Bard VTuber reacts to Epic the Musical's Ithaca Saga!

[@sunoshecano3837]

Yes I am aware that the last song referenced "I'm Just a Man" and not "No Longer You" I am also aware that Athena was with Telemachus! This is what happens when you listen to something late at night and don't have lyrics in front of you! 😂

[@nochez2460]

I love how the wedding bed test is adapted from the original story. Sure it still works as a test for odysseus to see if it's really him, but I think it's more importantly used as a rebuttal of odysseus' claim, that he's no longer the husband she knew and loved. Him feeling hurt and betrayed by her request prove it, only her husband, who carved that wedding bed out of pure love would react that way. Deep down he is still the same person that left for war all those years ago, and although he may deny it, he is just a man. I also just think her entire response verse is perfect, even correcting him for when he sang 'I know you've been waiting for love' with 'I've been waiting for YOU'.

[@sunoshecano3837]

It's a perfect way to give homage to Homer's work again. I really want to reread the Odyssey now

[@falcoskywolf]

@@nochez2460 Yes, that's how I saw it too! Not just as a secret quiz to determine his identity, but as a way to prove to him that if there's even one scrap of who he used to be in there, it's the piece of him who loves his wife and son- the only piece she truly cares about. She's no stranger to warriors- she's SPARTAN. She might see it as sad that he had to stoop so low, but part of that sadness is on his own behalf! She knows how much it hurts him that he cannot escape the past. He may not be the SAME Odysseus but he is still Odysseus. In fact, the pain at having to become such a beast to get home is part of WHY he's so enraged during his slaughter. He's afraid of himself! He's probably even afraid he'll hurt his family. But their faith in him will help him at least regain some balance. And he immediately became Family Odysseus again when Telemachus was facing him. Even the fact that his anger at Penelope's request to move the bed wasn't overboard. He might have been worried that he'd lose his temper at her, but all he did was call her out for the request. He might have rage within him but it doesn't rule his every action.

[@mielliot13]

yeah, there were tons of ways for someone to know the bed was rooted or how it was made, but his emotional response was great proof.

[@_marou_]

As well as the IM JUST A MAN motif in penelophe's own way! It's amazing!

[@matheusedele7551]

The little differences in Penelope's "The king's old bow" and the suitors "The old king's bow" is ABSOLUTE INSANE

[@morhido]

Not only that, she actually says " _my husband's_ old bow, implying where her true loyalties lie

[@arcticlimbo]

​​@@morhidoand the suitors changing it to "old kings bow" shows how tunnel visioned they were

[@Mecha_Neko]

"I dont want to hurt you, but trust me, I've come prepared" Prefers open arms, but will be ruthless if need be. THATS MY LITTLE WOLF 👏👏👏

[@WittySomething]

I find that part particularly funny since in the official animatic for that bit, he straight up removes the dude saying to kill Ody from the census list lol. You'd think that would lead some credence to his claim of saying "trust me I've come prepared", but it's funny he says he doesn't want to hurt anyone after murking a guy.

[@darkmega24ify]

​@@WittySomethingIt does prove his point though. He will only hurt if it's absolutely necessary

[@Rukdug]

@@WittySomething Even funnier is the fact that Amphinomus, the suitor Telemachus kills, is according to the Odyssey the ONLY suitor who argues against assassinating Telemachus and is generally trying to be an okay person by the standards of their society while still being one of the suitors. He's actually the only suitor that Odysseus tries to spare before his rampage while Odysseus is still disguised as a beggar. Of course, in the original Odyssey, Telemachus killing him is more karmic irony because Amphinomus didn't do nearly enough to keep his fellow suitors in line, especially since he would have a lot of influence over the group because a small majority (including him, 55 of the 108 suitors) of the suitors are from his father's kingdom and are technically supposed to listen to him. He's unwilling to use his actual authority to try and put a stop to the suitors's excesses, and as a result he shares their fate.

[@ToGgAlt]

Fun fact about the suitors: they don't have just one main instrument. They have a cello (like Polyphemus, because they are monstrous) lead string ensemble (like Penelope, as they her as their queen), trumpets (like Poseidon, because theyre antagonistic towards Telemachus just as Poseidon was to Odysseus), and a grungy electric guitar (like cunning Odysseus because they want to replace him as king). And Antinous, the main suitor, uses the other suitors as backup vocals (similar to how Eurylochus had the crew as backup). They serve as a dark reflection of many other characters from the epic

[@sunoshecano3837]

Holy cow. That's a heck of a mix. Thank you!

