Falcon 4 BMS Tutorials: Data Link

[@SemlerPDX]

For anyone not using standard the standard BMS keyfile - Right-Control + P is "IFF IN" and on the HOTAS Throttle Comms Switch Right. It's designation in the keyfile is SimCommsSwitchRight -- Huge thanks to Krause for this great tutorial!

[@Ironcobra666fuckyou]

+Aaron SemlerPDX Hey thanks for that, was pulling my hair out.

[@-_Nuke_-]

Also huge thanks to u sir for this comment!

[@xSloris]

For some people, it may be defaulted to Delete to Comms Switch Left and Page Down for Comms Switch Right

[@Svend63]

I had the same problem with Ctrl O. First of all its Left Ctrl o and on the keymap it's named "Comms-switch left". If you press this key combination your wingman will show up on your HSD - but only for 8 sec. If you want them to stay there, you need to click the ASGN on the FCR (a-a mode) till it reads CONT. Taints tutorials are pure gold to all of us so bare with him, if He gets tired of explaining the same stuff over and over.

[@tanit]

@CaptainPaul12 right-ctrl-o is comms switch left and right control-p is comms switch right.

[@tanit]

Link 16 is fully integrated into the GCCS system in reality. fun fact: i'm a trained GCCS administrator.

[@tanit]

@TheSuay I don't know because I don't play SP much, however, the FCR functions just assign targets, it doesn't tell your wingmen to magically do anything. For that, you need to probably use the comms as you figured out.

[@TheRandiniarolla]

Dude, i've seen a few made by others, but you make the best BMS training vids. Great job and thanx.

[@destroystheovik]

You can only see planes in your package through the datalink. To find tankers you'll have to use TACAN. If I'm not completely mistaken i think that AWACS gives you the TACAN frequency when you ask for vectors to the tanker...

[@getous]

@DiamondEyeProduction Correction, it's called HOTAS IFF In/Out on the BMS keymap. Default is F5 and F6.

[@GeorgeKakashvili]

I have a question. Does AWACS transmit target location via datalink to hsd? (because in freefalcon wingmen, air defence rings, ground target locations were shown on hsd by default) how to enable this

[@tanit]

@Jellybeantiger All the TMS and DMS buttons are in the HOTAS bindings.

[@tanit]

The datalink numbers correspond to the order of the flights in the ATO, NOT the callsigns. The first flight you make will always be 1-0, the 2nd 2-0 etc.

[@nvrfollowb5]

Ok, got it. If "CTRL O" is a no go try "F5/F6" which for me is "IFF In / IFF Out" on the controls page

[@getous]

@DiamondEyeProduction Actually, if you - like me, used the BMS profile to begin with, CTRL-O is actually "View online status" - the Comms switch is not bound by default, so you need to do that yourself. I THINK it's the one named "HOTAS CMS Up/Down/Left/Right"

[@JamieMarlow72]

Just a helpful hint when you are in MARK if you press 0 on ICP it will automatically change you steer point to that mark point so you don't have to go to ICP 4 and enter in 27.

[@tanit]

@DiamondEyeProduction You have to hold it down for about 2 seconds. You might have to do it twice.

[@an0maly]

Currently they are using Link 16 as the Data Link that networks all the Units together. Link 16 allows the Units to exchange J Series Messages that allow for the dissemination of Surveillance Data, Weapon Coordination etc. Again like in the game the whole purpose to enhance situational awareness and reduce the amount of information that would have to be conveyed via Voice to the Pilots and Controllers.

[@tanit]

@SANC2775 Enable FOV perspective in the advanced controls

[@squirly309]

this is awesome.. there is so much about BMS i have yet to learn thanks for sharing!

[@Anaximander29A]

Very nice tutorial as usual. and i am glad you took out the fisherman. that will teach him next time. ;)

[@tanit]

@DiamondEyeProduction Also make sure its right CTRL

[@macieksoft]

Is it possible to use datalink to connect to AWACS via link 16 in BMS like it is possible in real life?

[@SaintBrick]

This should be upvoted or put in the disc' so other people don't get lost, Thanks for the info mate :)

[@Lavozdelsentimiento686]

QUESTIONS HOW CAN I USE 3D INSIDE THE PLANE LIKE A 10C WARTHOG DCS?

