Fall 2024 Pilot Hiring Update

[@Eli_S111]

Thank you so very much for making these videos! I am 50 years old and just registered for a professional pilot program. I have very few actual flight hours. So basically starting from scratch. I’m planning to complete my commercial pilot license this year. Before I came across your videos I was a little nervous that I might be making a crazy decision. I feel encouraged and hopeful again!

[@trent_dyrsmid]

You can do it! And be sure to use Microsoft flight simulator as a training aid. It will save you a lot of money.

[@amerlin4u]

I'm about to turn 52 and I am reaching my ATP minimums now....... Do It!

[@trent_dyrsmid]

@ good work!!

[@Youllneverknow143]

currently working on my ppl, about to take my checkride. I see alot of my instructors with 1500 hours still not getting picked up. its somewhat discouraging but your information just gave a boost to keep on pushing. thanks T.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

You’re welcome!

[@yevheniyromanchukevych4750]

It’s called minimums for a reason

[@trent_dyrsmid]

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[@Lifetolive4]

Hey im in the same spot taking my check ride next week , ive spent so much money already and to see its hiring freeze is sad

[@trent_dyrsmid]

@ good luck with your check ride!

[@captaintaylorsnipes]

Great video. I have to say from the bottom of my heart, thank you for making these videos. Your method inspired my own success when everyone around me was telling me I’d need twice the time I was proposing. I started training on March 11, two weeks ago on Nov 4 I was granted my Commercial Pilot Instrument ASEL temp cert. CFI and multi expected by end of year. Not nearly as fast as you, but it has been a fine pace and I’ve felt like I’ve had the time to explore offshoots such as diving into Advisory Circulars, nitpicking the FAR/AIM, and exploring accident case studies. I have also do quite a bit of home simming on the Pilot Edge network which has helped tremendously. You are an absolute beast for the pace you have set. It’s the benchmark! Thanks again for all that you do Trent!

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Thanks Taylor! I’m rooting for your success :)

[@captaintaylorsnipes]

@ thank you and likewise! 🙌🏼

[@trent_dyrsmid]

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[@jordanthomas5353]

First day flight instructing, 300 hours. Can be dejecting that everything slowed as I've wrapped the training. However, timing for that 1500 in a year or so could be stellar. Patience. Thanks for the content, Trent!!

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Jordan….you’re welcome!

[@ShotaSuzuki-ge1ff]

Good luck… I’m at 1600 but still no sign I can move on

[@iPlayOnSpica]

I'm still less than 50 flight hours, only 1450 more to go until I can be in an airline 😭

[@trent_dyrsmid]

I’m rooting for your success :)

[@staylame]

Focus on the path, not the mountain.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

👍

[@axelmarrufo3504]

You’ll get there my friend. Just enjoy the journey

[@trent_dyrsmid]

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[@clarencebenjaminlim]

Thank you. Im 43, and thinking of a career switch and thinking of doing my PPL in 2025.

[@ayleverett]

Love to see this info, sent your CFI one to some buds who just graduated as CFIs from their schools. Keep it up!

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@Pilot_Ralph]

I just attended RTAG in Dallas and most airlines are not hiring right now. They do project next year will return to a more normal level for new hires. With that said, there were three thousand people in attendance! Most with tons of hours,so lots of competition for those slots!

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Thanks Ralph!

[@VictoryAviation]

We probably walked right by each other 😅

[@trent_dyrsmid]

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[@bonchie1]

A note on Southwest is that the hiring they did do later this year is purely Destination 225 cadets they are getting through (and that program has been closed for years). They closed actual hiring mid-summer, and it's not going to open back up until 2026 at the earliest. Almost all of their issues are Boeing and the Max 7 not being certified.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Thanks for sharing your thoughtful comment with the community!

[@VictoryAviation]

When I had a meet and greet with SWA last month, what they said in no uncertain terms, was pretty much in line with what you just said. This is definitely good intel.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

👍

[@turk3790]

You put out the absolute best content brother.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Thanks!

[@wp4246]

Currently in Lear 31A school, doing sims not bad for a 1st type and just turned 50.

[@blaisebrunson3744]

Nice, Congratulations!!🍾 🎉

[@trent_dyrsmid]

@wp4246 congrats!!

[@koplebob]

great channel & quality, informative videos. not necessarily easy to find in today's landscape. keep doing what you're doing! channel will probably blow up once you get to make some day in the life pilot videos hahaha

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Much appreciated!

