technics are a spiritual practise in order to get in harmony with the universe. The purpose was never for fighting but to learn to avoid fighting. That's what makes Aikido special. Edit: our childish hidden narcistic wish to develop some kind of super skills which alows us to dominate and defeat every enemy may make Aikido attractiv for a lot of people. But that is the opposite of Aikido.

[@joshualittlefield1576]

I think a lot of people miss judge what your trying to say. It's not that MMA is the only martial art that works, it's that only certain training principals works. Do karate, do taekwondo or Kung Fu, but pressure test and spar along the way.

[@MartialArtsJourney]

100%

[@watamutha]

I've done kung fu a long time and was thinking about this....I don't think it's an art that can be pressure tested. A lot of the moves are raking eyes, throat strikes, tearing at muscles and tendons. The only way to practice those is through slow movements and feeling it out and gradually just do it more smoothly which they currently already do. I mean you can pressure test the punches and kicks but then that's just kick boxing isnt it? So if that's the case then why pressure test kung fu, you might as well just do kickboxing. The only arts I think, that can be pressure tested are the ones in which you can do quickly, and with a small chance of injury.

[@Zz7722zZ]

@@watamutha what Chinese martial art do you actually train? Kung Fu is too vague a term, and styles like tai chi, hsing yi, baji, pigua, white crane, CLF etc are all capable of being pressure tested in accordance to stylistic principles without use of incapacitating techniques. Even if those techniques are very important in the art, there should be ways of modifying them for sparring; if you never train to bring those techniques into use under pressure, they will never be usable no matter how deadly they are supposed to be.

[@watamutha]

@@Zz7722zZ Baji, Hung gar, Eagle Claw, Wing Chun, 7 Star Mantis. I personally disagree with the pressure testing part...often if I want that I just join a MMA gym. I've seen kung fu masters attempt to pressure test it and it just ends up looking like crappy kick boxing. I just accept every art for the limitations that they have. People often cite Sanda as pressure tested kung fu, but again, it's just a variation of kickboxing, it lacks a lot of the characteristics of the individual disciplines of kung fu.

[@Zz7722zZ]

@@watamutha if you disagree with pressure testing you are essentially conceding that these arts are non-functional ones as what Rokas said. To me, the reason why TCMA practitioners end up basically doing kickboxing when testing against modern sport fighters is precisely because they do not know how their art is supposed to be used. Pressure testing within one’s own style/school is more important and fundamental compared to going out and testing against modern combat sports; only then can you really understand how the characteristics of your style can be brought into play. After you know how to fight with your style then can you look for an appropriate avenue to test against others. The kickboxing type of exchange is not the default type of fighting engagement; but it is the one most people think of now thanks to sports and movies.

[@etherealicer]

I totally agree on the pacifist part. You can't be a pacifist unless you actually could fight but choose not to. Kinda funny, Louis Rossman did a video with a similar message about selling out. I guess it all boils down to variations of "without fear there is no courage".

[@bigorstojanov184]

actually, that what people who do not how to fight do. The could go into the fight but they just don't do it, regardless if they thing they would be beaten up or not. Pacifism is about ethical principles it is not about courage. It not about street fights, but than again you people cannot thing of any other contexts. "You are not a real pacifist, if you don't know how to fight" is product of a undeveloped juvenile mind set who still live in their teens when they were bullied in high school

[@stickgarrote8582]

No, there are no requirements like that for pacifism. It is choosing a non-violent response to a conflict regardless of the cost. Nothing to do with ability and everything to do with choice and the willingness to pay the price for it.

[@guy8700]

“If you don’t know how to fight, you are not a pacifist, because you don’t have the option to chose…” That struck a chord with me. I have taken up bjj and feel way more confident (or shall we say knowing limitations of my skills in a stress test) than I ever did learning bujinkan ninjitsu over the 10 years.

[@michaelmartinez3893]

I did and do Shuri Ryu karate and we sparred 3 times a week. Twice full contact, once point fighting for tournaments. As we ranked up, we'd have to fight multiple opponents. Loved my school. I tried a bunch of places before I found them.

[@PWCTran]

I feel like I'm an outlier. So long story short, wrestled in HS, huge ufc fan boy. Went to my colleges kung Fu club and... got hopelessly demolished. It also didn't help that at the same time, I was training mma at basically a mcdojo that never sparred but at this small little club we spent hours sparring...

[@rcarfang2]

How does a MMA gym do no sparring? Was it MMA or cardio kick boxing?

[@f1r3hunt3rz5]

Wait how does your wrestling not prevent you from getting demolished? Just take them down and pin them, right?