[@s2korpionic]

Ctrl+O does not work. Others mentioned that the IFF in/out function is necessary for friendlies to appear on the HSD display, so it would be F4/F5.

[@AverageSubscriber17]

Kalsonic try the ‘delete’ key

[@Worther12]

Great video thanks, I also found that HOTAS IFF out worked instead off comm left button, I couldn't find that keystroke listed. Thanks anyway

[@ironcross112]

i get all that. your teaching method works for me very well. the problem i'm having is the assigned numbers are all the same for the most part. sometimes their not but 95% of the time they are. also i can't seem to find which keys zoom the mfd's

[@SimonPageVideo]

Great tut but CTRL O doesn't do anything for me. Maybe I'm using a different keymapping. What is the command for CTRL O so I can look it up? Thanks.

[@Djakabob]

Right CTRL o still don't is it cause the update 3 would you know which one it is now?

[@Tulkas5Js]

I read the BMS -34 and if I understood it correct if I'm using FCR AG in SNOWPLOW and pass the SOI to the HSD I should be able to send the cursor position as a DL STEERPOINT instead of just a temporary radar cursor DL but I doesn't look to work for me...

[@Duke49th]

I've searched a lot now..maybe Im blind. But I cant find the manual which contains the steps for what we see here in the video. In Open Falcon we had the Dash-34 where it was in. But in my installfolder there is only a manual for the F-16 AM and Dash-1.

[@Lavozdelsentimiento686]

what is control of? or what do you mean? type contrl and what else?

[@tanit]

@getous Go to page 107 on the BMS manual "Air-To-Air Intraflight Data Link"

[@Eihort]

If you loaded a TM Warthog profile, you're looking for the HOTAS IFF IN and IFF OUT commands.

[@getous]

I read at 72nd VFW, that the wingmen should have their datalink set to dmnd instead of asgn - is that true? what's the difference between those two modes?

[@Q8_BoRashed]

what's a "package" in BMS?

[@NubsCockpit]

hi there .. first thing big thx on great instructions and tutorials, just one question ... lets say i made a markpoint and i want to remove it how can i do that ?

[@Sinistercabbage]

So say you launched AIM 120 at enemy from about 50 km range and you have to turn away to evade enemy missiles, can other planes like AWACS provide that missile with course updates? Also if you have to turn away for some reason and you stop supplying your missile with course updates, if you turn back to face the enemy will the plane automatically start supplying the missile with data again?

[@tanit]

Your fcr provides guidance on the missile only, no awacs. And no once you break lock the missile is on its own.

[@ilike2watch001]

Well, the missile appears to have the capability of being fired at a DLNK target, but the Viper's fire control systems may not support this capability. The ability to fire AIM-120s at DLNK targets would allow the launching aircraft to attack its target(s) while the launching aircraft's radar is not emitting, a significant tactical advantage. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-120_AMRAAM AMRAAM uses two-stage guidance when fired at long range. The aircraft passes data to the missile just before launch, giving it information about the location of the target aircraft from the launch point and its direction and speed. The missile uses this information to fly on an interception course to the target using its built in inertial navigation system (INS). This information is generally obtained using the launching aircraft's radar, although it could come from an Infra-red search and track system, from a data link from another fighter aircraft, or from an AWACS aircraft. After launch, if the firing aircraft or surrogate continues to track the target, periodic updates-such as changes in the target's direction and speed-are sent from the launch aircraft to the missile, allowing the missile to adjust its course so that it is able to close to a self-homing distance where it will be close enough to "catch" the target aircraft in the basket (the missile's radar field of view in which it will be able to lock onto the target aircraft, unassisted by the launch aircraft).

[@Sinistercabbage]

@@ilike2watch001 Replying after 4 years haha. Do you know by any chance if the the Meteor missile works the same? I've read launch aircraft is capable of giving mid course updates from third party data. Now, is that data transmitted through the aircrafts radar or would the launch aircraft be able to turn away from its target and keep relaying that targeting data to the missile?

[@Sinistercabbage]

@@tanit How about, can you relay mid course updates to the missile using AWACS or wingman data?

