Fallout 4 Owes New Vegas

The hype train for Fallout 4 was off the rails. Is it because of the new audience, Bethesda's previous work with Fallout 3? Or was it because Obsidian's Fallout: New Vegas made so many steps in the right direction?
Fallout 4 Owes New Vegas
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[@nickbrowning3270]

I feel like everything I once liked has turned to shit

[@TKsMantis]

That'll happen.

[@El_Descarriado]

@@TKsMantis Yes. Because it has.

[@cameronfindlay5574]

What do you mean? We got a superb Justice League film and totally necessary Star Wars trilogy!

[@villings]

what about beer and pizza

[@HolyknightVader999]

Welcome to the club, pal.

[@VerdeMorte]

Obsidian upstaged Bethesda then Bethesda got drunk and threw them out, only realizing afterward that they were paying two thirds of the rent...

[@The_Faded_Phantom]

Shots fired

[@maximus4765]

Everything would have been fine if they just let obsidian get that pay bonus. One point less than desired on metacritic is enough to let people get laid off? Really?

[@Artemisarrowzz]

@@maximus4765 Nah, we all know that was just a cheap excuse from jealous Zenimax execs.

[@CallofDutyBlackOps28]

@@Artemisarrowzz after i heard that Zenimax got rid of Bethesdas founder, ... Yes, FOUNDER, I started to hate companies more and more that were all about "just so we're clear that my say is Law..." and they eventually not just hurt themselves, but also ruin peoples lives by shooting themselves in the foot, but everyone else in the face.

[@Artemisarrowzz]

@@CallofDutyBlackOps28 That type of assholery is common on old execs who think the success of a videogame doesn't depend on who's behind it but instead on how much money they spent on it and how much they can get back form microtransactions. They just don't get that you need a creative person to make something that isn't just a well polished turd.

[@Sara.Space.H]

Every time I hear; "Oblivion with guns" I think of that one guy who did an interview with one of the Far Cry 3 team who said; "So it's like Skyrim, with guns."

[@TKsMantis]

Ha!

[@Mylifeintechnicolor]

The interviewer that said that was Adam Kovic from Inside Gaming. They even put that quote on the goty box

[@sierraa12]

The one the only the legend Adam Kovic of funhaus

[@Mudboy44]

Sara H. I love to see Adam Kovic living on in legends

[@PeixeKing]

Adam Kovic is now making videos for the Funhaus channel.

[@InfamousAlliance]

Here’s the real fun part: Literally every feature that’s being boasted in Wastelanders is a feature from New Vegas. Bethesda is that desperate that they’re turning 76 into a Pseudo New Vegas

[@frostryder1285]

Company: *tries to improve their game* hardcore FNV fans: okay so basically they trying to make game like other game

[@-BlazeK-]

Every "innovative feature" added to fallout 4 was a copy of the most populaire fallout 3/new vegas mods. Bethesda has been lazy when it comes to creativity for decades.

[@frostryder1285]

@@-BlazeK- You do realize that not every new feature added to a game by the company has to be an original one? changing/customising gun parts existed in others but do people give ghost recon future soldier shit for them added a system like that in it? No. You try making an original and new idea for a game, oh wait you can't since everything has been done already

[@frostryder1285]

@@-BlazeK- Point is that just because a game company uses a feature from a mod or from another game doesn't mean they aren't creative, its pretty nice to not have building a base in not fallout restricted to mods now(at least for fallout 4),

[@-BlazeK-]

@@frostryder1285 For one i didnt say they copied some features from other games. I said every new feature is a copy of a mod that were made for previous fallout games, including base building. In fallout 4 you have basebuilding but it has no impact on the story, it lacks depth because they just copied the mod which had the same exact features. In fallout new vegas you had a reputation system that would punish or help you based on your relation with diffrent factions. Thats an original feature for the 3d fallout series if you want an example. Now give me one thing thats new in fallout 4 that wasnt a mod made years prior.

[@Chad-cq6uy]

Todd: "everything just works." Audience: *laughs* Todd: "Wait a fucking minute."

[@jeffreydesormeaux3539]

One you left out- new Vegas only technically had 14 months in development with 4 months in pre production

[@TKsMantis]

My bad, thank you for the correction.

[@jeffreydesormeaux3539]

You can find videos about the development (which involves interviews) on the channel TriangleCity

[@jeffreydesormeaux3539]

@@TKsMantis can you pin this correction? :)

[@user-zm5jh3vp7l]

The Game was rigged from the start

[@kummakummakummakummakummac8606]

@Kyle Vernon - Fallout 4 is more of a shooter than a rpg. In my opinion role playing, in a role playing game, is more important than anything else and Fallout 4 failed in that regards. So the fact that they improved all the things you listed doesn't matter to me because it's lacking in what I feel is the most important.You obviously like the game so I'm not saying this to disagree with you just to give my opinion.

[@abdullahtshabal9522]

"I wanna give a special thanks to one of my biggest supporters, Kim Jong-Un"

[@TKsMantis]

The biggest supporter of all time.

[@gluehuffer6955]

I've heard that people who live in the best korea are only allowed New Vegas. They will never know the horror of bethesda made fallouts. Kim doesn't fuck around.

[@greatersabre3135]

He sounds like he would be a big supporter of fallout as well lol

[@asmodeojung]

@@greatersabre3135 perhaps even a developer.

[@theworldoverheavan560]

Lol

[@riotplanetxo]

I loved how throughout the whole game of new Vegas (and DLC) it was non stop hype about the Legate Lanius , and goddamn they delivered on “Monster of the East”

[@TKsMantis]

Agreed.

[@lonecolamarine]

Not as monstrous as the mother and alpha deathclaws... SHIT why she so damn fast? I had to cheat and get on top of a building then plink away at it with my hunting rifle from such range that I was wondering if my shots were even registering. But it's a hardcore memory, makes me feel like a real adventurer, boasting about how he had to pump at least 70 rounds into a deathclaw to bring it down.

[@monkeman5895]

Nah not really, Lanius was a disappointment in both how you fight him and how you talk him out of fighting. For one, Lanius was stated by Joshua to not be good at logistics and was more intelligent when it came to military affairs. He spent like years finding ways to conquer Hoover Dam and his plan for the 2nd battle was pretty sound. So then why the hell would he care about the Legion stretching out too thin? They should’ve made it so that you needed more than speech to convince him otherwise. Frank Horrigan was much better since he was loyal to the end and was challenging.

[@fungustheturd4004]

Lanius is pretty easy if you have a melee characters, he gets knocked out easily and dies with a few punches from a super sledge. But try doing the same with a Deathclaw, you cripple one arm and end up with 1/3 of your HP if you have companions to tank for you

[@jaytes3007]

Wade Watts if you went through the full speech check that whole scene was top tier you crazy

[@Smellie069]

Fallout 4 was my introduction to Fallout, and while it was pretty good, Fallout New Vegas is so much better with all of its stories and settings and characters

[@skysight1553]

It was fallout 3 for starter but new Vegas is still one of the vest games i have played

[@anonymone453]

I like them both for different reasons. I like Fallout 4's shooting and weapon mods system but I like New Vegas as an actual rpg

[@blankblankpog]

Fallout 1-2 and NV : Actual journey in deadly environment Fallout 4 : An amusement park ride

[@megamike15]

fallout 1-2 and nv: care about world building fallout 4: world is stagnant and nothing has changed.

[@glennhooker2762]

@@megamike15 Fallout 4:people living in their houses with skeletons laying around

[@DJWeapon8]

@@glennhooker2762 "I've lived here in this house my whole life." There's dead bodies and trash everywhere in said house. *_iT jUSt wOrKS_*

[@glennhooker2762]

@@DJWeapon8 I still question why Red Rocket wasn't a cool settlement but Todd Howard says, "BUt iTs ThE fuTuRE!!!!"

[@TheHulk1850]

You're forgetting one...

[@worldburnerbreadman7886]

I miss the time when Todd could say it just works and it actually did work Edit: fine then I’ll shut the fuck up and say that their games were shit besides oblivion and new Vegas

[@TKsMantis]

F

[@TheMagicalBIob]

F

[@abyssmal9094]

F

[@clown2424]

F

[@idan7856]

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[@LordProteus]

Fallout 3 was fine, despite some writing hiccups. I can forgive Bethesda for Fallout 3, it was their first attempt and was a noble effort. With Fallout 4 though they should have known better, especially with New Vegas as an example to follow.