[@OldManJ3nkins]

I really respect what Rokas is saying at the end about men needing some kind of, like, aggression. He says that he thinks the passive and sensitive nature of Aikido is bad for men if it isn't balanced, so he doesn't say "men need to be aggressive". The way I take that is that he's saying men need some sort of physicality in addition to the emotional and sensitive side. I never get angry and I feel like that's probably not great, even if anger is a secondary emotion. I have never been in a fight, either, and it's something I've always wanted to do. I want someone to punch me in the face while I try in vain to defend myself and maybe get a lucky shot in. I think Rokas is right, I feel lacking without it, it would give me a lot of confidence to say that I had at least had the experience. Steven talks about it all the time, when people think they know what's up then they step into the ring or the cage and get rocked and their whole reality gets rocked, too. I don't have any illusions that I would be good in a fight at least, I haven't trained in fighting I won't be good at it. But it would feel good to feed some of my emotions into hitting some pads or the bag. It would make me feel more masculine and secure to punch something as hard as I can. Probably no one is going to see this but it felt good to type it. I have a lifetime membership at the karate studio I went to in high school, now it's called Ultimate Martial Arts so hopefully they teach some grappling too now. It's definitely good for men to be in touch with their emotions, but I feel like I've ignored the other side of that coin. I really hope it works out, man it would be cool to train again. Thanks, Rokas.

[@gabrieltorres2882]

At 20 (I'm now 47), I took the journey you're taking now. I went from TKD (my brother's school!) to Okinawan Kenpo to Judo and BJJ. I also took capoeira for two years (for fun). VERY enlightening.

[@davidjuby7392]

to me the biggest issue with the lack of effectiveness of traditional martial arts is that most of them had tremendous conditioning programs to create the body needed for that specific art. This is always the first thing that is dropped as the art is taken from its traditional roots and turned into a school for money as almost no one will put in the time and pain required.

[@UtahSustainGardening]

When I was taking Aikido I never thought is was the ultimate fighting martial art. But it met my needs for the time and it is still something I respect as a martial way. And it provided skills I desperately needed to move on with other parts of my life.

[@ShaitanhammedPlagiarISLAM]

Skills like tying a ponytail? Trying a wrist grip and getting arm barred ? 😉😂

[@DirectorHMAN]

Being sensitive has nothing to do with not being a man. Sensitivity is awareness. Its a feminine energy, but it doesnt mean you aren't a man. Artists have to be sensitive, teachers have to be sensitive. You can be strong, powerful, grounded and sensitive.

[@Tentacl]

20:29 as someone who trained both traditional kung fu and aikido for multiple years during my teen years, now in love with Muay Thai and BJJ, I think a LOT of people in aikido love the (unrealistic) potential of being almost a magician, but even more than that there's a true magic in seeking truth through martial arts. As we become adults, life is so convoluted and complicated it's actually so refreshing to go to the Dojo and, withou any BS, just try your best, defeat and be defeat in the most real and honest manner.

[@jimcarroll9738]

Regarding the whole superpowers/supernatural thing: I was stuck in that particular rut (fantasy) for most of my life. While I'm not looking to get concussed through practice, I finally realized about 5 years ago that it's better to get the occasional padded glove lightly to the face/head to really cut back on the flinch/freeze reaction and better develop constructive movements, such as slip/roll/etc. That, and training against someone who is actively trying to defend while I'm trying to attack, and attack while I'm trying to defend, all at the same time. Making that shift in thinking took some time, much of it while wrestling with cognitive dissonance.

[@zompreacher]

Love this Collab. I've been following you since before you began MMA. Love this so much

[@kingkorash]

Love the collaboration with Steven, he's great! My dream video would be you Steven, and icy mike sparing. That would be very entertaining.

[@tomo2807]

Oh yes More in depth analysis videos! Great idea for a game 😁

[@yesbutactuallyno8305]

Two of my favourite KZbinrs in the same video... Brilliant combo! Xie Wei is an actual Shaolin monk turned MMA fighter in ONE FC and he is very talented and interesting to watch

[@brianokane1698]

The environment for sure! I grew up in Derry Northern Ireland small town Limavady no no sense. I was a sweet kid got bullied then started Karate at 15 years young. but our teacher would push us to go semi/ full contact. my club friends would really try to hurt each other. I was blessed to have speed and good technique and after a year plus you get over the being hurt factor and I remember catching my club friends with kicks or punches and knocking them on their assss. I cracked my black belt teacher with a spinning back kick behind his ear and it hit hard he dropped and the female black belt Nula sensei roared with delight. Other brown belts and higher level students loved to spare with me ,and they would howl with joy because I would actually try to fight for real, I got in trouble for taking off my gi and doing the whole Bruce Lee thing. This is back in 74, We're Irish we wanted to hurt each other. I got in two real street fights and all the training went out the window except the trying to do damage and not get hurt. Some friends and the local hard man said it was the best fight they have ever seen I got a busted lip and nose the other guy who was a childhood friend had brusec ribs and ego, no one messed with me after that, small town mentally. Fight for real is the only way to understand and know - concrete footpaths and brick walls, metal lamposts, and someone other dude beating on you is the raw reality. Cheers guys a 60 years young Irish man in Japan

[@bcd2107]

Imagine training for years and getting beat up in your first fight by someone that's never trained anything. Some of these would actually make people less able to defend themself in a fight.

