Fake Stahlwille Wrenches?

[@chuckvanderbildt]

Send a sample back to Stahlwille, along with a note containing a description of your question, and perhaps where you got them from. Maybe something interesting will come of it.

[@chou1234chou]

Chuck Vanderbildt a

[@VisinskiRadoviBeograd]

Surely they will answer. No doubt about it.

[@DaroriDerEinzige]

@@VisinskiRadoviBeograd Yeah with a Shoplink where you can buy some original ones. ;D

[@meganstroud-mangos1587]

These aren't fake, just an old design. Stahlwille's quality of finish has actually improved over time (unlike many tool manufacturers). "CC" refers to the Stahlwille blank size (which started at "A" for the smallest wrench and ran through to "ZZ" for the largest), which was added to the die mold for wrenches where the bolt size is later punched on the wrench head after forging and finishing. This allowed the same dies to be used for both metric and SAE/AF/BSW/BSF.

[@GermanToolReviews]

Thanks for the information! I do have some older style Stahlwille spanners with a similar design, but all of those have "Germany" stamped somewhere on them. It was the first time I've seen a Stahlwille spanner without the COA marking. It could be they made some without this marking for some years.

[@MicroageHD]

These are fake, not an old design.

[@pahmad162]

I have used original Stahlwille tools about 40 years ago and I am very sure that the 4 spanners shown in the video above are fake as described. It is true I have never seen a Stahlwille tools with shiny finish even few years back, and looking at the printing finish I agree to what is shown in this video. Thanks

[@JourneymanRandy]

Run a file over them to sew how hard the steel is. Thy to email a photo to the manufacturer and ask them if they are fake.

[@harveysmith100]

Thanks for the heads up. I recently bought a Stahlwille 20mm socket on Ebay. I thought nothing more of it until I noticed the same 20mm for sale again, same photo but not from a tool dealer. What is the chance of a private seller having two 20mm new sockets but no other sockets? This is in the UK, this may be a bigger problem than it first appears.

[@smartchip]

Harvey Smith thats bollocks m8, I seen some on amazon for 70 quid, thinking are they legal or knock offs, damn Chinese, lol

[@volvogt21]

Do you have an outcome yet? Stahlwille would be very interested one would think

[@thejaptoolguyYT]

I'm a stahlwille collector and restorer and overall fan of Thier tools as I use them daily for work aswell as a hobby and can definitely say that these in the video are for sure fakes. Given Thier size and having that much bend. Even a metric 10 is difficult to bend like that. older stahlwille spanners were stamped like that on thier heads. But not as roughly stahlwille have a very precise quality control and they would not slip. As far as polish goes. There's never telling who has had that tool before as someone that buys old tools and restores them I have re chromed a lot of tools so that doesn't mean they are fake but either restored or polished possibly. Tool restorers will also use polish wheels and compounds to get them back to a shiny spanner. The fact that Germany isn't stamped is fishy that's a thing all years of stahlwille tools have had. Most German brands pride themselves on fact they are still forged in Germany. 90% of stahlwille tools are sent out of Germany for export also. If anyone was to fake tools snap on would be the way to go. Overpriced and overhyped imo.

[@mauricelevy9027]

The old Stahlwille Stabil series of flat rings were superb but now seem to be gone for ever .Back to Snap On I guess for me?

[@johnmichaellane1]

Test the counterfeits for strength in use and the see if the real one fails at the same point. I wouldn't test the real one to failure but at least show if it's a better tool. Cheap open ends spread and I'd be interested to see how the real deal holds up.

[@alext8828]

That's a good idea.

[@1musicsearcher]

If those are the choices, I'd go with dumpster diver. At the beginning of any production run there'll be some scrap that's usually recycled. Who knows what the flaw is. I'd mail one back to Stahlwille and see what they have to say.

