I've read a study recently about the increase in running economy with carbon plated high stack shoes. It turns out that efficient runners with higher cadence, lower stride rate and low vertical oscillation do not benefit much from such shoes (at least for shorter distances, at which these shoes were tested). Add the instability from the ZoomX in the genuine Vaporfly, as you are accustomed to running in racing flats and your efficiency can possibly turn out lower than in the fake one. I think that you have to adapt to the genuine one and will see some improvement then. Usually runners in "super" shoes have a lower cadence and increase their stride length more than cadence at faster paces. This is the opposite to running in racing flats. And the fake one is a scary good copy.
@JonathanJScottFilms3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the insightful comment, very interesting and makes a lot of sense.
@richc80953 жыл бұрын
Have you cut them open yet to see what's inside?
@JonathanJScottFilms3 жыл бұрын
@@richc8095 not yet, still have a lot of life in them.
@HashBrownDoyler Жыл бұрын
Hello you say “higher cadence, lower stride rate” is cadence and stride rate not the same thing? Thank you.
@scarletblaze Жыл бұрын
I was looking for some fake Vaporfly Next 3 in Jakarta a couple days ago. Tbh, it's really hard to tell the difference (aside from missing carbon platings) and they're super light like the originals. For about 15-20% of the price of the genuines (only about 30-ish USD), they're about as good as the non-carbon Hokas and Vaporflys.
@TheRunLife3 жыл бұрын
The Vaporfly Next% provide both greater efficiency than do non- carbon plated shoes AND the ZoomX foam provides reduced leg fatigue over a full marathon distance, thus decreasing form breakdown during the final few kms in the marathon. This reduction of leg fatigue just doesn’t come into play during your treadmill 5km test. Assuming the fake and actual Vaporfly’s weigh exactly the same, perhaps it is the firmer insole of the fake which provides greater energy return on the treadmill deck than does the more cushioned insole of the genuine shoe. Were you to repeat the test over a full marathon distance, I suspect you would get a very different result. You might also want repeat to the test on a non-cushioned, slat-based treadmill in order to better replicate a road surface.
@JonathanJScottFilms3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your input Terry, really interesting stuff.
@danielsitohang73782 ай бұрын
This the best comparison ever, thanks
@JonathanJScottFilms2 ай бұрын
@@danielsitohang7378 you're welcome.
@zixednatz3 жыл бұрын
I was skeptical of your fake vaporfly first but when i also compared the bottom swoosh with my pink VFN, yes yours are scarily fake indeed.
@faezskywalker2 жыл бұрын
best analysis so far
@JonathanJScottFilms2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you liked it
@JancisRevanced7 ай бұрын
Is there any chance that fake Vaporfly's without that magic carbon plate is better than any budged running shoes?
@penzuugi3 жыл бұрын
Oh, interesting result! The one you got have real carbon plate inside with EVA foam vs OG with zoomx foam. Though eva foam is definitely not bad foam, mediocre at best ( ummm Hoka?? ), i do think that geometry of the plate inside + shoe shape helps a lot, at least in short distance compared to other fake one without plate inside it! But thanks for review anyway, very insightful! I do think that you will be noticing ZoomX magic more when running on asphalt roads or pavement road instead of treadmill with soft landing on it, but still good EVA foam is still a thing and can be seen still in many "premium" shoes...
@JonathanJScottFilms3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input 👍
@RIED-2023 Жыл бұрын
seriously??? hahaha , good job Jon for those information! You're not going to believe this, but I got mine for only $30.00, the fake one chinese made, and my red tone color (genuine original) was a sale of $200.00 from a NIKE boutique mall. What really disturbs me was the weight itself. Your right, they're almost the same . Interesting right?
@יהבמרציאנו-ט7ג Жыл бұрын
Have you opened them eventually?
@icrlp0570 Жыл бұрын
great vid. what factor do you get for your old racing flats?
@JonathanJScottFilms Жыл бұрын
It was along time ago but like I said in the video, the old race flats were about 3% slower for the same heart rate so about 5secs/km slower.
@flyant321 Жыл бұрын
doesn't matter fake or original.. it's all about your strength and fitness..
@angelgalarza68522 жыл бұрын
I think I found myself on the same boat, I got a pair out of eBay, and then one from Nike and the ones from nike feel stiffer, but also to be fair he has 2 completely different shoes, Next% vs Next%2
@tortugasgadgets2 жыл бұрын
Im gonna try to buy a fake Nike trails to see if it's good! nice video!
@GrilledChickenRamyun Жыл бұрын
Any updatez?
@tortugasgadgets Жыл бұрын
@@GrilledChickenRamyun i bought originals... Nike pegasus trail 4 really cushiony but I don't like it coz I use it for astro turf and hockey....if for trails it's really good
@玉自寒-b7l3 жыл бұрын
Two things: There is a version of fake next% in Qingdao China which have the real bottom but a fake top,I think you got one of these; The Fake one is a Next% 1.0 Version and the real one in your video is 2.0 Version,I'm sure that will make some diffrence
@JonathanJScottFilms3 жыл бұрын
Yes that's correct I agree with you. Although form what I am aware the differences between version 1 and 2 is very much just the upper and so performance should be very very similar.
@玉自寒-b7l3 жыл бұрын
@@JonathanJScottFilms Version 2 is about 5% or more heavier then Version 1 so....seeing lots of testing of the 1 and 2 in China and the result is 1 is always better when considering speed(efficiency).
@JonathanJScottFilms3 жыл бұрын
@@玉自寒-b7l interesting to know, thanks for your input 👍
@elfs312 жыл бұрын
Is it me or those "fake ones" do look exactly like Vaporfly next% v1? I might be wrong, but it seems that you're comparing v2 against it's predecessor - v1. Of course, let me know if I'm wrong :)
@JonathanJScottFilms2 жыл бұрын
Yes they are v1s but they are 100% fake and not made with ZoomX foam.
@ravss4594 Жыл бұрын
They are sample trainers. So not exactly a fake
@JonathanJScottFilms Жыл бұрын
Sample trainers?
@Josh-si4jn Жыл бұрын
@@JonathanJScottFilmshe meant a replica in simple term
@cb3dartist2453 жыл бұрын
What's the weight of genuine and fake?
@JonathanJScottFilms3 жыл бұрын
195-200g for both
@cb3dartist2453 жыл бұрын
@@JonathanJScottFilms there's not much difference 😏
@JonathanJScottFilms3 жыл бұрын
@@cb3dartist245 I do mention this in the video but no there isn't, they are practically the same in terms of weight
@nyot1683 жыл бұрын
How much u buy the fake nike
@marykealy23322 жыл бұрын
About €50
@larvena911 Жыл бұрын
Can I ask you a question, how can you buy that fake, in what link
@JonathanJScottFilms Жыл бұрын
As I said in the video they were bought from an individual seller on eBay just selling that pair.