[@ToGgAlt]

@@sunoshecano3837 No problem, Some other fun facts: During the end of Would You Fall in Love with Me Again, the 'Just a Man' section is played in triplets, like Poseidon (symbolizing ruthlessness). | In Odysseus (The Song), Odysseus (the character) was smart enough to lock the weapons room, but when Telemachus came back and armed himself, he didn’t relock the door. | The suitors' constant 'Where is he?' was actually pulled from a cut song called Man of the House. | The chanting heard throughout Odysseus (The Song) is a direct callback to the Polyphemus fight, where there were chants of 'Po-le-fe-mus.' This time, it’s 'O-de-say-us,' and at the end of the song, the two 'Odysseus' lines are sung the same way they were in No Longer You. | Finally, in Hold Them Down, the reprised strings from The Challenge are slightly off because 'none of us can string this.' When Antinous is talking about Penelope, you can hear the viola (Penelope’s main instrument) in the background, almost like a scream, but it gets overpowered by the cello (reflecting how the suitors plan to overpower Penelope, with their instruments literally overpowering hers). | When any of the suitors sing 'Penelope,' they sing it like the sirens did-in other words, they sing it wrong. I’m sure there’s more that I missed. Jesus that’s a lot of words

[@sunoshecano3837]

@ This is exactly why I wanted to do a deeper dive into these songs. There's so much!!!!

[@Al_-cf1dj]

I appreciate the insight but please, for the love of god, could you not capitalise every single word it makes reading so much more exhausting because my brain thinks capital letter = new sentence and it uses up more energy. Again, genuinely appreciate the knowledge and I'm not trying to be rude I just genuinely want to read your comment without getting a headache.

[@ToGgAlt]

@Al_-cf1dj There Ya Go

[@Terrivian_Vess]

The "athena theme" in "Odysseus" Is right before Telemachus shows up, because its for him, not ody

[@Sacheelm]

Fun fact The "waiting" motif has existed since "Full Speed Ahead"

[@falcoskywolf]

@@Sacheelm Yes! And it took me until YESTERDAY to realize that!

[@KingsBard]

Yeah, and Penelope singing it has been planned since the first demos

[@MicaAnneArts]

OMG you’re right!! I was today years old xD

[@bpsara]

YESSSSS

[@ryannorthrop158]

​@KingsBard in the odyssey the waiting message he gets in the underworld is a message from Penelope passed through his mother. How he took that amd used it is amazing.

[@klaudiabonn]

when Ody sings 'left a trail of red on every island' we hear ruthlessness, 'traded friends like objects I could use.' we hear thunder bringer, 'hurt more lives than I can count on my hands.' we hear scylla

[@BIGGIECHEEZ64]

I think on the last one we hear I’m not sorry for loving you, showing how he feels bad for how he made colipso feel but I’m not sure

[@klaudiabonn]

@@BIGGIECHEEZ64 yeah I heard some people say that too. I thought maybe scylla because of the line but yeah def could be calypso

[@Pr0pheceye]

I don’t know if anyone else has mentioned this, but just before the arrow strikes in “Hold Them Down”, you can literally hear the bow release and the arrow fly. So freakin coool.

[@madam-mint]

Oooh I gotta listen for that

[@bpsara]

5:25 After relistening to the entire musical, I couldn’t believe I hadn’t realized “waiting” was planted all the way back in Full Speed Ahead. The VERY FIRST saga! “And Ithaca’s WAITING, my kingdom is WAITING, Penelope’s WAITING for meeeeee.” Even now it keeps throwing punches ❤

[@seanchesteralexisexamen5964]

According to Gwendy the animator for "Odysseus" in the live, Odysseus was tamed down, the first drafts of the song was so much darker and brutal. Now, I can't help but think about it. Hope Jorge releases the cut songs and the original drafts of the last 3 songs cuz I remember him saying he have to rewrite the last songs so many times.

[@dragonstouch1042]

This was the toned down version!? That just makes me more curious

[@falcoskywolf]

The melody that plays after Penelope declares he passed her secret test is actually "Just A Man." I like to take it as though he can FINALLY be, if nothing else, a MIX of man and monster instead of losing all traces of his Humanity. Back with his family, he can at least *start* to heal. He will never recover, but he might reclaim his dignity and for the things he cannot handle without violence, he might step aside and let Telemachus and Penelope handle it: let them be the grace and mercy he cannot be, while he is the muscle and the monster to back them up. One thing that's made more evident in the watch party animatics: Athena was backing up TELEMACHUS, and it even calls him the Warrior of the Mind. The scene in "I Can't Help But Wonder" is the first real interaction she has with Ody since their split. In the original Odyssey, the diplomatic mission Telemachus went on was at Athena's advice- if I recall correctly he was seeking guidance for how to clean house of the toxic suitors.