[@mikeyb7079]

Fallout NV comes nowhere near FO4 and especially not FO3

[@Tn-sc4nv]

Agreed the only problem with fallout 3 is the story Imo

[@billystrife7049]

Sebastian S *vomits in mouth*

[@gardevoir7137]

@@billystrife7049 it's a matter of opinion.. I prefer fallout 3 over new Vegas and 4 quite easily

[@tsarnicholasii274]

Writing hiccups is a funny thing to call almost the entire game being poorly written. Bethesda made Morrowind so it's not like they get a pass for making Fallout 3.

[@gmae244]

The Wild West theme just works with the fallout game

[@CarbonMatrixify]

It just works

[@TheHulk1850]

It works as a one off, if I want to play a Western game, I go to Red Dead. When I want to play a Fallout game that actually feels like it's set in the post apocalypse, I play any Fallout game besides New Vegas, with 3 being the preferred game for that.

[@gmae244]

Jennifer Walters l played red dead enjoy them and let’s just say I sunk a shit ton of hours is all of fallouts beside fallout tactics

[@clownworldhereticmyron1018]

@@TheHulk1850 your go-to is 3? rofl have you ever even touched the first game?

[@TheHulk1850]

@@clownworldhereticmyron1018 I have, and I hate the isometric style, it's so annoying. I feel completely disconnected from the game and my character from that viewpoint, Fallout 1 and 2 aren't perfect, cry me a river.

[@t10god]

"They're possibly bitter that when given a tight deadline and minimal support, another developer was able to create a better Fallout game." OOoH, THATS GOTTA STING BETHESDA.

[@justin-hurd]

stings like cazador venom. oh, oopsie, Bethesda doesn't know what that is, they didn't make it.

[@TheRockK95]

A Deal is a deal

[@khagan5951]

@@TheRockK95 It was a shitty deal, rigged from the start

[@TheRockK95]

@@khagan5951 maybe if the lead developer didn't bother to make useless unnecessary additions to the game . Maybe it could had time to be polished. If consoles never existed their will be no fallout 3 and new vegas and the series would die with 2. If he kept his mind on point . Then they would had gotten that deal. But what killed the score the most is ps3. That had the same exact problems for fallout 3. Of course they would had knew that if they found out the problems for fallout 3. And fixed it while porting all the assists to new vegas

[@Harold046]

@@TheRockK95 But useless unnecessary additions to the game might precisely be why it's so much better.

[@LTamazil]

I think the first and biggest red flag for me when I played Fallout 4 for the first time, was the fact that for the first time...The great Ron Perlman wasn't doing narration. That's when I knew something was terribly wrong.

[@DawgBreff]

"Well look at that, you're awake"... *"Doc..? Oh thank goodness.. I was having a real bad nightmare.. there was this Vault, number 76... Doc, why you looking at me like that"?* 🤔 "It isn't a nightmare, I'm sorry". 😶 *"Just shoot me.. and make sure it's a proper job this time"...*

[@TKsMantis]

lol

[@MegamanXfan21xx]

The doc then shoot you again. You black out... and wake up in a horse cart in a forest. "Hey, you. You're finally awake."

[@DawgBreff]

@@MegamanXfan21xx 😯

[@TheRoseReaper]

@@MegamanXfan21xx The Courier be like, "Son of a bitch."

[@enthargaming9700]

Do me a favor and shoot me too

[@user-dk6zd2pk4j]

I like to consider Fo4 the opposite of New Vegas, whereas Fo4 had better graphics, gunplay, and world; FoNV had better writing, story, and options.

[@cass1832]

[] Man, imagine the writing, options, and story of NV with the gunplay, graphics, and world of Fo4. THATS SOMETHING ID PAY GOOD MONEY FOR

[@DrFaust-zj7vi]

i honestly think that the engine for new vegas and 3 was better than the one for 4 and 76, it just feels more like fallout if that makes any sence

[@jagar5580]

@@cass1832 thats actually a thing its a fan mod under development

[@BrandonTheFern]

Entrøpic Illusions that’s the fallout 4 new Vegas mod lol

[@zerochaotics1135]

@@DrFaust-zj7vi uhm. All four of those games ARE on the same engine mate.

[@refugio9512]

I'm grateful Fallout 3 made me a fan of the series but New Vegas made sure I stayed permanently and there's no regrets.

[@TKsMantis]

New Vegas is a classic in my eyes.

[@santicheeks1106]

I played new vegas first and had so much fun, then I played fallout 4 and I liked it better than New Vegas, the I played fallout 3 and I hated it, then I replayed New Vegas but with DLC and now I like it better than fallout 4 with dlc

[@santicheeks1106]

But what sucks is that I cant buy old world blues dlc because on the xbox store it says currently not available and its been saying that for months

[@Amauriee]

@@santicheeks1106 that sucks, old world blues has to be my favorite dlc in nv

[@vrcompatible8999]

I remember when I played new Vegas for the first time, I came a bit late into the series but I was 14 and gave my friend some money to surprise me with a game about 7 years ago. I had new Vegas for maybe 3 months until I tried it. And then I fell in love the second I got into the wasteland

[@jakebooth658]

Here’s my conspiracy theory: Bethesda let Obsidian make a Fallout game so that they could prove that they (BGS) make a better Fallout game than the original creators of the entire franchise. So to prove that, they set them up for failure by only giving them a year and half, not even, to make a brand new Fallout game. Obsidian ended up proving that Fallout was better in their hands, disproving Bethesda’s point of “They may have created it, but we perfected it”. Here we are today and the franchise is pretty much dead and there’s no way of resurrecting it with Todd and Emil at the helm of the ship.

[@ozricaurora6943]

Nonsense. Bethesda game studios don't make those decisions. Bethesda softworks do and they are two different things.

[@legendaryvvizard4388]

I doubt Bethesda really wanted to release a bad rushed game intentionally just to make their other games look good by comparison. What's more likely is that they wanted a second Fallout game to come out shortly after Fallout 3 in order to capitalize on the hype around the series at the time, and expected Obsidian able to make a shorter spinoff game with the assets of Fallout 3 within the short time frame, of which they did. Obsidian managed to make their game good because they clearly focused on a well paced story with multiple options that end at the same locations, all while keeping the story brief enough that they could include side content and complete the game in time. Keep in mind that Obsidian didn't really have to make many assets at all other than some NPC models and textures such as the Legion armor and Securitrons

[@BrandonTheFern]

It is in no way dead lmao tf

[@carolinaandy5059]

You know its dead when the carcass is being theown into the tv spinoff meat grinder

[@194_SS]

That's the single most fallout New Vegas circle jerker theory I've heard in my life. No. They were given a year and a half so that Beth could quickly cash in in between development cycles. (F3, skyrim), plus Bethesda brought the 85 bonus and that would drive obsidian even more to do a good job, which they did not in bug testing because of an over ambition with the general scope of the game.

[@XxWillScarletSoundxX]

Damn, Conan actually DOES look like a real life version of the Vault Boy mascot now that I see it...

[@303Thatoneguy]

Yeah if vault boy was 6'4"

[@swanky464]

Obsidian knew exactly what they were doing

[@MAUTxxx]

Swanky Games is the new obsidian game any good?

[@swanky464]

Wiratama it is good, very good. Outer worlds is quite a game and I love it

[@chironthecuddley6144]

@@swanky464 I'm looking forward to the Switch version to come out.