[@kakyhilton7169]

I like the old finish more

[@phrodendekia]

I have an old Stahlwille Motor 22-20mm Says "Chrome - ALLOY STEEL made in germany Z" And the numbers are stamped really straight, but stamped pn the other side. I believe the shape of the S is sign that it is not original. I can not bend it by hand at all, and im not really weak.

[@poldomalese]

I have in my hand a fake Stahlwille 15 mm, series 456, socket. It's definitely fake for two reasons: it's 27 mm instead of 32 mm (per the Sthalwille catalog) tall; it doesn't have the "AS-Drive" profile. I already informed Stahlwille ITALY, which, in turn, informed Stahlwille Germany, but my kind of fake, involving sockets, seems new to them. If somebody is interested, I can provide pictures.

[@phucdatbich1990]

Modern Stahlwille chrome is Cadmium free which may account for lower shine

[@kamrankureshi5615]

VBW now amalgamated in Stahlwillie was one heck of a tool manufacturer. Check out their wrench templates...

[@karlnapp7564]

Those are actually the wrenches found in on-board toolkits from different car makers. Probably some leftovers that were sold as a set.

[@GermanToolReviews]

Do were they really made by Stahlwille?

[@karlnapp7564]

Car makers used all known tool brands for their on-board tool kits. Mercedes had Matador Dowidat Hazet and Heyco. Most older BMW are Heyco. BMW motorcycles many are Stahlwille Porsche and VW mostly Hazet. Most older wheel wrenches are Hazet or Stahlwille. And everybody uses the good old Felo switcheroo screwdriver, which has been exchanged many times by all car manufacturers, but always makes a comeback.

[@karlnapp7564]

I forgot Saltus came before Matador for Mercedes.

[@heikopanzlaff3789]

They are not from an on board toolkit of a German car because not metric. But they are from a toolkit what was included with some machinery. Had Stahlwille Motor spanners coming with a generator ( 12 KW ) made by Kirsch in the German ( former Roman ) - city of Trier... All german manufacturers have a more basic line with different surface treatment for on board toolkits eg. Gedore with NC - mark what is for sailing or use on vessels.

[@smartchip]

Karl Napp thank you for the information, sir, danke,

[@maxe4373]

Stahlwille is still manufacturing the wrenches in Germany. I have seen the forging of Open Box and also Motor Series on Open Doors Days. I also have a lot of non-metric wrenches, which are >30 years old these are all punch numbered. But also the old wrenches have still the same non shiny finish. The next thing is that i have never seen a Stahlwille with rounded and polished edges on the open ended sides. In my opinion these are fakes. With best regards from Berlin, Germany TonSyndrom

[@GermanToolReviews]

Cool thanks for the insight.

[@jusb1066]

my post with a link shows 2 stahwill from 35 years ago, with rounded and polished edges, i guess no -one looked at the link! imgur.com/a/Aly88

[@maxe4373]

I also have seen your Pictures. Your´s also mine have slightly rounded edges. But they are only grinded on an nearly flat shape. Some have more, some less grinding marks. But they are never polished. These "fakes" have a convex shape from side to side and were heavy polished.

[@jusb1066]

weird that they are partly rounded, and the new ones that hes sure are real, are very square, ..perhaps stahwille have more than one facility in germany and use different tooling to make them?

[@maxe4373]

I have some older sets with verry different rounded edges (some straight, sone heavy rounded, some only in the middle part). I think that was done by hand on a belt sander. Every Worker had done slightly his own style.

[@asherdie]

They forge markings not stamp like the counterfeit. Or its the "blue point" version.

[@SoddingaboutSi]

Send them to Stahlwille and let them decide?

[@squarrl]

cc = Chinese copy?

[@irongreek7722]

squarrl most likely haha

[@GermanToolReviews]

Ha, I didn't think of that one. It could also be from Northern Cyprus (officially part of Turkey) which often uses a CC abbreviation.

[@GermanToolReviews]

Yeah I've seen people copy other people's videos all the time. You can see all their videos are copied from other sources. Usually it isn't worth the time to report it because you have to fill out quite a bit of paperwork.