[@sunoshecano3837]

I plan on watching the official animatics at some point so I'm sure there will be another video of that. I've heard they help things a lot!

[@evanvazquez2278]

Sorry to be that person, but in the original oddysey the "diplomatic journey" was Telemachus going to see some of Odysseus's old war buddies from the Trojan war that had made it back home. He went in search to see if anyone had any news of his father being alive as all the suitors had been continuously telling him he's dead. And yes, he did go not only with Athena's advice, but with her on the boat disguised as someone named "Mentor", an "old friend" of Odysseus.

[@Elfygaming]

This isn’t something I noticed, it was a comment somewhere, maybe on tiktok. But Penelope sings “waiting” 8 times which takes 20 seconds which is how many sagas and years Ody has been gone and that is just another amazing and sad detail from Jorge

[@darkmega24ify]

OMG JORGE WHEN I GET MY HANDS ON YOU I SWEAR TO GOD

[@Elfygaming]

@ Does it make it better or worse that Ody’s mom in the Underworld sang “waiting” 10 times for the ten years he was gone before she died?

[@fenrirswolh3]

After a bit of digging, i found Penelope is a Spartan... so i imagine she'd actually find his exploits and battles more than alright.

[@kiratheusagiisworkshop5266]

For real! He did it to get back home too.

[@ZeruelZen]

Oh no thats why she said "let the arrow flies through twelve axes" My good sir SHE CAN DUAL WIELD AXES She will "cut you down into tiny pieces , drop you down through the True below , cut you down 1 by one while you scream for forgiveness"

[@devinwhite5064]

@@ZeruelZen apparently in the original story she was sitting behind the twelve axes. She was fully prepared to die to buy time. She was no fragile flower.

[@dragonstouch1042]

@@devinwhite5064the challenge is also impossible to anyone who isn’t Odysseus. The bow is not only ridiculously strong, it’s theorized to be a recurve bow, meaning you need to know a different technique to string, and given its rarity at the time, the only person who’d reasonably know the trick is Odysseus

[@icemagiciangh]

Everything in ‘Odysseus’ is a throwback to the adversaries Odysseus has faced- his name being chanted in the same way Polyphemus’ was, the suitors locked in the palace like his men with Circe, the ruthlessness from Poseidon, (edit) and Scylla with the torches (Guys, I can’t believe I forgot that). Not to mention the direct Poseidon callback with the “No” after Odysseus asked him for mercy in Get in the Water. And, Penelope, that icon. Odysseus walked in, terrified for her to see what he had become. When the monster rose with his rage at her asking him to break the bed, she didn’t push him away. Instead, she met him on that level. Reassurance that she accepts him before she even says it. Our clever, strong, and loving badass queen Penelope 🩵 The moment where everything crescendoed played ‘Just a Man’. I won’t spoil anything for the premier animatics, especially ones for the finale, but omL. The canon visuals will kill you 😭. Bittersweet and insane.

[@palokyu9891]

How did you not mention the Scylla callback 😭

[@readytaptaptapOKAYY]

And Scylla, when he was aiming for the torches

[@darkmega24ify]

Fr, I was a sobbing mess

[@nia_from_heaven]

Also "He's still a threat until he's dead" from Athena

[@Smootiful]

While everyone is absolutely SLAYING their singing, am I the only one that is enchanted with the voice of the suitor Eurymachus as he pleads with "old king" Odysseus? I mean, yeah, he's a bastard, but that voice!

[@d.c-4075]

YEAH. Literally one of my favorite parts!

[@gemsngold]

all the suitors have really good voices lol

[@Grace-53]

That little segment has been looping in my head since release

[@Rukdug]

It's honestly fitting for Eurymachus to have an amazing voice, since his whole thing in the original Odyssey is that of the two ringleaders of the suitors (Antinous and Eurymachus), Eurymachus is concerned with making himself appear as a nice guy and generally being a silver tongued snake who lies about his intentions. And he does immediately try to make the slain Antinous the scapegoat when in reality he is equally responsible for a failed ambush on Telemachus. Makes sense he would sound nice, it's easier to hide behind honeyed words with a beautiful voice.

[@Smootiful]

@@Rukdug Excellently put!

[@bridgergriffiths4364]

God that last part where Penelope's basically yelling at him to stop breaking her heart by saying hes not her husband because she will always love him hurts my soul.