[@RedFloyd469]

@@MAUTxxx IMO: The outer worlds is a good game, but nothing compared to new vegas. Do not expect all too many actual valuable choices you can make as a player, a feeling of progress, or interesting factions. It's a game that does a bunch of things very right, such as combat, a lack of bugs and glitches (I encountered one instance in which my game froze up, but after restarting it was fine and I never encountered a bug or glitch again.), voice acting, atmosphere and lore, etc... However, the game lacks in several departments when comparing it to new vegas. It's story is much more straightforward (not to mention quite short, maybe 60 hours of gameplay total.), it has maybe two genuine factions, both of which are equally retarded, player choice can be boiled down to two or three options every major questline (And I'm being very generous), enemy variety is bare-bones with enemies basically coming down to raiders, guards, troll-like creatures, big lizards and giant mantises. That's it. Weapon variety is also quite dismal, with a few basic weapons and their upgraded counterparts being the only real options. Gameplay loop comes down to either fighting or sneaking. Nothing new here I suppose, but solving things with dialogue is much less prevalent. Enemies re-spawn almost instantly, so a feeling of lasting effects on your surroundings is non-existent (this is an issue that obsidian had with some of the new vegas DLC as well, and It's my one great criticism of those parts of the game). Human enemies are faceless and always wear helmets. The gear they wear is cosmetic only and is non-lootable. The only possible loot is either scripted or random and doesn't actually represent what the enemy was using or wearing. Also, the "semi-open world" feels very linear and empty. All in all, considering that this is a stand-alone game of a company that hasn't developed in a long time, it's a good way to start a new franchise. The developers said themselves that they were mainly focused on giving a good story and new universe. But do not be mistaken: this game is a far cry from the glory that was Fallout New Vegas. And in a way, it's unfair to compare the two. One is an open world explorer rpg, the other is a semi-open world story-driven rpg. So I won't be glorifying The Outer Worlds any time soon, and you should really be careful with Obsidian's newly acquired hype. I'm glad they received a new chance, and I hope they can actually improve their games from here-on out, listening to the fans and actually making a game worthy of New Vegas' legacy. For now though, they've made something good, but not something special. Just my opinion, but it's an honest one.

[@unknownname6519]

Wiratama nit near nv

[@combinecommando001]

I spent 1275 hours in New Vegas and I intent on reaching 2000 one day. I spent more than a month of a goddamn life on that game and I don't regret it for "What in the goddamn?" for a second.

[@TKsMantis]

Great game for sure.

[@regisphilbinsscrotum6631]

Time to pump those numbers up! I had around 2200 hours in on my xbox 360 version years ago.Now I've got a halfway decent pc and I'm getting into it all over again,especially with the cut content and light mods.

[@combinecommando001]

@@regisphilbinsscrotum6631 Fellout is an amazing mod, and I use the JSawyer mod, makes the game harder and includes a few cut content.

[@Dovah22]

Takedrugskillabear i love NV because some of the unique guns are just that unique. Take Maria for instance, a 9mm pistol with the Our Lady of Guadalupe painting on its grips.

[@phildicks4721]

Don't forget the other good one...Joshua Graham's Colt .45 A Light Shining in the Darkness.😉

[@raumograeywolf5477]

New Vegas brought me into Fallout. It remains the icon in my heart. Fallout 4 was just a taste of things to come from Bethesda. How do you ever feel like youre the leader of a faction in Skyrim or Fallout 4? One of my main issues of missed opportunities Bethesda could have gone with.

[@TKsMantis]

RIGHT!?

[@raumograeywolf5477]

@@TKsMantis Corvega assembly plant and Galaxy News Plaza, 2 locations it would make sense for the minutemen to take over after clearing, but nope the big brains at bethesda cant think like that. Or the one fish packing plant where the dude uses ghoul meat. Give us a quest to take that over and ensure quality standards, really bring back some old world civilization to the 'wealth... Nah.

[@StygianIkazuchi]

"How do you ever feel like youre the leader of a faction in Skyrim or Fallout 4?" Mods. The answer is mods. Something older Bethesda games (and New Vegas) are GREAT for.

[@raumograeywolf5477]

@@StygianIkazuchi I loved tooling around in the G.E.C.K. But from a design perspective it shouldnt require mods. Just like we shouldn't need books to explain films like Lost Jidai and Reise of der Soysucker

[@eatsthedarkness8059]

That always bugged me so hard in their games. For example in Skyrim where the Blades treat you like a little shit and command you around, while you are the Dragonborn and THEY are the ones who depend on you. But still they treat you like a peasant. In Fallout 4 you don't really feel like the General of the Minutemen, since Preston always commands you around and sends you to help, instead YOU should be able to send HIM or other minutemen soldiers to the settlements. If Bethesda can't make you a proper leader then they should just leave it out, because it's too frustrating. They could have made it so, that you can command the NPC's to help the settlements, but you would risk a 5050 chance to either fail to help or be successful and it would depend on the moral of the soldiers and if they have enough food, water and equipment. Bethesda missed a lot of opportunities...

[@davidpoder3695]

I loved how fallout nv introduced crafting ammo. Wich would be really common in a post apocalyptic wasteland. Ain’t exactly common to just find ammo in a desk or filing cabinet

[@kyleellis1825]

No. But after feedback from F1/2, they learned a majority of players like having something to loot in every chest. That's why they added Ammo/Caps to every desk and filing cabinet. It was a psychological game decision and it's not like New Vegas took ammo out of those things.

[@FumblsTheSniper]

I like that we all act as if we haven’t watched ten videos like this, held dozens of discussions all about NV, and deep within our hearts don’t hate the bastards that did this to our boy.

[@Trazyn_Archives]

Your own devs if Obsidian's lead devs didnt pull that dumb shit they wouldve had an actually good game

[@shanenonwolfe4109]

The only changes I liked in Fallout 4 was how power armor worked, how regular armor worked with different pieces instead of one whole suit, the weapon customization and gunplay, sprint, and the map exploration. Nothing else was an improvement. The gunplay was good, but to good because its like you are out of the vault with 100 gun skill accuracy

[@chadp363]

Nate was former military, at least for him it made sense. But, we dont know Nora's back story, so, on that part it does not.

[@TKsMantis]

A lot of people disagree, but I also like the way the PA worked. Yes it was a retcon, but I enjoyed the gameplay changes with it.

[@regisphilbinsscrotum6631]

I just like the way they did the mechanics of it.they nailed that perfectly. In the early games it made you a beast until you fought with people who had it, and advanced weapons, which is how it should be.You also towered over fuckers :D They shouldn't have given you it so easily and early and it shouldn't have had those stupid fusion cores run out the way they did.They killed its protection and durability but they were definitely spot on with the mechanical aspects of it IMO.

[@tjhedgescout3052]

I wish you could use power armor with and without a frame, each with their own pros and cons

[@DJWeapon8]

If someone competent ever makes another Fallout game, they should retain F4's power armor mechanics. Just replace "fusion cores" with "military grade coolant" and make frames rarer. Good gunplay should also stay, but make players actually spend time and effort to spec into it instead of having really good aim, recoil control, and reload speed right off the bat. Easiest way to this is bringing back the Skills system and giving weapons skill requirements to use them proficiently once you reach it. However, you can still use the weapon even if you have a lower than required skill, its just that gunplay can range from: *Terribad [less than 25% met]* (no crosshairs, can't aim down sights, wide and frequent weapon sway, reloads very clumsily and very slowly, near uncontrollable recoil, unable to repair, unable to clear malfunctions) *Somewhat capable* [25%-50% met] (has wide crosshairs, can zoom in slightly, frequent weapon sway, reloads clumsily and slowly, high recoil, can repair up to 30% CND, clears malfunctions slowly) *Decent* [50%-75% met] (Slightly wider crosshairs, can aim down sights but has blurred peripherals, noticeable weapon sway, reloads slowly, slightly high recoil, can repair up to 70% CND, clears malfunctions somewhat slowly) all the way to what we have in F4's.

[@lyndseyclark9067]

Fallout 4 was my first Fallout game, which I loved at the time. This led me to buy a copy of Fallout 3. I had no idea Fallout: New Vegas was a thing until stumbling across it. New Vegas was the last of the new generation Fallout I’ve played, and I have to say it’s the best. The atmosphere of the game feels unique, the story is interesting, the DLCs are amazing, and I feel like it plays a lot more into the history of the Fallout universe. Plus, no matter what level I play at in New Vegas feels like a challenge. I loved the leveling system because you pretty much had to plan which skills and traits you wanted from the moment you started the game. And the choices make you feel conflicted. And... I’ll stop rambling. Bottom line, I could praise New Vegas to the moon and back. While Fallout 4 caught my attention, New Vegas captured my heart.

[@Fross-888]

Play the first Fallout. I liked it alot and was surprised how well it had aged!

[@kilokilo9034]

Lyndsey Clark I wish I never new what fallout was so it can feel brand new to me, but I always find something new during a play through

[@higgs_boson2231]

This is an almost exact summary on how I found Fallout. So glad I found New Vegas...