[@Spirit986]

When I fly I often find my self in need of refuel. I though that it would be nice to add the tanker onto the data link. But how can I find the number of the tanker?

[@justin_thomas]

Fantastic tutorial. Thanks very much, I really appreciate your videos.

[@Jellybeantiger]

TMS up?Where is that?

[@VideoCub12]

You seem to be able to move you head vertically as well as left and right in the cockpit. How do you do this? I have TrackIR, but my virtual head seems to be stuck. I can look around, but I cannot move my whole head the way you seem to be able to.

[@TheRandomSqueak]

control P seems to be the keystroke but whats the hotas function?

[@gorillapimpin2978]

"there's illegal fishing going on over there, send in an airstrike"

[@Silavite]

can you use JDAMs with mark points?

[@-_Nuke_-]

Krause at 7:03 you typed in 11 so how did you know that this was the flight 11? If I add 11 will the DATA link add the closest flight to my aircraft to the "11" flight? How does it work becasue I'm confused...!?

[@SemlerPDX]

During the planning stage pre-flight, when you're still at the 2D mission screen showing the map, you can get this information about the package and all ships involved. Write it down, or print out your flight plan, or your data card, or use WDP (weapons delivery planner) to show what a pilot would normally have on his kneeboard. You use that once you are in the cockpit, and working to Data Link them.

[@-_Nuke_-]

oh! nice, I give that a look thanks Aaron

[@kevinwsmith2021]

Great informative video Krause, thank you!

[@darinhitchings7104]

Okay so wait a second, you can have 8 members in the datalink group, but you can only transmit data to the first 4 of these members?

[@TheFietek]

Does it works with other flights, NOT from your package?

[@exnihilodub]

+1 On this question

[@TheFietek]

To awnser the questiond :P It will be implemented in .33 for all planes on the same frequency.

[@exnihilodub]

any news or reports about an upcoming 33 out there?

[@Duke49th]

Z4ng3tsu67 4.33 brings such a huge changelog that only the .exe files alone need 2 hour time to read the changelog :-) (from a beta tester) Im really eager to see 4.33

[@ilike2watch001]

How does one determine which IDM addresses are assigned to each flight in the package? How would the frequencies for other non-preplanned packages or flights be entered into the IDM through the UFC/DED? During preflight, it would appear DLNK package data would be entered into the DTC for readily available use once in the air.

[@William3000x]

Krause, I have a question that by this video and reading an online Falcon BMS manual about Data Link, I was wondering... Is it possible to have more than one Data Link Host - or even a whole group of Data Link Hosts - in a same Package? This being done in order to exponentially increase the situation awareness. Let's say, for a hypothetical situation: We have a Package made of 5 flights, each of these being a 4-ship flight, so it's a 5 4-ship Package, and I'm the flight lead of one of these (let's say, the flight 1, so I'm flight #1-1). I'll be hosting one piece of Data link, doing the exact same way you do on your video, my DL Page will look like this: #1 11 #5 21 #2 12 #6 31 #3 13 #7 41 #4 14 #8 51 And by the same time, I have all the other members of my flight hosting another piece of Data Link, only changing the #5 2X, #6 3X , #7 4X and #8 5X so the "X" will their corresponding elements of the other flights in the package. In other words, my wingman (flight #1-2) will have his DL page marked as follows: #1 11 #5 22 #2 12 #6 32 #3 13 #7 42 #4 14 #8 52 And the other elements of my flight doing tha same, only hosting their corresponding element numbers on the other Flights of the Package... And the hypothesis is that if this is possible, and/or practical, then every single aircraft (and not only the flight leads) in the whole Package will have the complete package properly DL'd on their screens, thus hugely improving the situation awareness of everyone. Have you ever tried that to see if it's really possible? Can the sim actually handle that much information? And yet, do you think it would be possible in real life? Thanks in advance for taking time reading this long-ass comment and testing the hypothesis, if you will. =)

[@pycoton]

excellent vid. Keep'em coming ! So useful and entertaining

[@juliovelez7418]

I have tried everything you explained to see my wingmen on my HSD, when you say hit Control C im guessing its my computer not the panel???