[@hayley01x]

did anyone else notice that when penelope says “for you~” at the end, i’m pretty sure it’s the different beast motif or one of the ones we’ve heard before, AND JUST A MAN PLAYING AFTER THAT AHHH

[@senseisunny8083]

I am so glad someone has mentioned this because this motif specifically (It plays at the end of “Remember Them” (Edit: I said “Survive” at first like an idiot) when Ody gives Polyphemus his IP address, and at the end of Different Beast) lives in my head RENT FREE. Jorge what does it represent!?!?!?

[@nikolasIMO5000]

Maybe for "remember me"?

[@hayley01x]

@@senseisunny8083 yeahh i’m not sure what it represents, but i know most people just call it the different beast motif because it’s repeated the most in that song

[@senseisunny8083]

@@nikolasIMO5000 Yes, it plays right as Ody says “Remember me” in “Remember Them” (Edit: I said “Survive” here too because I mixed up songs). I used to take it as either a “crew” theme or like “Ody triumphs over the supernatural” motif but that didn’t pan out in later sagas. So maybe it’s connected to Odysseus as he is now as opposed to open arms Ody? I don’t know. I haven’t been able to settle on something that’s sufficiently convincing

[@nikolasIMO5000]

@@senseisunny8083 the only thing i can connect them is something like... she still remembers/loves him, something like thar

[@michaeltaron3736]

In Odysseus, the choir is chanting "Odysseus" as "O-dy-sse-us" because he is the boss fight now

[@MalachiaVT]

My head canon is that the first one is Polyphemus for a clearer narrative link, even if I know it’s just Odysseus

[@CommissarMitch]

A few things I love about this saga: 0.5: Vibes. Immacilate. 1: Penelopy vs the Suitors in what they call the bow. 2: In Hold Them Down you hear the singer (Forgot his name) have very different tones in the 2 actions he is describing. Clearly he has wanted the second one a lot more than the first, and it is his realization he will get it. 3: Since we know Odysseus's instrument is a Guitar we can notice its tempo really well here. My favorite example is in the last song where you can hear him get angry and *instantly* calm down the moment Penelopy explains herself. 4: In Odysseus we hear, similar to Polythemus and Ruthlessness, the "Boss" of the song being sung by the choire. Only now Odysseus is the Boss. Not even Carybdis got such a treat and their song is just named after them.

[@KingsBard]

Idk why, but Ody listing his transgressions to Penelope had me bawling harder than any other part. Full on shaky breath and quivering lip.

[@KingsBard]

Oh, apparently editing a comment removes the pin, oops

[@AverageIzutsumiQibliEnjoyer]

Want to know something interesting? When he is listing his wrongdoings you can hear Ruthlessness and Thunderbringer in the background.

[@slugintub1541]

On a side note, I can’t believe it took me this long to realise the music on your cloak is Megalovania…

[@sunoshecano3837]

Ha. One of the few who notice some of my musical references!!!

[@MalachiaVT]

I believe you’re the first of the KZbin commenters to notice! That deserves a special prize or something somehow

[@_marou_]

Hi Suho! I recommend watching the audition process that happened for Antinuous, because the voice originally auditioned for Tiresias, but Jay also suggested the character which HE KILLED! His voice is amazing! Also, the fast piano rift you heard when Telemachus arrives is because that's what the Suitors hear when Telemachus uses Athena's quick thought! When in perspective of Athena, Odysseus, or Telemachus, we hear the slower version because we're seeing things from their eyes, but this time, we see through the suitors' eyes and that's why we only hear the fast version

[@d.r429]

I can't be the only abandoned child who is just bawling the moment he screams: "My son, I'm finally home!"

[@lia6781]

The chanting in the back of Odysseus is actually his name Ody-sseus. No longer you had the same chanting and maybe other songs but No longer you is the only one I know off the top of my head lol

[@Noname2421.]

Polyphemus had his named chanted in Survive

[@eriperita]

They recover the motif from the fight with the Cyclops! At the start of Survive there's someone (i can't remember lol) chanting "Polyphemus" and it sounds the exact same :D Probably to show that it's the same situation all overb again but he has now fully embraced the monster and is now the Cyclops for the suitors. There's also the same cello in the back. It's an incredible detail if you want to check it out 🫶

[@lia6781]

@@Noname2421. Yes, I remember that. I was referring to the specific instances of Odysseus’s name being chanted not names being chanted in general

[@scraftyme]

Polyphemus name was chanted in the same tone in survive. While Odysseus’ name was chanted in no longer you it was in a different tone

[@Noname2421.]