[@MackBanjo23]

@Fleer Ultra How do you get into the older ones? I've been trying to play them but I'm really bad.

[@WolfhoundMercenary]

@@MackBanjo23 Install the unofficial patches and restoration patch. Dont be afraid to consult walkthrough guides to see how many options you have to solve quests, or what character build is good for you. Dont be afraid to run away from tough fights or save scum, especially since its your first time. Dont skip dialogues. Its an old school RPG with no map markers, so you gotta pay attention. After you get a feel for the game, the wasteland is yours to explore. :)

[@TheMarallis03]

Funny thing is that building was from a mod in New vegas and they never give crédit to the guy

[@tsarnicholasii274]

And they ripped off Autumn Leaves in Far Harbour.

[@yungdanzo7981]

UnoReverseCard You know what bethesda copied off mine craft... /s

[@rodograbby6268]

Having building mechanics in a game is not a novel concept, you can’t rip it off. That’s like saying Fallout 3 ripped off Mario because you can jump. Bethesda is a shitty studio but this is such a reach it’s pathetic

[@Renovartio]

@@rodograbby6268 fuck off shill

[@Zen-sx5io]

@@Renovartio He is he/she being a shill?

[@snapslav]

"They're [Bethesda] possibly bitter that when given a tight deadline and minimal support, another developer [Obsidian] was able to create a better _Fallout_ game." Yep. That's putting it lightly!

[@David-ix1qi]

I disagree. It’s been stated many times by the devs over at obsidian that bethesda were nothing but accommodating. And that the bonus that would be given had they attained the required rating was offered by Bethesda and not asked for by obsidian. I also think fallout 3 is a better game. But that’s just my subjective opinion. However, definitely seems there was no bitterness.

[@snapslav]

@@David-ix1qi Riiight... the party that actively, calculatingly screwed over the owners/creators, as well as the 2nd party in its underhanded acquisition of the property, was "accomodating" the 2nd party in granting them an unreasonably short development time frame, an "accomodating" the 2nd party by not allowing them to continue to offer tech support for the game they developed, and cannibalized most of the 2nd party's ideas in their following development, and followed their prior track record of manipulating contract laws to screw over their competitors likewise adheres to the strictest interpretation of the "bonus" contract to deprive it. Definitely no bitterness or sabotage, there! Of course, you've basically admitted to your bias in favor of the objectively-inferior product's creator's side. So you seeing decency from them isn't unexpected.

[@David-ix1qi]

@@snapslav There’s no need for hostility, I’ve just given my opinion, I’ve no problem being corrected if there is ignorance in my opinion. But I do stand by what i said. I’ve read and heard very differently, that bethesda did offer there tech and were very accommodating said from “the horses mouth”, one of the devs over at obsidian. If you wish to instantly meet me with hostility, we’ll, that’s a slate on your personality, not mine. To say they are “objectively” a better company is, well....silly lol. Name me an obsidian game “objectively” better than Morriwind alone, never mind say Skyrim, oblivion and yes, in my 🚨OPINION🚨, fallout 3 too. Even with KOTOR and new Vegas, I’d pick bethesda games any day of the week, if I absolutely had too :P. Most certainly wouldn’t like too, as they too are awesome games. One last thing, they gotta draw the line somewhere man, if the agreement was 85 metacritic score, and they got an 84 (which from what I hear, new Vegas was a buggy mess at launch, and so maybe lucky to have gotten even that?) Than there really ain’t argument to be made there, unless you’d like to more specifically enlighten me on there manipulation of contract laws, I’d like to hear it :).

[@snapslav]

@@David-ix1qi There are so many problems with what you wrote, it beggars belief. So much passive aggressive, manipulative dishonesty. Stop lying. "No need for hostility. No need for hostility." Who's being hostile? You're using a framing tactic. That's lying. Stop lying. "The horse's mouth says they were very accommodating." Untrue, so I guess you're just lying (again). Stop lying. Contrary to what you asserted, the creators have been very frank that they are unhappy with Bethesda. They were "grateful" to be able to make a true sequel to FO2, but you've taken that gratitude out of context. Not to mention you seem blissfully ignorant of what NDAs are, and you've admitted that you know nothing of Bethesda's penchant for bleeding other companies into submission through spurious unethical lawsuits. "Name better games, but don't give the correct answer, cause I'm going to restrict what answers you can give." What nonsense is this? You can't even ask an open-ended question in good faith and with honesty and integrity? You have to twist the "allowable" answers and manipulate the conversation to suit you? Stop lying. I don't care that you stand by your previous statement. A closed mind staying true to itself is still a closed mind. I said from the start that you, having admitted your own bias in your *first* (pointless) response, cannot be fair or objective on this topic, so what's the point in debating with someone with their mind made up, so goes on to display dishonest and manipulative tactics to win? You're trying to project and claim that, because _you_ are biased and subjective, everybody _else_ must also be subjective, and there's no way to be objective, that it's all just opinions. No, that's not how this works. That's just your projection. Finally, on top of your dishonesty, your passive aggressive reframing sniping, your disingenuousness, you even admitted in this latest comment you have to go off of anecdotes of "from what I hear" because *you didn't even play the game yourself?* If you don't know about the games, why are you bothering with spreading your meaningless opinion on the topic? You offer nothing of value to this conversation. You are a waste of time.

[@David-ix1qi]

@@snapslav I got about half way, and skimmed the rest of it.You made so many claims about me as an individual that you plucked from your ass that you have indeed shown me, I’m wasting my time. You’ve written half a fucking essay on a topic so trivial, so meaningless that there is obviously a great deal of insecurity your dealing with. I haven’t the time to respond to ... that, even if I wanted to. Do yourself a favour, be a good boy and go touch a little grass. If your profile pics anything to go off, I suppose it isn’t all that surprising your so fucking bitter. Thing is, I’d have been absolutely open to changing my opinion, but anything you had to say was lost in all that animosity, for someone you have never met. I understand context goes out the window in text, but the fact you’ve somehow come to the conclusion that I’m your fucking enemy, is again, a projection of you and a slate on your personality, not mine.

[@Tervamursu]

"I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me." -Grampa Simpson

[@familyguygamer4203]

"well look at that, you're awake" "you were trying to cross the border too, you along with that horse thief"

[@malcolmholmes2300]

"Nah,i think i am here because i kept harrassing people who picked up one of those Blue star bottlecaps. By the way,i saw you pick one up yesterday and you gave no reaction to it so i guess you dont know what it is."

[@TKsMantis]

Every time!

[@malcolmholmes2300]

@Führer des Benutzers "Oh hello! Why are you here? Never seen you before,almost took you for a raider. Have you heard about the Myth of the Blue Star bottlecaps?"

[@Phantomzero8]

@Führer des Benutzers Let me guess… someone stole your sweetroll?

[@dankusmemeus7093]

It’s “you’re finally awake” you can tell you copied that other comment and haven’t played Skyrim

[@antonionewman4110]

If you love Fallout: New Vegas and want to see it brought to new life, follow our project, Fallout 4: New Vegas!

[@dooderbug2437]

Hell yeah

[@mftarik1255]

@The Jester - Fool Of Hearts well the original gamebryo engines even worse but to each their own

[@ItsOverFatKid]

Can u port it to xbox? Edit: Can u port it to xbox pretty pls?

[@badoem5353]

Link?

[@Roland_Duson]

@@ItsOverFatKid Exactly. Speak for yourself.

[@S33xyBUFLOWtime]

Fallout 3 was good but not great but it holds a place in my heart as a game that introduced me to the series. New Vegas though is my favorite game of all time. I got it for Christmas the year it released and I have been playing through it constantly ever since. I never get tired of the quests, great characters, and just recently I finally bought the DLC and the story in all of those was just as amazing as the base game. FNV isn't just the best fallout game but it has the best story of any game I've ever played.

[@TKsMantis]

High praise!

[@josephcalabrese6337]

Not to mention that the Dead Money DLC is the most scariest Fallout content.

[@rekashum7293]

@@josephcalabrese6337 The beeping collar is what fucking drives me crazy, everytime i hear beeping, my instincts is to get out the fuck out of there and try to find the radio thing.