[@AsymmetricalAce]

Yo two of my favorite KZbinrs in one video!

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Thanks!

[@BacatauMania]

@@MartialArtsJourney Rokas, what martial art that you mention in 20:29? How do I write this?

[@LemmyAuditYou]

I saw Steven's video a few minutes ago, glad to see you two making a video.

[@katherinerader4263]

Enjoying the video. We are part of a non contact traditional Okinawa Shitoryu Karate organization that trains kids and adults without true sparring. In the past, it was full contact and competition oriented, but hasn’t been that way since I joined in 2000. We train on how to fall, hand releases, basics, body dynamics, basic take downs, history of the art, 54 empty hand kata, bunkai, philosophy of the art, avoiding fights and getting to safety, multiple weapons kata with bo, jo, Sai, knife, Kama, Katana. We usually do not use protective gear, so my worst injuries have been handling sharp and heavy full sized weapons or controlled sparring accidents. Generally we aim at vital targets, and do not make contact. We also spend a lot of time with techniques and learning and dissecting kata. Students usually use our art for self development. However, some do use it for the more martial aspect. The weakest aspect of the art is the ground game. My son, who trains with crazy conditioning against bags, runs barefoot, hits and breaks trees for kindling, and strikes buckets of sand to strengthen his fingers, has been trying out different martial arts at Ohio State University. Even though he is only 5 foot 3 inches, he has immediately been bumped to the intermediate groups for full contact Mai Tai Kickboxing and pure boxing. He holds his own against the big guys and usually gets more points than all but a handful of opponents. He can’t Go all out as he would likely injure most of his opponents or he would be seriously injured. He definitely kicks hard above his weight class and is very fast in striking. He also has to sign waiver forms and is wary of getting a serious injury. The two new things that he has needed to learn is boxing technique and jujitsu techniques. His jujitsu is only basic, but his stand up is good enough that he often gets picked to demonstrate techniques such as kicking. Our school also has many Akido type hand releases and grappling techniques that just aren’t practical if you are wearing protective gear like gloves. And if you complete them, they are meant to escape, submit or do serious harm to an untrained opponent. My son finds his traditional Karate training has been very useful in full contact Mai Tai sparring in kicking, switching stances, getting his opponent off balance or on the back foot, surprising his opponent, clinching, avoiding taking a fall, and knowing how to fall. Then there are the weapons. My son was surprised that many of his martial arts friends have not had weapons training. In general, he feels that although he didn’t grow up doing the type of contact sparring that he does now; he was well prepared for different types of sparring except jujitsu . Even so, he often surprises his opponents there as well. Some of the other groups that he has trained with aren’t training at the level that he currently desires. He is training with the Taikwando group since he has a lot of friends there. He was invited to train with their advance group as a lot of it mirrors his Karate training. Many students have won national level competitions and they often ask him what awards he has. He finds it amusing as he trained in a non contact dojo although we do have contact for demonstrating technique and as we don’t use protective gear, we do get hurt at times, usually with the weapons. It is no picnic to get hit with a Sai or Bo as you might need medical attention thereafter. I’m old now and a woman, but still enjoy and practice the art. I am not a Sensei and only 2nd Dan, but I help teach beginners. I don’t have the conditioning that my son has by any means, so I wouldn’t be interested in sparring. Especially now, as I have had to recover from multiple injuries over the years.

[@katherinerader4263]

Correction, He is in the advanced group for Muay Thai (spelling?), advanced group in Taekwando, intermediate group for boxing and, not surprisingly, a beginner in Jijitsu. He mostly does Muay Thai and boxing right now as he enjoys them the most. Despite the size difference, his Karate training and extreme physical training allows him to spar and hold his own against the largest opponents and most experienced due to his speed and ability to kick and punch above his weight class. Additionally, his foot work and blocking techniques are good, he has amazing flexibility, and he shifts between multiple stances and combinations from either the left or the right. So even though, his Karate training previously was non contact, it translated well into contact sports.