[@jerry1378]

quite surprised that you heard about us :) well not oficially part of turkey but officially unrecognized :) anyway, we do not have any tool production fake or original around here

[@Natemasterflex]

German Tool Reviews if you are talking about KZbin videos, it is very very easy to report someone and takes a whole 30 seconds or so. It is only three questions that are multiple choice. If someone is stealing or infringing on your content you need to report them. If anything just to get their ad revenue. You have the choice to let them keep your content up and just collect the earnings or fully take it down.

[@021mr5]

There are even Taiwan made tools stamped USA in the brand.

[@KenJRudolph]

Maybe contact the manufacturer and find out for sure??

[@GermanToolReviews]

I notified them on facebook, we'll see if they have any response.

[@VId_Kok]

At least now I can afford Stahlwille.

[@Desertduleler_88]

I'm not saying it can't be done, but it is worth the effort to counterfeit them for the price difference??

[@upsidedowndog1256]

Chinese wrenches are usually much harder steel. If faked its from somewhere else. The thinner heads could be a plus in some situations.

[@Natemasterflex]

You don’t see counterfeit tool videos because a counterfeit tool is a unicorn for the most part. You have any idea how much it costs to manufacture those types of wrenches, it would be insane to try and make fakes.....

[@pleasenomore100]

Well they are different sizes..?

[@starabagraxD]

Just looked at my stahlwille wrenches, and there is few of them with punch numbered on head. However, I am sure that these are very old ones. If something means to You I am willing to send You one, so You can see the difference. Just let me know adress where to ship it.

[@frankblack1481]

I agree they look too fake. Too many parameters are different. Do you get Stahlwille from TBS-Aachen? I had a look and the prices are way lower than other 'premier' brands yet it is Stahlwille I've seen being used in videos of professionals at BMW M-division mechanics on Airbus aircraft. Might get myself a set :-)

[@GermanToolReviews]

Yes I have been getting all my Stahlwille stuff from TBS-aachen. I do need to usually order a lot to make it worthwhile to absorb the shipping costs.

[@jusb1066]

its more likely stahville dont make them in germany anymore, same that bahco wrenches moved to spain from sweden. the side view you show at 5:11, the real one is on the right? thats the same profile as my 30 year old stahville wrenches, not the boxy unfinished of the left. mine also say germany on the handle, but the larger has the size cast in next to stahville, the smaller sizes are hand stamped onto the size cheeks with varying accuracy and pressure, my smaller ones ive been half scared i could snap them in half, very bendy

[@GermanToolReviews]

In that view the real one is on the left (the thicker one). I was thinking that maybe they might have made them somewhere else at one point but currently it is all made at their Forge in Germany as far as I know.

[@jusb1066]

yep, my stahville profile is like that of the right side, slightly rounded, the are 35 plus years old

[@ccmogs5757]

I"m think (& hope) they still are German made , ratchet spanners are not german though.......

[@phucdatbich1990]

All Stahlwille wrenches brought individually or sets are forged in Germany apart from the ratchet wrenches which come from Taiwan. The Gedore ratchet wrenches are 100% German made, the only wrench mechanisms made in Germany due to patent issues. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmKxdGZons2Gj8k

[@smartchip]

Jusb1066 bahco were good tools when made in sweden, they must have got sold to a corporation, so screw quality, profit is key, I am thinking stanley, they scooped up alot of decent companies for their name,

[@chaddles623]

I've seen some fake Gedore Spanner's on eBay and the seller claims they are Authentic but I don't believe them, same kinda thing also

[@GermanToolReviews]

I did see some that looked fake, you can tell because they have a polished chrome finish, which Gedore never does.