[@drexgaming7194]

Tape Collier YES

[@ultra-papasmurf]

I half shit myself every time the collar beeps or during the battle of hoover dam when i forget that the boomers are my alies

[@1_Limbo]

0:55 turn on subtitles and see how the algorithm calls Bethesda we are right

[@arnoldvalerostv5550]

"while people were optimistic that *pathetic* to pull this off"

[@peepee6209]

The way you were able to just... create your own story. Your only objective at the start is to find who shot you. You get to pick what to do from there. There is so much you can discover and pick to do. You have no previous alliances or any connection to this world at the begging. But the amount you can connect to the world is amazing. Fallout new Vegas is my favorite game I’ve even played

[@Someone-wall]

ALL HAIL FNV, THE TRUE LORD OF MODERN FALLOUT!

[@yiyipthegruntmajor]

YES!

[@TKsMantis]

I like it quite a bit.

[@TheMagicalBIob]

@@TKsMantis did you beat Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel yet? How does it compare to NV? I think F:BOS is better Don't worry, I'm kidding

[@rndov34]

That's the understatement of the year, fnv will probably be the only great modern fallout. It is a solid 15/10 tho

[@StygianIkazuchi]

@@TKsMantis Fallout 4 New Vegas is gonna be great. the gunplay of Fallout 4 (the best part of FO4, honestly) with the setting and older RP mechanics of Fallout New Vegas. I prefer Fallout 3, but eh. New Vegas is good too. Only mentioned F4NV over TCWP because it's more relevant lol

[@fusionfury4437]

I've always had a rough start with the Fallout franchise...it's actually quite interesting. I originally learned of the game by playthroughs of Fallout 3, and I bought Fallout 3 first as I couldnt find New Vegas anywhere (for consoles) at the time. When playing Fallout 3, I eventually gave up on playing it (my shots not hitting without VATS pissed me off) and stuck to watching Fallout. Then I got a copy of New Vegas later down the road...and it didn't work, disc was either corrupted or I didn't actually have the first disc, only the second dlc disc. So I didn't get to play New Vegas until after I played Fallout 4 I think.

[@CallofDutyBlackOps28]

yeah, the sights of Fallout 3 wasn't the greatest part, but it made sense even if it's that classic "why do these games have to be so realistic with accuracy!?" type stuff, which i can agree to that, but what i mean is that our character has basic gun skills thanks to the BB-gun. that's it. I also understand fighting the super mutants in DC is a pain in the ass, is because, again, or character is not used to this stuff at all.

[@Mojavekight17]

I love old World Blues

[@TKsMantis]

One of the best!

[@nelsonsham2368]

gonna play that DLC next

[@guntherthepenguin3703]

Dead money is for me

[@phildicks4721]

Yup. It has that Campy 50's Mad Scientist Sci Fi movie with added lethality vibe.

[@redsoldier7220]

Potentially hot take, but Honest Hearts was actually pretty good. Deconstructing post apocalyptic tribal cultures, the fallen Legatus, and whether War lead to Peace

[@christopherkennedy8363]

I love how people love new Vegas so much that they’re rebuilding new Vegas in the fo4 engine. God I love the modding community!!!

[@kyleellis1825]

I wish they used that time making a mod for an area we haven't seen and show the modders have more creativity than Bethesda. Just remaking the best game with newer graphics isn't that special.

[@loafbunmerp8050]

@@kyleellis1825 what an insightful and interesting argument on a 2 year old comment.

[@kyleellis1825]

@@loafbunmerp8050 Considering the video is made about a game posted over a decade before it was posted... I think it's fine to respond to any comment no matter how old.

[@loafbunmerp8050]

@@kyleellis1825 just saying the guy probably doesn't care anymore

[@kyleellis1825]

@@loafbunmerp8050 If it's a Fallout fan, high odds they care enough about New Vegas to come yell at me. The NV stans are insane.

[@TheMaddestofLads]

When I was 13 my introduction to the Fallout series was Fallout 3 and I remember loving it. I was excited when New Vegas came out but my initial impression of Fallout 3 colored my experience and I remember putting the New Vegas down because of how non-linear it felt to me. As an adult, I appreciate New Vegas so much more and I have finished it 4 times. I question what my dumb baby brain was one about because New Vegas is better than fallout 3 in practically every way. apart from some gameplay upgrades, aspects of the settlement system and some neat graphics Fallout 4 felt like a step down to me. I only wish Fallout 4 had even a quarter of the effort New Vegas had in its story and world-building.

[@kenetickups6146]

Didn't even need that if they had only put in the effort they did with 3 it eould've been acceptable

[@HolyknightVader999]

Here's the thing, though: New Vegas didn't just improve on the formula for Fallout 3. It improved the formula for Fallout AS A WHOLE. The flaws of Fallout 3, like there being no joinable Enclave or cliche evil Super Mutants and railroading you to work with the Brotherhood? They were present in 1 and 2. Fallout 3 did nothing to alter the formula from the previous games, mostly because Bethesda was new to the franchise and was scared that if they changed anything, the fans would riot. They allowed Obsidian to make new changes in New Vegas because Fallout 3 was a wide success and people wanted something different in return. But it is annoying to me how people keep praising Fallout 1 and 2 while shitting on 3, whereas things like the Brotherhood railroading, always-evil Enclave, and chaotic evil super mutants were already there before 3. If anything, Fallout 3 at least offered you choices on how you dealt with the BoS and the Enclave. Heck, I RP'd my Lone Wanderer as someone who took Eden's message to heart even though she disagreed with his genocidal aims, so she eradicated the BoS while activating the purifier as intended. Then she helped groups like the people of Tenpenny Towers, Rivet City, Reily's Rangers, among others, to gain power over the wastelands, while she eradicated Super Mutants, Autumn's Enclave traitors, and Brotherhood remnants while wearing Enclave Power armor. That way, the Capital Wasteland becomes truly free, with no BoS bossing them around, which would allow society to develop faster using the remnants of Enclave tech. That's impossible in Fallout 2, where despite infiltrating the Enclave successfully, there's no option for you to help them win or take them over, like how KOTOR gave you the option to work with/infiltrate the Sith and become their ruler.

[@TKsMantis]

There is no choice in Fallout 3 about how you deal with the BoS or Enclave. It is the same everytime.

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@TKsMantis Really? Tell that to my LW who wiped out the former and spared Eden. You don't have that choice in Fallouts 1 or 2. Saying that there's no choice is patently false.

[@TKsMantis]

@@HolyknightVader999 Dude, both things have the same ending and reaction.

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@TKsMantis Not when the BoS soldiers all across the Wasteland start firing at me on sight after I turned their Citadel into a mass graveyard. ;P

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@TKsMantis Also, it was horribly stupid that in Fallout 2, you can infiltrate the Enclave, down to the point where the President thinks you're one of his "gallant troopers," yet there's no option to help them win, join them, or even take them over. At least Fallout 76, for all its ills, allowed you to join the Enclave. In Fallout 2, you essentially infiltrate the Enclave and could pass for an Enclave trooper, yet you couldn't join them or take them over. Which is stupid. At least in Fallout 3, the leader of the Enclave military knows your face and hates your guts, which is a good-enough excuse as to why you couldn't join them. KOTOR 1 showed us how a player could join the Sith Academy and even gain the loyalty of the Sith there, or even take over the Sith Empire. Why couldn't you do that in Fallout 2?

[@ilovecody7514]

Besthesda owes New Vegas a lot.

[@TKsMantis]

Yes.

[@Xeno_Solarus]

True Alternatively, it could be said Bethesda owes Obsidian a lot, monetarily too, in my opinion.

[@TKsMantis]

@@Xeno_Solarus Yes.

[@kirkfogg8366]

Obsidian you mean.

[@mikeyb7079]

They dont owe it shit. It was a bad and unpopular game...

[@thomasrial4444]

I just wish the main story wasn’t so forced down your throat in most of the fallout games. FNV on the other hand, the story is one of your four decisions of how you are looking at “fixing” the situation. My favorite ending is an independent new Vegas with a strong and independent Freeside. I still can’t fully decide if NCR should be allowed to stay or be kicked out because I see the Benefit of both situations and I also see the problems. Because of every large political decision having a gray attitude the replay-ability is insane. Cyberpunk I think is going to be the first game to me that can stand up against FNV (edit) This last sentence did not hold up to time

[@drexgaming7194]

Thomas Rial that's what ive been thinking and hoping too. its irritating that they keep pushing the game back but bit play be worth it in the end.I have over 1500 hours in new Vegas and I still havent found a RPG that's as good FNV

[@jojomojofofo]

Well that last part aged poorly, huh?