[@TheWeebs1968]

Love these collaborations fellas. Keep ‘em up

[@jaimeflor4181]

I agree w/ Steven in regards to your environments influence. I'm not much of a martial artist anymore, but I grew up in bad neighborhood and got into fights at school a lot. Although Taekwondo isn't perfect, my masters dojang was also in a bad neighborhood. I was young too, and as soon as it became apparent that fighting untrained opponents was easy, I stopped getting into fights. So function was always on mind, but I was curious about the spiritual aspects. At this point in my life, having degenerative disc disease prevents me from doing anything too physical, but I actually do like meditation.

[@KuDastardly]

The pacifism discussion reminds me of a scene in Karate Kid when Mr. Miyagi was pleased with Daniel's answer to _"Then why train?"_ leading to the response, _"So that I don't have to fight."_

[@Lietonator]

I'm probably the umpteenth person to comment this on a two-year-old post, but I believe that repetition is the essence of learning. Reinventing aikido is definitely something that would add value to the martial arts world, and if you would be up to it - at some point, and if your leg lets you train again - you would indeed be the best guy to gather the group for it. In my country (Finland) I have had the incredible pleasure to be on the receiving end of a kotegaeshi done in a pressure situation by an aikido guy who cross-trains and loves hard sparring. (My arm was fine but he did find the pinched nerve that's been fucking me up for years!) He's not the only one that does aikido like that, either, so if you would be interested in that kind of a project down the line, I'm absolutely sure there are people to do it with. They just have to be dragged out from their dojos.

[@RealBillyGarcia]

Thanks for posting. It’s been a little while since your last video. Glad to see you back. 😎🤙🏽

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Preparing for the wedding! Thanks 😊🙏

[@RealBillyGarcia]

@@MartialArtsJourney Many blessings.

[@nikolaosmandamandiotis8970]

I remember I was getting bullied in school till 10 years old then some friends were doing kick boxing , I thought about it and got in my mind that kick boxing has speed along with power and kicks along with punches . I was thinking boxing has only punches and karate only kicks , I wasn't into grappling arts because I was kinda smaller to my bullies so kickboxing it was . I remember my thoughts over martial arts and now i realise I was a smart kid though I thought that with training you could learn how to be a superhero and exceed physical laws ! When you are a kid you can do many mistakes about the real world , I mean you see all these cartoons with wrong laws of physics etc and your mind can play tricks on you , so if you follow some friends you can easily end up in a bullshido dojo and lose your grip to reality to that extend I was lucky my friends were doing kickboxing! The more years you invest to a fake art the more you become attached to it , thank God now we have ways to really pressure test and have reality checks to see what's real and what's not . I think as children we are little scientist that pressure test reality and then civilization comes and distorts the reality of our world , it becomes more on who said what and how recognized he is and less on how right he is ,that's the bigger issue. In society we follow cults and idols all the time , there is the fashion cult , the television cult , the music cult , the money cult,the technology cult etc. The more a cult is closer to reality the harder it is to escape.

[@derrrick7759]

7:50. Good point, guys. There are disciplined people out there that will put in the work, but sometimes the art limits their abilities. That’s in all aspects in life IMO.

[@muffineck9890]

and whats masculated...judging a book by its cover, adding ya lil truth prior to any knowledge. God yall have increased my love for traditional, kata, line drills & point sparring...huge like. Thank ya much li'l absolutes...yall have a nice day.

[@Adoxyss]

Yi Long isn't actually a shaolin monk btw, he says he plays the role of a shaolin for marketing purposes. He's main martial art is actually sanda I believe, with other kung fu influences, such as wing chun

[@timvreeland4971]

I gotta say I think you two have a great dynamic. This was highly entertaining and I would love to see some more stuff like this just for the laughs.

[@punawelewele]

"I bet you've never seen this before". "No, what is it"? "Actual Aikido ". 😆 Lol. Shows how much b.s. martial arts has flooded our media.

[@ryancummings5295]

Just commenting for: 1: algoboost 2: give credit for your self reflection and willingness to adapt and in this extreme case, mostly leave your past ego... and in this moment, you are evolved, likely for the better; at least when it comes to going to war. 3. I'm a tennis instructor and can appreciate your videos as there are some similarities when it comes to the individual aspects of martial arts (mixed or otherwise). We have 4 components of development: physical, technical, tactical, and mental skills. To win, you don't have to have to be the best in any one particular area, but you have to have enough to be competitive; if you can't be competitive, you can't win... or at the very least, will be so vulnerable defending you can't expend resources on exploiting their weakness. And so to my fellow traveler... safe travels and keep up the great vids!

