Falling in Love with The Ithaca Saga | Would You Fall in Love With Me Again Reaction

[@thebookbatcave]

Please let me know which animatics I should react to for both the Vengeance and Ithaca Saga. Also I apologise for how much I just yapped these last 2 videos but I obviously felt that I had a lot to say 🤦‍♀️

[@juanmarcuscaberoy5378]

For the last two sagas you should consider watching the live stream it’s on Jorge’s channel

[@Shmurph]

I highly recommend VirusAP's animatic for The Challenge because their art style is gorgeous and their design for Penelope is probably my favorite so far, I haven't seen anyone go in the direction they did with her design.

[@milkyzzy5474]

Definitely watch VirusAP's Charybdis and The Challenge animatics! They're both SUUUCH MASTERPIECES!!!

[@gabrielteh1458]

Watch the livestream plsss

[@marcusolarte3764]

I’d recommend Zieru’s “Dangerous” and Duvetbox’s “Six Hundred Strike” if you aren’t doing the livestream

[@auraa411]

Basically in the original story, Odysseus literally built whole palace around that olive tree that's a part of their wedding bed, what a man

[@themoonlit-wolf3773]

THATS SO WHOLESOME OUR BOY

[@xiny_n]

wait what!!!??539_!39 THATS SO CRAZYYY

[@LandonFugal]

7:55 it’s Scyllas motif. “Drown in your sorrow and fears,” that riff

[@jform2]

Its also "all you got to do is not open this bag"

[@felpsp1493]

I've Been searching, and on wiki its says its NSFLY, and there's a discord link on the source, probably from jay discord. But only patreon members have access

[@XIXVOLTAG3]

And “there is no price he won’t pay” in mutiny

[@rustyattacker]

​​@@felpsp1493 Its NSFLY, I clicked the link and it goes to a message where Jorge confirmed it a year ago.

[@LiviListens]

There's too many notes in it to be that line. 8 beats, and "Drown in your sorrow and fears" is 7. Like felpsp1493 said, it sounds much more like Not Sorry For Loving You, specifically "But not in the way that you want me too" - and this would fit the line Odysseus is singing in this part, because with the way he parted with her, a part of him does likely feel like he's hurt Calypso's life by leaving her, as she will be alone once again. I know she's a rather controversial character, but from what Jorge has explained in his videos and Odysseus's final words to her, it's clear that he does care for her, after all they spent 7 years together - but he could never love her the way he loves his wife. Odysseus very well could have been dead if it weren't for Calypso on top of it. He was lucky he ended up on her island and not stayed in the ocean where Poseidon could've found him. She did not make the right decision in keeping him there against his will, but with where Odysseus's mind was after the end of the Thunder Saga, he could've been more of a danger to himself had he been alone. So the TL;DR basically is Odysseus does feel like he's hurt Calypso's life because she did save him in a way even though her methods were immoral, and he just left her there alone again - even though that was the right decision for him to make

[@vic-c2x]

Penelope really said: don't you dare tell me what I feel, I waited 20 years for this moment and I want let anyone ruin it, not even you. Now come here, you need cuddles, aggressive cuddles.

[@RacketEPIC]

15:48 this is also a No Longer You callback, the "for.... You...." Is a direct callback to "but it's no longer..... You...."

[@rymasan5489]

It s present in different beast too i think , i remember it from there more , at the end : ohhh ohhh ohhh ODYESSEUS

[@LyricalBeauty1090]

@@rymasan5489that was the first thing I thought of when I heard that

[@RacketEPIC]

@rymasan5489 it shifts from Different Beast into No Longer You if anything

[@andronixbegayaf]

10:20 1. Just wait a few seconds lmao 2. Yep, olive tree is a holy tree of our girl Athena. She created them during the contest against Posaidon for the patronage over what we now call Athens(if it wasn't obvious, she won) (also if you're curious she offered Athenians the tree and olives themselves and Posaidon offered a spring of salty water and horses)

[@JustKels]

Altogether, the “Waiting”s take 20 seconds - for 20 years. The 7 times may or may not be significant, but that is as many years as he was on Calypso’s island, maybe when people started trying to convince her to give up on the idea that he was still alive. Also I think you have it right with “the ends always justify the means.” I think the melody during the “for” in For You is from Different Beasts - at least I don’t recall it showing up earlier. It’s a nice nod to her mindset: she’s not saying it’s untrue that he’s changed, just that she’ll choose him anyways.