@ oh yeah then No longer you and maybe Different beasts if you want too count the crew shouting Odysseus at the end

[@licilicky]

The Just A Man theme playing in the end is so beautiful 😭. It's practically saying that despite everything that's happened and every "monstrous" thing he's done, he's still just a man who wanted to go home. His roots, just like the wedding bed, can't truly be cut away as long as his wife and son are there

[@darkmega24ify]

When Ody said "I... Have had... Enough..." he says the last word with the same cadence Polyphemus did WAAAAY back in Survive

[@themessiah..]

Telemechus was trained by athena so his theme is accented by parts of athenas

[@Beeker10]

The Athena theme in Odyseus was Telemachus showing up because hes her new warrior of the mind so he constantly has her power. He fought the suitors and when Telemachus was on the ropes Ody saved him and then just murdered them all.

[@papaspice4932]

The best way to end a love story is with “I love you”

[@ellapowell1316]

I had a moment to realize that 12 pm is in fact noon, not midnight, and I won't have to wait all day for this lol

[@peachberry9774]

I love the waiting theme. Because that's originally his mother, and it's such a pure, dedicated love and yearning for someone irreplaceable. It's just beautiful to have this theme for both his mother and his wife

[@RockwellSocratese]

Hold Them Down, Is such a cool song its an amazing villain song that hits hard and Fires up the soul. Regardless of the context.

[@dragonstouch1042]

What I find funny (NOT JUSTIFICATION IN THE SLIGHTEST) is that Antinous completely right in saying they’re being played. The Challenge is impossible to anyone who isn’t Odysseus just by the nature of the bow

[@RockwellSocratese]

@dragonstouch1042 Turns out the Bow is a Special Bow gifted to Odysseus from a Foreign Land. Something like a 500 pound draw weight that requires a special technique to use.

[@dragonstouch1042]

@@RockwellSocratese it’s theorized to be a recurve bow

[@RockwellSocratese]

@@dragonstouch1042 Also fun fact about Antinous and the other suitors, Some were Wolfs that served with Odysseus ones who's Loyalty was Shotty at best. But there were many Soldiers still on Ithaca Loyal to the crown. But the Suitors brought their own soldiers. More than 100 of them as their personal guard from their own home lands. The Loyal Guards were holding the servants and warriors of the Suitors back at the gates until their masters were killed during the massacre.

[@Scar-Predator]

Fun Fact!: The number of times Ody fires his bow at the end is the same number of times Polyphemus strikes his club in Survive, 15, and the chanting in the background ends with the same length as the "PO-LY-PHE-MUS" chant in the opening of Survive, signifying musically, Odysseus truly has become the monster.

[@ModdedMaster]

The Full Listen Party Stream did come out the day after this release so its still up for when ever you deiced to go back and watch it.

[@anonymus6678]

" see your palace cowerd in red, faces of men who had long belived your dead "

[@slickrickg1012]

Seeing the animations made all these things hit so much harder. If you haven't cried during the audio just imagining the intensity while watching what happens made me bawl T^T even the reunion of his son made me cry a bit. Shout out to all animators!

[@WittySomething]

I listened to the songs the night they dropped, and I Can't Help But Wonder and Would You Fall in Love With Me Again both made me sob. And then when I watched the premier party the next day, those animatics wrecked me all over again. I've listened to all the songs numerous times and those two songs STILL make me cry.

[@slickrickg1012]

I've listened to this musical so many times that I've memorized each song and remember so vividly each animation they used. I cried for hours but it was all worth it! This musical was done so well and I saw it when they livestreamed it as well! I was in chat and I was crying while watching them as well as watching the beautiful Christmas lights around the car XD as we drive through and some of the songs fit so we'll with the music that I couldn't keep it together. To this day I've listened to these songs and I still cry every single time cause it's such a beautiful way to end this whole thing!

[@artemisfowl7332]

Love Penelope giving the suitors an impossible challenge like that because she knows they would spend hours trying too string ody's bow but knew they would fail cause not only is it a different type of bow then they are used to meaning it has a different stringing method but it also just has a ridiculous amount of draw strength since Odysseus is quite literally built different

[@danielgold9487]

So in most of the "chanting" moments in the Epic its usually the "boss" fight's name. in Odysseus they are chanting his name, O - Dy - Sse - Us, the last part just has a oose sound. Other examples as u mentioned Polyphemus but also at the start of Ruthlessness chanting Poseidon.

[@301BlueBee]

Ooooo!! Cant waittt!!! I love Ithaca Saga sooo muchhhh!