[@bjjthaiboxing]

The white dude with orange shirt who challenges Aikido black belt? Was "BJJ Blue Belt." He was demonstrating functionality. He gave the instructor a couple chances to stop him. Even let the top student try and stop him. Surprisingly, this Aikido class was enthusiastic about the jujitsu.

[@robertherbst9487]

you are a very big person for showing who you were. lots of people go the way of the "mystic" and its the content that you provide that keeps them from being older people that go the way of the "mystic"

[@kodokudeusotsuki]

Very good point, BJJ has all the elements of bullshido. Fancy moves, it doesn't require body conditioning, it advertises itself as more powerful than any other martial arts (in ground situation), it looks stupid, and yet it is effective. To me it means that most the criteria used to define what bullshido is is invalid. I'm very careful before calling something bullshido. I'd rather experiment it first hand to make my own opinion. I'd love to see Rokas having sparring with Systema/Wing Chun/Aikido/Taiji/etc people.

[@NeilBlanco]

Great collab! Love both your content... ✌

[@IOEILMIOZAINO]

Amazing video! great collaboration!!!

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Thank you!

[@Armelier]

Steven #StrangleGang!

[@zenmaster_mah3068]

Gang gang

[@OniFeez]

I learnt to fight via Taekwondo when I was still in High School and I completely agree with Steven that you just become a better person. I admit I probably wouldn't know what to do if someone got me onto the ground (although I would strike at their legs first to try and prevent that), but in general you do gain just the humility that comes from confidence that you know you could defeat most people your age etc. I also didn't grow up in a super violent environment either so the threat was undoubtedly lessened. All I had to put up with for a time was the school yard bullying, but even that disappeared with time as my school cohort generally grew up, and people learnt that I did martial arts and I guess the natural confidence just started to manifest in other ways.

[@komigear1]

Respect, you are for sure on point on all in your thinking .

[@henrys3138]

This video was hilarious, thanks Rokas.

[@MartialArtsJourney]

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[@anumvella5682]

I got the feeling that Steven, even though seems very knowledgeable, just felt bad for having guessed wrong in the case of akban and so tried to save face. It was not done very gracefully. Kubi Nage exists even in 'recognized as working' martial arts like Judo. Also the comment about not turning one's back etc. For all the good things he said, it just shows nobody's perfect :)

[@Geofas]

Great video! True edutainment. Thanks.

[@dessaune1]

Dude… 19:44 was dope! I don’t know what else to say :) Your channel is so good,man. I absolutely love it

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

5:10 Me, a Judoka: But for real man. Turning your back isn't "always" bad. Many throws come from there

[@Kwisatz-Chaderach]

Jujitsu guys are scared of giving up the back...becuase they don't know how to throw.

[@a-blivvy-yus]

On the topic of traditional martial arts, how practical they end up being depends on where and how you're trained, much moreso than the art you trained in. I did karate and I *did* learn to be confident in what I was being taught. But my dojo had most students training both light contact and medium contact sparring. Light sparring had some restrictions on takedowns, throws weren't allowed, and any strike had to be pulled before it landed, stopping without actually putting force into the opponent. Medium contact allowed all takedowns and throws, and full contact strikes to anywhere but the head or groin. Only black belts were allowed to do full contact sparring, and then only while wearing protective gear to keep the normally off-limits areas of the body safe. We had pretty good pressure testing of our techniques because of this, and there were techniques which most karate doesn't use and we did (notably the grappling) as well as moves they teach and we don't, which were removed from our style because they failed pressure tests and were replaced by more effective techniques. We were also encourated to spar with people with different martial arts backgrounds from our own, to get experience seeing how martial artists from other styles fight and figure out how to - and if we could - counter their techniques with our own.

[@austinfuller8323]