[@dayashissh]

The melody in "for" also appears earlier in Remember them if im not mistaken. The men who are with Ody on the cave sing it when they're attacking the cyclops (in the "Woo-oh, woo-oh, woo-oh oh..." when Ody sings "Now!" and "Scatter!") and also when Ody is telling the cyclops who he is. ("... Remember us, _remember me. [woo-woo-oh, woo-oh oh, woo oh oh])_ I think it's a wink on the fact that Penelope's reminding Ody of who he is. Hence _"Remember them"_ , she remembers him, and she wants him to do so too (that he's just a man who wanted to get home to his wife and son. That's all.)

[@MW-kf5ox]

@@dayashisshor it is Penelope taking the „Woah - Odysseus“ and makes it „For - You“, taking the theme for his name and reminding him that she sees him like was and is and that nothing has changed in how she views him

[@arghhhhy5874]

I've seen people count the 7 as the seven sagas preceding this one. As in she's been waiting saga after saga for him to get back home.

[@djwilson1993]

7:51 I’m 90 percent certain that that’s supposed to call back to Scylla: “Drown in your sorrow and fears”

[@serendipitish]

And also the melody of "there is no price he won't pay"

[@DecidueyeGG]

I hear: “we are the same you and I” from Scylla.

[@LiviListens]

Too many beats. This melody is 8, while the Scylla one is 7 and isn't the same notes used in the last 3. From what I understand, Jorge confirmed on discord it's from Not Sorry For Loving You. "(Not) in the way that you want me to"

[@fabialee3396]

I love your reactions! And yes the 7 waitings is because she waited 7 sagas for her husband! 15:05

[@River_Devil]

It was 8 sagas

[@xano2921]

​@@River_DevilWisdom Saga and Vengeance Saga practically happen at the same time

[@noamhar-even4286]

@@River_Devil 9+, we started with "10 years of war they killed us slowy"

[@digimonbillomon]

Also she holds the waiting for 20 seconds for the 20 years

[@tuamigalariat41]

Maybe because in the 7 first sagas Odysseus is more merciful and open arms while that last Ooh Penelope does makes reference of the Vengeance saga, the 8th saga, where Odysseus learns that ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves.

[@sharinganwolf2784]

Oh thank god I need this so bad. I'm just gonna make some predictions: You will cry. You will have a small heart attack. You will bawl like a baby (and yes that is different from crying).

[@someothermon584]

I actually really like what Jorge did with the marriage bed test in Epic, because in the original, it was used in story to test whether the man standing before Penelope was actually Odysseus, and not some shapeshifting god or monster, and metatextually to show that Odysseus and Penelope are of one mind/SOULMATES! On the other hand in Epic, Penelope uses it to prove to Odysseus that at HIS ROOT, he is still the same man, like their marriage bed is still the same tree where they met! I love love love how Jorge adapted this scene!

[@allykat2.015]

Around 7:30 I think the tone is “There is no price you wont pay” thats what I hear at least.

[@turgidplants5544]

15:05 Waiting troy saga Waiting Cyclops saga "Penelope" ocean saga (so close to home, wind bag open, odysseus far from home) Waiting circe saga Waiting underworld saga "Penelope" thunder saga (odysseus close to home, sun god cow ded ded, lost his way home) Waiting wisdom saga Waiting vengeance saga Waiting ithaca saga 9 sagas

[@nathanroy4000]

I think she also wanted Him to realize that his feelings have not changed. if he was truly changed so much and so run down that he couldn't get angry about something so central and personal to him then he wouldn't be himself. but anger is a type of passion too, she needed to get the rise out of him to prove to him. and to a lesser degree herself, that he is the same man she fell in love with even if the tree is more weathered. also Odysseus says waiting, waiting for love. she says, no i was waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting waiting waiting for you. there are flashbacks to her waiting and going through different stages of grief in the visuals, like she is explaining that while he was doing all these things she was stuck waiting, a gentle rebuke that he doesn't realise how long she was waiting, and more importantly. she was not waiting for love. if she wanted love she could have gone and found it. she waited for him. specifically. on a final note, I know my wife mostly uses pet names for me, its part of the way she expresses her love but when she says my name its different and unique than the way everyone else says it and i like that too. i think Odysseus and Penelope are like that, she calls him husband and such because reminding herself of that makes her happy. he calls her Penelope because her name does that for him. also would not be surprised if the example comes from Jorge's parents. Also great reaction! 🙂

[@SkyJustDontCare]

5:09 “Ruthlessness is Mercy upon ourselves” (Ocean Saga) 5:32 “Thunder Bringer” (Thunder Saga) 6:41 “I’m Not Sorry for Loving You” (Vengeance Saga) Listen to the syllables and the melody the piano keys go in. There are 8 piano notes and It’s fits with melody I’m not so-rry for lov-ing you. It’s basically going through his Journey and if it went Ocean than Thunder on the first two, it would only make sense to have melody for a song that’s after the Thunder Saga, and since Wisdom mostly focused on Athena, Vengeance would be the next option since it focuses on Odysseus.