[@thomasrial4444]

@@jojomojofofo so true. Story was ok for me to play once and try again later I bet there’s a lot of comments like this

[@dillonblair6491]

@@thomasrial4444 Fallout New Vegas wasn't very good tbh and I think its a case of rose tinted nostalgia glasses.

[@thomasrial4444]

@@dillonblair6491 - maybe for you. I’ve played the game over 3,000 hours unmodded, and owned the game on ps3, ps4, computer, Xbox 360, and now digitally on Xbox one/Xbox series X. It’s my favorite game of all time and I go back to it occasionally still

[@korhol2065]

It’s still funny to me how Bethesda never manage to get a meta critic score of at least 85 after they required obsidian to do it themselves

[@MalaLlama]

Fallout 4 was my first Fallout game. And as a single father I actually got invested on the story. But after watching your videos on the Fallout series I think I've been missing on alot. Amazing work!

[@HK_541]

remember when fallout used to be a true RPG?

[@TKsMantis]

Yes.

[@romans4143]

"remember when..." I do. We're talking about Fallout 1 and 2 here. The rest are shooters with some RPG mechanics, New Vegas being the closest to RPG genre. Actually, in my (unpopular) opinion, everything else that was done (namely, by bethesda) isn't even Fallout in the first place. Bethesda simply doesn't understand Fallout as a whole. F3 may or may not've been a good game, but it would've been better off with a different name and a fresh lore start. Of course, this way the game wouldn't receive such hype though. F3 owes F2 and 1 even more than F4 owes New Vegas. And don't get me started on later installments, with poorest 4button dialogue wheel in F4 and... ugh, i don't even want to mention F76 here, for very obvious reasons. Edit: didn't mention Fallout tactics, the game that is often overlooked. Well... it's better than F76 at least. Lacking in RPG, but had a good turn-based tactical combat, when F76 has neither.

[@guybrian4899]

@@romans4143 I agree, but I think F:NV qualifies as an RPG if only for the fact that many options are locked behind skill checks. I think it would be even more so if there were a mod that made the gun mechanics more similar to Deus Ex, where your guns will ALWAYS do the same amount of damage, but the size and accuracy of the crosshair is dependent on your skill.

[@caiorodriguesmonteiro4768]

@@guybrian4899 yeah I think that this type of system would be better but I think it would be better if the damage dependent on the caliber because doesn't make sense if a .45 does the same damage as a 556 or a .50 BMG

[@kenetickups6146]

yep

[@WarNvrChanges]

I’ve said this same thing in the past. Fallout 4 owes its hype to New Vegas which in turn generated record breaking sales for Fallout 4. I just hope Bethesda realizes this. Fallout 5 won’t have the luxury of spring boarding off the success of the previous game. In Fallout 5s case it will come after the disastrous Fallout 76. That’s not exactly a good way to hype your game up. Most Fallout fans hate 76. Who knows when we will get another Single player Fallout game though. It could be another decade. Being a Fallout fan these days is pretty rough. All we can do is reminisce about the older games while watching Bethesda pour more gasoline on the 76 dumpster fire.

[@TKsMantis]

Yeah, if Bethesda decides to make another Fallout game it will certainly be met with some skepticism.

[@TheCabalOnMars]

If Bethesda makes another game in general they will be met with skepticism of a heavy scale. We all have been looking at 76, as it is such a large dumpster fire, and forgot exactly what came before. I haven't heard anyone bring up that ravenous ES Mobile game as of recent, to the point where I have no clue what happened to it. I believe that this, and the degradation beyond Fallout 4 shows exactly how their next game will turn out.

[@White_Tiger93]

man, remembering that moment of disappointing hype train like crazy train all abroad expecting FO4 gonna be the best Fallout experience will all the improvement and mechanic from F: NV... it hurt man, it does hurt. thing is, the old bethesda is long gone from this world. seeing how corporate bullshit behind them, zenimax and bethesda softworks only care for business profited gained from new consumer, new audiences and not the OLD FANS who actually love and supporting since elder scrools Arena and Daggerfall.

[@lelouche25]

Mods my dude, Fallout 4 in New Vegas, Fallout Miami, The well done New California. And my personal favorite I'm waiting for, Fallout The Frontier. The fans are still keeping what we love alive.

[@WarNvrChanges]

Yuki Terumi Yeah unfortunately I’m an Xbox owner. Looks like I’m gonna have to buy me a good gaming PC.

[@ilovecody7514]

Really impressed with how your videos are improving. This has to be one of my favs writing and editing wise in its subtlety. You really hit your points and kept it moving.

[@TKsMantis]

Dude thanks so much. That feedback means a lot!

[@ilovecody7514]

@@TKsMantis No problem, I love seeing you grow!!!

[@benlonghurst7777]

The thing I hate about Fallout 4 is that you never really feel in control, you're supposed to be the General of the Minutemen but there are very few moments you have control over things. However, I feel like Far Harbor changed things, people rely on you and there's so many endings to choose from, if the next fallout game is like that I'll certainly be happy.

[@demoncore4467]

“You can go home now courier 6”

[@StriderDaddy]

New vegas showed the incompetence of Bethesda... And left them with egg on their face. I wish obsidian had the ip hands down.

[@dooderbug2437]

What BITCHthesda should do is sell obsidian the ip and use that to make some new elder scrolls [among other things]

[@bona6000]

@@dooderbug2437 I dont think Chris Avellone doesnt work at obsidian anymore, he worked there for new vegas but u think left, so an obsidian fallout would be different from 2010

[@dooderbug2437]

@@bona6000 still.

[@monkeman5895]

NebulaZer0 Well you only really need Sawyer for making a good story but Obsidian should really just ask the help of another company to improve gameplay

[@unpleasanttruth238]

Obsidian isn't what they used to be. The vast majority of the people who made New Vegas are gone now.

[@Creetosis]

Good stuff, dude! I was hoping Bethesda would learn some lessons from NV before release, too, but I wasn't holding my breath. I'm probably going to sound like a bit of an asshole here, but it's disappointing to see how well Fallout 4 has done considering how shallow it was and how many issues it had. The fact they're handling 76 the way they are just shows no intention of changing or improving. It's sad.

[@TKsMantis]

Truly sad. Thanks for watching man!

[@fabiomoreira1506]

Fallout 3 solid post-apocalyptic but fails at simple logic (where does all the food come from). Fallout new vegas (weapons, DLC, story,Rpg) Fallout 4 (lack of unarmed, lack of factions, predictable plot, can't make diferent options to find the institute, lack of factions, lack of RPG).

[@TKsMantis]

I think Fallout 3 borrowed elements from the first two games FAR too much. I would have loved to see some original lore on the East Coast.

[@tsarnicholasii274]

@@TKsMantis Yeah, 3 felt like a copy which missed the point. NV's built on the originals and referenced them in ways that made sense. The enclave being old, withering remnants instead of coming back.

[@clown2424]

Adam Jones The enclave didn’t really come back in fallout 3

[@tsarnicholasii274]

@@clown2424 Yes they did, they came as a large force.

[@nelsonsham2368]

@@clown2424 They have a huge ass base and Zax replacement inside that place, also they are pretty stupid

[@justinorel6592]

Dude back in the day I heard "Oblivion with guns" and that's all I needed.

[@oniemployee3437]

I have to admit, I like Fallout 4. The story might not be remotely interesting but I'm not playing the game to save "my son", I'm here to whack Raiders over the head with an enormous Sledge Hammer while relishing the WAAAY better animations.

[@KlemenAEQ]

Honestly, I love FNV for the story, quests and characters, and I try to mod the gameplay with as much mods as the game can take. I managed to make the gameplay way better than the og fallout (Solid Project is best), but I just love F4 for the gameplay. The writing is horrendous and the factions feel kinda shit, so I decided to get a bunch of Enclave mods (main one being America rising) and an Alternate start mod so that I'm RPing as an Enclave remnant trying to rebuild the good ol US of A. I find it really enjoyable, way more than the base game. Thank God for mods.