12:33 I can fully attest to the "Professional Bias" when it comes to Martial Arts credibility. I can tell you first hand as a Marine Corps Infantry combat Vet, they teach this in house martial art called "McMap"(Marine Corps Martial Arts Program). Me having a heavy MMA background, I used to WIPE THE FLOOR with McMap "Black belts". The only ones that were formidable foes in the Sandpit we fought in, were the Black belts with red tabs. The red tabs represent them having proof of mastery in a outside discipline such as being a accredited BJJ purple/black belt or pro boxer for example. For every red tab they add to the Belt, it represents a mastered outside discipline. Any of the guys I went against who had red tabs in arts that werent bullshido were good fighters. But as far as the just standard McMap black belts(they do have to do a shit ton of extra work and a few schools to earn the black belt including testing out), they learned just enough to get thier asses whooped graciously and im absolutely sure there are a large number of civilians, some maybe even having combat sports backgrounds that think because they are "Marine Corps Martial Arts" tested black belts, they surely are badasses that can "kick your ass". Let me be the one first hand to tell you... They are not, and if they are, its solely because of Natural Born Talent, brute physical strength, or knowledge of outside Arts in unison with thier McMap belts (having a higher belt goes toward promotional points for a higher rank so some Marines even if they know its trash will get a black belt simply to be more competitive when being looked at for promotion which mind you, in the Marine Corps Infantry is a BITCH like you would not believe). So many 4 year combat decorated E-3s its not even funny. Got very blessed myself and was your extremely rare 3 year Corporal/NCO (leadership rank). Had guys around me with purple hearts and multiple combat deployments STILL as 4-5year Lances (E-3)s. Needless to say i had to bulk tf up and be a badass proven fighter in my Platoon and take down the 280lbs solid muscle HGH injecting Marines to command the respect i needed to lead Marines into combat and them fully trust my leadership without question or hesitation. I had a squad of Killers needless to say that i was proud to take to Afghanistan in 2013.

[@kenhellberg7973]

i have never seen you guys before and I am very impressed with your intelligence and insight to the presented situations. You also seem to be full of yourselves egowise. Thank you

[@austinfuller8323]

5:44 I love the whole practice of Subtracting the fluff out of their art and focus on what he calls "High Pressure Techniques". This is what makes a gym or trainer set themselves apart and make them great by taking out the trash and keeping thier styles fluent and relevant to functuonality, proving they are in touch with true fighting and competition. This is why Bare knuckle boxing back in the day had the old school "Popeye The Sailor" Boxing stance and it has evolved to now the close range defense with variations like Mike Tysons Peek a Boo or Mayweathers now famous "Modified Philly shell" well call it.

[@bongkem2723]

people who do "fake" martial arts are usually weak and afraid of getting hurt (during hard sparring) so they choose "soft" martial arts and hope it will work out in the end (after years of training) but we all know the outcome, you fight the way you train !!!

[@kyle8027]

Austin 3:16 says I just whooped your a**...I was a attitude Era kid ..loved it

[@FonzieKree]

You two are.... magnificent

[@spielfreizeitmitm.o.d.4277]

In my youth i trained a mix betwenn judo and ju jitsu. We train very slow but disciplined. Lern to fall etc. After one and half year of training, on my schoolyard i get attacked. One guy try to hit me straight wirh his fist, before i can think, my body react and i grabbed his arm amd throw him over my shoulder, and the put him with the same arm in a grip. I was very surprised that this function because we trained so slow. After that situation i start to train very hard cause i knew after that point, it is worth. I am now 48 years old and did'n't train for 30 years but two days ago i sleeped with my e-scooter (21 kmh) and by falling i was fast enough to think to fall on one side and slap with the right arm to the ground to keep my head away from the ground. Again, this fall training from my youth has payed out more than once. A good dojo is very helpfuel in life. 😉

[@ericmattison3863]

I really enjoyed this collab

[@jordanreese761]

Rokas i love your videos man. I used to practice aikido and was humbled pretty often. I started training in BJJ and wrestling after that and i think you should try greco roman wrestling. As a 2x greco roman state champion i can say that greco came pretty naturally after coming from an aikido background! It also gave me incredible physical and mental conditioning to kind of compensate for the lack of the physical aspect in aikido! Just a suggestion I think you would like it!

[@MartialArtsJourney]

That sounds great!

[@modernchow]

I really like what you and Steven said about passivism. I never thought about it that way and I think what you said it absolutely right about the differences. Makes me want to train and choose passivism and not just accept that I don't have tools in a confrontation, haha

[@elijasuiters9932]

My grandpa put me in karate when I was young. He used to tell me that judo was all you needed. He's a big guy, so with his judo and football experience he never got in a fight where he couldn't just toss the guy around. He had an aikido friend he tossed around. I felt like karate was more mystical, so I wanted to do that. Also in middleschool I fought a wrestler. In my head I was like "I did karate when I was younger, and grandpa taught me a judo throw, so I'm basically a complete martial artist." The guy took me down and smashed me without throwing a kick or a punch. In highschool I went to a boxing gym for a while and grappled with friends for fun. Then did weightlifting senior year. I still don't think I had really begun my martial arts journey even though I thought I did. I got my techniques from ea sports mma on ps3, and shitty martial arts books from book stores. I was one of those cringe "I train ufc" kids. I fought anyone when I got the chance (it was pretty rare) After highschool I gym hopped a lot, and now I've finally settled on bjj, because I like the sport, and have decided that I don't want brain damage from fighting friends like I had been doing. Delusions evolve before they disappear. I was delusional long after I stopped believing in chi and magic ninjas.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Karate is fake. I keep telling others to avoid it. Seeing them punched by a Boxer even when boxing is not that effective teaches them reality.