[@adamsutton1748]

WOAH you’re the first person I’ve noticed catch the thunder bringer motif on their first listen 👏👏👏

[@XIXVOLTAG3]

7:55 I’m pretty sure it’s the crew saying “there is no price he won’t pay” in Mutiny

[@Starryflame]

Which is also Scylla who he traded their 6 of their lives to for his chance to get home

[@nudgificator]

12:15 - Dream Penelope said "Odysseus, they're opening the bag, wake up!" in KYFC, but that's the only time.

[@_lizovetochka_7536]

The "I loooove youuu" at the end of the song is the most adorable thing I've ever heard 😍

[@GodBear97]

imo she focuses on what he means to her rather than his name. she says my love, my husband etc. because that's what he needs to be reassured of

[@mariannachierici2944]

I have a theory about not using the name since that has changed too when he became the Monster: in "Odysseus" we have original Greek prounciation Odisseús, but in all EPIC he's being called with the modern by his crew, his mom, Athena, every other God and himself too says "Odìsseus", so the name couldn't work to remember Odysseus the Man that he is. But Penelope making Odysseus recall his everlasting love does the trick, and that's why we hear the electric guitar motif when he yells about the roots of his bed and the olive tree, it's the same motif we hear when he reveals his identity to Polyphemus :)

[@nudgificator]

The part with the bed is almost an inversion of the way it is in The Odyssey. In most versions she asks for the bed to be brought into the room they're in when they meet, whereas in Epic she asks him to move it away from her. I love how when he's reacting we get a bit of the 'angry Ody' electric guitar coming in as he starts to raise his voice, and she snaps back just as strongly with her "I guess that makes him you!" He's kept her waiting for so long (OK not his fault), she is *not* going to take him shouting at her as soon as she gets him back, however glad she is to see him.

[@dinoboypro]

I love Penelope’s danger motif, shows she was ready to end him if he didn’t pass the test 😂

[@StrawberryFairy2]

Girlie literally starts ascending the second she hears Penelope's voice

[@duolingoowl920]

10:00 yes!! In Gigi’s just a man you can see the olive tree bed. It’s exactly how I imagined it

[@danieldavid3766]

7:00 It is 100% I’m not sorry for loving you. A lot of people think it’s from Scylla, but they’re probably not hearing the first two notes.

[@Starryflame]

Nah, I'm not Sorry for Loving you goes up rather than down like Scylla's motif plus it's lyrics dont fit, since it's about lives rather than one life

[@30092nana]

15:11 7 Waiting’s, 7 Sagas she’s waited until this one

[@ChaosQueen623]

OMG HELP-

[@CORBIN2263YT]

I've always interpreted the "Oh" as an 8th, for all 8 sagas up until Ithaca

[@30092nana]

@ Ooo! That’s an amazing interpretation!

[@musicannalea]

YOUR REACTIONS ARE THE ONLY ONES I WATCH I LOVE YOU TOO

[@rymasan5489]

ANNAAAAAAA YOU RE SOOO COOL AND SWEET TO COMMENT ❤ WE ALL LOVE YOU AND YOUR VOICE IS GODLY AMAZING ❤ YOU RE OUR QUEEEENNNN

[@thebookbatcave]

Thank you so much 🫶 Your voice is absolutely stunning and I’m obsessed with your performance as Penelope (if you can’t already tell)

[@emmanuelgrossiordmayen3906]

Here we gooo, time to watch someone else cry about that masterpiece of a song !!

[@nutelasaur9453]

I think it's a very nice reinvention of the test from the original Odyssey, more about reminding Odysseus that he is still a man (despite his fears and guilt) that Penelope loves and will always love.

[@Starryflame]

7:00 I believe it's Scyalla's motif , the other ones I haven't picked up on other than the first being Poseidon's trumpets

[@avita.exarii]

Not sure if anyone had commented this, but when Penelope’s repeated “Waiting…” I’m pretty sure was 20 seconds which signifies the 20 years they were apart, and also, she said “waiting..” 7 times which I also believe that signifies the 7 sagas leading up to now. Anyways I love your videos! ❤ Edit: Or the 7 times she said “waiting” it could signify the 7 years with Calypso?

