Falling in Love with Being again | with John Vervaeke

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

Thank you for being here and listening. If now is the time for you to read Being and Time consider enrolling in my course here halkyonacademy.teachable.com/p/martin-heidegger-being-and-time-masterclass

[@IngridHurwitz]

course looks amazing. Unfortunately outside my budget but I wish you huge success. Wonderful work. The linguistic sensitivity is just a delight

[@johnvervaeke]

This will come out on my channel as well, but I am so happy that he has release it!! This is such a wonderful discussion. Thank you Johannes.

[@wehsee912]

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[@IngridHurwitz]

so grateful for the clarification of sati vs the eternal now as nihilistic. fantastic insight. Isn't it interesting that in a 'post-truth" late capitalist atomised world the only apparent refuge would be in the individualistic "the now" as the closest alternative to participation? We can do nothing alone and disconnected. The sangha is humanity

[@aimcrux2231]

Just found this but I’m gonna have to rewatch at least a couple times while taking notes. There was a considerable unfolding taking place and I hope one day I can expand my participation in said unfolding. Thank you both gentlemen for the struggle and growth that these kind of dialogues have on seeking minds!

[@johnwoodcock3880]

Congratulations for a most inspiring conversation! On a personal note, it is heart-warming to find two men in dialogue, inspiring each other to further leaps, rather than the usual and incredibly boring desire to dominate any thinking alternative to one’s own. Your creative excitement is palpable! I also want to point our for readers an astounding claim briefly made by Johannes: “the metaphysical birthright of the human being [to be] born in this dimension but that dimension doesn't speak to us anymore.” Stark empirical evidence supporting this claim accumulates rapidly on a daily basis now as the despoliation of the world rises exponentially. But to put the matter phenomenologically as “this dimension does not speak to us anymore” opens the critical question, “is there a dimension that DOES speak to us”? We get enticing clues from this talk, such as “in some sense the future begins to alter the past.” And “the gathering together of past, present and future”… This strange new way of thinking temporality is in fact getting a grip on the human soul through the arts (think of Terminator-Philip K Dick, a modern prophet/philosopher). Others are portraying the incursion of a “fourth dimension” into our usual one-all attempts to find the poetic language to SAY what in fact is drawing our creative energies towards its reality. It speaks to us loudly now!

[@emilthiels6256]

Hello, have a beautiful day to both of you, thanks

[@danielmartines3859]

Loved this dialogos. So grateful to both Vervaeke and Niederhauser. Loved the tension to describe Logos. Specially trying to converge on a structure to describe Being and Phenomena. And the use of “Logos” as a medium for the middle voice, or how phenomena manifests itself and becomes relevant to us, i.e. as relevance is realized. The point about concealing and un-concealing reminds me of Buddhist’s dependent origination cycle and the constant cycle of generation of phenomena 35:00 41:18 as far as what Heidegger is doing outside of the propositional. It’s not that semantic meaning doesn’t have a role. But it’s just a tool that can help us to understand phenomena, but it’s not phenomena itself. Phenomena is much more participatory vs other ways to intelligibility. It is much more effortless like Wu Wei, in the Dao De Jing. Being cannot be explained but it is Obvious, as Heidegger puts in the beginning of his book 46:07 this section gave me a whole appreciation of the co-existence of Being and Phenomena, as if distinct yet one of the same. 1:10:00 The point around leaving the cave and returning to it "the cave never disappears" is a great reminder. Yes out of compassion, yes out of agape! That's akin to the bodhisattva's sacrifice - leave the nirvana realm, return to the world, and help all sentient beings. Thank you for engaging on this practice.

[@meinking22]

"Philosophy is Real...these thoughts, carry the world." Just catching up on this dialogos. Absolutely excellent. Thank you for sharing.

[@IngridHurwitz]

"Moeglichkeit"! thank you :) I love this!

[@ChristianGrossCG]

1:05:00 you just got to love the german language. "Möglichkeit" might sometimes be better translated to "likelihood"

[@BertWald-wp9pz]

Nourishment of being. How to go beyond words?

[@DawsonSWilliams]

Aporia is the key to philosophizing. Displacement is a brilliant term! Wittgenstein epitomized the puzzlement and the concern that arises, when engaged in philosophy: “A philosophical problem has the form of: “I don’t know my way about.”