[@AcePicante]

Would love to see a tutorial video on multiplayer communications. Lots of "contact niner-oh-niner-niner-three-niner-two angels oh-niner". Still have a ways to go on just flying the ship and mastering the systems, but after that I'd still be hesitant to jump into MP as I wouldn't easily decipher what everyone is chatting about. Related, perhaps info on what it means to be a good wingman, etc.

[@getous]

@tanit Ah okay thank you, sorry for not looking closer before hand.

[@getous]

Well I dunno what to tell yah. When I bound the IFF keys it worked fine following the instructions of this video. I haven't played in some time though so mabye I'm forgetting something.

[@Blacknemisis]

Good vid but when I assign target to AI wingman he doesnt do any thing how do I get the wingman to attack datalink target.

[@braendofc]

I have one question though. Im playing the campaign atm and im having trouble adding other flights from my package. Flying a deep strike with 2 F-15s as protection, i cant seem to add them. In the briefing they are listed as 1-1 while i am listed as 2-1, however ingame on the data link im listed as 1-2 though 1-4 and i cant seem to add them no matter what i input into the data link. Great vids btw. Helps someone brand new to flight sims a lot! Thanks in advance!

[@LymarkW]

What's the difference between Demand (DMD) and Assign (ASGN)? The manual mentions both as the same thing, but that's gotta be more than that,right?

[@mikruss1055]

Nice Tutorials Krause, I have question. You refer to different flights in a package having numbers as 1.1, 2.1, 3.1, ect which I understand and can put in the DED. However the training tutorials in BMS saved TE missions "007 Training cap" we have flights in the same package but because they have different call signs they have the same number ie. 1.1 so how do we show these flights in the same package.

[@SemlerPDX]

In the planning stage, you can look at the entire package in the OOB(?) and it will show the elements of the package as designated for 1-1,2-1,3-1, etc. You note this information manually or mentally, or print out your data card or use something like WDP (weapons deliver planner) to see the info once you've launched the sim into the 3D cockpit. I hope I'm understanding your question correctly.

[@RioFalconBmsBrasil]

sad... i can't do it in falcon 4.0 allied force

[@chickenpax1]

Hi tanit, I am finding your tutorials helpful. one question though. In a single player, say in campaign or TE's, how would you order your flight to attack specific targets? so for example, say 4 bandits at 12o'clock. I assign bandit 2 to my wingman, bandit 3 to element leader, and bandit 4 to element leader's wingman. What command would I use so that they would attack the targets I assigned them? I tried Attack Targets and Weapons Free in flight commands and they all attack randomly. any idea?

[@getous]

You will find IFF in and out in the game if you used the BMS profile.

[@eddievhfan1984]

So how come your ownship (41) is part of the DL? Is that so your position can be broadcasted, or is it an oversight?

[@tanit]

Kyle Tekaucic I'm surprised to see you use the term ownship, are you in mil simulations?

[@eddievhfan1984]

Actually, I'm an aviation undergrad at OSU trying to get the money for flight lessons, but I've been a sim vet since FS2004. I roll DCS World, Ace Combat, and War Thunder. Even do Orbiter (a spaceflight sim). But no military experience...sadly. lol

[@tanit]

Ownship is a term almost exclusively used in military simulations (i'm a game designer in mil sims). Where did you hear it? Just curious.

[@eddievhfan1984]

Instructor at school/former NTSB investigator. We worked on an EFB study, and ownship is a term found in the regs a lot. Plus I'm such a nerd, I even know how to use TACAN. haha

[@theeltea]

tcn isn't so impressive. knowthing the terminology is

[@RioFalconBmsBrasil]

I need help!!! When I try to move the cursor around on air-to-ground mode, it gets stuck... It has a range limit around the steerpoint. I saw in your video, krause, you clicked on the SP buttom on the first MFD and then on another one in order to activate something to give you freedom to move your cursor around. What is it? Please, help me!! Thank you for teaching us@:

[@RioFalconBmsBrasil]

@z4ng3tsu67 Oh, thank you so much, man!!

[@SNAKE8542]

Where can i find Anti-aliasing? My cockpit is very choppy. Thanks.

[@HotaruZoku]

Lexicon question: Can "Package" refer to a group of aircraft that aren't all of the same make/model? I know it's Falcon 4 and you fly the viper, but I was wondering if packages were usually made that way, or if that's just a limitation of the sim itself.