[@arrentha]

what a way to end the entire thing “I LOVE YOU” AHAHAAAAAAAAAA IM CRYING AND SCREWMINN

[@RonanJayTolinero]

Watch the Livestream animatics on your own time if you'd like, you'll understand why Penelope puts constant emphasis on her "Waiting" for Odysseus to come home... 👍

[@Apollo_Helios]

17:18 “I honestly don’t have much to say” I disagree since there are EIGHT MINUTES AND 22 SECONDS LEFT!!But I will enjoy all of it😊

[@kyrabergen3553]

Me, listening to that final instrumental bit and weeping: He's just a man, who's finally come home! After twenty years away from wife and son and throne! T_T

[@tuamigalariat41]

6:03 "Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves" from both Ruthlessness and Get in the water. 6:13 "I'm just a man" from Just a man. Most likely because he killed prince Hector's baby boy. 7:55 "Drown in your sorrow and fears" from Scylla or "There is no price he won't pay" from Mutiny. It could also be a mix cuz they're both next to the other one. 14:41 to 15:07 Theory: maybe the seven waitings make reference of the first seven sagas when Odysseus was more merciful and "open arms" while that last "Ooh" Penelope does might make reference of the Vengeance saga, the 8th saga, where Odysseus learns that "Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves".

[@xiny_n]

21:23 ARCANE!! Cant wait to see what you have in store!! Happy new years to you and everyone btw!! Hope the new year brings new happy memories for yall AGHHH

[@beanixwarrior]

total sidenote but your hair looks great! and i would LOVE to hear your thoughts about arcane + a roomies reaction would be fun

[@maryumk1111]

I might be reaching but there’s also 7 sagas between the Troy saga and the Ithaca saga which could just be a coincidence but I take it as a reflection of how long she’s been waiting for him and enduring while he was going though all of that

[@buggymah]

Your reaction to this song is soooo real! It’s absolutely gorgeous omg I love this song ❤️❤️

[@seanchesteralexisexamen5964]

That orchestral reprise of *Just A Man* felt so happy and triumphant but deep inside to us who all listened to the whole musical it was like a stab to the heart. How can you evoke two conflicting feelings with just a sound? Idk, ask Jorge apparently he did just that. 😂

[@LeLu1616]

I broke when the trumpets started playing at the end.

[@antdelros6180]

7:00 "There is no price he wont pay" from Mutiny

[@DenisseDMoon]

And Scylla

[@Kur_th3r15]

It's actually "we" in syclla ​@@DenisseDMoon

[@JavieraMegan]

I think that Penelope's 7 "waitings" add up to Odysseus' 2 "Penelope". When Odysseus says "Penelope" he is referring to the 2 sagas where he was closest to seeing her, which I think one was in "Thunder Saga". This represents the 9 sagas (20 years) that both were waiting to see each other again.

[@arkossunset6947]

Yes the olive tree is important, it’s a symbol of wisdom, and more importantly, Athena

[@boomgirlbucko]

Still can't believe it's over

[@Anniebanannie-z7h]

The olive tree does have significance in Greek mythology it was Athenas thing to become patron of Athens and the reason its named that

[@Anniebanannie-z7h]

The one you couldnt figure out was scylla "there is no price we wont pay"

[@SeerOfTime577]

I was a blubbering mess every time I listened to this song for a whole week. Lovely reactions! ❤

[@flanny701]

7 years on calypsos island and it took 20secondz to sing it all 1second for each year

[@Shaphi95]

7:03 might be from Dangerous. "'Cause no mortal can pass Poseidon's storm"?

[@xiny_n]

19:16 THE SINGINGGG AGHHH ‼️‼️🔥🔥💯💯

[@Icy648]

She sang waiting seven times. She was waiting for seven sagas before ody came home

[@hindymarkowitz1340]

I'm here and I'm first! Thank you for your incredible reactions to Epic. I found your channel through these reactions and it's very fun and engaging! Good luck with everything you do next! Have you finished Hadestown yet by the way?

[@shadowroamer]

Best I can guess? Seven waitings, one for each saga that Odysseus was kept away from Ithaca's shores. And possibly for each year he was kept captive by Calypso.

[@HeidiBassett-e4n]

i think if you count the "ohhhhhh" at the end of the "waiting" it counts to 8 as thats how many sagas penelope had to wait for ody to come back.

[@hotshot104]

Seven times Penelope said waiting Seven sagas of Odysseus trying to get home

[@SuperSonicBlur]

notice how Penelope never ONCE calls him Odysseus. its always "my husband" becuase thats all that ever mattered to her. She broke all his notions of who or what he is, all his grief, all his guilt, all his pain, in just 12 words: "Only my husband knew that, so I guess that makes him you!". Even when she sings the motif that proceeds Odysseus on "for" it ends with "you" becuase thats all that matters to her. The pain of hearing him say he is not the same person after everything shes waited for builds to that moment of anger and then ever other emotion thats been built over 20 years of waiting.