[@Oosik91]

Cool thing with United is that they are doing summer flights from New York to Nuuk Greenland with the new airport to open shortly.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Thanks so much for watching one of my videos! I really appreciate you taking a moment to comment!

[@jonahcolligan3285]

I have a Class date Dec 30th at skywest. I have heard current new class dates are in June (possibly type specific)

[@trent_dyrsmid]

So you are saying no classes between the end of December and June 2025? That definitely does not line up with what they told me.

[@jamesbabbath5306]

I'm currently at Skywest and I heard February from the instructors who teach new hire.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Thx

[@jonahcolligan3285]

@@trent_dyrsmidit may have been someone going for the e175. They have always had farther dates.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Yep

[@handyherman7777]

The problem my friend is worse than you describe. There is a shortage of parts for A320 & B787 engine overhaul. Latin american and america/canadian airlines are no different to the rest of the world. Taxes are huge in Canada, forget going there to work, not to mention an absurd housing shortage and out of control inflation.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Would love the links to all the data you used to form your opinion. I’m sure the other members of the community would find it very helpful as well.

[@handyherman7777]

@ Trent. For the lates situation update about Canada, just search on you tube and there are half a dozen really good videos on why Canada is failing and has deteriorated in leaps and bounds. As for the shortage of engine parts, I fly for a flag carrier that wants to grow it’s heavy fleet but instead is stuck with grounding 2 B787 next year due to OH shops not having spare components on the shelves. This is not on the web, it is right out of many meetings with engine parts suppliers and several engine OH shops in USA and abroad. Plus the shortage of qualified Techs to work at these shops has greatly diminished after pandemic. The older guys either retired or passed due to Covid, and not enough young guys are showing up at the door with resumes in hand willing to earn upwards of $60 an hour to start. Lets see how Trump wont fix this either. There is plenty skilled labour for this in Latin America, but USCIS doesn’t care either…

[@trent_dyrsmid]

This for the additional details!

[@QualityContentRick]

Great video Trent.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@MikhailAbbott]

How do you like Boise? Thinking of moving my family out of Washington. How do you like flying out there

[@trent_dyrsmid]

@@MikhailAbbott Flying in Boise is great! 300 days of sunshine per year!

[@0320-h1d]

Hey Trent, thank you for the update.How many flight hours do you have?

[@trent_dyrsmid]

1500-ish

[@douglasguptill5028]

Trent, as someone extremely interested in jumping into the airline industry from financial forecasting, i really appreciate the reporting and supporting evidence of the current hiring situation. My one question that i have though is how does the flight school pipeline look feeding these airlines? You mentioned they're bursting at the seams. Are there any reports out there that quantify the number of pilots in training that would indicate how much supply is being increased that will flow into these upcoming positions? Just trying to gauge whether or not the industry will experience the bull-whip theory and if current trainees (supply) will satisfy upcoming positions (demand) before i jump from a career in finance to living my dream of aviation. I would appreciate your thoughts.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Doug…. my evidence is anecdotal at best, but here’s what I know. From speaking with a few Flight School owners their business is definitely down. This doesn’t really come as a surprise because as soon as hiring slows, it would be a natural consequence that enrollments would slow down as well. I would encourage you to do your own research to get a feel for this. If you want hard data, use Google to direct you to the data on number of student pilot certificates issued by the FAA. Unfortunately, the newest of this data is from 2023 so it will be of limited value.

[@douglasguptill5028]

Thanks, @trent_dyrsmid! I truly appreciate your insight on this and the additional guidance. That's a great idea about checking how many certificates have been issued. Like you mentioned, the data will have a significant lag but depending on the data available I can compare and contrast year-over-year changes in issuance. Perhaps highlighting a decent trend. Thanks for your thoughts, I love the channel and your interaction. Godspeed!

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Thx Doug!

[@SUP33RMARIO]

thought you went to skywest??

[@robertthomas2032]

I believe he starts training for them in February

[@trent_dyrsmid]

He told me that I’m slated for a training class in February. They also tell you that they’re going to send you an email 60 days before the start of your training class. I have not yet received an email so I do not yet have an exact class date.

[@bonchie1]

They are way backed up on class dates, as are all the regionals.

[@donniecole3472]

How about Skywest charters ,I retire in two weeks?

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Not sure…

[@MrDbrault]

Not only is Spirit not hiring, they are fuloughing. 130 pilots on the street now and 320ish scheduled for Furlough in January. Plus a few hundred more captain downgrades.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Thx for sharing.

