Falconry: New Goshawk Species?

In this falconry video I discuss new changes to the taxonomic classification of the Northern Goshawk and what it means to falconry and education. Northern Goshawks have been used in the sport of falconry for thousands of years.
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[@JFEnterprize]

I’m surprised I’m not already a falconer. In high school my favorite books were my side of the mountain and it’s sequel. Just noticed it’s a trilogy. Gonna have to read that one now. 😂

[@27Murasaki]

I own all 3 books. I'm also aspiring to become a falconer one day. I saw the movie of my side of the mountain when I was young, but didn't even know what falconry was back then. Right now I'm just reading up on falconry and working to make sure I am prepared when the time comes.

[@benwoodrufffalconry]

My side of the mountain is basically what got me into the sport

[@happybee7725]

I’m not familiar with this trilogy of books. I’ll need to look into that.

[@chimpz_ahoy1502]

​@@benwoodrufffalconryI swear that book was a gateway drug for almost all of us

[@ewanz.gregory9175]

Apparently, there's also some closely related or conspecific species in Africa and Australasia which also belong to the Accipiter gentilis complex. Namely, the Henst's goshawk, black goshawk, Grey goshawk and the Meyer's goshawk. I do recommend checking them out if you don't know about them Ben☺.

[@beani5003]

Hi Ben, love the video, always interesting when these kind of developments happen and how they might effect falconers. Bit of advice though, might want to lower the volume on the intro and outro to be more in line with the rest, as i'm finding myself having to lower the volume quite a lot at the start and end. Might be worth shortening the fadeout at the start as well.

[@benwoodrufffalconry]

So am I understanding right, music volume down overall, and also make the music fade out quicker at the start?

[@beani5003]

@benwoodrufffalconry yes please, it would just make it a bit more comfortable to watch/listen to. The fade out would probably better done in about half the time as it can drown out what you say at the start.

[@Xakrie]

Yes please! I want to hear you over the music!

[@RaptorGirlkathy]

Fascinating, Ben!! Thank you for pointing these distinctions out! 😊

[@pedroalexander8921]

If anyone is interested in pure white goshawks Tasmania does have such birds. In Australia we have the grey goshawks, Accipiter novaehollandiae. This species comes in two colour morphs, grey and white. The white morph being the only type to occur in Tasmania.

[@jantirpak7902]

Hello, I have experience with the Eurasian hawk like this. The subspecies accipiter g.gentilis attacks at shorter distances and does not like to repeat the attack. Accipiter g.buteoides attacks at longer distances and repeats the attack several times on a failed attack.

[@NMFalconry]

Finnish is not a subspecies. Gentilis and Buteoides are both native to Finland.

[@lohikarhu734]

Goshawks are truly "Tigers of the air"...

[@hulk4055]

Ben love your knowledge of falconry. I am trying to get started as an apprentice here in Indiana. Very hard to find any help. Could you please lead me in the right direction. Ty in advance.

[@crisitansardina9595]

Hey Ben anyway could we get a full vid on crowned and harpy eagles. Especially the falconry aspect to see who is hunting what with them.

[@suarezci]

Really interesting Ben, many accipiters have been separated. Did you read about caribbean SSH?

[@jenniferbates6836]

Hi Ben- I am interested in flying an American Goshawk in the future, but I am not aware of anyone in my area who has successfully hunted with one. Do you have any suggestions as to where I can direct my questions? Thanks!

[@johnf1296]

❤

[@myfalconry76]

Is there a link to the genetic analysis of the old world goshawks and the northern goshawks. I’m very interested in the source of this information.

[@oscarperez5628]

Hello, I would like to know if you can make a video talking about elanidos, elanus leucurus, elanus axillaris, etc. their use in falconry and what do you think of these species, thank you very much and very good content, greetings from Chile.

[@jfreid3174]

Ben, EXCELLENT video! If I may ask, why do you say the Goshawk is a high maintenance bird? I'm extremely curious about this statement thank you so much..

[@benwoodrufffalconry]

Goshawks (and any accipiter) typically require a lot of intense troubleshooting. A lot of thinking, and problem-solving. Making adjustments along the way. Even though you could technically say that with any bird of prey, my experience is that this is much more intensified with accipiters. For someone flying a goshawk, I usually recommend they only fly that bird and no other Bird. Give it all of your attention and time and hunted every day, and it will flourish. If you get sloppy with a goshawk, you end up paying for it.

[@RonWalt-w1m]

Hey Ben so enjoy your videos! How about a video on the north America taboo of crow hunting.? with a long wings? Something that is beneath most long wings ..lol jk I believe Rick has done it out your way with his cast of Peregrines

[@DoctorBloodmoney]

@benwoodrufffalconry You have so much experience with different birds. What are your thoughts on hunting on the beach? What birds do you think would be best suited to the beach?

[@benwoodrufffalconry]

Peregrine falcons can be a lot of fun to hunt at the beach or at rivers that feed into the ocean

[@junchan_3200]

I lived in Indiana and saw a ad from a ny breeder saying that his eagle owl is not protected by the migratory birds act therefor not needing any permit to do falconry with them. I was really surprised and confused cuz Indiana law did not separate native and non native raptors for falconry. I now finally understand 😂 some states are just more strict than others 😂

[@erinm9534]

Saiberein goshawk ❤

[@shae899]

As someone who's not part of the falconry world and just observes backyard raptors, this video made me curious. (2 adult pair of cooper's hawks this year, 1 and 2 fledglings from them, and an osprey fledgling from...somewhere, and a broad-winged fledgling who keeps trying to hang with the coops) I know you've spoken before about how most falconers dont keep birds approaching "hag' age, and usually release them to do their thing in the wild. (and that you cant take a hag from the wild) When it comes to goshawks, historically, since they havent previously been divided into different species-- was it acceptable to release European goshawks into the wild, here? If it was, did falconers tend to do so (i kind of imagine not since they bought these birds hand-reared, yes? but as I say, now I'm curious)? If this was a practice, will it continue to be now that they're not considered the same species?

[@benwoodrufffalconry]

I think anyone who flew an old world northern goshawk in the USA would have gotten it as a captive bred bird. And for the most part, the laws do not allow the intentional release of an imprint captive bred bird into the wild. So falconers flying old world gos just keep them and fly them. Flying a trained bird as a haggard is fine, we just don’t acquire them as a haggard. We get them as an eyas or passage age and then either release them later or keep flying them.

[@oliverholland2771]

Can the american goshawks interbreed with the eurasian goshawks?

[@benwoodrufffalconry]

Yes. They have been crossed extensively

[@yvonnerogers6429]

👍🏻

[@raphlvlogs271]

are goshawk populations declining in the wild?

[@benwoodrufffalconry]

They are stable in my area. Can’t vouch for elsewhere

[@goshawkrst]

So then.... what ssp exactly is the " finish " goshawk ??? We call them " finish " all the large goshawks that comes from northern europe..... Mine favorite is Albidus, and I belive the largest of all is the Buteoides, that we call " russian " goshawk... They are larger that goshawks coming from north europe, we call " finish "....

[@NMFalconry]

Gentilis and Buteoides are both native to Finland. "Finnish" goshawk is a useless term.

[@goshawkrst]

@@NMFalconry yes, we kinda know the Gentilis as the " finish gos " and the Buteoides as the " russian gos ".