[@Bolt_Chaser]

They turn their backs for 10 seconds and Ody strings the bow and shoots the leader

[@kiratheusagiisworkshop5266]

They learned the hard way to not turn your back on an archer 😆

[@SarenDracul]

The lyrics are Chanting Odysseus btw O Dy Sse Us. ALSO The Athena Motif plays cause in the animatic its shows after the one suitor in the door is stabbed Brave Prince of Ithaca The Little Wolf The Warrior of the Mind Telemachus

[@hanihani2472]

There's different songs motifs in the last song when ody retell what he went through to Penelope, Starts with Ruthless in horns, then thunder bringer on violin , then Scylla with the piano Its such a nice detaillll❤

[@Arixandrine]

The motif in the last song is "Just a man", not remember them I'm pretty sure

[@RensStoryteller]

That choir is singing "Odysseus" in the same way Polyphemus's choir sand his name. It's PERFECT!!!

[@MalComedianteXD]

Here's a few things i found but take them with a grain of salt because i could be seeing things were they aren't In 4:50 and 45:12 when Penelope sings the Waiting motif, it's longer than normal. I believe characters tend to sing "waiting" 4 times tops. This shines a light on the fact that no one in Epic has waited for Ody quite like Penelope did. This is specially true in Would You Fall in Love With Me Again. Also, during The Challenge Waiting motif, the suitors back up Penelope by singing her name as if she was singing to them when in reality the "waiting" is for Ody instead of them. The entirety of Odysseus (the song) plays like a battle. Ody's declaration of having had enough is the beginning of the battle, the "Where is he!?" part is Ody dominating the flow of battle. The suitor calling for Open Arms is an attempt at surrendering which Ody doesn't accept. When the suitors enter the armory and Telemachus appears the song introduces him like a new great ally for Odysseus has entered the battle and that's why his Legendary motif sounds like a heroic fanfare. Then Melanthius, the suitor directly directly talking to Telemachus, rallies the other men because he sees a chance for winning against Ody. The suitors then try to overwhelm Telemachus and as they see that is slowly working they start chanting "Hold Him Down" because now the tide of battle is turning into their favor. Ody then decapitates Melanthius in front of the remaining suitors which causes them to surrender and flee. The end of the song then announces Ody as the victor as he stands in the middle of numerous dead bodies like a monster. While Hold Them Down is a very dark song mainly because what Antinous implies what he and the other suitors will do to Telemachus and specially Penelope, i find it great that he barely even got to announce his ploy and nothing else. It's amazing that Epic didn't shy away of going into such a dark direction this time but to balance it out, Antinous dies as soon as he finishes explaining to the suitors and us, the listeners, what he plans to do to Penelope. If we got another extra song on Antinous performing some minimal advance on Penelope or Telemachus the saga could have turned out to be somewhat off putting to some listeners.

[@dburg5759]

Athena was actually helping Telemachus making him the new warrior of the mind. When the suitors got Telemachus that’s when Odysseus showed up.

[@jesziiduck]

found this video while i was looking for reactions to the ithaca saga and i wanted to say that i really like your design!! the music notes going down the scarf and the little otamatone badge are both really good details lol :]

[@sunoshecano3837]

Thank you so much!!

[@alisond929]

The full watch through of the musical is out now if you want to react to just the Ithaca saga with the visual effects

[@sunoshecano3837]

I plan on doing this fairly soon in another video.

[@ZerrieKnox]

Someone already said it, but Athena wasn’t with Ody she was with the new Warrior of the Mind (Telemachus)

[@teejaykaye]

The fact that the FINAL SONG of the WHOLE SERIES reprises Just A Man - arguably the song that got the hype going in the first place, THE SONG WHERE ALL ODY SINGS ABOUT IS WANTING TO BE HOME WITH PENELOPE AND TELEMACHUS - is just. An absolute stroke of genius. My god. There truly is nothing like epic the musical out there.

[@lassalicatmeow]

i have loved all your epic content so much, i love learning and getting emotional alongside you.

[@DawnioTheWitch]

The chanting sounds like "ODY" "SSEUS"

[@AmericanBrit9834]

A 9/10 end for Epic. Excited to see what Jay does next. Hoping Illiad (possibly Song of Achilles style) or maybe a Titanomachy?

[@acklestudy]

Well, Jorge said he had another musical project in him & that it wasn't the end of the journey at the end of the live stream. Also, he did say earlier on that the new one is possibly going to be based on the illiad.

[@acklestudy]

Also, I like to include my rating as well. I give it a 10/10, I love the Odyssey and musicals. I specifically love history as well. so 10/10!!