[@prime_optimus]

Wait that's illegal.

[@rickmarinara5179]

Fallout 4: Gameplay, animations, no stat required like luck, and no dominating strat Bad story, only good faction is brotherhood, power armor is way to easy to get, and the best characters are Nicky and Hancock Fallout NV: FUCKING fantastic story, gambling is fun, interesting factions, and easy Pete best waifu Horrendous bugs that are easy to recreate, bad animations, dominating strat is always high luck, laser weapons are mediocre at best, and FUCK THE NCR

[@El_Descarriado]

People who like NV better tend to be more interested in story, consistent world building, unique and interesting themes and varied gameplay. Whereas those who like F3 better ARE WRONG.

[@TKsMantis]

Large if verified.

[@unknownanonymous2651]

I like Fallout 3 when I want an urban environments that's just.... Like truly dead. It really sets the tone of everything is fucked the most of the 3d fallot games. It also has insanely great urban gloom and sensations of desolation that New Vegas doesn't. New Vegas is better with story and themes and I admit gameplay. But exploration, isolation, atmosphere the sense of loss and true meaning of the fallout of the apocalypse, Fallout 3 wins in leaps and bounds. Fallout 3 is like the abstract end whereas fallout 4 is the right action end, where New Vegas is the left of the middle. Fallout 3 let's you FEEL more like the sole living sane man traveling a wasted land. Fallout does have less going for it, but what little it does, it does better than the rest of the series. A true sense of horror, unlike the rest.

[@senseisoup2655]

Fallout 3 was my first fallout playthrough, then I played fallout 4, then i played new vegas... oops. I know the story line and everything now but I only really started to love fallout when I started playing fallout 4 because the option of mods, fo3=better exploration, fo new vegas=better story, gameplay,and the best companion ever...(ED-E) fo4=better graphics and uno reverse card on 3s story.

[@StygianIkazuchi]

I like the setting of 3 more than I like the setting of NV. However, NV has the better engine of the two. Good thing I don't have to choose with Tale of Two Wastelands!

[@El_Descarriado]

You've all bought up some really interesting points for discussion and debate, but unfortunately you're all incorrect. The End, goodbye.

[@vampire_juicebox]

A few months ago, back when Outer Worlds was just about to be released, I was talking to a friend about it, and described Fallout: New Vegas as "perfectly flawed" and honestly, I feel like that really is the perfect way to describe it. Yes, it was rushed, and thus was buggy and reused assets and some of the story doesn't add up, but it really added so much to the series, and those minor imperfections added a lot to the charm and appeal to it. To this day, FNV is my favorite RPG and one of my favorite games in general.

[@Xeno_Solarus]

Favorite RPG? I mean, you do you, I guess.

[@jagar5580]

@@Xeno_Solarus whats your favorite rpg

[@lukescrew1981]

@@Xeno_Solarus What's yours then?

[@tylerhill40]

Bethesda threw the Fallout brand under the bus out of a pathetic attempt to make a recurrent revenue stream game , aka live service. They should sell the Fallout IP to another company.

[@farelrajwa1300]

Fallout 3 be like Oh hey my father is gone time to look for him Omg why is the waste land so scary my dad must be so good at fighting Oh hello dad there you are and you only bring a pistol across the waste land Hey why you die I just met you OK I guess I better fix this thing OK I fixed it after long adventure Goodbye everyone I saved the waste land somehow

[@Javaboymk03]

That point about memorable characters is very true NV: Boone, The King, House, Benny, Vulpes, Easy Pete, Doc Mitchell, That bartender lady in Goodsprings and all of them are unique in their own way 3: Dad, Moira, President Eden. I remembered them because they're part of a quest

[@erdervv]

"The best fallout is indeed the best fallout" I liked this video about the best fallout, it was nice.

[@SamCrecco1]

Okayay I'm not going to lie, when I first saw this title I thought it said "Fallout 4 *Owns* New Vegas" and my blind ass was going to get very mad.

[@jules4209]

It.. It just works

[@TKsMantis]

Everytime.

[@brycevo]

I like Fallout 4's gunplay, and customization. But New Vegas started that trend, and did some things so much better. The RPG elements, VATS, Perks, Leveling, Karma, story. We hoped for more improvements, not regressions.

[@cobaltprime9467]

I started with 4 it was my entry point. New Vegas is the perfect Fallout game at least from a RP perspective. It’s perfectly open ended for your choices. The Courier is the only protagonist that doesn’t have an story that you‘re supposed to follow. The Lone Wanderer has to be fulfill what James started. The Sole Survivor has Shawn and the Institute. Even the Vault Dweller has to protect the Vault. The Courier is the only character that has the freedom to choose who they side with, even if they want more than to complete their job, or even if they want to finish it anyway. They have total control of their actions.

[@kyleellis1825]

The NV story is find out who shot you in the head and why. What you do with that knowledge is up to you.

[@Rexdaninja]

Oh lookie what the youtube algorithm dragged across the breadth of the Mojave to my doorstep. A good channel? It’s been so long

[@HelheimMudkip]

Oblivion and New Vegas are my favorites from each franchise. Happy 10 yr anniversary Fallout New Vegas!!!

[@docwhiskey996]

Guns. A big part of the immersion and lore. Wiped away in fallout 4. NV had alot of neat historical guns. 3 had believable guns. 4 had garbage weapons. Tip of the iceberg

[@tsarnicholasii274]

@Zach cash The pipe weapons should've been made properly though. It's a cool concept but they just don't make sense in game

[@ProfVaharrak]

Love how auto captions replace Bethesda with "pathetic" at 0:54. Even the algorithms know. And yes, Fallout 3 is Oblivion with guns as much as Fallout 4 is Skyrim with guns. Something they even tried to pull when Fallout 76 came out. When the first trailers were shown I could see re-skins of dragons, trolls, and other Skyrim mobs reused as assets for the game. I laughed out loud, thinking, "who in their right mind will fall for this sham?", welp, almost 2 years later it's very clear. Maybe I just have a good memory, maybe after 30 years of gaming I have learned to see the devil in the details, but whoever vehemently denies this and defends Bethesda for their actions with the Fallout IP needs an urgent reality check. So sad that fandoms have become the toxic cesspools they are today and not a forum open to discussion on how to improve the things we all enjoy and love. FO4 and FO76 are lazy and full of missteps (with a few excellent ideas sprinkled here and there, mind you, ultimately marred by an absolutely anal implementation). I just hope they don't cling to squeezing the last drop of life out of Fallout with 76, although at this point, with Fallout1st and the coming Season/Battle Pass or whatever, that hope is long dead.

[@riotrecker8978]

A cool way to do the fallout series (which won’t happen because of just Bethesda) is if they did a main fallout game in the series and obsidian came in and did a sort of fallout new Vegas type game to go in after using the same engines and assets to quicken production like how new vegas was

[@LtViper]

As much as i love playing F4 with alot of mods, new vegas will always be a very fun fallout game.

[@sovietmaori]

i liked how diverse the armour equipment system was in fo4

[@TKsMantis]

Yeah. I like being able to layer armors with clothes. With mods, it gets even better tbh. That is something I hope to see moving forward in on similar games.

[@tsarnicholasii274]

Disagree, it was cool but unfortunately the uniqueness seems to suffer. It's the same with the weapons system

[@faffingabout6905]

It's practically just the morrowind armour system

[@kirkfogg8366]

It was Morrowind like. I would of loved it more if they made the game better.

[@tsarnicholasii274]

@Zach cash How did the left handed hunting rifle make you feel?

[@Snako]

Fan: Hey todd why can't i choose to side with the raiders in conco- Howard : IT JUST WORKS Fan : Why can't i just deny the vault guy at the start of the gam- Howard : IT JUST WORKS I AM NOT KIDDING

[@chipputer]

You're really upset over a lack of a pointless, "immediate game over," choice? Shut up.

[@Snako]

@@chipputer partner it's just a joke, if you want to get all serious then sure go on and be rude to me and frankly i won't give a rats ass of what you think because i by no means did try to offend anyone by this comment so lol

[@lukescrew1981]

@@chipputer What's the problem with that?