[@ingestarainbow]

Beautiful dialogue. Thanks to you both. It's a real privilege to get to listen in to you discuss these themes. I could listen to hours and hours of this! Thanks

[@82472tclt]

I think reading Heidegger and the way he wrote is itself a "practice" by his design

[@KevinFlowersJr]

*by his Dasein

[@alexandrazachary.musician]

@@KevinFlowersJr 🤣🤣🤣

[@IngridHurwitz]

absolutely. It is a full being mind-blowing being-altering experience

[@thomassimmons1950]

Pure Fireworks 🎆!!

[@climbingmt.sophia]

First of all I would like to thank you both. This is a tremendous dialogue which opened many significant portals for me. I especially resonated with the mapping around Time, and am finding thrownness, projection and concern deeply resonant. The point about time seeming fleeting due to a fleeting confrontation with death is an excellent frame to view my own experience, how time seems to have grown immeasurably more dense as I have taken care to work with Death.

[@thomassimmons1950]

This may very well be the most instructive and important video dialogues I've experienced. Can't say enough about it.

[@barbarabartels5449]

evolving!

[@ellentewkesbury5936]

Thank you for a wonderful gift to my ear, so to speak... to precious hearing..

[@PositivelySpicy]

Thanks

[@moisebenezra]

Thank you for helping me see.

[@nathanpoole-mccullough9104]

This is brilliant! What is the relationship between love and being as such!

[@albertsonntag754]

Thanks!

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

Thank you very much

[@leedufour]

Thanks Johannes and John!

[@dalibofurnell]

This is probably one of my absolute favorite conversations, I find myself taking part in it 😅 if you understand how the renewal of the mind works and can do that as a practise it helps here. It is possible to teach but one needs to seek to learn it.

[@EcstaticTemporality]

I appreciate this talk. Do you recommend Hubert Dreyfus's "Being-in-the-World: A Commentary on Heidegger's Being and Time, Division I" as a supplement to BT?

[@archanglemercuri]

we like how our gears of their, they’re, there, reflect distance or time. do we like music as much? Usually 8 counts, yet to a major scale of sounds how one/• are we 😝 haha. ♾️ great to meet more friends in you two chatting 👏🏽💞

[@archanglemercuri]

also, because we don’t know anything, we just are allowed to share what is gno’n at times… perhaps we could ask: • how to the best way to ask: • communally help us with our beanstalk, and the soil 🙏🏽 • because we also believe midwifing is a yield along the way • when the beanstalk shakes it makes blurs our vision 🔽 oh by the way, have we seen the Exodus series? 🔼 sometimes the conversation goes to the left of Dr. Peterson and it’s like time again shows up verrrry closely ♾️🤓 👟 • also John Vervæke, we really like those 1st set of shoes you wore the other day 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 seen those

[@archanglemercuri]

burdens of existence 🫠 but so we may be of more service 🙏🏽

[@blavatovsky9553]

Huuuge !!!❤

[@tomdocherty3755]

Isn’t this Heidegger’s attempt to convey some thing of the teaching of Dogen, master and 13th century founder of Soto Zen. His works in Shobogenzo speaks a great deal of Being-Time.

[@dorothypollex1329]

what Marty was going for is impossible to analyze. Its the authentic expression of everyday experience. dasein is being here now, fully with emotion, cognition and body instrument.

[@wehsee912]

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[@alexandrazachary.musician]

Great conversation. Thank you gentlemen! 💜Is apophatic logos the same as no-self doctrine in Buddhism? Sunyata? It feels like it is especially in the propositional/semantic blockage to direct experiential knowledge. I am no Heidegger scholar but what I've read seems to fit with my practice of meditation (if I have any grasp whatsoever). The European tradition seems to need so many words 😂. The Zen master just slaps you and explodes your brain with a koan. To each his own I guess. 🧠❤🙏

[@DawsonSWilliams]

I have the perfect recommendation for you- Nagarjuna’s “Fundamental Wisdom of The Middle Way.” The text is an immense philosophical treatment of Sunyata; enough to satisfy the western philosopher. You could even read Wittgenstein in tandem with Nagarjuna for a true philosophical meditation.

[@alexandrazachary.musician]

@@DawsonSWilliams I know Nargarjuna well. I am much more of an Eastern than Western scholar. Wittgenstein… saving him up for my old age. 🙏🏽

[@danielmartines3859]

Thanks!

[@JohannesNiederhauser]

Thank you very much