[@Uptime-ps2rq]

Jorge actually released a snippet to his highest Spotify listeners. I won’t share it obviously, but it’s someone singing to Aphrodite with the specific words “Can you help me, cast your spell please?” Which sounds a lot like Paris asking Aphrodite to make Helen fall in love with him

[@acklestudy]

@@Uptime-ps2rq I didn't see that and I'm following it on Spotify. Thank you so much, but I also think he is making a musical on the illiad like he said a while ago

[@Uptime-ps2rq]

@@acklestudy Yeah. It was on Spotify Wrapped if you had Jay as your top artist

[@area52ron]

Athena was with Telemachus

[@Noname2421.]

At then end of Odysseus the final things heard are screams the one thing Odysseus has always tried to block out

[@nia_from_heaven]

22:45 "He's still a threat until he's dead! Finish it." - Athena

[@majora748]

Just a man with the full orchestra at the end makes me want to cry every time

[@RyLHatch1989]

The thing with the Challenge is that Odysseus's bow had a unique recurve on it, that only he was strong enough to physically string and wield it properly. So, Penelope essentially issued an impossible task to the suitors to buy more time for Odysseus to return.

[@mild.lemons]

I’m working so hard on an Odysseus animatic, this saga was sooo good, I’m so sad it’s over but so excited to see where it goes

[@MalachiaVT]

OOO I LOVED YOUR SCYLLA ANIMATIC! Definitely gonna have Suno watch the Odysseus one with your permission like last time

[@mild.lemons]

@ Yes of course! I love people reacting to my stuff, I have a partial dangerous animatic out as well which I’m super proud of

[@crow3769]

Something I noticed: At 44:33, I can hear the Waiting motif in the background when he's talking about the wedding bed, which I believe it's from Penelope, who has been waiting for Odysseus and wasn't sure of he was the man she loves, but hearing him remembering and talking about the symbol of their love is like her hope and joy is slowly rising, cuz the man she loves is truly back and she has been waiting for so long before she explains herself and says he's still the man she loves and let it know that she's been waiting for him for so long. Then we go to 45:45, I hear the Just a Man motif in the background, which feels like now that he's back with the love of his life, after she accepts him, after she says he's still the man she love, that's when he's no longer a monster and has transformed back to just a man with his wife. It's so beautiful and such a genius thing that I'm sobbing like a bitch.

[@echo3874]

Hearing the songs from this saga has me excited to see everyone's animatics (again) lol. Hopefully they don't push themselves too hard over the holidays though

[@Candycane-Foxy-YT]

BTW if you listen closely to Hold them down *Its more obvious near the end* you can hear Odysseus singing as a suitor as he is hiding among the crowd listening and waiting for the perfect time to strike.

[@Schinak]

Athena was obviously backing up Telemachus during Odysseus

[@tanglycoconut1]

The ending motif was from " Just a Man"

[@Anaklusmos0726]

hope you react to the livestream animatics soon! Theyre amazing esp the one for Odysseus.

[@TheRichmaster24]

I really like your analysis

[@pegasus7833]

The course (what choir is singing) is ODYSSEUS

[@dominiklehn2866]

The chanting was " Odysseus"

[@RestExalted]

i really hope youll be able to watch the stream/premiere from Jorge to see the animatics, im excited to see your reactions about it, not to say i dont love this reaction, loved it immensly, but the animatic goes to an 110 this one..

[@sunoshecano3837]

The plan is to watch the livestream as soon as I can! There will be a video about it!

[@Frosty_Draws193]

It's less that penelope can't wait anymore and more that the suitors are getting too impatient, and stringing ody's bow is the challenge because it's basically an impossible task for anyone besides oddyseus himself for one of a few reasons that i've seen, those being that it's a recurve bow which has a different stringing method than the bows the suitors are used to, it's specially made to be hard to string if not impossible to string unless you know a specific trick to do it, or it was a gift and the bow originally belonged to heracles and ody is just built different.

[@thatlemur6065]

Not going to lie was not expecting to here Doom music in Epic but I am glad I did.

[@Sellers6621]

The ending isn't remember them, it's just a man, as Penelope has reminded Ody that he's still a man, her man.

[@rosebudsintherapy1454]

If you listen closely you can hear Odysseus among the suitors in hold em down.

[@justsomeguy1120]

You noting the Polyphemus similarities is apt. Ody is exactly being the kind of monsters he encountered throughout his journey. Polyphemus was the first, so you hear it most in the instrumentals. The choir chanting "Ody-sseus" because it's his boss fight, plus you can hear the cello throughout it that was playing in Polyphemus. You already pointed out the Get in the Water reference with Ody's "no" which is paired with a Ruthelessness reference in the guy begging to be spared. He hunts like Scylla, aiming for the torches. One thing not many others have been pointing out is Ody's "mercy" rant being a parallel to Zeus' wrath in God Games. "No one beats me, NO ONE beats my game." "All of you who have done me wrong, THIS will be your fate."