[@michael_viteritti]

Great video with a great analysis. Thanks Trent =)

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Michael….it was my pleasure!

[@swolenation8550]

Another great content Trent, Thank you

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@ismaelmasso6662]

Great insights, I can't find similar information for the European/UK market.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Ismael, thanks so much for watching one of my videos! I really appreciate you taking a moment to comment!

[@richarddastardly6845]

Because it doesn’t exist. I’m based in Western Europe and I can’t find a flying job, been qualified over 10yrs now with no luck. I wish I had access to the US job market

[@ismaelmasso6662]

@@richarddastardly6845 that’s a bummer, sorry to hear that. Which country are you based? EU market isn’t as good as US

[@richarddastardly6845]

@ - it’s fine, story of my life. I’m based in Ghana at the moment but I have a UK CAA licence & passport. It’s nowhere near as good, I trained with an American guy who is similar age and ethnicity to me, he’s now a captain at Delta. The discrimination in certain places is unreal, shame really but such is life

[@trent_dyrsmid]

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[@enriquegaleanomorales]

HiTrent. Have you read anywhere when Boeing will increase or what the numberof planes they will deliver on Dec 2024 and onwards?

[@trent_dyrsmid]

I don’t have that data. Sry!

[@TheHoopBasement]

Great video. Love the statistics ! Do you think that with a hiring boost at the airlines in 2025 and 2026, there will be more hiring of corporate pilots because of pilots leaving corporate and going to the airlines?

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Yes, and I say that because eventually Boeing will sort out its problems and deliveries will resume and when deliveries resume, Pilot hiring will also resume.

[@OfficialJatheforceYT]

Planning on my PPL now.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

👍👍

[@Snoobysnack]

Hey Trent, love the videos can you look into interviewing pilots that fly for international carriers to compare the QL and pay? I’ve heard a lot of different things mainly second hand horror stories from pilots who only have ever flown domestically. My back ground is in Mandarin Chinese and I always wondered about the possibilities of flying from here to there. Things im interested in is, how do the regulations differ, QL as mentioned previously and how difficult is it to transfer from a domestic airline to international and back

[@trent_dyrsmid]

I love the idea, but I don’t know any of these pilots personally.

[@michaelsmith5463]

QUESTION: Trent: I don't think I understand why ongoing retirements create *more* demand than the current demand. Even though Boeing & Airbus have problems...why wouldn't retirements just be replaced as normal??

[@trent_dyrsmid]

It comes down to demographics. Thanks to the number of baby boomers that were born, there is a significant wave of retirements of those boomers at this point in time.

[@donniecole3472]

How about sky West charters, I retire in two weeks?

[@trent_dyrsmid]

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[@captain77]

great information presented in an easy to follow manner. Nice job Trent.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Thanks very much!

[@CJWillyCreates]

I have a question. Does the IATA consider plane shortage in their seat-kilometer equation? I imagine that dramatically skews the statistic if they don't

[@trent_dyrsmid]

I don’t know.

[@NYCgragas]

Though I am not 100% persuaded by your thesis. I sincerely hope you are right and I am wrong.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

@@NYCgragas thx for watching

[@andrewcannon8552]

What about Spirit bankruptcy?

[@trent_dyrsmid]

What about it?

[@andrewcannon8552]

@ how do you think their looming bankruptcy will affect pilot hiring going into 2025?

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Little if any.

[@TerminalJoshua]

Where did you get the hiring amount graphic?

[@trent_dyrsmid]

I just checked my notes and I neglected to make a reference to the URL from where I got that graphic. Sorry about that.

[@MikesGarageReviews]

Are there more people coming into aviation? I've talked to people and they said the people coming into commercial is up 300%

[@trent_dyrsmid]

The FAA is the best source for that data and you can see it here. As you can see, the most recent data is from last year. www.faa.gov/data_research/aviation_data_statistics/civil_airmen_statistics

[@Alr5334]

Newly christened CFI here. Really like all the facts and statistics. However, “pilot shortage” doesn’t quite have the same ring to it like back in 2021 when new hires were going from right seat at regional, to right seat for a major, within 12-24 months. I think the airbus and Boeing issues are definitely the most prevalent issues for the current hiring landscape. With this being noted, there are still A TON of flight schools with 1500+ hour CFI’s right now. Making it very difficult for me to find a job as a new CFI. This is vastly due to the ‘21-‘22 hiring boom and the fact that a lot of those people are still taking up a lot of space as FO’s. Good video, but the term “pilot shortage” struck me as a bit click baity given how much things have changed in the last few years.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

The thumbnail didn’t contain the word shortage…and according to Boeing and the FAA, there is a shortage….but as we all know, just not in 2024. Thx for watching!