[@chaddles623]

German Tool Reviews and stamped on the head alao

[@mickeydee3595]

Back in the 70s and 80s gedore made a shit tonne of tools out of india that werw absolute garbage. May have been and indian made gedore you came across and not a "fake"

[@davidweston9115]

The older tools often have more shine because they had Hex chrome which is forbidden now in the EU. They have to use Trivalent chrome which is duller and more like a nickel plate in it's tone. Less blue. More brown. Also, in the old days they hand stamped the size on the ends especially on non metric sizes because those are very rare compared to metrics in their production. It wouldn't pay to have all the imperial measurements cut into the forging dies. But in my experience with Hazet, my old Hazet tools look superior in quality, not inferior like your Stahlwille do. My Hazet with Hex chrome shine like mirrors even on the rough parts. The rough parts look like a pebbled mirror. My new Hazet with Trivalent Chrome has a purely matt finish and even in the polished areas it's not nearly as shiny as the old. But besides that the old tools are either equal or superior in quality. I can't imagine being able to bend a wrench that large. So that's all I can offer.

[@thomascelentano433]

"chrome paint" no, It's just a shit plate job. If you think they're fake, Call the mfg to verify. Then report the seller.

[@terrygoyan]

They made SAE wrenches? That's a bit of a surprise. Were American fasteners used on any German cars? All the Stahwille tools I've seen have the matte finish.

[@19ghost73]

All German tool manufacturers always had and still have both metric & SAE sizes in their portfolio. I know that for sure since 1959 for HAZET, BELZER, GEDORE, DOWIDAT, STAHLWILLE, ELORA, MATADOR etc. ATB from Germany, Gereon

[@smokeybowls187]

They're internationally renowned and have alot of contracts with different governments & militaries. Not all machinery uses metric hardware; I've even worked with German machinery that used SAE hardware (Heidelberg saddle stitchers).

[@jackattack4851]

Is it possible that they are made from South Africa?

[@mrhyde7431]

Did they make some in south africa...I have a set of ring spanners and some have made in Germany and some don't have that

[@A.Dude.]

Tell Ebay about it and they will most likely want you to send them over to them; they will pay you back and take care of the next steps. End of story. Anyone who uses Stahlwille will know instantly these are fake and act accordingly.

[@VascoR70]

Send them to the Stahlwille factory and ask them if they are a fake.

[@jusb1066]

send me some 50 dollar bills, i will assess them for free (50 dollar fee to return each bill) lol

[@german5446]

Send a photo.

[@swanchilds]

100% fake. Stahlwille never do super shinny silver chrome. Is should be like the one that he already has on 6:20. And the vintage versions are not super shinny at all.

[@诸凌涵]

I doubt that these are fake ones. It's doesn't sound logical to make a fake one without the 'German' mark on it. Might be some factory samples that are leaked to the market. This happen sometimes when the company try to outsource their products. Maybe the samples couldn't meet the quality standard so stahlwille continue to make the products in their own factory.

[@stefanczechorskidds8435]

shoot some photos, on and off the scale. Send them to Stahlwille with the understanding that you would only like to know if they are fake (not what makes them so - security). Or, send them to them with the same understanding. Perhaps they will enlist your help.

[@Schmunzel57]

Why are you saying cast? They should be all forged.

[@GermanToolReviews]

Yes they all are forged, I often say 'cast' when I meant to say 'forged'

[@gokturkgokbayrak2310]

Gibt es Fälschungen dieser Produkte?

[@janeinarwold2663]

Duh... The smaller wrenches weight in less, well of course!

[@suer6700]

They are all the same size

[@lennartsandberg1808]

"CC" China copy?, China Company?

[@Jefcostellombw]

No one wants to imitate such cheap things, it is the Germans who are saving steel.

[@smartchip]

Hi, can anyone advise me, I am looking for spanners to pass on to the next generation, stahlwille,gedore, the best choice or another german manufacturers, thanks, I have snap-on, britool, etc

[@jonrobertson2269]

smartchip You can't go wrong between Gedore and Stahlwille. Stahlwille; however, does have a lifetime replacement warranty while Gedore isn't. I have some Gedore 7L series and Stahlwille 14 Open Box series (both are long pattern combination wrenches) and I prefer the Stahlwilles, personally.