[@aranthur]

MORE BOOK RECS: Check out author C L Clark! She has a book coming out next month that is an official Arcane tie-in, going into the backstories of Ambessa and Mel AND she has her own fantasy series called "Magic of the Lost," which has some very complex political stuff and sketchy magicky things going on, as well as a very complicated romance between a princess and a lady soldier that yes, does happen to have some CaitVi vibes

[@alyssia-faye2086]

I know you've been waiting for love IVE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU

[@dunningkrugerfxs5848]

I could be wrong, but to me the just a man motiff at the end is him setting aside the monster. He made it home, and found peace in his family's arms. And also, he did in fact trade the world to see his son and wife, as promised.

[@Animefan24]

So in the orginal myth Athena disguises Odysseus as an old man for him to go into the palace. No one recognizes him as Odysseus at first. His son Telemachus is the first to recognize him. The two of them come up with a plan to kill the suitors. Penelope doesn’t recognize him as Odysseus at first which is why she tested him.

[@haydenrove847]

the motif you couldn’t figure out made me think of no longer you’s backing track

[@jaearnell]

Damn. If she'd sang waiting 8 times, that would have been amazing. Waiting 8 sagas to see him again in the 9th. 😆

[@RandomPerson-qv1lh]

Penelope was waiting for seven saga, Ithica saga is the seventh. so she has been waiting since Troy saga.

[@dunningkrugerfxs5848]

The Olive tree is one of Athena's holy symbols, more specific it is her gift to the Greeks that won her control over Athens, so named for her.

[@DecidueyeGG]

Perhaps 7 waitings for the 7 sagas between the Troy Saga and Odysseus returning to Ithaca?

[@beckenfuggle644]

Did you do a reaction to “I can’t help but wonder” where he reunited with Telemachus?

[@DiegoRicardoCardenasCullash]

the waiting thing is for the oficial animatic in the stream

[@jaynayoung108]

You should React to (Olive Tree. ) It's the cut song from epic that was going to be the last song in the musical but wasn't big enough to end it.

[@jaynayoung108]

The challenge Is my favourite song In epic to!

[@felpsp1493]

8:34 Suffering Melody "I will take the suffering from you"

[@buggymah]

PLS PLS PLS Bring your teammates back for more EPIC reactions if you can. That would be amazing omg

[@buggymah]

Also an Arcane obsession is SOOOOOO REAL

[@PigOfGreed]

17:26 I have nothing to say She says 17 minutes in to a 25 minute video

[@buggymah]

7:51 I think it’s the Scylla motiff

[@Michaellearnsart]

Perhaps you could react to six the musical or maybe twisted, but im not sure

[@redoctober1524]

Now you got to do the live stream 🎉!!!!

[@franjmorion]

The Laestrygonians say Poseidon SEVEN times before Ody says Poseidon...

[@Nirylia_04]

I think the seven waitings are one for each of the last sagas

[@feldfos]

She waited for 7 sagas

[@nokodelaserre9334]

Definitely reccommend the livestream from Ithica, the most recent full entirety of Epic the Musical on Jorge's channel. (Starting from Troy saga) The cast and crew are so silly and goofy throughout the whole thing and also the animatics for ithica... I'm not saying that you're gonna be a violent sobbing mess... but I'm not NOT saying you're gonna be a violent sobbing mess.

[@jform2]

Its the windbag theme

[@ainhoamastwijk4924]

Off topic but you kinda look like how I imaged Penelope to look like

[@xiny_n]

18:42 YESS 😿😿

[@everythingisvision]

What do you say at the start of your videos? I just hear “[something] guys”

[@radicaledward84]

Judging from the flag, I assume it's something in Maori language.

[@nudgificator]

'Kia ora', a Maori language greeting.

[@duolingoowl920]

She never does say Odysseus. Kinda makes me sad, I’d have liked that

[@haydencohn2746]

I have been yelling at my phone, stop interrupting every line!!!

[@aranthur]

Thank you for giving Caitlyn the respect she deserves for falling down a bad path but even at her worst keeping more of her morals intact than basically any other leader in Arcane, and on top of that figuring out the mistakes she did make and turning around to fix them in like 6 weeks, compared to Silco's 7 Shimmer-soaked years in power or Heimerdinger's botched 200 lol

[@1mtry1ng_myb3zt]

holy shit you’re picking up on a lot of stuff that some professional musical analysts miss on their first listens