[@elijasuiters9932]

@@silverhawkscape2677 If by fake you mean not optimal for a fight, then I agree. Even old school full contact karate, or even older okinawan karate with grappling were not 100% optimal for fighting. However not everyone does martial arts for fighting or self defense. Some people just enjoy point sparring or kicking pads. Same way that you wouldn't play football to become a fighter. The only difference is that some karate schools try to sell their karate as something it's not. Cause to be fair I've never heard a football coach say that their football training will allow you to beat up multiple big strong guys twice your size. So you could also argue that a lot of karate is "fake" in that some teachers spew bullshit about what their karate is and isn't.

[@antonicv88]

Nice colaboration dude. i actualy miss the pony tail xD Love from Barcelona

[@grnhrntskato]

Traditional martial arts in it’s proper form and trained the way it was meant, can be very effective in an actual fight. Keep in mind that proficiency is meant to be developed over many years of conditioning and practice. As well, the premise is that it’s practitioners are not there to learn to beat people up but to learn how to defend themselves or others. Olympic freestyle wrestling, Shotokan Karate and Judo served me well over my 38 years of policing.

[@herrderfinsterins104]

Stevan Segal shows us how bad ass Aikido is!

[@blaa443blaa2]

the thing why We don't want to go straight into the functional and realism, is that we want our lifes to be a journey, an experience, an adventure. I get it why someone living in rough environment need to get quicker into the functional stuff but I totally get why others want to take the long route, to experience things, to find out THEMSELVES that these fantastical things don't work. Life is all about the journey, not the destination.

[@luisrivera1664]

As a black belt in aikido I realize that as a street defensive art, unfortunately is not true, that's y I started judo, love you're channel, keep up the good work, and go BRONX!!!!

[@GHOSTofYOSHIMITSU]

@@shalom-shalom ive been thinking about it and it seems its the scientists who really have us by the balls am i right lol that biological warfare is a **** lol i guess it's true when they say... " the geek shall inherit the earth " lol

[@Zycyzyx]

You knock the ponytail but that was definitely a look. I can totally see the mystical, peaceful samurai thing going on there.

[@GodzillaReturnsMMA]

i had good experiences with aikido when i attended a local dojo recommended by my Tessen/metal fan Instructor. At the time my main study was judo (for school). I was drawn in because it was being taught as an art form, with extreme Exaggerations and manipulations shown as a piece of a play. However once i reached Nidan and met others from different dojos, i Quickly realized 99% of practicioners were NOT ground in reality and either believed their skills were better than any other styles, or their "spiritual" aspect ruined the art. Basically they loved the smell of their farts and were genuinely offended if you didnt.

[@rickyfitz9036]

I took Aikdo as a kid in the mid 90s growing up as a Steven Segal fan from his movies at that particular time. I learned a lot of confidence interesting techniques that did would work in a typical confrontational situations during high school dealing with controlling an aggressor the and having a basic grasp of knowing how to use my body in psychical situations which would be my take away looking back. Buy always knew deep down wouldn’t be effective in a combat sport situation. And being a UFC fan over the years I accepted the fact that no single skillset style is effective in a true MMA situation.

[@rohitchaoji]

Sometimes people do have that humbling experience that Steven is talking about, but they never learn from it!

[@nikvalinsky]

You don't *need* to be kicking banana trees or rubbing your shins, but heck there are a lot of great fighters that swear by that stuff including Wonderboy!

[@zorgath420]

Im doing a recerse rokas, i started in mma but now im beginning to venture into more traditional martial arts. Definitely glad i did it in this order lol

[@duncan680]

Great Vid loved it. But I find it so weird nobody seems to know the background of Aikido. Aikido was used by the samourai class. If you picture a Katana in the hands of an Aikido practitioner and then look at the movements it start to make sence. Large round movements because you still could be holding your katana making these techniques. For example, you holding your katana. Someone reaches for your hands to control them and your weapon. Then Aikido techniques were used to free themself from the hold. Aikido on its own does work if you can grab and take hold of someones hand or arm. But then they have to attack in a certain way I hear some ppl say. True but thats because these techniques were invented in case someone would try to take hold of your arm or hand in which you were holding your weapon. Aikido isnt fake. I myself practice Kyohushin karate and we had the pleasure to experience the joint locks set by a Aikido black belt. It hurts like hell. And because you dont want to hurt your own joints when they make a movement you actually go with the flow and start rolling over to protect your own joints. Nowdays I wouldnt count on Aikido to be practical on the streets. But it has a great historical back ground. Jiu-jitsudo and Judo are the more practical forms as they basically use the same techniques but then in a actually sparring setting. And @17:44 that aint a Kyokushin karateka. His stance and sparring look like Shotokan to me. But then again you also have fake Shotokan dojo's because the Shotokan karateka's Im familair with lower grade belts are better then this guy.