[@michaelsmith5463]

Please paste the link to the documents. Thanks! I'm going to read that study...who is funded by??...doesn't make sense on the surface for such a big shortfall in 2026.--Boeing's deliveries will just continue at a steady rate once approved; which should be a negligible increase IMO, depending on the "release" rate the FAA allows Boeing.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

The notes can be found on my website under the products drop down.

[@dmacnet]

Any changes in part 135?

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Changes?

[@dmacnet]

@@trent_dyrsmid I just meant, have you seen any trends in the demand for charter pilots, like you covered for part 121?

[@trent_dyrsmid]

It wasn’t something that I researched. I’ll cover it next time if I can find data.

[@dmacnet]

Since it's less centralized than part 121 I'm sure accurate data is harder to gather, but it would be interesting if you find anything since that's one way people build time to work up to the majors.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

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[@peggyh9320]

Nice video

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Peggy… thanks so much for watching and I’m glad you enjoyed it!

[@mannygathers2114]

Is Canada picking up a lot of the flying slack? I see a nice chunk of pilot jobs in Canada🤔 Thoughts Trent???

[@trent_dyrsmid]

I’ve not been looking for jobs in Canada. Would love it if you would share a link to the website or sites that you are looking at.

[@mannygathers2114]

@ I have been on Pilots Global looking at the various jobs worldwide. Canada seems to post a healthy amount; not major airline gigs but a variety of smaller operations. Look like a small trend to my eye.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Thx!

[@elliottmilnes]

Any demand for gulfstream pilots looking to get my pilots license

[@trent_dyrsmid]

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[@maxmora6959]

I’m 21 now working a pipeline patrol gig til December 2025. This gives me a lot of hope.❤

[@trent_dyrsmid]

thank you so much for watching. Glad it was helpful!

[@VictoryAviation]

Which company did you end up flying for?

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Who are you asking?

[@VictoryAviation]

@@trent_dyrsmid If you’re asking me who I was asking, I was asking @maxmora6959 what pipeline company they ended up working for.

[@reallifeacecombat6131]

How long did it take you to land that job? I just got my com cert yesterday and just started looking for first jobs

[@maxfrenn3281]

Trent. I remember sending you several messages regarding this “slowdown”. Maybe you remember. Unfortunately you pinned me as being negative. I promise you that is not the case. A true health of any corporation is OM “operating margin”. Not just revenue. A more informative information for your viewers will be. How to handle (when the music stops) its not negative it’s important. You can still have success during these times. I don’t want you to have any bad impressions but be careful this spring.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

[@larrymiller1426]

Thabknyou

[@trent_dyrsmid]

You’re welcome! Larry!

[@staffbull]

Are you an amz seller still?

[@trent_dyrsmid]

No. Sold that business years ago.

[@FishFlyMusic]

Not sure why this vid qualifies as an update. Great data regarding hiring and market analysis. But industry experts have been providing the same primary reason for lack of hiring for months. Boeing and Airbus (for the most part). The public knows travel demand is high and the airlines won’t be able to keep up until the majors properly recover. And the Renton strike is over as of last week (when was this video made?). The focus, as of today, is Boeing laying off approximately 10% of its workforce post holiday which will further exasperate airliner supply into 2025. Sorry to be a downer, but the title jives with clickbait as opposed to “update.”

[@trent_dyrsmid]

You really seem to have quite a negative attitude. Why do you watch my channel? It was an update for my channel and it was filmed two weeks ago. Lighten up there, buddy.

[@FishFlyMusic]

@trent_dyrsmid Just calling it like I see it. I watched the vid cause I’m invested in aviation. I too am a career 2.0er in aviation and attempt to keep pace by listening to what people in the industry have to say. I’m not a subscriber, but I’ve seen other content from you that was spot on for the most part. I just assume that when folks see “update” they expect the most up to date data and information.

[@trent_dyrsmid]

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[@jimg205]

What happened to your pursuit of the airlines ? And your Skywest interview? Your latest videos make no mention of being hired

[@trent_dyrsmid]

You have not been watching my videos. I received a job offer many months ago. I have now completed my 1500 hours and I am starting jet training in February.

[@ChiLegend92]

First

[@trent_dyrsmid]

Woot!

[@michaelsmith5463]

Always feels good being first. (Except 1rst Loser) 🤣

[@trent_dyrsmid]

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