[@Kadmos_of_Tyr]

Just a man, it's the just a man motif, and when I heard it, I fucking sobbed

[@malenejensen02]

When will we see the livestream reaction? Okay so I may just have watched 1 min. of this video, so if you tell us at the end, I'm sorry, but hey no, you just said that it just released 10 min. ago and you know the stream got cancelled which means, you don't know that there was one later. (at the time of recording this)

[@sunoshecano3837]

Sometime early January.

[@pboomerang]

Why dont you watch the offical live stream version?

[@sunoshecano3837]

That's the plan! Holidays have made it hard to record though so I'm having to recover from that first

[@NathanBoe-c5u]

It's just the same odysseus's name just like from survive where they were saying the Cyclops name.

[@malenejensen02]

"Bringing that motif back from the underworld" Oh how it hurts for you to say that... It's the other way around. Bringing the "waiting" to the underworld and use it for the mom, was mean! When we first heard it in Challenge... Yes I know the underworld is before the challenge, but we (the fans from the beginning) heard it in the challenge first... The same with everything... I also heard another youtuber say "He brought back the "Where is he" from legendary" 😭😭😭 No he didn't....! 😭 He brought back the "where is he" TO "Legendary" FROM "Man of the house" He found a way to keep it in! Even though he desided to cut the song. It's okay... I get it... I'll have to learn and except (sob)😢 that not everyone has been there from the beginning, and that it will only get worse cause Epic will most likely get new fans in the furture... Which is a good thing! For them... I just... Wish it was possible to share the understanding of what the people who has been here since the beginning has experienced... I guess I'll just have to tressure my experience 🥰

[@sunoshecano3837]

I totally understand that perspective! Musicals and Musical Concepts are never written in order of when they are released! Even the greatest classical musicians wrote their symphonies out of order! When saying what I did, it was from a narrative perspective more than anything based on the song orders of the albums. Best example is the Gustav Holst's The Planets. Mercury was written first but the order most people recognize it start with Mars. It's just how multi movement works go normally!

[@MalachiaVT]

You realize how pretentious and gatekeep-y you sound with this? "Real" fans aren't just those who have been there from the release of the first saga, and saying that really makes you a bad fan in the eyes of many. Please take a step back and stop being so uptight about how long someone has been in the fandom.

[@malenejensen02]

I NEVER said real fans. I made sure not to say that. Cause any fan is as real as the next one. But I agree, I still sound pretentious. I'm aware.

[@MalachiaVT]

@@malenejensen02 So long as you understand you sound pretentious and gatekeep-y, that's all I ask of you, nothing more and nothing less. HOWEVER, while you didn't explicitly say "real fans" you did multiple times say "Fans from the beginning" and that it's "only going to get worse" when the intended order was never the order they were written and the snippets were released in.

[@mirross4890]

Please please do a reaction to the live stream animatics

[@cameronlannen4451]

The chorus in the background during Odysseus aren’t saying Polyphemus, they’re chanting Odysseus because at this moment he’s the boss, he’s the monster here

[@Crabhandsmcgee]

It was Just a Man at the end, not Remember Them.

[@yannaneshay9343]

That I'm just a man sound at the end 😊😢

[@SweetTree88YT]

If you’d like to go on another music journey I’d recommend a Christian rapper, NF. His Real Music begins with Intro in his Mansion Album and it is the order of release. It is about his mental journey through very real things so I hope you read this recommendation.

[@Croakersilent]

It’s not “remember them” at the end. It’s “just a man” 😂

[@morsfero]

It's not remember them. It's definitely Just a man at the end.

[@Exzeticloe]

Lechonk spotted

[@exotixarceus3900]

655th like

[@flutteringmist9751]

do we know why he pronounces it Telechamus? I'm... it's painful to listen to

[@sunoshecano3837]

Because I'm bad at greek names, that's about as good a reason as it gets

[@flutteringmist9751]

@sunoshecano3837 you know what, that's fair enough. I hardly if ever call Antinous by his name instead of "Main Suitor Guy" so i get it XD

[@AmericanBrit9834]

@@flutteringmist9751 I always accidentally say Antinious

[@flutteringmist9751]

@AmericanBrit9834 ME TOOOOO????? EVERY TIME. or anti-nose.

[@CoffeeAddict3406]

Vtubard.

[@jackythewannabe4530]

I’m so sorry but dude you gotta learn how to pronounce Telemachus

[@sunoshecano3837]

It's a running gag on this channel. I do it on purpose at this point.