[@bjornf8518]

As for functionality, I have practiced traditional as well as more pragmatic martial arts, and one thing I learned about functionality is, that footwork is key. I practiced Muay Thai, and I sparred with this huge guy that hit like a sledgehammer, but coming off Taekwondo and Shotokan, I could dance around him, hitting him from unexpected angles, etc. Did I win? Not a chance! But that was basically because I had to fight by Muay Thai rules. I don't mean that I missed the point system of Shotokan, but if someone messes with me on the street, and I realize that I can simply keep my distance from him, why would I get in close? That would just score me a lawsuit.

[@Pifagorass]

I grew up in a ruth environment with 5 Russian speaking have beaten me and my friend to the level we visited a hospital 😮 I told my son that knowing technical stand-up would probably safe my ribs and ankle not being broken (as i had some striking foundations). Now my sons grows in a one of the most expensive and save suburbs in the continent and got enrolled in JJJ infants class, BJJ for last 3 years and Shinkiokushin for more than 1 year. Just to get fitness level up, confidence, and be ready for the change of conditions. So far defended himself from much bigger attacker once, but also went to hospital from elbow twisted as agreed in a adhoc friendly fighting challenge in a playground 😢 - mixed results...

[@pw2869]

Funny - when I was training karate it was said in the beginning that this is a sport - it has rules - nothing to do with real world fighting, then non the less the training was enhanced by boxing and kickboxing, even muai thai. Even then we were always told explicit that this or that technique is not allowed in the competition because it may harm the opponent - so there you have it. A friend of mine was training some military karate. We sparred once and it was humiliating for him.

[@RadicalTrivia]

This is why I love KZbin. The crossovers happen without the fans even asking.🤣 I mean to train with both of you at some point! Also, I just finished the first of a series of WWF moves for jiujitsu. Or WWE, if you insist on being an asshole.

[@mxvrdahegaouwu7577]

Great guest

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Steven is awesome!

[@flipkiller8521]

Training in Shotokan Karate helped me out tremendously when I started training in Muay Thai and Judo.

[@MMASimplified]

For me It helped me too "see" better and learn faster in wrestling but wrestling is a completely different sport lol so I was surprised

[@tac3523]

Taekwondo ka here. took kickboxing to test my Taekwondo. Roundhouse, Sidekicks, spinning sidekicks work. and I learned leg kicks to counter boxers. feeling much more confident

[@iNightTiger]

Hey great video ! The "shaolin" guy is, I believe, a Sanda fighter. His name is Yi Long and he even beat Buakaw I believe. Keep up the good work :)

[@JulianLiebeck]

Love these vids!

[@mikehrt]

The Shotokan school in Suffolk in the 80s also did Ju Jutsu (spelled that way on the sign) and they rolled in pads, but it was Japanese, not BJJ.

[@kenhellberg7973]

In the last clip I felt the guy in white was Wing Chun and the other MMA or Muay Thai. I've seen several Wing Chun guys get knocked out by an overhand right because Wing Chun doesn't seem to have karates' (for instance) upper block. I could be wrong, just an observation. Great show, no ego etc.

[@Tinyflower1]

About the traditional stuff, it really depends, with karate we see a lot of traditional stuff being more functional and making more sense than modern karate. Same goes for wing chun, it used to have real sparring, nowadays most clubs confuse chi sao with sparring (which it is not).

[@nathanieltillman2355]

The Colab of the year!

[@christophervelez1561]

I love this crossover! It’s almost a good cop bad cop vibe I feel from this video.

[@MartialArtsJourney]

😁🙏

[@fragilis_mal3485]

"There is a type of person who wants functionality but usually they are also anime geeks they want that supernatural to work...." Damn Rokas! "Your words cut deep, deeper than any blade" ~Zabuza

[@Sick_Boy]

Gah, I was subbed to you awhile back. Really despise YT stealth-unsubbing channels. Fixed.✌️😉🍻

[@bjjthaiboxing]

I'm a big Steven strangles fan... Oss!

[@austinfuller8323]

Reminds me of the Loiter Squad skit: "Twelve years a slave". When Lionel is "auditioning" and Earl, as the Director says "Here comes Master, heres master " and hes acting terrified 😂. Thats the way i think these bullshido guys want people to see them and fear them 😅.

[@plousho1947]

Rokas always designs great point games.