[@sonicstep]

05:17, nine tenths of a millimeter? Why not just state the measurement in metric as opposed mixing units with imperial? That's like saying 10m and 5ft.

[@jdillinger2307]

CC -> Cheap Chinesium

[@iznogudsurfer5911]

without "Germany" -> Fake!

[@danielpuma6416]

Very fake! can you put them into bunch of different test ?

[@GermanToolReviews]

I'll see if I have enough test equipment to do that safely.

[@slasher9883]

After watching this I went to the garage to look at my old Stahlwille spanners (hand me downs from my dad). They are at least 30yo and they are genuine. The sizes are stamped on the head just like your knock off spanners. Stamping not as deep but still looks like it was done by hand. However it has "Made in Germany" cast into the handle section, right after "alloy steel", the code "EE" (whatever that means) and the finish is matt just like your genuine wrench. Anyway, wonder if Stahwille are making cheaper wrenches in China now? I have enough respect for Stahwille to think that even if they were being made in China, they would still be much better quality than the cheapo wrenches you have. So yeah, I reckon you almost certainly have some knock offs there.

[@GermanToolReviews]

Thanks for the insight. I thought that maybe it was an older style that used the stamped markings. However, even the old vintage ones I have seen always do have "Germany" on them somewhere.

[@link6397]

Please get a real caliper!

[@sumanmondalsuman7635]

Thanks Stahiwall tools duball rings spanner fak and original Video ?

[@Toyotas_n__Tools]

Chinese Chrome

[@johnaranjo6354]

Think itd be possible to make any more noise with the plastic bag jeesh lol

[@larryharry7221]

What did you expect for $20

[@TheShamiester]

You can bend it? Lmao. Fake

[@vijayantgovender2045]

I stand corrected so was made in South Africa and the older ones was stamped on the head of the spanner so I don't believe those are fake tools please do proper research before you say that they are fake my e mail address is if you want more information is [e-mail]

[@mrhyde7431]

Never knew that...I got a set ...some 13...some have germany and some dont

[@sachellebabbar9005]

Irresponsible to not follow up. Those are definitely real, just a different build year.

[@GermanToolReviews]

Sent them some emails, never heard anything back so I guess they don't care. The fact that it doesn't have "Germany" stamped anywhere is the main key. I have many older stahlwille spanners that have the sizes stamped and not part of the forging die (like the 'fake' ones), and they all have Germany or W. Germany on them. My best guess about these is that they did an experiment to have them made offshore in either China, Taiwan or India and decided not to go that route but never properly destroyed the test batch.

[@antoniocarlos-fv1ny]

The best top 10

[@julianreverse]

They are fake! I found some similar spanners on a garage sale and sent them to Stahlwille.

[@GermanToolReviews]

Did you ever hear anything back from Stahlwille? I sent them a message asking if they wanted these and haven't heard anything back.

[@julianreverse]

Yes of course. They told me they are fake.

[@julianreverse]

There are also some old "Gedore forged India" spanners, they are cheaply made in India, look almost the same but are crap as hell. They were sold via mail order from the 60s till mid 80s

[@jusb1066]

gedore india was an official company owned by gedore, it always marked its wrenches made in india

[@adivarso8175]

Chinese Cwopy.

[@kamrankureshi5615]

Yes, yes FAKE all the way... The fakes are most probably made in Europe because Stahlwillie is not known in Asia..

[@jeffharper410]

The CC tells the story ,Chinesium Crap. Copy.

[@alext8828]

I have to say, for expensive tools, they look like crap. Why such shitty-looking tools cost so much is beyond me.

[@pauljeffs7]

You don’t buy tools to look at them. If they are reliable and work well it doesn’t matter. Americans are too bothered about wanting shiny polished chrome tools instead of high quality materials and good tolerances.