[@tanit]

package are all mission aircraft. can be any type of aircraft

[@HotaruZoku]

Krause Ahh. Good to know.

[@blackbirdbe]

great tutorial as usual, but I'm just wondering, who do they do this in real life? And also, do you have a video explaining every button in the cockpit? Especially those that aren't implemented in-game... Just wondering what they do in real life :) Cheers!

[@lowdown1949]

Control + O" and "Control + P" don't work for me

[@genbrien]

what would be CTRL+O / CTRL+P in BMS 4.33 ? Thx again for the tutorials

[@tanit]

+Etienne Brien I know right! All the controls changed! It should be delete and page down respectively. CTRL+O I believe was COMM SWITCH LEFT, which is now delete by default. Page down is now comm switch right. Yes obviously I need to update these tutorials.

[@Blixer7]

I am currently using 4.0AF. Is it easy to transition to BMS? And are you still active with BMS?

[@bobthebuilder7265]

Not that hard. Either way its totally worth it. These videos help tremendously in that regard.

[@Blixer7]

Awesome! Thanks for the reply

[@alexbabuca]

Christopher Williams hey man i played AF for a while switched to free falcon then BMS BMS is the Ultimate i love it its made me way better at the game but you got to leran alot you took for granted in AF

[@Blixer7]

Now I see why real USAF pilots have engineering degrees.LMOA!

[@regionalcomnet]

C. Williams try to get back to me, we are looking for Recruits for BMS. Let me know and I will give you our Info. Thanks.

[@peaceofallyou]

man,how is your track ır program? or headset? what d you use?

[@bloks41]

But the controls call in my BMS: "HOTAS-IFF in" "Hotas-IFF out"

[@tanit]

@SANC2775 Look at the video description. I uploaded a screenshot of my advanced control settings.

[@SnaxDesAvions]

Thanks for your tutorials, it was very helpfull !

[@SplashHawk]

Many thank´s !!! Will test tonight !

[@getous]

Actually you said that you could only find them in the config file, not the game. But anyway, I don't know how to solve your problem, if you are doing it right.

[@HotaruZoku]

It boggles my mind that we've only just recently come to this level of digital force integration. I watch videos of hyper realistic A-10 simulators and have no idea how anyone can keep track of anything, anywhere, any time. "South of the T-junction, 200 meters, one times BMR." Which T junction, presuming you don't have the luck to be circling the only one in visual range? How exact is it to 200 meters? Referencing what known steer point? The thought that we only now have the capacity to digitally share something as basic as status and eyes-on....God. I don't know how the military does it's job.

[@-_Nuke_-]

"I watch videos of hyper realistic A-10 simulators" and link to those videos?

[@bloks41]

KRAUSE i want a baby from you!!!!! Your tutorials are very helpful, very thanks

[@tanit]

Are you a lady? If not, you will have to take me out to a really nice dinner first.

[@bloks41]

of course. but you pay for. :o

[@wardigwardog2694]

Lmfao. You guy's wanna make triplets?

[@theaceofspades485]

😂

[@aelfewulf]

thanks for another great vid! Much more fun than RTFM! shooting illegal fishermen was LOL

[@SavaTTAGGG]

I find it difficult

[@nitaihativa213]

Poor fisherman ;(

[@ScreamingElectron]

markpoint Overfly, not 0 fly

[@SimonPageVideo]

@tanit Cheers. Will try! :)

[@SDsc0rch]

"zero fly" is actually "OVERfly" that's an "oh" not a zero : )

[@FalcoGer]

I think it would be better if you named the controls by the actual name. Like: "To host the datalink, hold comms switch left for 2 seconds, by default that's control and o", instead of referring to the default controls and nothing else. That's because some people just bind all their hotas to their stick and throttle and not use the keyboard. Or like I did, I made my own controls from scratch.

[@tanit]

Check out my cockpit orientation tutorial

[@Spirit986]

thx man :)

[@FalcoGer]

what a cruel world. illegal fishing = f-16 gunning your boat

[@SplashHawk]

Bombing illegal fisherman? wow, glad you ain´t at the White House... ;-)