[@CamMartians]

First time i tried fallout was with 4. And i dropped it after 5 or 10 hours. It just didn't do it for me. Then i picked up new vegas. And over the last month or so it has become one of my favorite games. I still haven't beaten the main story once because there's so much OTHER cool shit to do. This game makes me feel like James Woods. Everywhere i go it's "ooh, piece of candy!" and next thing i know I'm getting a robot dog a new brain. I've literally restarted the game 3 times because there are so many alternate paths you can take and I just couldn't help seeing if these alternate paths were better. New Vegas is blowing my mind and I haven't seen 75% of it yet.

[@michaelprice5187]

The karma and faction system i loved that shit, walking the tight rope between two factions playing both sides and seeing how people perceive you

[@ThatKiwiDudeTV]

I was sold fallout 3 by the guy at the game store he literally called it oblivion with guns 😂

[@virginiasaintj]

Can't believe it'll be 10 years this year since it's release. Truly an amazing game.

[@kermitscreaminglikehestepo8137]

Hey Mantis, I just wanted to say that i really like your fallout videos, they're entertaining and well thought out. I hope you get even more subscribers because you deserve it :).

[@TKsMantis]

Thanks a lot my dude for your kind words!

[@kermitscreaminglikehestepo8137]

@@TKsMantis your welcome you're a good guy

[@kaidiirty6100]

Came into the franchise with NV, played 4 and 76, playing 1 and 2 rn. Gotta say, NV still hold a special place in my heart

[@DILLIGER90]

I don t know why but I still remember clear as day, back before 4 was out everyone was like the best fallout is 3. I think that just added insult to injury for NV and just how great it could have been (like it could have gotten an 85 on metacritic for example). Christ the amount of arguments I had gotten into on youtube comment sections about this topic. I also rememer specificly a most arguments against NV being better than 3 were ridiculously dumb like "you just can 't play 3 cause it doesn t have proper ads and you re a shitty cod gamer" or whatever

[@lotusauer4785]

Good almost morning mantis, hope you get some good sleep

[@TKsMantis]

I actually did sleep tonight and stress levels have been falling. Getting back to normal now.

[@MontyPython12]

I've got at least 1000hrs in NV, still keep finding things in game!

[@alexanderulv3886]

MontyPython12 on my first playthrough, always was a MacBook user, never wanted ps3 graphics. Finally my 2017 MBP Can play the game in 4K all maxed. This game is low-key beautiful vanilla.

[@ImMagnetz]

"I wanna give a special thanks to my biggest supporters; Kim Jong Un...". Uhh...

[@theboneman5413]

The part where he says that the Bethesda team were hostile to the new Vegas team for not reaching the 85 score is completely false, It has been stated by the n.v devs that they were offered the bonus by Todd because they were only 1 point off, they refused it.

[@josephmwills]

it's absurd to say Bethesda was hostile towards obsidian bc they didn't give the bonus for a one point difference. It was literally in the contract. That's not how businesses work.

[@whiskeyandagyro3135]

New vegas needs to be remastered.

[@TheCrackbinge]

Use the mods mate. They are the remaster and you don’t need to pay a penny.

[@guybrian4899]

@@TheCrackbinge No don't you understand, he's the kind of CONSOOOOOMER that would gladly buy the same game 5 different times if it was well packaged enough, remastered and came with a funko pop.

[@bobskywalker2707]

No it doesn’t. The game is perfect the way it is.

[@fmj9237]

DNEmpires Main Channel 64 bit would be nice

[@guybrian4899]

@@fmj9237 Alright, I will admit a 64 bit executable would be nice, but that should come in the form of an update, not a remaster. At this point, I wouldn't put it past hardcore fans to reverse engineer NV's engine like they did with Morrowind.

[@gamingguru2k6]

This video just works. All of it just works.

[@TKsMantis]

Imma need 16x the videos. 4x times longer.

[@postindustrial76]

I Was Quite Surprised When I Saw Them Collab With Conan Must Have Been A Pretty Penny

[@averyplaysguitar]

My first Fallout game was New Vegas, and I have never had that same amazing experience in another fallout game since, but the original games are definitely great too (although it is hard to compare them with the new titles as they are completely different games in many ways). New Vegas is still my favourite game, and I want Bethesda to give Obsidian another chance to make a Fallout game, this time with more, well, time. (Also Bethesda really needs a new engine because they’ve been using the same engine since 1997 and it really shows)

[@TheinvisibleTV19]

Y´know, I´ve heard an interview with one of the new vegas creators (I think it was josh or chris; dont remember) which he stated that he wasnt complaining with the time they got to make the game; the only thing that they complain was the engine and the tools they got because they were not familiar with those things so they got their own revenge with the DLC´s were they actually knew what to do with those DLC´s and they add some of the things that they cut from the main game to put in the DLC´s. Other than that, they seem to feel really good about what they have accomplish.

[@stonedstrykerman785]

if you ever come across the video/article I would love to see it, but if it's lost to you no worries

[@gracecookie4604]

First fallout I've ever played was new Vegas fell in love with the wasteland immediately bought 3 and 4 they were less impressive but I still play them. Pre ordered 76 was there the first day after having to download the dang thing twice. had to make myself play for a month haven't played since was just awful never been so bored started a new play though on new Vegas just to cheer myself up

[@jakefromstatefarm13]

Grace Cookie play to the first 2. That’ll definitely cure your itch. If your willing to give them a chance

[@gracecookie4604]

@@jakefromstatefarm13 I tried but I cant get them to work on my computer sadness

[@jakefromstatefarm13]

Grace Cookie I had the same problem. I think you have to download windows 64 if you have windows 10 and play it the old version

[@orionmoreno6913]

The main problem with fallout 4 is the lack of enclave authority

[@edwardcaesarsallow770]

It is sad there should be more enclave in Fallout!

[@TKsMantis]

Agreed.

[@death2sion333]

And you have to use a mod to join the enclave

[@FOA89019]

profligates

[@edwardcaesarsallow770]

@@FOA89019 No you

[@sittingpompano7563]

Fallout 3 has the most realistic story except I never found my Dad.

[@yummines]

The funny thing about people saying Fallout 3 was going to be Oblivion with guns is that Fallout 4 ended up being Skyrim with guns. I mean think about it. The skill systems were thrown out and replaced with perks. They made it so points of interest would be highlighted on your radar. The combat was significantly improved at the cost of the story (while Oblivion didn't have an amazing story some sidequests and notably Shivering Isles were great). They even added in a sprint button.

[@thesweetone]

I got into fallout having seen some videos of 1 and 2. NV was already out and people were looking to 4. I had no friends interested in any fallout games so I got to experience it without any real bias. I got my hands on 3 and NV at the same time and played 3. I beat it several times and then went to 1 and 2 before NV. Ultimately bear then all several times including 4 and 76. I've never been one to say "that game doesn't belong, or it ruined such and such." Each entry has something for me, like films in a series such as Terminator or predator or even alien I get enjoyment out of all of them, same for the fallout games. All sequel or subsequent games (films) do owe to the ones that came before it as without #1, #2 couldn't exist. I do enjoy the fallout community as some of the best people I've never met are there. I do hope the next entry of fallout takes the best ideas from the series and makes an amazing AAA game.

[@FryingPan1812]

Honestly can not designate one Fallout game as my most favorite of the franchise, that is how great they are. Well, except for 76. That is just the most miserable game in the existence of gaming.

[@TKsMantis]

I can understand these feelings.

[@macaronibingbamboni5975]

Why does it feel like I've watched this exact same video already like a hundred times? There is nothing particularly insightful about any of this.

[@MrDementedgoose]

I can objectively see how New Vegas has a better and more "Fallout" story. But something about the simplicity of Fallout 3's main questline just makes me feel good. Nothing too complicated and easy to remember where you are when coming back to it after side questing for ages.

[@drexgaming7194]

FNV has a special place in my heart its one of the few games that ive done damn near everything and didnt look up guides

[@willhoss7396]

My experience with the fallout series started a year before the trailer for fallout 4 came out, I was at a friends house and he had just gotten his ps4 up in his living room but for some reason we where in the basement when I saw the box for fallout 3 sitting on his old ps3 and I though the cover art looked cool. Then when fallout 4 came out I got it at Christmas and put what is now 5 days of gameplay into one character. After about a year of playing fallout 4 I bought fallout new Vegas off the $10 rack at Walmart and I’ve been in love with the series ever since.